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Asgardian
2 Dec 2001, 18:55
About time I got around to the best list in the league, :-)


PORT ADELAIDE

1. Ackland, Cain :- I like the idea of developing Cain as a key
forward, the game against the Eagles he looked
real good on the lead taking marks, as his body
matures he will better hold his pack position,
once this happens he will be regarded as a true
forward, 2002 will see his continued development

2. Bassett, Scott :- 2002 will be Scott's breakthrough year, Meady's
slowing down, and Paco's knee provide all the
opportunity that Scott has been looking for, he
will become a premier defender in the league

3. Bishop, Matthew :- Unfortunately for Matthew he doesn't quite have
the tools to become a consistent first 18 player,
he will be handy reserve type for us, to fill a
defensive hole when needed

4. Brogan, Dean :- The ruck diamonds just keep on showing up, raw, but
has aggression and not just a little skill. Not a
first pick ruckman, but still a valuable reserve

5. Brooks, Barry :- Welcome aboard BBBBB (Big Bad Bustling Barry
Brooks), you have got some of the better people
around you from whom you can learn valuable
lessons. A 198cm marking machine as a key forward
has some appeal to me.

6. Burgoyne, Peter :- If Peter ever figures out for himself that being
lazy is not the way to best utilise his silky
skills, he may end up being the dangerous small
forward/midfielder he promises to be. Someone
please give him a tape of Robert Harvey, showing
him the benefits of hard work

7. Burgoyne, Shane :- This is all education and character building for
Shane, he had the horrors with injury in 2001,
now has to re-build, prove his worth all over
again, if he has the intestinal fortitude for
that he will become another assest

8. Carr, Josh :- You just have to love this guy, built like a midget,
has all the fight of a Mike Tyson in him. Part of the
engine room, he collects scalps when shadowing like
the rest of us try to collect money. His goalkicking
is vastly under-rated

9. Cassisi, Domenic :- He will be involved in the battle to win a wing
following Flash's defection, looks to have the
tools and attitude, we definately make his debut
in season 2002, the rest is up to him

10. Cockatoo-Collins, Che :- Talk about a guy who had to re-invent
himself, lots of supporters, including me,
considered Che had done his dash, but 2001
proved what a rare talent he really is.
Another 40 odd goal tally will be just
what the doctor ordered

11. Cornes, Chad :- The role of third tall marking option up forward
suits Chad down to the ground, his marking and
distribution really came on strong in 2001. Goal
kicking does not seem to be a strength, but his
hard work makes up for that deficiency, plus we
now have greater options up forward

12. Cornes, Kane :- I haven't really settled in my mind where Kane's
best position is. So far they seem to be playing
him down back, but I have the nagging suspicion
that he could become one of the leagues premier
midfielders. He just looks to have that touch of
class and time that seperate the best from the
rest. Maybe not in 2002, but I do reckon he'll
get there

13. Dew, Stuart :- Stewy's talents are obvious for all to see,
unfortunately so are his liabilities. The
exponential increase in quality output he displayed
in 2001 though only whets the appetite for the
same to be delivered in 2002. If it comes to pass,
look out footy world, Stewy Dew will take it by
storm

14. Francou, Josh :- I am an unashamed Josh Francou fan, he is the
best in and under midfielder we have, no question.
His distribution skills however sometimes come
into question, in my opinion this aspect of his
game improved in 2001, he has grown into the role
of AFL footballer nicely, it suits him, Port
Adelaide suits him, and he suits Port Adelaide
very well

15. French, Barnaby :- That broken leg came at the wrong time for big
Barney, he had the perfect opportunity to cement
the number 2 rucking position for himself, now
have a look at his competition in the squad. He
a goer, never gives in, but doesn't quite have
the skill to make it as a key position player.
This fact will keep Barney as a darn good back
up player

16. Guerra, Brent :- Cut from the same diamond that gave us Josh Carr,
his hardness constantly surprises opponents, but
he is just not only a tough nut, he also has
exquisite skills. His versatility is a bonus for
us

17. Hall, Chris :- Supposed to be a little bundle of dynamite, I
haven't seen much of him yet, but if he is willing
to learn, he is at the right place, and at the
right time

18. Hardwick, Damien :- The best credentialled player acquired by any
club in the trading period, that speaks highly
of Damien considering the "name" players who
also swapped clubs via a trade. He is a
player's player, tough, hard, no nonsense, and
compliments our squad like a well worn glove

19. James, Roger :- Roger has worked incredibly hard to convert from a
good SANFL type to a fine AFL player. He has skills
the equal of anyone going around, and has the
ability to hide his deficiencies. One component of
one of the league's finest midfields

20. Kingsley, Adam :- A modern no fuss low maintainence player, does
his job, and does it bloody well. We have seen
his disposal skills improve every year he has
been with us

21. Koulouriotis, Paul :- There is no tomorrow for Koula, he must
produce in 2002 or he will fade away. AFL is
not kids footy, where natural ability will
make it all seem so easy for you, in the big
league you must combine that flair and
ability with damn hard work

22. Lade, Brendon :- A virtual new recruit, Ladey's just gotta get the
feel of it again, get his confidence back, and
have some ground time. When he does, a 199cm big
marking key forward has a certain appeal, and
frankly will scare the hell out of opposition
defences

23. Lockwood, Bowen :- Such a wasted talent, his back is a mess, but
does staying out all hours of the night at
clubs help the rehabilitation. On his final
chance, unfortunately I am not confident

24. Mead, Darren (v) :- Meady is all Port Adelaide, he loves the club,
and the club and its supporters love him. We
are seeing the wind down of his career now
though, a few times in 2001 he was left behind
by his opponent. This will happen more often
as time goes by, luckily we have the young
cattle who will cover his spot

25. Montgomery, Brett :- Talk about a guy who has made the most of his
abilities and opportunities. Now a valuable
link player, one who can cover down back, or
provide that little spark up forward, can't
figure out why the Doggies gave him up so
easily

26. Morgan, Adam :- There is no doubting Adam has the ability, does he
have the character and determination to make his
body right for the rigours of AFL footy? Only one
person can answer that, and that is Adam, he either
makes it in 2002 or he will be gone

27. Murray, Allan :- Like many other kids making the transition from
junior footy to the big league, Allan has found
the road a bit rocky so far. The knee injury did
not help either. He needs consistent time on the
ground producing quality output to take the next
step up to the AFL

28. Murray, Derek :- Derek has some admirable qualities, he tackles
like there is no tomorrow, he has pace, and he
can find the ball. He also has some problems, his
finishing is woeful, he is slow at decision making
and his disposal is sloppy. A fair challenge for
the coaching staff if they are to bring him up to
speed

29. Paxman, Stephen (v) :- Paco's knee injury just seemed to take the
wind from our sails in 2001, leaving us
becalmed as our adversaries went past. Our
depth quality will be tested in his absence,
however when he does return, we will have a
refreshed Paco eager to sample success

30. Poulton, Jared :- With Hardwick's recruitment Poults game time
looks to be limited, hence his initial delisting.
He has a warriors soul, tough and determined, but
he blazes away sometimes instead of creating
opportunities

31. Primus, Matthew (c) :- Captain Incredible, he is not quite like
any other ruckman I have seen play the game,
the closest I can come up with is Rick
Davies effort when he took us apart in the
1976 Grand Final. For such a huge man to
have the ground level impact he does is
frankly astounding. IMO the best captain
playing the game today

32. Schofield, Jarrad :- Schoey is not a hard in and under type, but
is an important part of the midfield rotation.
2001 was in some respects a breakthrough year
for Schoey, he went from being on the outer,
trade bait, to being a required player. One
of the better finishers in our team

33. Stevens, Michael :- I considered Michael lucky to survive the cut
this year, I also know that Macca is keen on
Michael's ability. He will need to make every
post a winner to survive past 2002, taking a
leaf from Poults book would do him no harm at
all, inheriting his hardness and determination

34. Stevens, Nick :- He's the Ferrari in the Port midfield, all class,
great skills, has time and vision to do real
damage to the opposition. Probably is the closest
Port has to a possible Brownlow medalist. Those
small lapses in discipline have also gone now

35. Thurstans, Toby :- Whenever I see Toby in the SANFL he looks a
player, and a pretty good one at that, guys his
size with skills just don't fall off trees,
although some may be thinking Port did find
just such a tree with our abundance of tall
riches. Along with Bassett I expect Toby to
step up to the league from the start of the
season

36. Tredrea, Warren :- All Australian CHF, has modelled his game on
Carey, has a huge physique, very strong body in
a contest and can take lots of contested marks.
There is no reason we cannot model our forward
structure around Tredders just like the Roos
did around Carey for all those years. Was also
great to see the kicking yips had pretty much
gone in 2001

37. Wakelin, Darryl :- Wakes had a great start to 2001, but form, and
ground time diminished as the season progressed.
Will be first choice full back with Paco side-
lined, he will again have the confidence of his
coach and team-mates, just has to hold onto
some of those big grabs

38. Wanganeen, Gavin :- Gav is one of the most complete of small
players I have ever seen, courage, skill, goal-
sense, speed, decision making and the freakish
ability to seemingly create time to let him do
his stuff with the footy. Now that his body is
sound anticipate another stellar season at any
position on the ground where the coach places
him

39. White, Damon :- Hard to comment as I know little about the lad,
except for the info in the AFL site Phantom Draft,
another tall and solid marking forward, who has
also played down back. Played in the WAFL this
season, so is obviously not over-awed by the
occasion. Sounds like a reasonable pick up

40. Wilson, Michael :- Wilbur would be absolutely itching to get out
there right now to play, but wiser heads must
prevail, after a knee reco, you have to let it
run its course. The worst thing would be Wilbur
rushing back and doing it again, we need his
spirit and endeavour for the long haul

Rookies

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4.

ARRIVALS: Trades – Damien Hardwick (Essendon); Rookie – Dean Brogan,
Chris Hall; National Draft – Barry Brooks (Tassie Mariners),
Jared Poulton (Port Adelaide), Damon White (Perth)

DEPARTURES: Retired – Shane Bond; Delisted – Fabian Francis,
Mark Harwood, Brayden Lyle, Jared Poulton, Nathan Steinberner,
FROM ROOKIE LIST: Steven Brosnan #, Ben Hollands #

Okay okay, I'm biased about Port, I have Port blood, mixed with
scotch, flowing through my veins, but strike me dead, and colour me
purple, if the avove list is not one of the best accumulations of
footballing talent assembled in modern AFL history.
Some of the names are not the best known, some of the new talent is
yet to be tested, but there is all the elements of size, skill and
speed throughout the squad.
Add to that the ever important ingredients of experience and major
round disappointment, combined with a coaching panel which has been
drawn from the best model available, it all totals to what I see as a
successful campaign in 2002.
Yes, I'm old school Port Adelaide, success means only one thing, a
PREMIERSHIP.

Grave Danger
2 Dec 2001, 21:59
Good summation Chris. We don't have that many superstars, but it's a very even squad with depth improving all the time. Some good players are going to miss out on a spot.

It may take a little while to readjust without Packo for much of the season and the departure of Flash. Even with the gain of Damien Hardwick, the defence is my only real concern.

Top four again should be the expectation. Brisbane and Essendon are bound to be there and Hawthorn will probably improve in 2002, but with Richmond who knows what you'll get? I can't see too many other teams challenging us for the top four though - given a reasonable run with injuries.

Porthos
2 Dec 2001, 23:42
I really don't like Wakelin's awareness and effort when he doesn't mark.....a pretty dangerous trait for a full-back. Bishop or Bassett's defensive instinct appeals to me more.....Wakelin strikes me as more CHB material.

Kane Cornes could be a midfielder, but he'll need to prove he's capable in defense first......a lot of great players start on the half-back flank.

Chad Cornes' had the same improvement in front of goal in the last 6 or so games this year, that the rest of Port had at the end of 2000. He should be able to carry it on.

Chris Hall has a Stuart Dew type long kick.....enough said there :)

I think you might be writing Roger James up a bit much...he still seems to go missing a fair amount in games.

Michael Stevens......I hope he can cement a place on the wing, because otherwise, Port have wasted a lot of effort and money (and a top 5 pick) over the past three years. Maybe this year he'll manage it.

Ackland and Brooks both excelled in speed over 20m at their respective draft camps.....definitely competing with each other for a spot there, I'd reckon. Not to mention Brendan Lade. I'm having trouble finding room for French in the 22 these days...

Macca19
3 Dec 2001, 09:39
Originally posted by Porthos
I really don't like Wakelin's awareness and effort when he doesn't mark.....a pretty dangerous trait for a full-back. Bishop or Bassett's defensive instinct appeals to me more.....Wakelin strikes me as more CHB material.

Chris Hall has a Stuart Dew type long kick.....enough said there :)

Michael Stevens......I hope he can cement a place on the wing, because otherwise, Port have wasted a lot of effort and money (and a top 5 pick) over the past three years. Maybe this year he'll manage it.

Ackland and Brooks both excelled in speed over 20m at their respective draft camps.....definitely competing with each other for a spot there, I'd reckon

1. Id like to see Bishop at full back. He is the quickest player in our side (amazing really), which means he can keep up with the leading forward...id lkike to see him there. Bassett in a pocket, or half back flank. Thurstans at CHB for mine.

2. Chris Hall is VERY beefy....hest got the same sorta body size of Dewy and can kick it almost the same distance as well (the new fabian francis maybe?)

3. Yes yes yes, i wanna see M Stevens given a big go this year. He made hte SANFL team of the year, the advertiser team of the year as well and had a damn good finals series. Maybe this year is Michaels year. Id like to see Dom given a go on the wing too.

4. I dont think we will see much of Brooksy next year...i think hes a 2003+ starter tho.

Macca19
3 Dec 2001, 10:02
Originally posted by Macca19


4. I dont think we will see much of Brooksy next year...i think hes a 2003+ starter tho.

having said that, i would love to see Damon White get a lot of game time at Full Forward this up coming season.

Porthos
3 Dec 2001, 10:12
Originally posted by Macca19


having said that, i would love to see Damon White get a lot of game time at Full Forward this up coming season.

If he's fit.....big blokes take longer to get to the fitness level required for AFL, unless you're a freak like Whitnall.

Porthos
3 Dec 2001, 11:41
I should also point out that if we need him to, Scott Bassett can play full-forward also.

TigerTank
3 Dec 2001, 12:33
A reasonably balanced squad that lacks the artillery to consistently beat top sides.

Backline is workmanlike - Paxman, Mead and the like are honest tryers, but are a little light on class compared to other rivals in the top echelon.

Forwardline is reasonably potent, but fickle. Tredrea and Cornes can sook if things don't go well for them.

Midfield is in the first division. Plenty of options and can also score heavily but the team is, if anything, far to dependent on midfield goals - not a reliable proposition.

Ruck division - as strong as any, but opposition teams will be more wary next year.

Overall, will have little problem making the eight and could make top four with luck.

But clearly lack length-of-the-field balance (see Brisbane or Essendon), and lack genuine quality in key position posts (see Hawthorn or Richmond). Could possibly knock off the latter two, but won't challenge Brisbane or Essendon for the Flag favouritism.

Porthos
3 Dec 2001, 13:19
I think the only top eight side we didn't beat this year was Carlton, and we only played them once.

Our backline.... (Wanganeen, Paxman, Wilson, Montgomery, Mead, Hardwick) is pretty tough not to consider a solid side, when the full depth of defenders on the list is seen.

I agree we're weak in depth up forward, and we do rely on midfielders goals a lot. But thats because we have a stronger than usual midfield.

Our rucks are the best in the league, when you look at both quality and depth....its pretty hard to argue against this. Being wary is nice, but we have body ruckmen, agile leaping ruckmen, back playing ruckmen, forward playing ruckmen, running ruckmen, hard ball ruckmen.....I'd challenge you to name a better set in the league today.

But I agree we wouldn't be flag favourites.

Asgardian
3 Dec 2001, 19:11
Many thanks for the feedback TigerTank, and some of the Port faithful.

Yes TT, you have a point, Port does not have the "name" superstar or two that our rival clubs have, we do have though a hard running, disciplined core, from deep in defence, to deep in attack. This along with a very good midfield did supply a number of scoring opportunities in 2001.

Scoring did not seem a problem until late in the season, this is something we have to work on. A couple of solutions will, I believe, come in the form of guys like Lade, a virtual new recruit, and Ackland, a year older and stronger. They are respectively 199cm and 196cm, targets of this size, if they are strong, can mark, and are halfway reasonable at ground level, are nightmares for a defence to match up on. Especially if that same defence has to mind guys like Tredrea 194cm, Cornes 191cm, and good marking small men like Wanganeen and Cockatoo Collins.

Anyway, that is just one of the scenarios I envisage for Port's forward line in 2002.

Your point, TT, about the Port defence is also valid, especially if Paxman's absence is extended. However, and this is the advantage I have with Port's list, and disadvantage I have with every other clubs list, local knowledge and faith can help you see through possible problems. There are a number of tall options who have been on the periphery of Ports team, Bishop, Morgan, Thurstans, Bassett and even French, these players give Port the players who can be deputized where and when required.

Additionally Hardwick has now been included in this Port squad, this is not just a small matter, the guy is still a force to be reckoned with, and Port Adelaide welcome him into the family.

Like I said, thanks for the feedback TigerTank

Porthos
3 Dec 2001, 20:06
The funny thing is that while our scoring decreased, our key forwards started getting more goals.

Tredders#16
4 Dec 2001, 13:21
Hey TT, why do u really need anything else, but a workmanlike backline? Why do u need class players in defence?
Tredders#16

TigerTank
4 Dec 2001, 13:47
Originally posted by Tredders#16
Hey TT, why do u really need anything else, but a workmanlike backline? Why do u need class players in defence?
Tredders#16

It works like this - if you can spoil the opposition forwards, that's all well and good - but if your guys can outmark them, that's obviously better.

It's better still if your tall guys outmark the opposition, and your pockets/flankers are good enough to run off their opponents and run the ball out of defence.

Look how many goals Essendon scores after losing the centre contest! The opposition kicks forward and Fletcher or Wellman marks - handpasses to Johnson (either), pass to Ramanauskas to Mercuri to Lloyd. Where did it start? The back line, that's where.

Think about how important Gaspar, Cameron, A. Kellaway and Chaffey are to Richmond's scoring - how Richmond finished third despite its ordinary midfield. Same with Hawthorn and Hay/Rawlings.

Port can only win if its midfield is on top - that happens a lot because they have such a strong midfield. But against other sides with top midfields they have fewer options.

But teams like Essendon can win even when they lose in the middle. And while Port are capable of beating sides like Essendon, they lack the cross-the-field depth to do so consistently.

Now combine Richmond's backs and forwards with Port's midfield - THAT would be a side!

Porthos
4 Dec 2001, 14:11
With the exception of Wakelin, our tall defenders don't mark a lot, but when the ball comes to ground after a spoil, Port are easily among the best in the league at getting it either clear from defence or out of play/into a ball-up. From there, our good midfield have another chance to win the ball. This is called playing to your strengths.

Whereas certain teams with marking defenders seem to be less likely to make the required second effort when the ball comes to ground. Our tall defenders are workmanlike...its hard to take a mark against Mead or Paxman, but our class defenders are our small defenders.

TigerTank
4 Dec 2001, 14:31
With respect Porthos, if your backline was so good you wouldn't have finished fifth - you would have won the damn thing.

Porthos
4 Dec 2001, 14:41
We did lose Paxman in Round 22, you know....and had already lost Wilson. If we'd lost Paxman two rounds earlier, I've no doubt we would've been ready for Brisbane.

Besides, the argument works both ways. If Richmond's attack and defense are so **** hot, why didn't you take it out?

TigerTank
4 Dec 2001, 14:45
Originally posted by Porthos

Besides, the argument works both ways. If Richmond's attack and defense are so **** hot, why didn't you take it out?

I've already explained that. Lack of grunt in the engine room.

These days a team with a weakness will probably not win the flag. Richmond needs to improve its midfield - Port its bookends.

Porthos
4 Dec 2001, 14:51
I guess we'll see.

TigerTank
4 Dec 2001, 14:56
Originally posted by Porthos
I guess we'll see.

We will indeed.

But if we had a $100,000 wager on 2002, you can have Port AND Richmond - I'd still settle for Brisbane and Essendon.

2003 though? Well, I might want to reverse that.

Macca19
4 Dec 2001, 18:40
Originally posted by TigerTank
With respect Porthos, if your backline was so good you wouldn't have finished fifth - you would have won the damn thing.

i swear you have a vendetta against Port.

We had the fourth best backline in the competition last year. fourth best . By that i mean we had the fourth least 'against' for the whole season. Quite good for a backline that aint much chop in your eyes. We were 12th in rebounds. Now with those statistics , what i can gain from it is we dont need a star defence as the footy hardly goes down there! Thats why we are only 12th in rebounds, but have the fourth best defence.

Porthos
4 Dec 2001, 18:50
Well, if you force the ball out of play, then win it from the contest, its not a rebound any more.

TigerTank
5 Dec 2001, 07:41
Originally posted by Macca19


I swear you have a vendetta against Port.


Of course I do.

I also have a vendetta against 14 other AFL clubs.

Macca19
5 Dec 2001, 09:31
Originally posted by TigerTank


Of course I do.

I also have a vendetta against 14 other AFL clubs.

haha.....tou che

Cyclops
6 Dec 2001, 08:20
Well your other posts were like vegemite toast-sharp, satisfying and to the point. This was more like fairy floss. Well I can't complain, you did issue a warning.

I reckon you have a couple of beasts (Primus and Tredrea) whose strength and character are unsurpassed in the league. The rest of the team is good to middling. What makes Port such a great club is the coach and club tradition. On raw talent, I rate Port 8-10 in the league.

Porthos
29 Jan 2002, 10:12
You know, we really do have a damn good squad. I've been thinking about this, and I'm having a lot more trouble finding weaknesses this year than any other year.....we've lost Wilson, but really, we're still looking good in defence. Our midfield is solid as ever, and if we get injuries, we now have highly-rated young blokes that can fill every position on the field (thanks to Port's drafting tall forwards this year).

We should have a pretty fun year this year, I reckon.

dreamkillers
29 Jan 2002, 18:01
with the bonus of being very flexible as well as well prepared for the future.......

our squad can only get stronger and stronger in years to come.......

one of our best appointments has to be Alan Stewart in the recruiting job.

Porthos
29 Jan 2002, 23:46
Originally posted by dreamkillers
one of our best appointments has to be Alan Stewart in the recruiting job.

Well, its not just him...

Rob Snowdon, football manager, used to be the Sydney recruiter during the period that they netted Nicks and O'Loughlin to name a couple.

Mark Williams worked as development/reserves coach at Essendon.

The entire Port Adelaide network which has kept us on top of the SANFL for so many years is backing up this trio.

dreamkillers
30 Jan 2002, 17:20
I agree with you on all points just really emphasising that it's Alan and his band of merry men spend their entire year keeping an eye on potential recruits throughout the country and would have the most input into our recruiting each year - with the final decision left to Mark after going through all the in-depth analysis's of each potential recruit.