View Full Version : Richard Douglas or Marc Murphy
Both have played one NAB cup game.
Both got around the same amount of disposals, with Douglas being more efficient.
Both are around the same height and the same type of player, reason why Murphy went higher was because he has a bigger body at this stage of their careers.
Obviously it is very early but I am very happy the AFC picked up Richard Douglas.
Who do you think is better :)?
The Old Dark Navy's
11 Mar 2006, 16:33
Both are around the same height and the same type of player, reason why Murphy went higher was because he has a bigger body at this stage of their careers.Yes, the only difference between them is Murphy's bigger body. Embarassingly, Carlton put a hundred potential draftees up on a wall and threw a dart and Murphy came up.:o
Both have played one NAB cup game.
Both got around the same amount of disposals, with Douglas being more efficient.
Both are around the same height and the same type of player, reason why Murphy went higher was because he has a bigger body at this stage of their careers.
Obviously it is very early but I am very happy the AFC picked up Richard Douglas.
Who do you think is better :)?
One was the best player in the draft. The other bloke was not even close.
Similar height is the only comparison.
http://media.paragraphpublishing.net/store/home/whisky/bottle/mtoo/115.jpg
http://www.fosters.com.au/enjoy/images/img_black_douglas.jpg
Tough choice!
I think it goes with out saying that I'd welcome both down at my pu...errr...club!!
Total Power
11 Mar 2006, 18:00
http://media.paragraphpublishing.net/store/home/whisky/bottle/mtoo/115.jpg
http://www.fosters.com.au/enjoy/images/img_black_douglas.jpg
Tough choice!
I think it goes with out saying that I'd welcome both down at my pu...errr...club!!
Errr do you follow the eightfold path? Consumption of alcohol! negative karma mate:D :p
Seriously Adelaide supporters should stop with their premature ejaculation. Douglas playing his first preseason match and he is better than anyone in the draft :rolleyes: (can very well end up as one of the best pick in last years draft, but its too early to tell)
TheGeneral
11 Mar 2006, 18:05
Yes, the only difference between them is Murphy's bigger body. Embarassingly, Carlton put a hundred potential draftees up on a wall and threw a dart and Murphy came up.:o
Why was Ellis drafted ahead of Douglas? :confused: :cool:
Childish stuff Gets! but what can you expect from someone who calls another person special. :thumbsd:
footyman
11 Mar 2006, 18:16
I didn't think there was a lot between them last year before the draft, the Crows did well IMO.
I didn't think there was a lot between them last year before the draft, the Crows did well IMO.
Good call. :thumbsu:
DynamoUltra
13 Mar 2006, 15:28
Adelaide missed out on Birchall though.
Not much separating the poll.
Much what I expected to see :)
Blues_Man
14 Mar 2006, 17:50
Lets all judge a couple of kids based on one preseason game :rolleyes: the person who started this poll must be a 14 yr old
TheGeneral
14 Mar 2006, 18:34
I agree that the person who started this thread must be immature and it's too early to pass judgement on who the best player is.
But how could someone be as talented as the first player picked and be overlooked 15 times? :confused:
Lets all judge a couple of kids based on one preseason game :rolleyes: the person who started this poll must be a 14 yr old
The poll was who is the better player.
Now they are both 18/19.
One will be better then the other...I did not say at AFL level.
Richie Douglas leads the poll.
TheGeneral
14 Mar 2006, 22:26
Have they played yet? :rolleyes:
How about Hansen v Thorp or Leuenberger v Sellar?
That poll would be about as silly as this one is.
They have played, not in AFL level mate.
Are you trying to tell me that you cant compare players that havent played at the highest level yet?
Murphy is better than Jace Bode for example, I am sure you would agree. Yet on your logic I can't say that as they haven't 'played' yet.
I win.
Nightwolf
15 Mar 2006, 13:01
Marc Murphy and then ill select daylight..
There is a reason why he went 15 places ahead of Douglas and was number 1 on probably every clubs list..
TheGeneral
15 Mar 2006, 14:29
They have played, not in AFL level mate.
Are you trying to tell me that you cant compare players that havent played at the highest level yet?
They were compared at the draft. ;)
Carlton and Marc Murphy win.
Murphy is better than Jace Bode for example, I am sure you would agree. Yet on your logic I can't say that as they haven't 'played' yet.
I win.
What were you trying to achieve with this thread?
Putting up the number 1 pick up against someone drafted at pick 16/17 is pretty futile and it's a pointless poll. This should have been posted on the draft board if you were legitimately wanting to discuss who was the better underage player. ;)
2notepockets
15 Mar 2006, 20:47
at under 18 level last year murphy had an average of nearly 26 touches over 8 games, douglas 24 over 13 games, douglas averaged the most hardball gets for the comp 13 per game.
murphy was more impressive in the national carnival tho, which is why he was more highly reguarded come draft time...
murphy will get greater opportunity this year, being at a club which is trying to get a side ready for about 2010.
time will tell on this one...
ok, so from many of these posts the opinion is that the majority of clubs #$%@ed up by not choosing Douglas or is it just Carlton, who should of just waited till the 2nd round to choose Murphy?:rolleyes:
Either way just a total $#% up by Carlton eh.:cool:
Crow-mo
16 Mar 2006, 22:37
One was the best player in the draft. The other bloke was not even close.
Similar height is the only comparison.
steady on.
nobody knows who the best player in the draft is yet, and I am not sure this was a consensus year on the first pick either. which I am sure you are well aware of.
obviously Murphy vs Douglas, Murphy has to be favourite at this stage but a couple of years down the track who knows.
there haven't been many years where the no.1 pick is the best player in the draft. very, very few.
TheGeneral
16 Mar 2006, 23:03
steady on.
nobody knows who the best player in the draft is yet, and I am not sure this was a consensus year on the first pick either. which I am sure you are well aware of.
obviously Murphy vs Douglas, Murphy has to be favourite at this stage but a couple of years down the track who knows.
there haven't been many years where the no.1 pick is the best player in the draft. very, very few.
Except for last year when Murphy was considered by some observers to be the only home run selection in the draft.
Crow-mo
16 Mar 2006, 23:18
Except for last year when Murphy was considered by some observers to be the only home run selection in the draft.
err maybe the Carlton observers. I thought last year was thought to have NO home run selections.
Better prospects than Murphy have sucked, not that I think he actually will.
TheGeneral
16 Mar 2006, 23:47
Not only Carlton observers had Murphy at one as this link show.
My best guess at 60 names on recruiters lists. (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3481164&postcount=1)
Can you explain why Douglas is so special if he was overlooked with 15 picks?
And why is he a better footballer than the number 1 pick?
Crow-mo
17 Mar 2006, 00:21
Not only Carlton observers had Murphy at one as this link show.
My best guess at 60 names on recruiters lists. (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3481164&postcount=1)
Can you explain why Douglas is so special if he was overlooked with 15 picks?
And why is he a better footballer than the number 1 pick?
that's your backup?
Also can you explain to me where I wrote anything about douglas being better than murphy? :rolleyes:
But how could someone be as talented as the first player picked and be overlooked 15 times? :confused:
Explain then why a bloke who aint played 40 games and is a AA KPP player was drafted from the rookie draft?
at under 18 level last year murphy had an average of nearly 26 touches over 8 games, douglas 24 over 13 games, douglas averaged the most hardball gets for the comp 13 per game.
murphy was more impressive in the national carnival tho, which is why he was more highly reguarded come draft time...
murphy will get greater opportunity this year, being at a club which is trying to get a side ready for about 2010.
time will tell on this one...
The worry on Douglas is a lack of bodysize and how that will translate at AFL level. He is already 19 and was drafted at 68kgs. Murphy was 74 and has put on 4 already and it is his first pre season after playing cricket in the other ones at TAC level. Douglas gets away with it at junior level but may struggle with it now.
Murphy also played well at the U18s in 2004 and in the TAC that year but stepped it up last year and has been on a slow and steady progression for the 2 years leading up to the draft.
Reasonable similar players. One is just better and more classy but both like winning the hard ball.
celtic_pride
17 Mar 2006, 13:45
LOOK at the poll results now Gets ... :)
Douglas is up to 75kg now :thumbsu:
TheGeneral
17 Mar 2006, 14:06
that's your backup?
Also can you explain to me where I wrote anything about douglas being better than murphy? :rolleyes:
Who did you vote for?
Crow-mo
17 Mar 2006, 20:44
Who did you vote for?
Moron. stop blindly guessing.
I haven't voted.
Hopefully Ritchie plays tonight, anyone know the line up for the crows.
TheGeneral
18 Mar 2006, 20:03
Moron. stop blindly guessing.
There's no need to get personal because you're not capable of arguing but that's all you're capable of.
I haven't voted.
You should vote for Murphy! :thumbsu:
Crow-mo
21 Mar 2006, 23:31
There's no need to get personal because you're not capable of arguing but that's all you're capable of.
what you meant to say, was that I am of basic ability and I need to make up strawmen to sustain an argument. FFS.
TheGeneral
22 Mar 2006, 00:21
what you meant to say, was that I am of basic ability and I need to make up strawmen to sustain an argument. FFS.
Correct.
You were stupid to question Mojo31's opinion and it's good to see you're IQ is increasing with each post. :thumbsu:
Markthirtytwo
22 Mar 2006, 07:42
The worry on Douglas is a lack of bodysize and how that will translate at AFL level. He is already 19 and was drafted at 68kgs. Murphy was 74 and has put on 4 already and it is his first pre season after playing cricket in the other ones at TAC level. Douglas gets away with it at junior level but may struggle with it now.
Murphy also played well at the U18s in 2004 and in the TAC that year but stepped it up last year and has been on a slow and steady progression for the 2 years leading up to the draft.
Reasonable similar players. One is just better and more classy but both like winning the hard ball.
Murphy should get more games than Dougie as the difference in the talent of the two sides is like chalk and cheese at the minute. Therefore he should progress a lot quicker by playing at the top level.
But dont be lulled into thinking Dougie wont put on those required kilos because we have one of the best football conditionering departments in the league. Our coach is a sports scientist who knows more about these things than the average joe blow.
Will be interesting though who has the best career, injury aside, and will be good to compare the two for seasons to come.
Gilly1972
22 Mar 2006, 08:56
I think you need to keep mojo's comments in context.....he said the "concern" was putting onthe kilos, he doesn't say it definitely won't happen....i think this is simply by way of explanation why Carlton would pick Murphy at #1....i get the impression that Carlton were very keen on Douglas and rated him highly (as i do as well) and it would have been interesting to see what we did at pick #20 had Douglas slipped through. From the little bit i saw of him the other night (I think it was against Melb??) he looked very composed with the ball and looks the goods to me....i personally don't have many concerns about him being able bulkto put on the necessary kilos and muscle ...for mine Murphy moves a bit better, has a bit more pure class about him but i suspect Douglas might have a bit more scope for improvement......just a bit, which will even them up a little
Murphy should get more games than Dougie as the difference in the talent of the two sides is like chalk and cheese at the minute. Therefore he should progress a lot quicker by playing at the top level.
But dont be lulled into thinking Dougie wont put on those required kilos because we have one of the best football conditionering departments in the league. Our coach is a sports scientist who knows more about these things than the average joe blow.
Will be interesting though who has the best career, injury aside, and will be good to compare the two for seasons to come.
Don't really understand about talent levels of clubs has to do with putting on weight. Douglas was 180cms and 68.1 kgs and was 18 and 10 months when drafted. Murphy was 179.1 and 74.7 kgs and 18 and 4 months when drafted. Six months younger and 7kgs heavier at draft time.
Murphy plays cricket instead of doing football pre seasons with Oakleigh Chargers and so has improved a great deal after completing his first one and is 4kgs heavier.
If Douglas was a bottom aged kid then it would not be a problem but he is not Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls or Xavier Ellis and is 1 year older than both of those skinny kids. Some players just have a problem putting on weight and Douglas might be one of those.
Markthirtytwo
22 Mar 2006, 12:02
Don't really understand about talent levels of clubs has to do with putting on weight. Douglas was 180cms and 68.1 kgs and was 18 and 10 months when drafted. Murphy was 179.1 and 74.7 kgs and 18 and 4 months when drafted. Six months younger and 7kgs heavier at draft time.
Murphy plays cricket instead of doing football pre seasons with Oakleigh Chargers and so has improved a great deal after completing his first one and is 4kgs heavier.
If Douglas was a bottom aged kid then it would not be a problem but he is not Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls or Xavier Ellis and is 1 year older than both of those skinny kids. Some players just have a problem putting on weight and Douglas might be one of those.
A number of people are convinced that weight, a champion makes. It does not. Douglas reminds me of a rich mans Matthew Lappin when younger.
To answer your first sentance, I wasnt comparing the different talent pool regarding weights, I was referring to maybe Murphy will come on quicker or earlier if you like because of opportunities.
C4[2]Yo`DooR
22 Mar 2006, 12:51
Marc Murphy = number 1 draft pick
Richard Douglas = number 16 draft pick
therefore, Marc Murphy is 16x better than Douglas :rolleyes:
A number of people are convinced that weight, a champion makes. It does not. Douglas reminds me of a rich mans Matthew Lappin when younger.
To answer your first sentance, I wasnt comparing the different talent pool regarding weights, I was referring to maybe Murphy will come on quicker or earlier if you like because of opportunities.
If Douglas wants to make it as an inside midfielder who wins clearances then he needs to be a lot bigger. Sam Mitchell for example is 179cms and 84kgs. Douglas is nothing like Lappin who is a linkman running player who is as silky as they come. Lappin would get killed if he played in the centre square constantly.
Douglas probably needs to add 15 kgs from when he was drafted to be able to play that role. Now he may never be able to do that or he may do it and lose some speed and agility like Goddard and others have. Or he may have to change his game a little. That was one of the reasons he slipped down the order depsite his year in the TAC being as good as anybodies. If he was 78kgs at draft time and tested the same at draft camp he would not have lasted until 16.
Stiffy_18
22 Mar 2006, 13:47
Douglas has also apparently put on 4-5 kilos this pre-season. John reid said the other day that he is up to 72-73 kg now.
Still needs to put on a lot more IMHO.
vinnie_vegas69
22 Mar 2006, 16:11
I rated Douglas perhaps a highly as anyone, and wasn't as high on Marc Murphy as most, but it's still a stupid comparison at this point.
It is essentially akin to comparing Robert Harvey to Gavin Wanganeen.
Neither are going to be that good, but in terms of contrasting styles, that's about right.
Douglas MAY become more of a midfielder than that, but he's not there yet.
TheGeneral
3 Apr 2006, 00:39
Murphy.
..............what?:confused: :o
gandaal
16 Apr 2006, 17:57
Richard Douglas
Where are you now?
Free Willy
16 Apr 2006, 18:03
Richard Cranium > Richard Douglas
Sanguinarius
16 Apr 2006, 18:19
Richard Cranium > Richard Douglas
thats just stupid.
Douglas will be a very good player, but at this point the comparison is stupid
gandaal
16 Apr 2006, 18:24
thats just stupid.
Douglas will be a very good player, but at this point the comparison is stupid
Yeah Gets is pretty stupid. But isn't it funny that Douglas was suppposed to be a bigger better version of Marc (according to Gets), yet Marc is the one already gathering 20 odd possessions a game in the AFL seniors while Douglas is nowhere to be seen?
And don't bother making the "we have a stronger team" argument. If Douglas was even close to being as good as Marc at this point he'd be easily getting a game ahead of players like Kris Massie.
BTW I've got no problems with Douglas, just with idiotic supporters like Gets.
Free Willy
16 Apr 2006, 18:25
thats just stupid.
Douglas will be a very good player, but at this point the comparison is stupid
Agreed.
My response was more a display of frustration at this ridiculous thread.
In all seriousness, good luck to Richard, if he too averages 18 odd disposals in his first 3 games & shows the class & poise of a Murphy, I'm sure all Crows supporters will be over the moon.
Yeah Gets is pretty stupid. But isn't it funny that Douglas was suppposed to be a bigger better version of Marc (according to Gets), yet Marc is the one already gathering 20 odd possessions a game in the AFL seniors while Douglas is nowhere to be seen?
And don't bother making the "we have a stronger team" argument. If Douglas was even close to being as good as Marc at this point he'd be easily getting a game ahead of players like Kris Massie.
BTW I've got no problems with Douglas, just with idiotic supporters like Gets.
I'm sure you can appreciate it is much harder for a young kid to break into a side like Adelaide, than it is the Blues :)
gandaal
16 Apr 2006, 18:50
I'm sure you can appreciate it is much harder for a young kid to break into a side like Adelaide, than it is the Blues :)
LOL.
Did you even read what I posted? :p
LOL.
Did you even read what I posted? :p
I certainly did :)
I will bring the argument up because it is the reason why Douglas isn't tearing up in AFL just yet :)
gandaal
16 Apr 2006, 19:02
I certainly did :)
I will bring the argument up because it is the reason why Douglas isn't tearing up in AFL just yet :)
So you do think that Massie is better than Douglas at this point? :eek: :o
crows98
16 Apr 2006, 19:38
It an indictment on the Carlton Football Club that he is playing, same can be said for Collingwood, if your playing list weren’t so ******** he wouldn’t need to be exposed to this level for 12 months.
Marc Murphy and Dale Thomas are very good players and have earn the right to be drafted first and second in last season draft but Richard Douglas has shown the same tenacity to hunt the ball and make obvious his skills on the football field, only difference is that the Adelaide Football Club has a strong midfield and he cannot find a spot in the side, that not an indictment on him so don’t caste any aspersion on his talent that he cannot demonstrate just yet.
gandaal
16 Apr 2006, 19:40
It an indictment on the Carlton Football Club that he is playing, same can be said for Collingwood, if your playing list weren’t so ******** he wouldn’t need to be exposed to this level for 12 months.
Marc Murphy and Dale Thomas as very good players and have earn the right to be drafted as the first and second in last season draft but Richard Douglas shows the same tenacity to hunt the ball and make obvious his skills on the football field, only difference is that the Adelaide Football Club has a strong midfield and he cannot find a spot, that not an indictment on him so don’t caste any aspersion on his talent that he cannot demonstrate just yet.
The guy is so good that he's getting tagged in his thrid game. Like Judd there's no real reason why kids like this who are ready made shouldn't play AFL straight away.
crows98
16 Apr 2006, 19:48
The guy is so good that he's getting tagged in his thrid game. Like Judd there's no real reason why kids who are ready made shouldn't play AFL straight away.
For the record, Sydney tag everyone on every side that is there style, so that’s nothing to get excited about.:eek:
Would he get tagged when you play the West Coast or Geelong? What about us? I know for a fact that we wouldn’t waste a tagging option on him as Robert Shirty and Nathan Van Berlo would go to Nick Stevens and Heath Scotland or Anthony Koutoufides (if he plays on the ball)
Give Ritchie some time...
Marc Murphy is a very talented footballer and i have no doubt will be a BnF winner and 200+ gamer for the Blues.
Douglas is also super talented and is dominating at Sanfl level, he has proved that he can play with the big boys, he will just have to wait to crack into the Crows side.
ATM Murphy is the better player and there is no point comparing as Douglas is yet to play at senior level, but i am very much looking forward to both of these players battling it out in years to come. Both look very classy and future stars.
TheGeneral
16 Apr 2006, 20:37
It an indictment on the Carlton Football Club that he is playing, same can be said for Collingwood, if your playing list weren’t so ******** he wouldn’t need to be exposed to this level for 12 months.
Did you make the same stupid comment when Judd, Riewoldt, Cooney and Griffen debuted and showed their talents in their first seasons?
Marc Murphy and Dale Thomas are very good players and have earn the right to be drafted first and second in last season draft but Richard Douglas has shown the same tenacity to hunt the ball and make obvious his skills on the football field, only difference is that the Adelaide Football Club has a strong midfield and he cannot find a spot in the side, that not an indictment on him so don’t caste any aspersion on his talent that he cannot demonstrate just yet.
If your midfield is so great why have Van Berlo and Vince cracked it for a game for the Crows in their debut seasons? :confused:
Douglas isn't as good as Murphy nor physically ready to play AFL and people were well within their right to say he isn't as talented as Marc. He wouldn't have been overlooked with 15 picks if he was as good and it's pleasing to see you still have a chip on your shoulder.:cool:
I think Douglas is as talented as Murphy the only question is his size. It is a stupid poll. Douglas will prove in time he is a very good player, who cares whos is the better player they are both gonna stars.
birdmanptr
16 Apr 2006, 21:16
Seriously Adelaide supporters should stop with their premature ejaculation)
You would be the expert on that 2004 the start of the port dynasty
now we are seeing the true port adelaide tradition
Total Power
17 Apr 2006, 00:46
You would be the expert on that 2004 the start of the port dynasty
now we are seeing the true port adelaide tradition
:confused:
crowsarethebest
17 Apr 2006, 12:52
Murphy is AFL ready while Douglas physically isn't up to it. Douglas has been doing great in the SANFL while Murphy has had 2 Solid games and an good game against the swans. Both have great footy brains and are classy. If Adelaide had to choose between Murphy and Douglas of course we would choose Murphy. That was at draft time. It doesn't matter where the player is picked in the draft, you would always hope that the player is going to make the AFL and be a superstar. Sherman from Brisbane is a good example. He's already gettting regular games at Brisbane and is consistently getting alot of the ball. He was taken with pick 45. It shows that it doesn't matter where you are picked up. If a player makes it to AFL i'm happy. Some players take longer, some are AFL ready already.