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Cooldude
15 Mar 2006, 10:02
... on tour, if it has improved from those days at all.

Let's face it, apart from sub-continent tours, tours like South Africa, England and Carribbean are hell lot of fun. Players might stay 24/7 in hotels in Pakistan, but you can bet your bottom dollar that they won't be going back to the hotel anytime soon if they're in South Africa.

Wonder how much cover-up CA actually had done over the years when players have been badly behaved. There are lots of stuff these blokes get up to that we don't get to hear about.

How often does a player get his ass drunk at a club and get into some sorta a punchup because he's drunk or he tried to pick up someone else's chick and got his ass king hit, or cheat on their wives and girlfriends? Not that I care about their privacy, but I'd imagine a bunch of blokes representing their country can behave just a little better than that.

Are the Aus cricketers nowadays better behaved? Or are they just better at not getting caught?

Here's the article in question:

AUSSIE CRICKETERS LIVE IT UP IN WINDIES

While on the subject of Aussie cricketers, a subscriber who toured the West Indies in 1999 has sent through this account of some of the player antics he saw. We've withheld the author's name but rest assured it is not Sparkie.

The 1999 Australian tour of the West Indies produced a great series on the field, and various entertaining exploits off the field. I was spectator to some of these off field exploits in my stay at both Barbodos (3rd Test) and Antigua (4th Test).

I was not present on the other West Indian islands for either the first two tests, nor the One dayers post the completion of the 4th Test. What I witnessed did not necessarily surprise me, what did surprise me is how stupid/naive some of these cricketers were to display these antics in full public view.

What disappointed me is the amount of blackmail money I could have made by simply bringing a camera.

Most of the action occured at a Barbados nightclub (I can't recall the venue's name), post the completion of the 3rd test (which West Indies won by one wicket thanks to a memorable match winning second innings century by Brian Lara). Most of the Australian cricketers and some of the West Indian cricketers arrived at the Barbadian hotspot. The following is some highlights of the evening:

-Michael Slater was so drunk he could hardly stand, and in fact fell over three times (that I counted) due to the copious amounts of alcohol taken. He reminded me of those drunks you see constantly see falling over at Young & Jackson's.

-Shane Warne sitting at the bar with a lovely looking negro lady on his lap (I'm not sure how relaxed Simone is about Shane's relationships with the opposite sex, but if most wives walked into a nightclub and witnessed another woman on hubby's lap I tend to think the response would be unfavorable), and then later leaving together. Whilst people can only assume whether anything happened or not after they left, I suspect that they weren't going for a game of scrabble.

-Ricky Ponting interacting with an Australian cricket follower, and then minutes later arguing then pushing and shoving with that same individual. Other people then had to hold both of them back from punching each other. This occured about two metres from where I was standing and Punter was obviously intoxicated from the slurred jibes).

-Mark Waugh wandering around the nightclub (away from the Australian crowd and into the local Barbadian's area) seemingly intent on making his acquaintance with anyone from the opposite sex.

-Merv Hughes regularly drunk (both at the nightclub and at the cricket, in fact anywhere I saw him).

Antigua did not produce as much entertainment, but there were still some highlights as follows (Note - Both the Australian and West Indian cricketers were staying at the same resort as I in Antigua):

- Shane Warne walking with Mark Waugh along the beach (about 10 metres behind me) puffing away on a cigarette. What's the big deal you may ask? From memory, Shane was on a contract or a sponsorship like agreement which disallowed Warne smoking cigarettes for a certain period of time (this smoking incident definitely occured during the ban).

- Running into a married couple who were part of Merv Hughes cricket tours. According to this couple the first 2 or 3 days of partying are okay, but when you're constantly partying to all hours then having to get up early the same morning day after day, it begins to take it's toll. They described Merv as someone who is "extremely full on, does nothing but party and is extremely loud'. I subsequently ran into other members of Merv's cricket tours, there description of Merv is similar to the above.

- A funny incident involving Colin 'Funky' Miller at the Antiguan casino, when after the completion of the 4th test, a jovial Miller with glass of bourbon in one hand and smoke in the other hand was playing the pokies machines. A patron asked Funky for a light, only for Miller to respond (with bourbon and smoke in hand) 'Mate, can't you see I'm an elite athlete' to the laughs of the crowd. Needless to say Miller was only joking and happily lent the guy a light.


What's interesting also is in Steve Waugh's autobiography, he said he imposed some sorta a curfew or alcohol ban on that tour and he thought he was "betrayed" by a lot of his players including his brother, this seems to confirm he's correct, even though Ian Healy and the likes have denied it

gerta
15 Mar 2006, 10:34
Nothing that i really wouldn't expect in that article... just the sort of thing i would imagine would go on regularly in any sporting club when they tour away from home... or in some cases when they are at home...

Cooldude
15 Mar 2006, 10:48
True, though after the Ashes loss, there was an article when an unnamed Aus cricketer said he couldn't find anyone to go out and have a beer with because they're all with their wives and gfs.

Although we're probably used to cricketers behaving badly away from tour, it still doesn't make it any much more acceptable, especially with some of the mentioned cricketers in that 99 tour of Carribbean famously underperforming at the time.

And the current team seems to have a lot more married adults, and dare I say, nerds, who are a lot more responsible. Apart from Warnie and a couple of others, there really ain't many troublemakers around anymore.

Which prompted me to start the thread in the first place, has the behaviour improved or are they better at not getting caught in the act?

gerta
15 Mar 2006, 10:54
True, though after the Ashes loss, there was an article when an unnamed Aus cricketer said he couldn't find anyone to go out and have a beer with because they're all with their wives and gfs.

Although we're probably used to cricketers behaving badly away from tour, it still doesn't make it any much more acceptable, especially with some of the mentioned cricketers in that 99 tour of Carribbean famously underperforming at the time.

And the current team seems to have a lot more married adults, and dare I say, nerds, who are a lot more responsible. Apart from Warnie and a couple of others, there really ain't many troublemakers around anymore.

Which prompted me to start the thread in the first place, has the behaviour improved or are they better at not getting caught in the act?

I think a bit of both... I think behaviour has improved.. Because of the media exposure and the fact that people are now willing and have avenues to sell their stories to the media for big $$$$$$

jagx00
15 Mar 2006, 10:56
None of that sounds like particularly bad behaviour to me. Sounds consensual.

Cooldude
15 Mar 2006, 11:12
None of that sounds like particularly bad behaviour to me. Sounds consensual.

Apart from Ponting getting into a punchup again, you're right, but as I said, they underperformed badly during that series, especially Warnie who got dropped after that Test, plus Steve Waugh did impose a curfew, so you'd think these guys would know better.

I'm all for partying and boogieing, but not at the expense of affecting your performance, if you're outta form, then you'd think it'd be wise to stay off the dancefloor

Also, if the media was there, they would've snapped shots, and it'd be termed as bad behaviour because they want all our cricketers to be role models and behave appropriately especially with the amount they're paid, they do have a point

Although I ain't really talking about those stuff in 99, was more comparing the behaviour back then to the behaviour nowadays. I don't think the Aus media's anywhere near as aggressive as the Pommy tabloid at ambushing players getting ratfaced walking outta a pub though

gerta
15 Mar 2006, 11:20
I don't think the Aus media's anywhere near as aggressive as the Pommy tabloid at ambushing players getting ratfaced walking outta a pub though

The Australian media would probably be on the juice along with the players... So they wouldn't be able to write much ;)

stokesy
15 Mar 2006, 11:44
I love it.

Joe Mama
15 Mar 2006, 14:16
Look players from around the world play up, it's a fact of life, and the sooner that we stop being so pious & hypocritical about other people's private lives, the better, because the media (and journalists in particular) behaving so high and mighty about how famous people behave, is nothing more than absolute hypocricy.

Because they (generally) present a warped view of humanity to thier customers, and thusly do more damage to peoples preceptions about others and society in general than some footballer pulling cones ever will.

God the best athletes in the world used to love the high life, (Mickey Mantle, Babe Ruth, George Best, Paul Gascoine, etc), and anyway as the Americans say ".... Almost All of our Polititians, Astronauts and World Series heroes were either drunk or on cocaine...", and if every athlete behaved like Pete Sampras (magnificent tennis player, but he's no Agassi), we would think that athletes were as interesting as watching paint dry.

And anyway to leave you with this statement, a bloke who loved cigars and drink (Churchill), another man who married his cousin, and had numerous affairs (Roosevelt), and a meglomaniac (Stalin), managed to defeat a teetotling, vegetarian artist (Hitler).

crownie
15 Mar 2006, 14:19
Nothing that i really wouldn't expect in that article... just the sort of thing i would imagine would go on regularly in any sporting club when they tour away from home... or in some cases when they are at home...

agree, thats pretty tame compared to what happens at local clubs

eddiesmith
15 Mar 2006, 14:49
Its funny, I heard Matthew Elliotts career was ended because the players acted up and he told his wife/GF which then got around to some of the other Wives/Girlfriends which ********ed off some players including Steve Waugh and thats why Elliott never played another Test untill after Waugh retired

gerta
15 Mar 2006, 15:14
Its funny, I heard Matthew Elliotts career was ended because the players acted up and he told his wife/GF which then got around to some of the other Wives/Girlfriends which ********ed off some players including Steve Waugh and thats why Elliott never played another Test untill after Waugh retired

I thought that i had heard that too before eddie...

Not sure how true it is... But he did break the code ;)

Romeo
15 Mar 2006, 16:39
I thought that i had heard that too before eddie...

Not sure how true it is... But he did break the code ;)

Yes I knew a couple of Vic. cricketers at the time and they confirmed it. The Aussies were ********ed off with him but they also said he didn't fit in as well as some of the other guys. The team becomes a bit of a clique and they don't welcome anyone who breaks the code of silence.

Adelaide Hawk
15 Mar 2006, 16:47
Its funny, I heard Matthew Elliotts career was ended because the players acted up and he told his wife/GF which then got around to some of the other Wives/Girlfriends which ********ed off some players including Steve Waugh and thats why Elliott never played another Test untill after Waugh retired

That along with the fact he wasn't making enough runs at the time possibly had something to do with it.

SorryIHammerChicken
15 Mar 2006, 18:32
True, though after the Ashes loss, there was an article when an unnamed Aus cricketer said he couldn't find anyone to go out and have a beer with because they're all with their wives and gfs.
You know the Aussie cricket team is getting old when that is the case :D

SorryIHammerChicken
15 Mar 2006, 18:35
That along with the fact he wasn't making enough runs at the time possibly had something to do with it.
If he was from NSW he would have been given more chances though

RoosterLad
15 Mar 2006, 18:51
who cares
they are aussies
aussies like drinking and rooting - sometimes at the same time
i hate people who whinge, omg Player X got paro, weak as ********
stay in Church

eddiesmith
15 Mar 2006, 19:19
That along with the fact he wasn't making enough runs at the time possibly had something to do with it.

Yes but for the next 5 years he never had a chance to get back in, its no coincidence that the 2nd series after Steve Waughs retirement that Elliott returned

eddiesmith
15 Mar 2006, 19:20
who cares
they are aussies
aussies like drinking and rooting - sometimes at the same time
i hate people who whinge, omg Player X got paro, weak as ********
stay in Church

So you support people being unfaithful when married?

Cooldude
15 Mar 2006, 19:27
who cares
they are aussies
aussies like drinking and rooting - sometimes at the same time
i hate people who whinge, omg Player X got paro, weak as ********
stay in Church

Maybe you should read the post properly first before commenting

And not often do I find myself agreeing with eddie, but I do this time, so you support people being unfaithful to their partners?

jozeph
15 Mar 2006, 19:27
So Mark Waugh and Shane Warne walked off together down a beach, with Warnie smoking a ciggy, no doubt discussing when to throw the next Test.

Renegade
15 Mar 2006, 19:34
So Mark Waugh and Shane Warne walked off together down a beach, with Warnie smoking a ciggy, no doubt discussing when to throw the next Test.
hahaha :D :thumbsu:

frankrizzo
16 Mar 2006, 01:46
Elliot was one of the big disappointments of the 90's, i have no idea of the internal politics of the team(and neither does anybody else here) but the only truth we can go on is that he never did enough with the bat at test level to warrant more recalls then he got.

It's a pity as he could have been another hayden(01-05) but he was so woeful in 99 you can understand why the plug was pulled.

peternorth
16 Mar 2006, 08:12
Elliot was one of the big disappointments of the 90's, i have no idea of the internal politics of the team(and neither does anybody else here) but the only truth we can go on is that he never did enough with the bat at test level to warrant more recalls then he got.

It's a pity as he could have been another hayden(01-05) but he was so woeful in 99 you can understand why the plug was pulled.

yes he was pretty bad with the bat, but then again before he did his knee he was doing fine.

eddie - subscribe to the theory that elliotts doing his knee in the mcg(?) test was an accident?

the aussie team is one big clique. if you dont fit in, you're not in.

manmountain
16 Mar 2006, 09:21
Calypso Cricket by Roland Fishman.

Read it if you want to know what goes on off the field on a tour of the Caribbean.

Aussie players were livid when it was released and Fishman's friendship with Greg Matthews ended.

eddiesmith
16 Mar 2006, 09:49
yes he was pretty bad with the bat, but then again before he did his knee he was doing fine.

eddie - subscribe to the theory that elliotts doing his knee in the mcg(?) test was an accident?

the aussie team is one big clique. if you dont fit in, you're not in.
Accident? Yeah right :p

sting
16 Mar 2006, 10:25
Surely people are not suprised by this . Not that I agree with it all but i would have thought that was pretty standard for a touring team .

RoosterLad
16 Mar 2006, 13:12
So you support people being unfaithful when married?

as long as they perform on the field i dont care what they do off it

you lot should stick to Womans Day

F/D
16 Mar 2006, 13:32
Meh.


I wouldnt mind Shauny P rooting some sheila if he took 15 wickets agaisnt Australia and won us the series :D


But Shauny P is faithful and a good bloke.

peternorth
16 Mar 2006, 13:43
Meh.


I wouldnt mind Shauny P rooting some sheila if he took 15 wickets agaisnt Australia and won us the series :D


But Shauny P is faithful and a good bloke.

i thought hansie was a good bloke too :(

RoosterLad
16 Mar 2006, 14:18
Meh.


I wouldnt mind Shauny P rooting some sheila if he took 15 wickets agaisnt Australia and won us the series :D


But Shauny P is faithful and a good bloke.


yeah this is what im saying and these Mormons are bagging me!

how would you react if, on the recent tour to Australia, Smith had a 3some with Magda Szubanski AND that REALLY fat chick from The Biggest Loser, yet scored a ton EVERY innings?

that is RoosterLad's brainteaser for the day

F/D
16 Mar 2006, 18:35
yeah this is what im saying and these Mormons are bagging me!

how would you react if, on the recent tour to Australia, Smith had a 3some with Magda Szubanski AND that REALLY fat chick from The Biggest Loser, yet scored a ton EVERY innings?

that is RoosterLad's brainteaser for the day
I'd walk down the street and kiss every dog of a women three times.

SorryIHammerChicken
16 Mar 2006, 21:38
yeah this is what im saying and these Mormons are bagging me!

how would you react if, on the recent tour to Australia, Smith had a 3some with Magda Szubanski AND that REALLY fat chick from The Biggest Loser, yet scored a ton EVERY innings?

that is RoosterLad's brainteaser for the day
It's not like he has to sit through the 3some....who gives a s**t?

Minotaur
17 Mar 2006, 10:48
Look players from around the world play up, it's a fact of life, and the sooner that we stop being so pious & hypocritical about other people's private lives, the better, because the media (and journalists in particular) behaving so high and mighty about how famous people behave, is nothing more than absolute hypocricy.

Because they (generally) present a warped view of humanity to thier customers, and thusly do more damage to peoples preceptions about others and society in general than some footballer pulling cones ever will.

God the best athletes in the world used to love the high life, (Mickey Mantle, Babe Ruth, George Best, Paul Gascoine, etc), and anyway as the Americans say ".... Almost All of our Polititians, Astronauts and World Series heroes were either drunk or on cocaine...", and if every athlete behaved like Pete Sampras (magnificent tennis player, but he's no Agassi), we would think that athletes were as interesting as watching paint dry.

And anyway to leave you with this statement, a bloke who loved cigars and drink (Churchill), another man who married his cousin, and had numerous affairs (Roosevelt), and a meglomaniac (Stalin), managed to defeat a teetotling, vegetarian artist (Hitler).

Great post!

ON the media, there would only be two or three Australian print media and about the same of amount of radio reports on a tour to the West Indies. There would be no television guys. If say a Robert Craddock reported this and the players then refused to give him access, he would be ********ing his career away.

Joe Mama
21 Mar 2006, 22:00
Great post!

ON the media, there would only be two or three Australian print media and about the same of amount of radio reports on a tour to the West Indies. There would be no television guys. If say a Robert Craddock reported this and the players then refused to give him access, he would be ********ing his career away.

You're right, Minotaur. journos like Robert Craddock & Peter Roebuck need to establish some positive line of communication to the players, because they need to be 'in the mix' with those in the team in order to keep not only thier jobs, but to get a much greater access of the politiking within the team.

West Indian tours, up until recently weren't widely covered, but because of pay-tv, and the growing industry of sports-gossip & muckraking, stories such as those listed at the start of this thread, can now be confirmed or denied quickly, rather than tales like these, which like most chinese whispers, get distorted over time.