View Full Version : Are AFL supporters too arrogant to follow the Storm aswell?
AuckMel
27 Mar 2006, 03:17
Must be different down your way. I attend many AFL games and many local games around the Bellarine peninsula and I can guarantee that it was by far the worst language I have ever experienced at a sporting event - and to top it off, it was the women that were the worst.
Regards
POTP
I can guarentee you I have never heard foul language as bad as I've experianced at AFL games, and yes, oddly enough the women are the worst.
I've never seen people spit at each other at a RL game.
Maybe it's just a Melbourne thing.
TuskenRaider
27 Mar 2006, 08:23
Bullshyte ..the product is boring garbage
There needs to be nothing more added to the above quote - it sums it up fairly well. Now we can close the thread.
Victorian "Aussie Rules" heads... still think its the VFL... FFS!!
Little that they know that if it wasn't for West Coast, Brisbane (Sydney kind of) to be included in the late eighties, the comp would've died!!
music_2000
27 Mar 2006, 11:50
no the NRL is not doing enough to market the storm brand. plus they need to screen matches on free to air TV
littleduck
27 Mar 2006, 13:21
2. Rugby League hosting possibly the second biggest match of the year(SOO3)
in Melbourne shows the incompetance of the people running the sport. If they think that will make people follow RL they are wrong, it robs the true fans of a really important match to them.. I support the swtiching of a few SOO games to Melbourne. This year it will be at Telstra Dome. In a few years SOO is confirmed for the MCG.
I put it to you that there is no better promotion of a sport to Melbournians than to host a high quality event on the hallowed turn of their beloved MCG.
3. I lived in Queensland for a year, and it made me dislike the game even more, boring, although i like Game 1 of State of Origin, but it was only for the atmosphere and the patriotism that i am used to in every game of the year in AFL, that doesnt exist enough in the NRL.. I'm happy to admit the average AFL game falls somewhere in between SOO and the average NRL game... but SOO is in the class of its own in this country.
4. Crowd attendences, poor............ Nonsense.. over 3 million bums on seats per season is an excellent achievement for elite level RL.
littleduck
27 Mar 2006, 13:23
Bullshyte, go back & read your first post, that's exactly what you're doing & no it isn't rubbish, you are doing more harm than good, by constantly posting your rugby crap on this forum.
It was good to see that Fred locked another of your AFL bashing threads. Here's a tip, PO to the rugby forums, you aren't wanted here. :thumbsd:
the cord on your mouse is that long so you can easily retrieve it when it gets shoved up your ass...
It's funny the difference between RU and RL .
In Perth you don't get the RU people forcing AFL people to follow their team .
And you don't get RU people putting down AFL either .
Maybe there is a lesson there .
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It's funny the difference between RU and RL .
In Perth you don't get the RU people forcing AFL people to follow their team .
And you don't get RU people putting down AFL either .
Maybe there is a lesson there .
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Unfortunately, I think the rugby people in NSW & QLD aren't capable of learning, unless they are sent to a remedial class. :D
4for brisbane
28 Mar 2006, 11:24
thats pathetic, they only say that because it gives them a reason to whinge about, stick to eating fairy bread, they are both called 'Rugby' as far as im concerned
by saying that you are showing an ignorance of the topic
rugby is rugby union
league is rugby league
by saying that you are showing an ignorance of the topic
rugby is rugby union
league is rugby league
by saying that you are showing your ignorance of the local venacular.
Rugby can mean RL or RU here they both are such minority sports that differentiating between the 2 is not usually necessary.
And as for League, If you say he played League football down here it doesn't mean he played RL.
Scorpio
28 Mar 2006, 12:45
by saying that you are showing an ignorance of the topic
rugby is rugby union
league is rugby league
In reply to this I refer you to this thread over at LU. It seems some of the rugby league brethren are not in agreeance with you on this one.
http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=134622
Calcium Man
28 Mar 2006, 13:28
Someone said that the reason is indifference which is spot on.
I take very little interest in League. I watched the Grand final just like i always watch the super bowl, because it is a massive event, not because i love the game!!
The lack of interest stems from the fact there is no tradition of League in Victoria, where as there is a tradition on Aussie Rules up north!!
If melbourne has got the Union team over perth i think it would have been well supported in Melbourne because of the Rugby World Cup and Union has been present in Victoria since the 1850's!!
It is also a bit of a joke to play the SOO in Melbourne, it will get a crowd but im not sure it will expose the game as there would be little interest in a QLD NSW grudge match, just as im sure that if we still had SOO that the Vics against SA would gain little support in Sydney!!
Rugby can mean RL or RU here they both are such minority sports that differentiating between the 2 is not usually necessary.
And as for League, If you say he played League football down here it doesn't mean he played RL.
Exactly .
If a RL plays "League" in reserve grade is he a RL reserve or a rugby reserve player ?
:)
Rugby can mean RL or RU here they both are such minority sports that differentiating between the 2 is not usually necessary.
And as for League, If you say he played League football down here it doesn't mean he played RL.
Exactly .
If a RL player plays "League" in reserve grade is he a RL reserve or a rugby reserve player ?
:)
bayfifteen
28 Mar 2006, 21:09
"Are AFL supporters too arrogant to follow the Storm as well?"
No, 'too discerning' would be a better way to put it.
Rugby (union, league, whatever) is simply too one-dimensional. A player grabs the ball, runs a little bit, passes to a teammate, gets tackled. Start over. Time and again. Occasionally you'll get the odd "exciting" bit of play (Billy Slater's 90m run, as mentioned) but how often does that happen?
Aussie Rules, on the other hand, has so much to offer the spectator - not just the long runs and the tackling, but also long kicking, pin-point passes, spectacular marks, goals kicked from the boundary line, hip and shoulders, and so on. There's just so much more going on in the game. It's got the toughness of rugby, the skill of soccer, the speed of basketball and the excitement of no other game on the planet.
Anyone arguing that we consider this other game a "threat" is kidding themselves.
what a laugh
AFL is one dimensional. It's not as skilful as soccer, as tough as either of the Rugby codes and ir's as easy to score in AFL as it is in basketball
wake up
JF_Bay_22_SCG
29 Mar 2006, 23:13
Exactly .
If a RL plays "League" in reserve grade is he a RL reserve or a rugby reserve player ?
:)
There is no Reserve Grade in the NRL any more. There is the NSWRL Premier League. (Dumb name I know).
http://www.nswrl.com.au/index.cgi?sID=10
of which there seriously is only ONE team to support!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/swansbear/NewtownJetslogoII.jpg
""Newtown is coming,
Hear the Bluebags humming,
Newtown - Newtown
Newtown is flying - there'll be no denying
Newtown - Newtown
Thirteen men all dressed in blue,
Look out 'cause they're coming through
Newtown - Newtown
:thumbsu: :cool:
http://www.newtownjets.com/13men_edit.mp3
Up the Jets-the oldest club in rugby league!
JF
eddiesmith
29 Mar 2006, 23:39
I dont follow the Storm because I already had a team I followed well before they existed so only time I go to see the Storm is when my team is in town
If this is the case, the NRL should give the State of Origin back to the actual states that are participating in the event. Its like Victoria playing South Australia at the Gabba - total lunacy. Also, the top Wallabies tests should be played in either Brisbane or Sydney.
Frankly it sickens me to see the ARU sucking up to Melbourne after handing the Super 14 licence to Perth. Keep the Wallaby tests in Sydney and Brisbane. If we are unworthy of a domestic team, we are unworthy of a test.
magpie_man
30 Mar 2006, 11:06
i reckon the australian sporting calendar should be split into three seasons:
Footy Season (Aussie Rules and Soccer)
Rugby Season (Rugby League and Union)
Cricket Season
Footy season could go for 6 months, starting in Feburary and ending in July (26 weeks = 22 rounds + 4 weeks finals).
Rugby Season could go for 5 months, starting in July and ending in November
(22 weeks = 18 rounds + 4 weeks finals).
Then all the Rugby (league and union) internationals can be played in December.
That would mean the AFL season is only really competing with soccer (laa-dee-daa) and should get shown nationwide without having to compete with the NRL for FTA timeslots and viewers. It also means that it's played in the drier months, which imo is good because the wet affects the quality of the game.
The same goes for the NRL season, which is only competing with union and should get a fairly decent run nationwide, which compensates for the reduction in general season rounds. It's also played in the wetter months, which doesn't really affect the quality of the football too much.
How awesome would that be??
littleduck
30 Mar 2006, 13:05
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littleduck
30 Mar 2006, 13:07
Exactly .
If a RL player plays "League" in reserve grade is he a RL reserve or a rugby reserve player ?
:)a rugby reserve is logically a bench warmer in a rugby match. whats that got to do with league?
kimbopen
30 Mar 2006, 17:42
Nope. Definitely not too arrogant to follow Storm.
a rugby reserve is logically a bench warmer in a rugby match. whats that got to do with league?
Here's what I posted -
If a RL player plays "League" in reserve grade is he a RL reserve or a rugby reserve player ?
Notice (in bold) where I specifically state "RL player" . That's what I'm referring too , so that would involve RL or confusingly "league" as some like to state . Is this the sort of attention you pay to reading all posts .
No wonder I have to keep repeating posts , just for you , because you can't follow the simplest of notions .
:o
Well for me, it's very simple. I simply couldn't care less about Rugby League. I support other sports, went to Melbourne Victory games over the soccer season and everything (infact, I'd sincerely call the Victory a bigger threat to the AFL in this town than the Storm), but RL simply does not interest or excite me in any way and I find it laughable how that can be called "arrogance". Oh, sorry, sahib, I forgot I have to like your game to be acceptable. Back to the Rugby boards with you!
AFL is one dimensional. It's not as skilful as soccer, as tough as either of the Rugby codes and ir's as easy to score in AFL as it is in basketball
I'd just like to show how pitiful you look when you troll so poorly .
If you are going to criticise Australian Football then "one dimensional" is obviously not the way to go . Lets see.
AR -soccering,kicking,running,tackling,rucking,handballing,marki ng,bouncing
rugby soccering,kicking,running,tackling,rucking,passing
soccer -soccering
There are more skills to be learnt with Australian Football and they are difficult .
Australian Football is physically tough , no question about that and to win a team needs to score about 4 times a quarter .That's nicely paced .
Basketball needs at least 50 baskets to win .
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littleduck
1 Apr 2006, 16:43
Here's what I posted -
If a RL player plays "League" in reserve grade is he a RL reserve or a rugby reserve player ?
Notice (in bold) where I specifically state "RL player" . That's what I'm referring too , so that would involve RL or confusingly "league" as some like to state . Is this the sort of attention you pay to reading all posts .
No wonder I have to keep repeating posts , just for you , because you can't follow the simplest of notions .
:o"Rugby League Football" is the name of the game. therefore, "football" is an acceptable nickname, and so is "league" (at all levels), but "rugby" is clearly an unacceptable nickname because it is a nickname which traditionally refers to an entirely different game. is that simple to understand, or is that simple to understand?
littleduck
1 Apr 2006, 16:45
Well for me, it's very simple. I simply couldn't care less about Rugby League. I support other sports, went to Melbourne Victory games over the soccer season and everything (infact, I'd sincerely call the Victory a bigger threat to the AFL in this town than the Storm), but RL simply does not interest or excite me in any way and I find it laughable how that can be called "arrogance". Oh, sorry, sahib, I forgot I have to like your game to be acceptable. Back to the Rugby boards with you!perfectly acceptable attitude to have, and it's not arrogant.
silkykanga
1 Apr 2006, 16:50
I agree with PhilHawk - Melbourne Storm has a great short history and though i never liked REugby as ive got older ive started to like the sport - hard tackling, unbelievable runs down the line - i never understood it but id have to say 6 years ago i wouldnt have thought id watch every game on fox sports and go to the storm games i could get to
I mean if the Kangaroos were playing on the same day you wouldnt see me at a Storm game instead but its a sport which ive taken a liking to and i think as a city we should embrace all Melbourne sporting clubs who play nationally
The Storm have a great young team and im sure a bit oif support from the public wouldnt kill you - im not saying buy a membership but get along to some of their home games and let Melbourne embrace the great sporting teams that we have - just like the Melbourne Tigers did last year and won a NBL Title lets help the boys to another NRL Title
Cheers
littleduck
1 Apr 2006, 17:18
I agree with PhilHawk - Melbourne Storm has a great short history and though i never liked REugby as ive got older ive started to like the sport - hard tackling, unbelievable runs down the line - i never understood it but id have to say 6 years ago i wouldnt have thought id watch every game on fox sports and go to the storm games i could get to
I mean if the Kangaroos were playing on the same day you wouldnt see me at a Storm game instead but its a sport which ive taken a liking to and i think as a city we should embrace all Melbourne sporting clubs who play nationally
The Storm have a great young team and im sure a bit oif support from the public wouldnt kill you - im not saying buy a membership but get along to some of their home games and let Melbourne embrace the great sporting teams that we have - just like the Melbourne Tigers did last year and won a NBL Title lets help the boys to another NRL Title
Cheersthis is exactly the type of supporter base which I believe the Melbourne Storm will attract over time.
No way, I attend Storm matches when possible throughout the season.
LebaneseForces
1 Apr 2006, 18:32
Well for me, it's very simple. I simply couldn't care less about Rugby League. I support other sports, went to Melbourne Victory games over the soccer season and everything (infact, I'd sincerely call the Victory a bigger threat to the AFL in this town than the Storm), but RL simply does not interest or excite me in any way and I find it laughable how that can be called "arrogance". Oh, sorry, sahib, I forgot I have to like your game to be acceptable. Back to the Rugby boards with you!
Yeah! Rugby League The Greatest Game Of All... I love My sport!!!! From Soccer to Tennis to Golf but when it comes to AFL it doesn't do it for me... Neither does Onion :o Union:p .
"Rugby League Football" is ....
Hey it's a simple question littledick .
If you can't answer it , just say so .
If a RL player plays "League" in reserve grade is he a RL reserve or a rugby reserve player ?
For the third time , that's the simple little question I asked .
And if you ever wrap your little brain around it you would realise that
it wasn't all that serious but a little play on words .
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JF_Bay_22_SCG
2 Apr 2006, 00:08
Yeah! Rugby League The Greatest Game Of All... I love My sport!!!! From Soccer to Tennis to Golf but when it comes to AFL it doesn't do it for me... Neither does Onion :o Union:p .
So what are you here for then? :rolleyes: To alienate more people from the sport?:rolleyes:
JF :rolleyes:
PS:- Newtown Jets >>> Canterbury Bulldogs ;)
LebaneseForces
2 Apr 2006, 10:15
So what are you here for then? :rolleyes: To alienate more people from the sport?:rolleyes:
JF :rolleyes:
PS:- Newtown Jets >>> Canterbury Bulldogs ;)
Geez your on Leagueunlimited... Good for you too:thumbsu: ;)
Saintsfan
2 Apr 2006, 10:27
League is a little like AFL, realistically it's only played in NSW and Qld, it is struggling to maintain a foothold in England (UK) and New Zealand. Yeah you get your test matches but reallistically the only real representation is between these three countries.
In Australia union is starting to poach players with the promise of more money, league is still suffering from letting two rival tv companies rape and pillage their sport with money and greed a few years back.
Super fourteen will eventually get to prosper from players changing over to union and will expand while league becomes the distant toothless two headed cousin noone talks about
I have no interest in rugby league and sometimes fail to find the time to get to as many AFL matches as I'd like.
No. Interest. In. Boring. Sports.
i myself as a long time storm and pies fan cant understand why people cant give the storm a go
seeing billy slater run 90 metres with the ball to score a try is just as exiting as seeing anthony rocca get onto one from 60 metres out and sail right through the middle
also looking at lycra wearing cheerleaders shake thier bosoms around is also a good reason to watch the storm unless your homosexual
Its the whole new generation of ignorant children. Melbourne (and Victoria) has been known for years as supporting anything.
People who are on here and dont know the difference between league and rugby are prime examples of the new age nuffies. Internet tough guys that preech about how much they know when really they should be at cronulla beach with the other ignorants.
I am, and always have been a huge afl follower. But I've still got the mental capacity to say that I enjoy the different attributes and skills that the other two (three if you count soccer) codes have. I see myself as a true "old school" Victorian that would go and watch two flys crawl up the wall.
littleduck
2 Apr 2006, 12:15
League is a little like AFL, realistically it's only played in NSW and Qld, melbourne storm in VIC dont count?
canberra raiders in the ACT dont count?
it is struggling to maintain a foothold in England (UK) and New Zealand. struggling?
Yeah you get your test matches but reallistically the only real representation is between these three countries. true.
In Australia union is starting to poach players with the promise of more money... they only have 4 teams to fund from the riches of the wallabies...
...league is still suffering from letting two rival tv companies rape and pillage their sport with money and greed a few years back. how is it suffering?
Super fourteen will eventually get to prosper from players changing over to union and will expand while league becomes the distant toothless two headed cousin noone talks aboutS14 is a 3-month half-season competition with just 4 Australian-based teams. Just 2 NRL teams play more than 4 Australian-based S14 teams... and there are 14 others.
Melbourne storm in VIC dont count?
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That's basically the proposal of the thread .
S14 is a 3-month half-season competition with just 4 Australian-based teams. .
Name any other competition that's had a 25% expansion in Oz lately .
:eek:
Saintsfan was looking to the future , not the historical past.
It's lot easier for the S14 to expand in Australia than RL and it's made a lot easier by there policy of poaching developed players from RL rather than investing in grassroots .
:(
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littleduck
2 Apr 2006, 16:16
It's lot easier for the S14 to expand in Australia than RL and it's made a lot easier by there policy of poaching developed players from RL rather than investing in grassroots .
:(
.ARU poaching of elite RL players can only ever be a trickle and never a flood... and the trickle only makes financial sense if they are effectively guaranteed to make the Wallabies. It's touch for RL to lose 1 superstar player every so often, but there are always plenty more where he came from. I think RLs best response would be to triple the match payment for SOO and Test Matches.
That's basically the proposal of the thread .
Name any other competition that's had a 25% expansion in Oz lately .
:eek:
Saintsfan was looking to the future , not the historical past.
It's lot easier for the S14 to expand in Australia than RL and it's made a lot easier by there policy of poaching developed players from RL rather than investing in grassroots .
:(
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in 4 years there will be only 3 aussie teams in the super 14, they'l relise they havent got the talent pool to have 4 teams especially 1 from WA who will be lucky to win a game...
the nrl is expanding next year into the gold coast and hopefully will expand again in years to come....
and if you think poaching players from the NRL will keep the ARU afloat you better take another look
ARU poaching of elite RL players can only ever be a trickle and never a flood... and the trickle only makes financial sense if they are effectively guaranteed to make the Wallabies.
The ARU sees it financially and logistically simpler to poach RL players than to invest in the huge broadbrush investment of grassroots .
Even the AFL is not adverse to poaching from the GAA .
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littleduck
3 Apr 2006, 16:21
The ARU sees it financially and logistically simpler to poach RL players than to invest in the huge broadbrush investment of grassroots .
Even the AFL is not adverse to poaching from the GAA .
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Absolutely right... but as I said, it can never be a flood of players... merely a trickle of 1 or 2 players every so often.
Calcium Man
3 Apr 2006, 17:33
the nrl is expanding next year into the gold coast and hopefully will expand again in years to come....
Just wondering where realistically you feel the NRL can expand too?? There is no chance of another melbourne or a kiwi team, adelaide was and will be a failure, perth have a union team now. Queensland will soon have 3 teams. Creating more teams in queensland isnt really expanding either its more consolidating!!
magpie_man
3 Apr 2006, 17:52
the nrl are looking at bringing back a perth team, which isn't a bad idea as the west australians have shown that they can support more than one football code.
another kiwi team is on the cards, there is a millionaire who is pushing to get a team based in wellington into the nrl, saying he will completely fund it.
adelaide is another option, there is an nrl game being played there this weekend (storm v panthers) which will be a good gauge to see the support for the game in the city of churches.
fishmonger
3 Apr 2006, 18:24
Why is it that the Melbourne Storm still are unable to get regular crowds at their home games down in Melbourne. I mean you know your team is struggling when you get more opposition supporters than home supporters at a home game in your city.
All things considered, its not as if the Storm are a struggling team, I would say they would rank in the top 4 teams in the competition - but why is it then that AFL supporters cant considering the possibility of even supporting their local team? (referring to resident Melbourne based supporters).
If you look up at the Sydney Swans in what was usually considered to be a "rugby league heartland", after the Swans won the cup last year, the amount of support and general good spirit shown towards the Swans has been amazing, especially over the past 3-4 months.
There was a good article in the herald a week back,
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,18556941%255E14823,00.html
Where it said,
I mean the Storm have made the finals in 6 of their past 8 years, also winning the damn thing in only their second year in the competition ...
Are the Melbourne Storm fated to die a drawn out death down in Melbourne, or will you Melbourne folk take it into your heart to eventually start supporting them? ...
I think you'll find there is probably "support" there, just not the sort of passion that puts bums on seats.
And trust me, I went a couple of times and the mob that turns out to Storm games would put anyone off attending on a regular basis.
Why go to a game when the crowds there are nothing short of obnoxious drunk twenty something yobs when you can go to a game of AFL where the crowds are mostly families that behave in a civilised manner.
Face it, to games of Aussie Rules attract everyone from westies through to Collins Street suits and they can sit next to each other without batting an eyelid. Whereas all Rugby League matches attract is yobs. Full stop. Noone else. Others may watch on TV, but the crowds are full of stinking losers.
Unfortunately a new stadium won't fix this for the Storm unless they increase the gate fees massively, which would in turn drop their attendance to unviable levels. It is all about primary audience.
Anyway it is amazing what awareness will do for a great product.
When I lived in Brisbane, you mentioned Aussie Rules and most people thought you were talking another language.
People mostly fitted the following profiles.
a) never knew the game existed and knew nothing about it
b) never knew the game existed and never been to a game
c) knew the game existed but were told by other people (typically jealous rugby league fans) it was "gayfl" and to avoid it at all costs
d) had attended a game and liked it but had no local team worth supporting
e) had seen a game on TV and didn't understand the difference in actually going to a game
Then the Lions came along and enlightened a whole lot of people who never turned back.
The same thing is now happening on a smaller scale with the Swans.
Now compare that to the case in Melbourne, where the NSWRL/ARL/NRL for many years in the 1990s flogged their product, and Packer and Murdoch were only too willing to chip in with the cash and media coverage.
Just about everyone had at least heard about the game, but noone took to it.
Then the Storm come along and despite their success, they still don't get crowds.
Why ? Gee - I wonder.
In my opinion, NSW and Queensland (and the rest of the world for that matter) represent enormous growth potential for Aussie Rules. Just about everywhere that has been exposed to the game it has grown. Rugby League will find it infinately tougher to get attendances in places that have already seen Aussie Rules live.
Why do you think sunshine? just like the Sydney people didnt watch the COMM Games because they were in Melbourne.
Thugby is a s**t game and Victorians see it for the sham of a sport (sic)? that is really is compared to Australian Football.
Sheez it cant even get half decent crowds in its heartland.
NSW and Qld have been fed RL by the media for nearly 100 years unlike Melbourne and the other states that have no history of this foreign game.
Its the whole new generation of ignorant children. Melbourne (and Victoria) has been known for years as supporting anything.
People who are on here and dont know the difference between league and rugby are prime examples of the new age nuffies. Internet tough guys that preech about how much they know when really they should be at cronulla beach with the other ignorants.
I am, and always have been a huge afl follower. But I've still got the mental capacity to say that I enjoy the different attributes and skills that the other two (three if you count soccer) codes have. I see myself as a true "old school" Victorian that would go and watch two flys crawl up the wall.
Luckily most of the rest of we Victorians woulnd't go to second rate sports of any nature. Go check the crowds at local baseball and now even basketball.
wizard_9
3 Apr 2006, 22:01
Obviously i am. As i support the Mighty Sea Eagles. Looking pretty good at the moment aswell my boys after two good fighting wins.
it can never be a flood of players...
Any particular reason behind that ?
"Never " , is a really really big call .
I think "unlikely" is a lot closer .
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The big downfall of the Storm is the lack of publicity that they get down in Melbourne. The few times I've stopped over at a Melbourne airport lounge and picked up the sport, about 6 pages are dedicated to AFL and if they're lucky, about a paragraph on the Storm. I wouldn't imagine Channel 9 broadcasts any of the Storm games either at any stage of the weekend, let alone report on them in the news bulletins.
One of you said that the best thing to happen to the Storm is Channel 9 losing the AFL rights. I think that's spot on. And if Channel 9 play it correctly and show more coverage of Storm matches then hopefully it will get a rollon and expose the game to more people. It's a big possibility next year with it looking like there being 2 Friday night games per week.
But quite honestly some of you show posters are completely arrogant and narrow-minded. I'd be fine with you saying "I don't like rugby league and therefore don't tend to follow it". But a number of you aggresively stated that there is no difference between rugby league and rugby union and that you couldn't care less if the Melbourne Storm failed. Quite pathetic really. Those of you need to get out of your little worlds and give rugby league a go. Once you actually watch a whole game then you may make a decision of whether or not you like it or not. You can't possibly make up your mind on any sport if you've only seen 2 minutes.
The 3rd game of the State of Origin series is being played in Melbourne this year. If you consider yourself to be a fair, open-minded person then you will watch the game. Don't be ignorant. Give it a fair run.
Saying you don't care about the difference between the 2 codes is different to saying there isn't a difference. You either have difficulties in comprehension or you are just pulling shyt out of your ass to make a flimsy non existent point.
Why would people who do not care for rugby (league or union) give a shyte if melbourne storm failed. I couldn't care less. I would probably be more patriotic for my city in my restaurant rules. :p :D
by saying that you are showing an ignorance of the topic
rugby is rugby union
league is rugby league
so melbourne storm play rugby :confused:
JF_Bay_22_SCG
3 Apr 2006, 23:55
The attitudes I have seen in this thread are somewhat ironic. They are exactly what I dealt with as a Swans fan back in the dark days of the 80s & 90s. People would say the game was ******** for this reason & that. But luckily the VFL then AFL started showing some sense of not only commitment but willingness to understand the NSW market when Ron Barassi came up here. Call his coaching methods old fashiond if you will, but it was his passion for the challenge of not only getting a team at literally its nadyr to rebuild from the bootlaces up but to look at AFL footy in NSW and try and plant the seeds for growth of the game as a whole. It was only when Barassi came up here that he started pulling his weight and making some noise about the facilities the club had to work in as well. From there the AFL got the bug. The premiership we enjoyed, as well as the susequent growth of the game in NSW would NEVER have happened had one Ronald Dale Barassi told them to get their fingers out and not miss out on spreading the footy gospel in Australia's biggest city.
The Melbourne Storm simply do not have that Ronald Dale. Not that that would mtter, as the people running the game have not been really interested in really making serious efforts in fosering the club, even to the point of knocking back salary cap incentives to get better players to go down to Melbourne. NRL players see going to Melbourne as going into a black hole. And with the NRL showing its true colours by having a final played in Sydney rather than in Melbourne on a Saturday when there was no AFL being played, you realise that the Storm at present are on a hiding to nothing, despite having a small but intensely loyal supporter base.
Basically rugby league is run by a forced merging of inward-thinking Sydney clubs and a media organisation intent to have everyone buy pay tv subscriptions. It is covered by a TV network who couldn't give a ratarse about developing the game in Victoria & never have really care too much about it, on both sides of the Murray.
Melbourne is a basketcase that only the NRL can fix, if they genyuinely want to. Part of me empathises with the loyal supporters the Storm has. But part of me can only laugh derisively at how things are down there; something that happened oh so often back in the dark old days.
The scary thing is that the NRL are so devoid of any sense of vision they are letting rival codes get footholds in heartland areas. The AFL has been aggresive in setting forth a platform for developing and fostering the game in Western Sydney right from the grass roots up. Rugby union has already taken over from rugby league as the number one code in Canberra, thanks to the Brumbies. When juniors like former Raider player Ron Giteau's son start playing for a rival code at international level, you know you have to worry. But the NRL in all their lack of planning will only actually realise there is a problem in the ACT when it is too late to fix it. I'm not saying the Raiders are going to die or anything. But from a club than stopped the city only 10 years ago they, and the game of rugby league in the ACT, are slipping every year in stature.
You watch, the Central Coast is the next place a rival code has gotten a foothold into. It is rugby league heartland now. But if there isn't a team for locals to want to die to play for, how many kids will want to grow up playing for the Mariners.
I have little sympathy for the fact that the game of rugby league is in the state it is nationally. It is booming in Sydney, but is realy only holding its ground in the once-heartland Brisbane market at very best. You reap what you soe. Melbourne is in the too-hard bsket for the News RL. I mean pumping millions into developing a proper infrastructure into the code in Victoria is not going to get one more Foxtel subscriber signed up, is it? So what is the point then?:rolleyes:
If you don't believe me, ask the Western/Perth Reds.
JF (unbiased sportsfan, but supporter of the grassroots Newtown Jets rather than the NewsLtd RL)
littleduck
4 Apr 2006, 15:56
the nrl are looking at bringing back a perth team, which isn't a bad idea as the west australians have shown that they can support more than one football code. Perth should get a few one-off games per season, but I dont think they should be an expansion priority in the foreseeable future either.
another kiwi team is on the cards, there is a millionaire who is pushing to get a team based in wellington into the nrl, saying he will completely fund it. millionaire.... you mean a belgium billionaire is prepared to fund a 22nd kiwi team to be called the Wellington Orcas.
adelaide is another option, there is an nrl game being played there this weekend (storm v panthers) which will be a good gauge to see the support for the game in the city of churches.i dont think Adelaide is or should be a priority for the foreseeable future. nothing more than a distant future possibility.
littleduck
4 Apr 2006, 15:58
Any particular reason behind that ?
"Never " , is a really really big call .
I think "unlikely" is a lot closer .
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anythings possible... but I would say "never" is more accurate than "unlikely"... because lets assume for a second that S14 becomes a full-season 6-month competition with 10 or more Australian teams... they wont have the funds to offer double or triple the salary of a top RL player because funding 10 or more teams is expensive and the discrepancy in player wages would be negligible... therefore it wont be a flood bcoz its not a more attractive game all things being equal.
littleduck
4 Apr 2006, 16:00
Rugby League will find it infinately tougher to get attendances in places that have already seen Aussie Rules live.Absolute codswallop.
stui magpie
4 Apr 2006, 16:01
Are you still here Donald?
I thought they packed you off to the Steggles factory after the Commonwealth Games closing ceremony.
RooVegas
4 Apr 2006, 16:27
For those still vaguely interested in this debate, I think JF_Bay_22_SCG pretty much gave a decent synopsis. I'm an ex-Vic now living in Brisbane (having also spent some time working and living in Sydney a few years back). AFL admin kicks NRL's butt when it comes to developing the game. You can see that in every dimension.
As for likes and dislikes. It pretty much comes down to dominant culture of where you find yourself. Growing up in Melbourne I mainly disliked League (but acknowledged Union a bit more - mainly because of the Wallabies / World Cup factor). But when everyone else is talking it and watching it, you eventually start to watch a bit of it, understand it and quite enjoy it. The culture here is having a beer on a Friday night and watching the League just as in Melbourne it would mean watching AFL. Channel Nine having both sports, means you can't watch both, so you're restricted by the dominant sport in the area that they choose to broadcast.
but is realy only holding its ground in the once-heartland Brisbane market at very best. You reap what you soe.
Couldn't agree more. How can Rugby League possibly continue to compete against the Lions' and Swans' booming television ratings, which are obviously capitalising very well on recent premierships for both clubs.
Here is something for those who think the AFL is taking over Brisbane:
Sunday's NRL game (on delay at 6:30pm) Brisbane V Parramatta, 301K (5th for the week).
Friday night's NRL game (on delay) Parramatta v Cowboys, 219K (26th for the week)
Saturday's AFL game (live) Brisbane v Geelong, not in the top 50-(177K was the cutoff).
No AFL games in the top 50 in Brisbane (or Sydney).
http://pbl.com.au/media/pdf/2006/2006%20Aust%20Television%20Ratings%20-%20Week%2013.pdf
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ChrisFooty
7 Apr 2006, 16:01
Melbourne storm get no FTA TV coverage.....they will die a slow death in melbourne.
If i want to know when the next melb storm game is.....you dont know really hey, they never advertise it.
Living in victoria most of my life it's like the nrl don't even care about rugby league in melbourne, so AFL will run riot there.
PS...Storm are finished now losing slater for 7 weeks.
JF_Bay_22_SCG
15 Apr 2006, 13:24
To anyone in South Australia who has nothing to do tonight, Penrith are playing the Storm at Hindmarsh Stadium at 7:30pm.
To say that rugby league is a crap sport to watch, you at least should attend one game, go with an open mind, ask questions about rules you don't understand, ad try and learn about it.
If you still don't like it after sitting through the game for 80 minutes, then you can validly say the game isn't for you. But at least you'll have seen a match live & actually know what you are talking about.
JF
CharlieG
15 Apr 2006, 13:35
It's nothing to do with arrogance. Rugby league is just a boring game.
shiva25
15 Apr 2006, 13:50
To anyone in South Australia who has nothing to do tonight, Penrith are playing the Storm at Hindmarsh Stadium at 7:30pm.
To say that rugby league is a crap sport to watch, you at least should attend one game, go with an open mind, ask questions about rules you don't understand, ad try and learn about it.
If you still don't like it after sitting through the game for 80 minutes, then you can validly say the game isn't for you. But at least you'll have seen a match live & actually know what you are talking about.
JF
I can say i have been to a Melbourne Storm game last year and will never go to a game again as it was nothing more than garbage.All you see for the whole 80 minutes is big brute guys slamming into each other in a game that starts and stops far too often.
The majority of us here in Melbourne couldnt give a toss about Rugby or the Storm and thats why i believe the Storm will die a slow death in a few years time
Bombers_Forever
15 Apr 2006, 14:09
There is only about 15,000 fans in Melbourne who actually care about league. And the regular 8000 who turn up to games can actually explain the rules and know the players
Jimthegreat
15 Apr 2006, 14:53
I believe most of us like the Storm and take more than a passing interest in their progress, just not a passionate one like we do AFL. Unfortunately the Storm are in a market that is AFL fanatical, unlike Sydney with Rugby league, and with the big crowds AFL gets in comparison to RL, there's just little room for a team that we certainly like but don't follow with the same passion. Makes it hard to give the same "hand's on" support. I've been to 2 RL games, and while I certainly enjoyed it and would be happy top go again, I don't follow it with anywhere near the same fanatical passion as AFL. It's where the room to support both codes runs out and probably why WA got the Super 14 franchise.
Matt_TY
15 Apr 2006, 17:11
Speak for yourself mate, personally I couldn't give a rats if the Storm shut down tomorrow. The Melbourne Victory on the other hand...
eddiesmith
15 Apr 2006, 17:43
I went to a storm game last year and will go again this year, I just hope the result is the same as last year, the Storm getting thumped :D
I follow the storm a bit but not as much as the Sharks and will only go when the Sharks are in town
demoniac
15 Apr 2006, 18:40
I just find league to be a boring game. It just does not interest me. A Super 14 franchise might.
littleduck
15 Apr 2006, 20:41
To anyone in South Australia who has nothing to do tonight, Penrith are playing the Storm at Hindmarsh Stadium at 7:30pm.
To say that rugby league is a crap sport to watch, you at least should attend one game, go with an open mind, ask questions about rules you don't understand, ad try and learn about it.
If you still don't like it after sitting through the game for 80 minutes, then you can validly say the game isn't for you. But at least you'll have seen a match live & actually know what you are talking about.
JFyou're kidding yourself... attending 1 game of football is enough is it ???
littleduck
15 Apr 2006, 20:42
It's nothing to do with arrogance. Rugby league is just a boring game.
if thats your honest assessment, nobody has a problem with it. if you start plugging union ahead of league, your bias will be as obvious as a flashing light in the dark of night.
littleduck
15 Apr 2006, 20:45
I believe most of us like the Storm and take more than a passing interest in their progress, just not a passionate one like we do AFL. Unfortunately the Storm are in a market that is AFL fanatical, unlike Sydney with Rugby league, and with the big crowds AFL gets in comparison to RL, there's just little room for a team that we certainly like but don't follow with the same passion. Makes it hard to give the same "hand's on" support. I've been to 2 RL games, and while I certainly enjoyed it and would be happy top go again, I don't follow it with anywhere near the same fanatical passion as AFL. It's where the room to support both codes runs out and probably why WA got the Super 14 franchise.
fair assessment in my view.. but its really bl00dy hard when you cant get to watch them on FTA tv... if locals could begin to identify with some of the marquee players and could follow the form fluctuations of the Storm then things might start to improve drastically.... but whilever the Storm relies on attracting patrons to a crap stadium with no FTA tv coverage the game itself will struggle to resonate.
littleduck
15 Apr 2006, 20:47
I just find league to be a boring game. It just does not interest me. A Super 14 franchise might.
why??
eddiesmith
15 Apr 2006, 20:59
why??
I'd like to know too, if any game is boring its Union :p
JF_Bay_22_SCG
31 May 2006, 18:55
I found this article quite interesting, if a little disturbing at the same time.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/league/nrl-offers-little-cheer-for-women/2006/05/27/1148524934110.html
NRL offers little cheer for women
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Rugby league is a long way from a women-friendly spectator sport, writes Samantha Lane
NSW fans "welcome" a cheerleader to Telstra Stadium last week.
Photo: Glen McCurtayne
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AdvertisementWORD is that the National Rugby League is looking to officially recognise the contribution of women to its game, AFL-style. But before the NRL considers bells, whistles and pink ribbons, it would do well to start with some analysis of match-day happenings, where there is a change screaming out to be made.
It's a change that might not please every spectator, but one that would go miles to creating a more inclusive environment for women.
As an uninitiated spectator at last Wednesday's state-of-origin match, I didn't expect to leave Sydney's Telstra Stadium with an expert understanding of the subtleties of a foreign code. Nor did I expect such an in-your-face experience that demonstrated, in the starkest of ways, the great contrast in AFL and NRL crowd culture.
An initial observation was a welcome, if not coincidental, one, noted in the ladies' toilets pre-match. There were no queues. Outside, it was also difficult to spot the women, particularly the 20-somethings, which might go some way to explaining the leering attention directed at my companion as we walked to our seats.
The pre-match entertainment was standard modern-day sporting event fare — fireworks, throbbing nightclub music and an anthem rendition — until the cheerleaders filed out. A dozen or so women, sparkling pompoms in hands and clad in lycra hotpants, bikini tops and knee-high boots, began a routine of body rolls, general bumping and grinding and booty shaking. This was not a demonstration in contortionism, acrobatics or even wonderful flexibility. It was showgirl dancing.
It was some relief when play began. That was until the cheerleading brigade split into groups and, in different directions, made their way around separate sides of the ground while play continued. Throughout their trek around the boundary, they were wolf whistled and cheered at wildly. They waved and smiled.
At half-time, the troupe returned for an encore centre-stage performance. There was more crowd hooting and, unable to recall feeling more alienated or ostracised at a sporting event, I wondered what the other young, female, prospective league fans in the audience were thinking. What was welcoming about this environment?
On Thursday night, the MCG was almost completely filled for a one-off sporting special with a festive bunch of ladies and gents. They watched the Matildas play before the Socceroos. The Mexican wave and the odd flare were the only distractions from play.
On Friday night, it was business as usual. Collingwood played the Western Bulldogs and, completely unprompted, my accomplice for that night — attending just her third AFL match — commented on how "wholesome" an experience she thought it was. Men, women, kids, parents, grandparents, thermoses, sandwiches and rugs. Random ruffians of course, but at this game a man named Joffa was the only cheerleader dressed in sequins.
Just as the AFL controls what happens on its game days — and it must be noted that, for reasons that require explanation, cheerleaders still form part of the pre-match before Adelaide games — the NRL can authorise what and what won't form part of its contests.
If the cheerleaders don't go, no amount of well-intentioned, girl-power window dressing will convince anyone that the establishment is taking women seriously.
Thoughts?
JF
I have to agree with the article.
On top of that, I find League to be very Americanized. The after try entertainment, the counting down of the clock, the (in Brisbane's case) 'let's go Broncos,' the massive sponsorship logo's which dominate playing stripes, even the mid season transfers.
To quote a player manager (Liam Pickering) Rugby League has a culture of players leaving for higher money rather than staying Loyal to the club.
In a way, I'm glad that Australian Football has been able to keep most of it's traditional excersises.
Including mergers, the AFL has only seen 19 clubs exist within this competition...only 3 fail to exist in it's innital form; Brisbane Bears, University and Fitzroy. In Melbourne other than the South relocation and Fitzroy merger, the football landscape hasn't changed much since 1925!
In contrast, the NRL/ARL/NSWRL, has gone through well over 30 clubs in it's history.
Less changes to the fundemental features of the competition = more stability.
Could you imagine your club 'folding' and following a new club..this occurs regularly in the world of Rugby League.
"...at this game a man named Joffa was the only cheerleader dressed in sequins..."
Yeah, take that Rugby, you have cheerleaders, we have Joffa!
Nah really anything Melbourne is good, but the League game stinks, it really does.
Tried watching it a few times but nah keep it, you guys up North deserve it.
And yeah, I can watch Rugby more so than League.
League is just too repetitive. Tackle, tackle, tackle, tackle...kick ball away. Repeat over and over.
Whereas Rugby may be start stop but you have other things happeneing, line outs, scrums...and the thing about penalty kicks, us AFL supporters dont mind it, you see we follow a game that relies heavily at shots towards goals, so we quite enjoy it when they have a penalty and take aim. Rugby has more to offer than League, just a better game all round.
MMm,
I can see the future...Melbourne Bushrangers, now thats a name we can relate to....Storm WTF ???
You mexiacans hate League b/c its a non victorian sport, not b/c its boring etc. I am sure if this game was invented soley in Victoria then you would all embrace.
I still stand by thoughts of victorians being the most insular little weasles in australia.
Rezpekt.
MightyFighting
1 Jun 2006, 11:02
You mexiacans hate League b/c its a non victorian sport, not b/c its boring etc. I am sure if this game was invented soley in Victoria then you would all embrace.
I still stand by thoughts of victorians being the most insular little weasles in australia.
Rezpekt.Not true. Boring Victorian sports are also ignored.
See Trugo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trugo
You mexiacans hate League b/c its a non victorian sport, not b/c its boring etc. I am sure if this game was invented soley in Victoria then you would all embrace.
I still stand by thoughts of victorians being the most insular little weasles in australia.Yeh, of course you are right. You can’t get Victorians to go and watch anything but the sport invented here - Australian rules. Well that’s ignoring Aboriginal claims to the origin of the game and the fact we just saw a full G for a soccer practice match, we’ll see a full G for first day the next Ashes test there, we see crowds flock to RU/RL tests/SOO matches, the Commonwealth games saw big crowds everywhere, the Australian Open Tennis gets new record crowds every year and there are numerous big capacity stadiums on the city fringe that weren't built to house the poor.
I think your last line tells the real story.
You mexiacans hate League b/c its a non victorian sport, not b/c its boring etc. I am sure if this game was invented soley in Victoria then you would all embrace.
I still stand by thoughts of victorians being the most insular little weasles in australia.
Rezpekt.
Nah, f&kci' boring!
You mexiacans hate League b/c its a non victorian sport, not b/c its boring etc. I am sure if this game was invented soley in Victoria then you would all embrace.
Yeah, like we hate Tennis (French/English), Golf (Scottish), Surfing (Hawaii), Basketball (Canadian), Soccer (English), Horse Racing (?Scythia?).
Geez mate every major sport is either based in Melbourne, has its marquee event here or or is over-represented in national leagues...except the rugbys.
I still stand by thoughts of victorians being the most insular little weasles in australia.
Thats why we have race riots here :rolleyes:
I think crowds will increase when olympic park is rebuilt. Love watching the storm on telly but when i went to a game it was terrible standing for 80 minutes which included about 15 or 20 minutes lining up for beer.
Also game seems to go so quickly. 2 or 3 beers, 1 dunny stop and all of a sudden it is all over and you missed 1/2 of it standing in lines!
Thats why we have race riots here :rolleyes:
pfft typical reply from an insular fwit that has no real idea and bases all his facts from reading the the age or the hun.
Have you ever lived in Sydney or have you ever lived in the hotspots?
No? The STFU idiot!
Yeh, of course you are right. You can’t get Victorians to go and watch anything but the sport invented here - Australian rules. Well that’s ignoring Aboriginal claims to the origin of the game and the fact we just saw a full G for a soccer practice match, we’ll see a full G for first day the next Ashes test there, we see crowds flock to RU/RL tests/SOO matches, the Commonwealth games saw big crowds everywhere, the Australian Open Tennis gets new record crowds every year and there are numerous big capacity stadiums on the city fringe that weren't built to house the poor.
I think your last line tells the real story.
There you go another victorian blowing this whole "we are huge bigger than ben hur down here" out of his arse.
Sport is sport but it doesnt make you the greatest ever living beings in the world b/c you follow it and besides the weather being the way it is down here no wonder you need to watch sport on TV on the weekends to fill your time, its bloody too grey and cold to do anything else down here.
There is much more in life than being the worlds greatest sports watchers. Would be good if the fat arsed victorians would actually participate!
I was comprehensively proved wrong in my claim that Victorians hate non-Victorian sport, therefore I'm desperately trying to change the subject.
^Fixed.
I am a fucwit of the highest order
Like derr tell us something we don't know! :rolleyes:
Yet another cutting, decisive argument from Diego. Quality stuff, mate :thumbsu:
Yet another cutting, decisive argument from Diego. Quality stuff, mate :thumbsu:
Mate just following your lead. Tell me where i have chnaged the arguement?
There you go another victorian blowing this whole "we are huge bigger than ben hur down here" out of his arse.What are you on about? I am providing evidence that you are completely wrong. Nothing more and nothing less. You on the other hand are providing yet more evidence as to your bizarre paranoid negative outlook. Sport is sport but it doesnt make you the greatest ever living beings in the world b/c you follow it Never claimed anything of the sort. You said we only follow Victorian sports. I proved that as wrong as most things you claim about Victoria or for that matter Collingwood which comes from your bias and angst rather than any sort of logic. and besides the weather being the way it is down here no wonder you need to watch sport on TV on the weekends to fill your time, its bloody too grey and cold to do anything else down here. Ha more evidence that you are unable to grasp it all. “We” don’t watch it on TV we attend. Look at RL crowds and TV audiences. That’s where the TV viewer accusation should be levelled and that is in spite of the magnificent weather further North. It’s a nice, if typical, attempted dig though. I get that you dislike Victoria and Victorians. I get that you are a miserable person. What I don’t get is why you stay and whinge.
get that you dislike Victoria and Victorians. I get that you are a miserable person. What I don’t get is why you stay and whinge.
Miserable? Only since i started living in this :D:D:D:Dhole. Why i am still here, thats easy, i have a high paying job that i cannot just leave and yes they are moving to sydney and yes i am leaving. And also its hard when you girlfriend is a melbourne girl and refuses to live anywhere else.
I guess thats not the answer you are looking for eh.
Cassius_Clay
1 Jun 2006, 14:50
Miserable? Only since i started living in this :D:D:D:Dhole. Why i am still here, thats easy, i have a high paying job that i cannot just leave and yes they are moving to sydney and yes i am leaving. And also its hard when you girlfriend is a melbourne girl and refuses to live anywhere else.
I guess thats not the answer you are looking for eh.
STFU and stop complaining.
Miserable? Only since i started living in this :D:D:D:Dhole. Why i am still here, thats easy, i have a high paying job that i cannot just leave and yes they are moving to sydney and yes i am leaving. And also its hard when you girlfriend is a melbourne girl and refuses to live anywhere else.
I guess thats not the answer you are looking for eh.Wasn’t looking for anything in particular Mr paranoid but it didn’t really answer my question which was why do you stay and whinge?
Also, I thought jobs paid higher in Sydney? Are you trying to escape the huge cost of living increase?
Bourky23
1 Jun 2006, 14:57
rugby is pooooooooooooo
Miserable? Only since i started living in this :D:D:D:Dhole. Why i am still here, thats easy, i have a high paying job that i cannot just leave and yes they are moving to sydney and yes i am leaving. And also its hard when you girlfriend is a melbourne girl and refuses to live anywhere else.
I guess thats not the answer you are looking for eh.
Really though, you can admit it to us... youre among friends here! Sydney is just a poor mans Melbourne for tourists.
While Sydneysiders are accomodating chinese tourists, Melbournites are happily living it up in the best city in the world. :thumbsu:
... besides the weather being the way it is down here no wonder you need to watch sport on TV on the weekends to fill your time, its bloody too grey and cold to do anything else down here.
U sure, there is that much difference?
Sydney
Avg rainfall - 1221
Cloudy days - 136
rainy days - 139
thunder days - 24
Melbourne
Avg rainfall - 621.3
Cloudy days - 178
rainy days - 145
thunder days - 12
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Hey Diego, shove this up ya "clacka!"
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Melbourne 'world's top city'
February 6, 2004
The Age
Melbourne has retained its position as the best city in the world to call home.
Often derided as Bleak City by Sydneysiders, Melbourne topped a survey of 130 cities, narrowly beating out the other four Australian capitals surveyed - because its weather rated the best. :D
Sydney lost ground because its crime rate was rated on a par with New York and London. :eek:
1= Melbourne
1= Vancouver
1= Vienna
4 Perth
5 Geneva
6= Adelaide
6= Brisbane
6= Copenhagen
6= Montreal
6= Oslo
6= Sydney
6= Zurich
13= Helsinki
13= Stockholm
13= Toronto
Others:
19= Auckland
19= Honolulu
28= Paris
45= London
51= Dublin
51= New York
57= Washington
64= Athens
75= Beijing
130 Port Moresby
The Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) survey ranked Melbourne, Vancouver and Vienna as the best cities for expatriates to live, with Perth fourth and Adelaide, Brisbane and Sydney equal sixth.
Geneva was ranked fifth, while Papua New Guinea's capital Port Moresby kept the title it took in the last survey in October 2002 as the worst.
"Melbourne pretty much top scored in everything," said survey co-editor Jon Copestake.
"But the difference between all the Australian cities is minimal. One thing Sydney had different to the other cities was a higher crime rate, and its climate. Its level of humidity was worse than Melbourne's."
Victorian Tourism Minister John Pandazopoulos said the award was based on a survey of a city's infrastructure, access, education levels, crime rate, focus on the environment, culture and events, its diversity and how connected it was with the rest of the world.
Mr Pandazopoulos said even Melbourne's weather rated better than Sydney's. :p
"It's a brilliant pat on the back for Melbourne, particularly for two years in a row," he said. :thumbsu:
"We already promote ourselves as the world's most liveable city, we can continue doing that."
Mr Pandazopoulos said the award backed Victoria's record as the only Australian state in which international visitor rates grew for the past two years.
He said Melbourne was also a very affordable city, where people got value for money for great products, including top fashion and restaurants.
He said the government would continue to work hard to meet the balance of stimulating a vibrant economy and social standards to ensure Melbourne remained one of the world's best cities.
The London-based EIU assessed the level of hardship for expatriates in the 130 cities, using 12 factors including housing, education, recreational activities, health, climate and terrorism.
Cities were rated one to five in the 12 categories, with one meaning there was no hardship and five indicating extreme hardship.
Melbourne received the perfect one:thumbsu: in each category, including its unpredictable weather, to give it an overall score of one.
The other Australian cities were all given a two:eek: for climate, while Adelaide also received two for housing, Brisbane and Perth scored two for transport and Sydney for its crime. Port Moresby received five for crime and an overall score of 80.
While Perth was given an overall mark of 1.1, Adelaide, Brisbane and Sydney scored 1.2
We simply ARE the best
fishmonger
1 Jun 2006, 16:27
sydney vs melbourne board :(
my 2 cents (questions i always ask in response)
1. if melbourne is so bad, why are so many sydney people moving here ?
2. if rugby league is so good, why are'nt all the NSW ex-pats getting into the storm when they get here (it is not like they are such an unsuccessful team) ?