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wizard_9
2 Apr 2006, 18:05
Ins and out for round to will be?
What changes will be made to the side for the Carlton must win game guys?
Grover will return for sure. But the question marks are over Peake, Cook and probably Polak. Will any of these boys get a run, i would think Peake will.
Then who goes out? McManus, Dodd??
Dr Ralph Dagg
2 Apr 2006, 18:07
Ins and out for round to will be?
What changes will be made to the side for the Carlton must win game guys?
Grover will return for sure. But the question marks are over Peake, Cook and probably Polak. Will any of these boys get a run, i would think Peake will.
Then who goes out? McManus, Dodd??
No one is reading my tackle thread so I'll repeat my suggestions here. But I reckon Cooke, Haines and Grover come in for Matty Carr, Walker and Gilmore.
Gilmore was ordinary...who knows what will happen with Dodd after that knock
Gilmore was ordinary...
He had plenty of mates - do we drop em all?
dominguez
2 Apr 2006, 18:59
I'm not a fan of Gilmore, I don't see the need for 2 Des Headlands in a side that struggles to win the stoppages, but he wasn't our worst Today. Same applies to McManus, he's a long way from my best 22 but was in our best dozen Today. Walker was barely sighted, but he's one of Connolly's favourites. I think we need either Walker or Hayden in the side to play on the dangerous small forwards, but if Connolly isn't going to play him there we might aswell drop him.
If Peaker doesn't play there's something wrong.
Ins and out for round to will be?
What changes will be made to the side for the Carlton must win game guys?
Must win? IMO, it would be more beneficial in the long term for the club to lose so Connolly can get the arse.
wizard_9
2 Apr 2006, 19:31
The only reason loosing would be good is so we could pick up Gumbelton to relace Pav in a few years if we keep up ******** like that.
mathew20
2 Apr 2006, 19:55
one change will do the trick connelly out harvey in
My two initial changes as a reaction to watching a replay:
(1) Peake for Headland
(2) Drum for Gilmore
I actually thought Hedland was far from the worst.
He at least tried to break lines and kick long and direct and not pad his own stats.
dockers_bengals
2 Apr 2006, 20:33
Surely gilmore isnt the only one to drop,what about the carrs thier disposals are shocking josh is worse.black did nothing,at least macca had ago even if he didnt do much with the ball.
in peake cook grover out j carr gilmore murphy
johnson at chb.I think johnson might be alright up forward with pav,i do prefer mcpharlin at chb.
wizard_9
2 Apr 2006, 21:13
In: Grover, Hayden, Peake
Out: Gilmore, ???, ???
Dodd if he is a little sick maybe.
wehavethepassion
2 Apr 2006, 21:24
Genius hayden was in super form for soufs on Fri nite. Polak is along way off had only 4 touches for the game against Perth. We need haydens run from defence.
One melee Dodd will be doutful. also Josh mite get a week for smacking vandenberg?
Grover in for Dodd.
wizard_9
2 Apr 2006, 21:29
Any word on Scotty Thornton?
I think Hayden will be handy to run with Betts.
Any word on Scotty Thornton?
I think Hayden will be handy to run with Betts.
Broadbridge said after the game that they are hopeful he will be back in the next month
wizard_9
2 Apr 2006, 22:32
Broadbridge said after the game that they are hopeful he will be back in the next month
What a waste. Hadrill anyone?
out for crowley not putting his body on the line
out gilmore
out johnson
out mcmanus
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in peake and cook
in hayden to play on lappin
out for crowley not putting his body on the line
out gilmore
out johnson
out mcmanus
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in peake and cook
in hayden to play on lappin
I'm interested in why everyone wants to dump Macca when he was in everyones top 5 yesterday?
theGav56
3 Apr 2006, 12:14
I'm interested in why everyone wants to dump Macca when he was in everyones top 5 yesterday?
Keeps with the whole knee-jerk reaction. Very disappointing game all round, but Shaun was okay. He isn't a match winner, but he is a good honest player.
My other favourite knee-jerk comment has been "get it in quickly to the forwards". But the reality is it was as crowded as a Mumbai curry house in there, and it would have come out like a backpacker with the runs.
We were beaten at the clearances. It plagued us last year, and it had been the focus over the break. Unfortunately it actually looked like we were worse. Sandilands di alright, but they read his taps better than we did. Broadbridge and the players need to sharpen that up quickly.
We were beaten at the clearances. It plagued us last year, and it had been the focus over the break. Unfortunately it actually looked like we were worse. Sandilands di alright, but they read his taps better than we did. Broadbridge and the players need to sharpen that up quickly.
It's been a problem for way to damn long. If they haven't addressed it over the long break then how can we expect it to change within a week? It's this that starts sending me towards the Rob mindset.
On one hand your thinking it's very early days, on the other hand you see all the same problems as we had last year.
afreofan
3 Apr 2006, 13:23
Based on yesterday's insipid performance.
Out : J. Carr, M. Carr, J. Walker, H. Black and D. Headland.
These players are content to run to stand on the mark but never run hard to man up and put pressure on the player as he is receiving the ball.Tackling is almost non-existent.
In : Cook, Peake, Grover, Drum and Haines.
Might cop some criticism here but would rather see players commit their body instead having "talented" players standing back waiting for the easy possessions.
afreofan
3 Apr 2006, 13:28
Based on yesterday's insipid performance.
Out : J. Carr, M. Carr, J. Walker, H. Black and D. Headland.
These players are content to run to stand on the mark but never run hard to man up and put pressure on the player as he is receiving the ball.Tackling is almost non-existent.
In : Cook, Peake, Grover, Drum and Haines.
Might cop some criticism here but would rather see players commit their body instead having "talented" players standing back waiting for the easy possessions.
Serious questions must also be asked about the coaching staff. This game plan has been used before and failed miserably. Stuff the stastics and get back to basics.
Kurtis G
4 Apr 2006, 01:45
Whats wrong with Polak at the moment?
Based on yesterday's insipid performance.
Out : J. Carr, M. Carr, J. Walker, H. Black and D. Headland.
These players are content to run to stand on the mark but never run hard to man up and put pressure on the player as he is receiving the ball.Tackling is almost non-existent.
In : Cook, Peake, Grover, Drum and Haines.
Might cop some criticism here but would rather see players commit their body instead having "talented" players standing back waiting for the easy possessions.
I see where you are coming from, players are living on their name from past performances.
I can see players like Grover (automatic selection), Peake (foot speed) and maybe Cook (grunt) coming in.
Personally I would go down to the old peoples home and get some old grannies to come out and thump Headland, Black and the Carr clan over the head with umbrellas, as they need a massive wake up message.
theGav56
4 Apr 2006, 10:54
Disagree with the comments against Headland. Thought he had a reasonable game. Part of his problem is that he is expected to win matches for us, and when he is "servicable" he cops it. Ditto farmer. I wouldn't be dropping Headland. Bit unfair re Black who has had an interupted pre-season. He is one of our more consistant contributors.
Disagree with the comments against Headland. Thought he had a reasonable game. Part of his problem is that he is expected to win matches for us, and when he is "servicable" he cops it. Ditto farmer. I wouldn't be dropping Headland. Bit unfair re Black who has had an interupted pre-season. He is one of our more consistant contributors.
I agree. Des did lay 4 tackles (equal 2nd amount with Hase) , tried to break lines and be direct.
Heathblack needs to find fitness and form at Sowfs and with Peaker, Grover & Cookie most likely to come in that will probably happen .
inferno66
4 Apr 2006, 13:17
out johnson
Johnson was one of the best for Freo out there on the day. Why would he be dropped :confused:
Kurtis G
4 Apr 2006, 14:41
Is Polak injured? If so, whats wrong with him? He could harden up the defence a bit.
ImperialPurple
4 Apr 2006, 14:53
Polak has apparently had some "general soreness" during the pre-season (read "personal issues"...) along with a bit of a wonky knee that he had last year also. He has played the last 2 weeks in attack for his WAFL club. Both weeks they have copped absolute canings, with the ball spending little or no time down his end much at all.
Don't know what the exact story is with him, but I can't see him coming back too soon, and if he does, can't see it being as a defender. If the Sharks would (were instructed to do so by Freo) play him for a game or two down back, then it might a) restrict the scoring against them, b) give him some quality game time, b) give Freo what they are currently lacking and that's an experienced KP defender.
Disagree with the comments against Headland. Thought he had a reasonable game. Part of his problem is that he is expected to win matches for us, and when he is "servicable" he cops it. Ditto farmer. I wouldn't be dropping Headland. Bit unfair re Black who has had an interupted pre-season. He is one of our more consistant contributors.
I agree with your comments about Dessie, I thought he had an OK game and shouldn't be dropped. There's also no point changing the lineup based on that damn ground in Tassie, we need players that play well at Subi this week and I think we need to keep Headland, Black and certainly Walker for their pace and for Black & Des's long kicking ability. Pace is also the reason that we should bring back Peake!
Dropping Macca would also send the wrong message to the rest of the players, he was easily top five in the game vs the Hawks and I think it's great that we're picking a team with each player's current form a consideration.
I'd love to see Roger back, and agree with a comment above that he'd do well on Betts!
Anyone else keen to see Grover match up on Fevola? Gonna be some sparks there and I think Grover will mash him into the dirt! :)
hodge = gun
4 Apr 2006, 19:06
how far off is robert haddrill???
how far off is robert haddrill???
I wouldn't expect anything from him for weeks yet and wouldn't be surprised if it's longer.
Whats wrong with Polak at the moment?
McPOLAK!
Cook (should never be out of the side) and Grover will add some much needed BALLS to the side.
Cook (should never be out of the side) and Grover will add some much needed BALLS to the side.
You are correct, but Cook aint one of the "pretty boys" who are given an eternity to produce some good form.
Cook and Macca are from the same basket, Macca has produced and we know Cookie will do the same.
OUT: Gilmore, Dodd (inj), Walker
IN: Grover, Duffield, Peake
IN: Duffield
Not possible at present.
wizard_9
5 Apr 2006, 15:35
Its here that i see the problem with the massive leadership group. They are really undroppable because of there standing in the club. I'm talking bout guys like Walker and M.Carr more specifically.
inferno66
5 Apr 2006, 18:29
Its true that Walker and M.Carr had a shocker. But so did Pavlich. Why not drop the whole squad while we are at it :rolleyes:
dockers_bengals
5 Apr 2006, 19:00
walker usually plays defence so its bit harsh on him when hes only played two pre season games out of there.i think he was on bateman who did nothing.would like to mcpharlin back at chb for his run off,johnson looks a good enough mark to try up forward with pav.in-Grover,peake and hayden cook.out-gilmore,j carr,murphy Macca.macca and carrs disposals are shocking .cook in for j carr both poor kicks but need cook in the center for bouncedowns etc. I feel better already:D
walker usually plays defence so its bit harsh on him when hes only played two pre season games out of there.i think he was on bateman who did nothing.would like to mcpharlin back at chb for his run off,johnson looks a good enough mark to try up forward with pav.in-Grover,peake and hayden cook.out-gilmore,j carr,murphy Macca.macca and carrs disposals are shocking .cook in for j carr both poor kicks but need cook in the center for bouncedowns etc. I feel better already:D
Bateman got 19 touches and a goal, so in terms of tagging Walker didn't exactly keep him that quiet.
I am keen to leave McPharlin where he is - he needs the experience playing as a forward to become more consistent in that position and for the midfielders to get used to kicking to him (When they can actually get the ball).
walker usually plays defence so its bit harsh on him when hes only played two pre season games out of there.i think he was on bateman who did nothing.would like to mcpharlin back at chb for his run off,johnson looks a good enough mark to try up forward with pav.in-Grover,peake and hayden cook.out-gilmore,j carr,murphy Macca.macca and carrs disposals are shocking .cook in for j carr both poor kicks but need cook in the center for bouncedowns etc. I feel better already:D
Love him or hate him, if you drop Macca you are sending the wrong message to the player group.
The Carr clan needs a massive jolt of lightning, they seem to be cruising carrs, rather than crashing carrs.
I agree...rather 10 Maccas out there than some of the other crap we saw last week
dockers_bengals
5 Apr 2006, 22:46
dam,knew i should of checked his stats first, just in case.For a team that has depth we dont seem to have many other options in midfield,if only we had 17 midfielders like the egirls.I agree macca was having a go and it would be harsh to drop him.
In the Age today, Connolly is predicting as many as "4" changes...which surprises me, even considering how poor we were last week...
At a guess...
In: Grover, Peake, Drum, Cook
Out: Dodd, Walker, Murphy, Gilmore
In the Age today, Connolly is predicting as many as "4" changes...which surprises me, even considering how poor we were last week...
At a guess...
In: Grover, Peake, Drum, Cook
Out: Dodd, Walker, Murphy, Gilmore
Murphy unlucky?
Murphy unlucky?
Yep Murphy won't go - they need his height in defence for this upcoming game and he didn't play that badly.
Very interesting to see who CC will drop if he is going to let 4 go. Some of the lower performers on Sunday were Black, both Carrs, Walker and possibly/unfairly Parks. I just can’t see how CC could drop any of those guys, except Walker, and not be concerned about keeping a strong side.
IMO the outs will probably be : Walker, Dodd (inj), Crowley, Gilmore
I think Crowley might get targeted because he didn’t bring the physicality that we need from him.
If it were me selecting the outs would be: Walker, Gilmore, J Carr, Dodd.
Josh instead of Matt because we will require Matts pace at Subi, ditto for Black.
I think the “ins” are fairly obvious.
Undertaker
6 Apr 2006, 19:22
Out Walker, Dodd, Gilmour & J Carr
In Cook, Peake, Drum & Hayden