View Full Version : Warney on Cricket Coaches
ManWithNoName
8 Apr 2006, 15:24
"I don't think there's a place for a coach in international cricket. Every player at this level knows exactly what to do. The only thing a coach does is to punch worthless data into a computer."
FWIW, I agree with him.
Cooldude
8 Apr 2006, 15:33
Flanders Buchanan's gonna love what he said there, wouldn't he?
Don't know if it's the single life troubling Warnie, but he couldn't keep his mouth shut lately
nicho_magic
8 Apr 2006, 15:38
we all no that comment is 100% correct, buchanan himself would know that is correct. nothing wrong with it imo
Cooldude
8 Apr 2006, 16:00
buchanan himself would know that is correct.
What a strange thing to say
So he himself would agree that he's not needed? Bull********
Sometimes there are things you shouldn't say even if you know they're right, this is one of them.
nicho_magic
8 Apr 2006, 16:18
What a strange thing to say
So he himself would agree that he's not needed? Bull********
Sometimes there are things you shouldn't say even if you know they're right, this is one of them.
okay maybe i was a tad unclear and really didn't think about what i was saying.
whilst buchanan is known as a coach, he often wouldn't give the players technical advice etc... he would do a lot of research on oponents and things similar to that nature, like stuff to do with the ground etc pitch etc etc... buchanan as a coach gives his players tactical advice and looks at facts and figures and the amount of 'coaching' he does is kept to a minimum really. buchanan isn't really a coach in my opinion and thats more what i was trying to say.
Cooldude
8 Apr 2006, 16:47
No, Buchanan's a coach, he's called the Aus cricket team coach, and that's what he is, no matter what role he's playing
And I can tell you, anyone who has a job wouldn't be happy to know that someone think their kind's not needed
nicho_magic
8 Apr 2006, 17:00
No, Buchanan's a coach, he's called the Aus cricket team coach, and that's what he is, no matter what role he's playing
And I can tell you, anyone who has a job wouldn't be happy to know that someone think their kind's not needed
he's not a coach tho. lets face it, most cricket coaches at clubs in the nets give technical advice all the time, and give youngsters tips on what they are doing right and wrong both technically and mentally. Buchanan doesn't do any of that 'coaching' stuff, he merely looks at stats giving players bits and peice of advice, and then leaves the rest to the bowling/batting/feilding coaches who do all the coaching. yes he has a coaching role, but he's not really a coach.
Armageddon
8 Apr 2006, 17:26
he's not a coach tho. lets face it, most cricket coaches at clubs in the nets give technical advice all the time, and give youngsters tips on what they are doing right and wrong both technically and mentally. Buchanan doesn't do any of that 'coaching' stuff, he merely looks at stats giving players bits and peice of advice, and then leaves the rest to the bowling/batting/feilding coaches who do all the coaching. yes he has a coaching role, but he's not really a coach.
How do you know this :rolleyes:
nicho_magic
8 Apr 2006, 18:03
How do you know this :rolleyes:
well why would they have a bowling coach, fielding coach, batting coach etc. i am sure he gives peices of technical advice as well i'm just trying to make the point that he's not like most coaches be it football, netball, tennis etc.
Ian Chappell agrees with Warne on this. Boy Shane has a lot to say lately. If they locked him in a room with KP and the fat prick it would be line ball to see who could say the most.
Unwritten_Law
8 Apr 2006, 19:20
well why would they have a bowling coach, fielding coach, batting coach etc. i am sure he gives peices of technical advice as well i'm just trying to make the point that he's not like most coaches be it football, netball, tennis etc.
So by the same logic Sheedy doen't give technical advice because he has a defence coach, midfield coach, ruck coach and forward coach?
ViperV10
8 Apr 2006, 19:45
Yet another disheartening statement. Coaches are extremely important at all levels of cricket. Obviously we are aware of their importance at junior and lower levels, but it continues on to the top level of cricket where someone is needed to develop strategies with his players, work through their issues (utlising specialist coaches if needed) and manage the ability these players have. If Australia and other teams around the world did not have coaches at the highest level the game would suffer greatly.
johnnyhoward
8 Apr 2006, 22:16
So by the same logic Sheedy doen't give technical advice because he has a defence coach, midfield coach, ruck coach and forward coach?
I agree, but where nicho is coming from is that Buchanan has less of a mentoring role (which is not really required at such a high level of cricket)
nicho_magic
8 Apr 2006, 23:18
Yet another disheartening statement. Coaches are extremely important at all levels of cricket. Obviously we are aware of their importance at junior and lower levels, but it continues on to the top level of cricket where someone is needed to develop strategies with his players, work through their issues (utlising specialist coaches if needed) and manage the ability these players have. If Australia and other teams around the world did not have coaches at the highest level the game would suffer greatly.
yes i understand what your saying here, but lets face it, buchanan isn't sending a runner out to get ponting to make changes left right and centre, and coaching him through the game like most other sports. he helps out using past info and other info to determine weaknesses etc, but lets face it his role is very small when compared to other sports.
If they changed his title to 'Manager' or 'Director of Cricketing Operations' or something similarly idiotic, no one'd object to his presence.
ViperV10
9 Apr 2006, 21:33
yes i understand what your saying here, but lets face it, buchanan isn't sending a runner out to get ponting to make changes left right and centre, and coaching him through the game like most other sports. he helps out using past info and other info to determine weaknesses etc, but lets face it his role is very small when compared to other sports.
Very true and I agree with you in part. I am not suggesting that a cricket coach would send a runner out or technique updates to his players because it is obvious that that is not the role of a coach during play. What I am saying however is that he is vital in the breaks before and after play where he and the computer analyst are analysing the game. Between games is where a coach at the highest level comes into his own and is definately a required part of the game.
I can understand Warne's comments in a sense because Buchanan wouldn't bring technique tips or in-depth strategy to him because Spin bowling is more of a specialist role than any other in the game which Warne knows like the back of his hand. In terms of batsmen, pace bowlers and fielders however a main coach is incredibly influential and can bring new approaches.