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Luva Chat
7 Jul 2006, 12:23
Finals at Eltham is a reward for mediocrity and is as baffling as when they gave them the intercomp game a few years back. The grounds ****, the clubs on the slide and is a frontrunner for relegation, a disgrace for not being able to field thirds football for reasons incomprehensable to most, so well done guys we`ll reward you with some finals footy at your great venue, keep up the good work.
For the record I don`t rate Epping either and would of wholeheartedly accepted finals at Cramer st. As for your reasoning that finals may speed up the ground fixing problem, shouldn`t the ground be fixed before finals are played there? Finals should be played at the best venues and if Eltham is rated as one of the best then it must be of a very bad bunch, therefore time to widen the vision and make sure venues like Cramer Street are at the forefront of finals Venue discussion in the future, E.D.F.L. can play finals at Windy Hill, Western Region at Whitten Oval, Ammo`s at Cramer Street and we get stuck with wet,windswept Epping, picturesque Eltham and the welcoming atmosphere of the Kennel.
What is the reason for no thirds at Eltham? Looking at the players they have on their list they are not short on cash - do they not have the strength through the committee to look to the future.
The Bears have gone through a few coaches in the last couple of years with a couple of ex AFL players, how do you rate the new bloke in charge against them. What were their Strengths and Weaknesses in comparison? Is the new coach the reason for the re-emergence of the bears or is it just to many quality players for Divi 2? Will the bears go all the way or would it suit the club to be in Divi 2 for 2-3 years and rebuild? Always being the poor rello to a DVFL powerhouse in Monty is a monumental hurdle to get over.
On your comment in regards to Mont, we don`t regard ourselves as a poor rello to Mont, we are two very different clubs in all respects. The biggest hurdle with our neighbors is the fact that there Juniors occupy our rooms and ground for 3 days a week and that is no disrespect to Mont Juniors as we have a very good working relationship with them but it is an issue which we face that no other club has to deal with.
Your question in regards to going all the way, my answer would be like every other club and that is, it is our ultimate goal but all we can do is go along the path we are and if that proves successful then Premierships will take care of themselves. It`s worth noting that we still have out Mario Bandera and Andy Knee, with reports that Ben "Powder" Lancaster will be back playing in a week or two after a couple of years overseas, so our hope would be that come finals time we will be at 100 percent instead of the 80 we are at the moment and have been for most of the year.
Coach Hollywood
7 Jul 2006, 12:46
What is the reason for no thirds at Eltham? Looking at the players they have on their list they are not short on cash - do they not have the strength through the committee to look to the future.
Maybe Kickass would be best to answer this one Luva Chat, but a far as I know Eltham have been pushing and pushing for U19's for as long as I can remember and by 2000 it looked like it was working when they made the grand final but lost and heaps of kids were coming through. I think the kids are possibly more interested in other stuff then playing footy a 9:45am Saturday's and the one's that are keen are needed to help fill a team in the 2's.
What is the reason for no thirds at Eltham? Looking at the players they have on their list they are not short on cash - do they not have the strength through the committee to look to the future.
I have spoken to alot of Eltham Juniors over the years through my Football and Cricket duties as well as their parents and there conclusion is that Eltham pay only lip service to there Junior club and dont put in the hard yards to get the kids to come through. They probably think they do but obviously they don`t and will now always struggle to get thirds going, perhaps if they do get relegated they can change the focus from trying to stay in div 1 to getting a thirds side and building from there up, and perhaps it`s credit to a club like Lower that have an affiliation with a Junior club 8 kilometre`s away and make a success of it with fielding thirds every year since there inception into the League bar the first, whilst a club like Eltham with one of the oldest and biggest junior clubs on there doorstep cannot field thirds. Perhaps some Elthamites can elaborate further.
Bubble Wrap
7 Jul 2006, 12:49
On your comment in regards to Mont, we don`t regard ourselves as a poor rello to Mont, we are two very different clubs in all respects. The biggest hurdle with our neighbors is the fact that there Juniors occupy our rooms and ground for 3 days a week and that is no disrespect to Mont Juniors as we have a very good working relationship with them but it is an issue which we face that no other club has to deal with.
Your question in regards to going all the way, my answer would be like every other club and that is, it is our ultimate goal but all we can do is go along the path we are and if that proves successful then Premierships will take care of themselves. It`s worth noting that we still have out Mario Bandera and Andy Knee, with reports that Ben "Powder" Lancaster will be back playing in a week or two after a couple of years overseas, so our hope would be that come finals time we will be at 100 percent instead of the 80 we are at the moment and have been for most of the year.
I would have thought, had the grand final been played anywhere but Whittlesea, that Greensborough would have been an absolute shoe-in for the flag this year. However, recent results suggest they struggle at Whittlesea for some reason, and I can see them being seriously challenged by Lower, Whittlesea and possibly even Reservoir. However, Greensborough seem to be the best placed club to cope if they go up next season.
Just a quick query - is promotion compulsory? I would have thought for a young side like Lower, even if they won the flag, they might benefit from another year or two in Division 2 until their players are a bit bigger and they can consolidate financially? What's the feeling at Lower - do they think they can compete in Div 1 next season if required or would they prefer to consolidate for a season or two before trying to make an impact in Division 1?
I would have thought, had the grand final been played anywhere but Whittlesea, that Greensborough would have been an absolute shoe-in for the flag this year. However, recent results suggest they struggle at Whittlesea for some reason, and I can see them being seriously challenged by Lower, Whittlesea and possibly even Reservoir. However, Greensborough seem to be the best placed club to cope if they go up next season.
Just a quick query - is promotion compulsory? I would have thought for a young side like Lower, even if they won the flag, they might benefit from another year or two in Division 2 until their players are a bit bigger and they can consolidate financially? What's the feeling at Lower - do they think they can compete in Div 1 next season if required or would they prefer to consolidate for a season or two before trying to make an impact in Division 1?
Ideally we could probably do with another year or two in div 2, but in no way would we pass up the opportunity of giving these guys the chance to be part of a Premiership as it could add years to their development. As for passing on the promotion aspect, well it is not something we have openly talked about but my personal opinion is that it is something we would have to seriously consider as there is alot of work to be done off the field to put us in a position of strength and that is about 2 years away. Haveing said all that it would have been interesting if we had stayed in div 1 as I think it being the bottom half of div 1 is the weakest it`s been in years.
Giveyathemail
7 Jul 2006, 13:51
And you would be one of those residents wouldn't you GYTM. It strikes me as funny that you seem to love bagging a team that represents a town you hail from???? Do your mates from Lalor know that you call the greeny Environs of Eltham Home??
In regards to the ground at Eltham, although it was indeed on the sloppy side against H'berg a couple of weeks back, it is currently in Very Good nick at the moment. In contrast, some of the other grounds in the Valley are far too hard. For example, The ground at Diamo last week was far harder and rougher than their very own gravel carpark was!! By the way, apart from the Ground surface itself, Panther Park meets all other pre-requisites for Hosting DVFL Finals and therefore deserves an opportunity to do such.:D
Anyway, enough of the grounds debate, what is the mail about this weeks big match GYTM?? :cool:
KA I think you have muddled it all up my friend. I was discussing Northcote Park as a possible venue for finals, with the parking situation at Westgarth St being the focus of my arguement. All my mates know of my address, and let me assure you big fella its not in those leafy surrounds out there in Eltham. I do however like to get over there when I can, and its known by all and sundry that I frequent that area only for the sole purpose of entertaining a young local lady in the back seat of my late model Commodore. Have done for a while....Those leafy trees give us adequate coverage when reqd.
In regards to this week mate, I think the importance of this game cant be underestimated for both sides. Injuries have played a huge part of our season this year, and this week looks to be a great test for us. Should be a cracker of a game, I have been looking forward to this game for 2 months. We are treating this as a final, make no mistake about that.
Giveyathemail
7 Jul 2006, 14:03
Not a problem for D4 Ammos crowd, but a Diamond Valley finals crowd is a different story. Would struggle to cope but the Preston market car park would help.
Sounds like your talking about Cramer St mate.... Prestons home ground.
I was referring to Northcote Parks home ground in Westgarth St , Northcote.
If you parked your car at Cramer St and walked to that ground mate, Id suggest you may have to leave a little earlier than you usually would.... 2, maybe 3 days earlier.:D
kanga fan man
7 Jul 2006, 14:38
This is how good the DVFL is going Lalor play Eltham at home , while our U19's play Epping at Epping. And that is the only game at Epping as there seniors have the week off. so they have to prepare for 1 game when they could have just played it at lalor with there seniors.
Giveyathemail
7 Jul 2006, 14:43
The 19s format is a joke.
wonderman
7 Jul 2006, 15:16
Wonder, Wonder , Wonder..... Did you forget previous posts can be viewed?..or did you just not know because you are ignorant. Either way you have been exposed. Hang your head.
Nice one mattyr :thumbsu:
Exposed, what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I will say it again, sure I play in it, and I'm fat a, slow and a thug, that's why i play in it.
Mattyr you are a legend..luv
joshooaa
7 Jul 2006, 15:41
I have spoken to alot of Eltham Juniors over the years through my Football and Cricket duties as well as their parents and there conclusion is that Eltham pay only lip service to there Junior club and dont put in the hard yards to get the kids to come through. They probably think they do but obviously they don`t and will now always struggle to get thirds going, perhaps if they do get relegated they can change the focus from trying to stay in div 1 to getting a thirds side and building from there up, and perhaps it`s credit to a club like Lower that have an affiliation with a Junior club 8 kilometre`s away and make a success of it with fielding thirds every year since there inception into the League bar the first, whilst a club like Eltham with one of the oldest and biggest junior clubs on there doorstep cannot field thirds. Perhaps some Elthamites can elaborate further.
As a former Elthamite and current Gippslandite and member or Elthams 2002 under 19's Grand final team it saddens and frustraits me that the club struggles to field a 3rds team. Why it is i wouldnt have a clue but if i am back living in Melbourne next year as i hope i will be, i will gladly volunteer to help get the under 19's back off the ground.
Exposed, what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I will say it again, sure I play in it, and I'm fat a, slow and a thug, that's why i play in it.
Mattyr you are a legend..luv
your one messed up kid thats right kid! dont forget about ur age on your profile buddy!!! :cool:
As a former Elthamite and current Gippslandite and member or Elthams 2002 under 19's Grand final team it saddens and frustraits me that the club struggles to field a 3rds team. Why it is i wouldnt have a clue but if i am back living in Melbourne next year as i hope i will be, i will gladly volunteer to help get the under 19's back off the ground.
There is no proven formula for success in aclimatising your juniors into the senior ranks and I can only speak from experience as a former coach of 8 seasons at Research Juniors and currently upto my 11th season at Lower as a supporter, team manager and committee person and from my position the care factor is the most important, at Lower we have a player with a long term injury who we have given the role of helping out the Research U/17`s on a regular basis with specialist one on one or group drills, the player in question has grasped the opportunity sensationally and inturn the Research U/17`s have become his player sponsor as a sign of appreciation. We also have other senior players such as Mario Bandera, Mark White, Brad Kayll etc who have gone up to help with the development of the U/17`s. As aresult of this you would be hard pressed to find any Research U/17 who would play elsewhere but Lower next season. We also have them train with us on a regular basis and have had numerous senior players watch their games throughout the season as well as our senior,reserve and thirds coach. So it`s not rocket science if you show a bit of genuine concern for your junior club and it`s development then the rewards are there for all concerned. I think the problem with some clubs is they just take it for granted that because the kids play juniors in the same jumper, they will just follow onto the senior club. Times have changed and kids are prepared to excercise there option of choice and those clubs that fail to recognise this will suffer the consequences.
As a former Elthamite and current Gippslandite and member or Elthams 2002 under 19's Grand final team it saddens and frustraits me that the club struggles to field a 3rds team. Why it is i wouldnt have a clue but if i am back living in Melbourne next year as i hope i will be, i will gladly volunteer to help get the under 19's back off the ground.
You wouldn't have happened to be my opening bowling partner in Under 16s when you were top age and I was bottom aged when we were coached by the fantastic Trap Daw?
Also, were you called onto the MCG by Russell Gilbert when Australia played Brazil in like 2000?
Finals at Eltham is a Finals should be played at the best venues and if Eltham is rated as one of the best then it must be of a very bad bunch can i get some ratings,best to worst,not just surface,not hot dogs.best for dvfl football finals? without putting any thought into it :o bundoora heidelberg, eltham, montmorency, epping,, greensborough, diamo, northcote park, north heidelberg, lalor, reservoir, west preston, heidelberg west, whittlesea, watsonia, lower plenty, mernda, thomastown, ive never been to parkside,wallan or fawkner to see footy,so i cant say anything there.macleod,panton hill,sth morang,kinglake and hurstbridge are a long way off at the moment.
touch of class
7 Jul 2006, 21:41
Finals at Eltham is a Finals should be played at the best venues and if Eltham is rated as one of the best then it must be of a very bad bunch can i get some ratings,best to worst,not just surface,not hot dogs.best for dvfl football finals? without putting any thought into it :o bundoora heidelberg, eltham, montmorency, epping,, greensborough, diamo, northcote park, north heidelberg, lalor, reservoir, west preston, heidelberg west, whittlesea, watsonia, lower plenty, mernda, thomastown, ive never been to parkside,wallan or fawkner to see footy,so i cant say anything there.macleod,panton hill,sth morang,kinglake and hurstbridge are a long way off at the moment.
epping is the best and should always have finals and in div2 i have not played at every ground and some i havent been to for a few years but reservoir was ok when i last was there and the whittlesea showgrounds was good last year when we played diamond creek in a practice game last yr and in closing the dv couldnt be serious about eltham it has good parking but thats about it the ground is not big enough and it has synthetic in one pocket surely not suitable for the best sides playing for the premiership
epping is the best and should always have finals and in div2 i have not played at every ground and some i havent been to for a few years but reservoir was ok when i last was there and the whittlesea showgrounds was good last year when we played diamond creek in a practice game last yr and in closing the dv couldnt be serious about eltham it has good parking but thats about it the ground is not big enough and it has synthetic in one pocket surely not suitable for the best sides playing for the premiership
i put bundoora first because of its central location for all teams.epping would be great if the wind didnt decide games.about 15 years ago the league were going to take over C.T.Barling reserve in reservoir/bundoora as their premier venue.nothing ever came of it as usual,but the idea was to have a home for finals,a dvfl showpiece.
melbdocker
8 Jul 2006, 18:21
Fantastic win for the creekers today over mony was a pretty good game for 3 quaters aswell just bottled up a little in the last desprately trying to hold on for a win and it paid off. Whats even better news is how many young kids creek had playing today 4 under 19's and 1 under 17.
Also bad luck to the 2's who went down by a point to a side that hasnt lost a game a very questionable umpiring desicion in the last quater that gave mont a goal really hurt the boys and i'm not one for umpire bashing but if thats the standard for div 1 reserves then the league is really struggling
mitch_fc
8 Jul 2006, 19:18
You wouldn't have happened to be my opening bowling partner in Under 16s when you were top age and I was bottom aged when we were coached by the fantastic Trap Daw?
Also, were you called onto the MCG by Russell Gilbert when Australia played Brazil in like 2000?
**** off hoggy....
BEARS BEAT THE BEARS TODAY............ GO BEARS
Rough_Edges
8 Jul 2006, 19:19
DIAMO!!!
beat Monty :)
great goal by timmy.
**** off hoggy....
BEARS BEAT THE BEARS TODAY............ GO BEARS
Sorry Mitch I was off watching some dodgy D4 ammo footy today (nephew thing) so a match report woud be good, I`ll pass on the goalkickers though but I`m sure you`ll let us know that your good self was again amongst the action today.
Fantastic win for the creekers today over mony was a pretty good game for 3 quaters aswell just bottled up a little in the last desprately trying to hold on for a win and it paid off. Whats even better news is how many young kids creek had playing today 4 under 19's and 1 under 17.
Also bad luck to the 2's who went down by a point to a side that hasnt lost a game a very questionable umpiring desicion in the last quater that gave mont a goal really hurt the boys and i'm not one for umpire bashing but if thats the standard for div 1 reserves then the league is really struggling
Diamo beat Monty, now thats what I call being good for football, congrats Diamo but I`m sure there will be a few excuses trotted out by our friends down the hill. Great stuff.
Matchwinner, good to see you get a bit of recognition for today, granted I was not there but obviously you had good gameand I know you like to play it low key, but congratulations anyway, good to see good people get rewarded. Cheers m8. And what about the cockroach kicking 3 in the 2`s, is it true that Newby has announced his retirement in protest?
Have I mentioned yet about Mont getting done by Diamo, not to many tears at the Bearcave over that one, "Go Diamo"
mitch_fc
8 Jul 2006, 20:38
1st quater. Lower were ok, Thomo were ok. I think Lower lead.
2nd quarter. Lower poo. 2nd to footy, thomo pumped us.
2nd half. Lower turned it on, got first to footy, used it well, kicked goals, kept them to 2 goals. Fragale was good!
Elmore on top in 2nd half, Parsons kicking miracle goals, and Skelly getting more cheapys late, whilst trying to celebrate like a tool...
1st quater. Lower were ok, Thomo were ok. I think Lower lead.
2nd quarter. Lower poo. 2nd to footy, thomo pumped us.
2nd half. Lower turned it on, got first to footy, used it well, kicked goals, kept them to 2 goals. Fragale was good!
Elmore on top in 2nd half, Parsons kicking miracle goals, and Skelly getting more cheapys late, whilst trying to celebrate like a tool...
Thanks Mitcha, yes very good run down on game, spoke to a few of my spies they tell me Matchwinner was very good as well, one of my favourite Bears the old Matchie, very pleased to see him go well. Any thoughts?
I think your spot there Luva Chat, Maylin will most likely finish up this year especially if they finish on the bottom. It most likely won't be Eltham showing him the door but him leaving due to poor results he's had, as you said his record hasn't been that flash.
are you after a new job,john
mitch_fc
9 Jul 2006, 19:46
Thanks Mitcha, yes very good run down on game, spoke to a few of my spies they tell me Matchwinner was very good as well, one of my favourite Bears the old Matchie, very pleased to see him go well. Any thoughts?
the #10 did a very good job on Calafiore, or what ever his name is.
Crackers was awesome, worked his but off.
the #10 did a very good job on Calafiore, or what ever his name is.
Crackers was awesome, worked his but off.
Yes spoke to sum more spies today, confirmed Matchwinner was a 4 qtr effort, that Callafiore is a good young player but Matchwinner positioned his body pretty well against him and did the job and indeed Crackers was fantastic and having a great year as well.
are you after a new job,john
Heard that Gary "Rambo" Ramsay may have the Eltham job sewn up for next season.
diamolad
9 Jul 2006, 22:26
No offence lads but stuff lower. This week its all about the creek. The lads form para road didnt want it. A few of there money munchers went off the ground cleaner than when they went on.
And who said dv footy is in trouble?
GO THE CREEK.
word has it the boys had a corker night at loft afterwards. One of the best.
jetpak_1
9 Jul 2006, 22:34
No offence lads but stuff lower. This week its all about the creek. The lads form para road didnt want it. A few of there money munchers went off the ground cleaner than when they went on.
And who said dv footy is in trouble?
GO THE CREEK.
word has it the boys had a corker night at loft afterwards. One of the best.
hahah yes these lower boys certainly do love there computers... all i ever hear about of this thread is lower maybe make a new one named after the club if u all love talking about the one thing so much not having a go but just letting you lower boys no what its like coming from another dv divi one man
mitch_fc
9 Jul 2006, 22:57
hahah yes these lower boys certainly do love there computers... all i ever hear about of this thread is lower maybe make a new one named after the club if u all love talking about the one thing so much not having a go but just letting you lower boys no what its like coming from another dv divi one man
we actually joke about how we have hijacked this thread!!! so i can understand.
good on the creekers though, great scalp for them.
Maybe thats why Loft was so full of blokes Satday night... too many bloody footy players!
Rough_Edges
9 Jul 2006, 22:59
How good is Brad for creek.
legend.
will be a force next season.
hahah yes these lower boys certainly do love there computers... all i ever hear about of this thread is lower maybe make a new one named after the club if u all love talking about the one thing so much not having a go but just letting you lower boys no what its like coming from another dv divi one man
Nothing wrong with being passionate is there? Feel free to post away, we won`t stop you and I imagine the Mont scribes may go into hibernation for a while.
bearfan
10 Jul 2006, 10:48
Interesting to see most of the Monty boys having a very big day at a local pub yesterday. Unusual way to celebrate a loss.
Noticed that Saul was BOG for Port Melb Colts on the weekend. Despite all shortcomings there is no argument that the bloke is a top footballer.
Jewelsandbullet
10 Jul 2006, 11:32
Nothing wrong with being passionate is there? Feel free to post away, we won`t stop you and I imagine the Mont scribes may go into hibernation for a while.
No point hibernating Brutal.
Well done creek - I don't really want to say it - however seeing them sing the song on the ground after the game, reminded me of what is was like prior to the last four years when Mont were a middle of the road team- and knocked off a top four side at the nest. Does wonders for the feeling around the club.. was an excellent vibe in the rooms post game. So... good on 'em.
For our part, we weren't real good.. Someone made a call about our "money munchers" not going in hard enough - in an earlier post- which is just horse sh ! t - our bigger name players battled hard Cutherbertson kicked four on a day not suited to forwards, Waston was our best player. Those at the game will agree, we got slaughtered in the ruck, its big area of concern for Mont at the moment.... and overall we were flat, and at times a little insipid. However Creek had first use of the pill all day and played their ground a treat.
Summed up well by T. Watson after the game: "What a sh i t loss"
Jewelsandbullet
10 Jul 2006, 11:37
Interesting to see most of the Monty boys having a very big day at a local pub yesterday. Unusual way to celebrate a loss.
Noticed that Saul was BOG for Port Melb Colts on the weekend. Despite all shortcomings there is no argument that the bloke is a top footballer.
Got next week off Bear ... no harm in a bit of soul searching
How's Robbie " Pumper " Wise been going?
Coach Hollywood
10 Jul 2006, 11:40
are you after a new job,john
No I'm not actually at the moment thanks Sparksy. I'm sure Gary Ramsey would be the bloke next in line for the job down at Eltham after Maylin anyway.
Hey lower boys, I will be down your neck off the woods this Saturday at about 2pm. I have never played on your ground before but have heard it is pretty small. What sort of condition is it in?
Should be a good hit out between two young sides. Havent got any ins & outs or any injuries you would like to tell me about have you.
Are one of you guys gonna shout me a beer for being a fellow big footy member!!
matchwinner
10 Jul 2006, 12:39
Hey lower boys, I will be down your neck off the woods this Saturday at about 2pm. I have never played on your ground before but have heard it is pretty small. What sort of condition is it in?
Should be a good hit out between two young sides. Havent got any ins & outs or any injuries you would like to tell me about have you.
Are one of you guys gonna shout me a beer for being a fellow big footy member!!
Yeh very small. No place to hide really. But surface has been excellent since they fixed it up a few years back. Not sure on where we are at with injuries until tomorrow night, but think we came through Saturday without too many concerns. Saw Briggsy didn't kick any Saturday. Did he play? And will our former captain be playing this week?
matchwinner
10 Jul 2006, 12:43
Giveyathemail, must really be crisis time down at Lalor? What has happened this year? Pre-season you were hopeful of pushing for a finals spot. Did you perform well above yourselves last year and this year is a better reflection of where you are at? What is the change from last year? Did you lose some crucial players in the off season or have you just been struck down with injuries this year? Would also be interested to know the reason behind the change of coach from last year when he took you to a flag in divi 2 and then to fifth spot in divi 1 last season??
Yeh very small. No place to hide really. But surface has been excellent since they fixed it up a few years back. Not sure on where we are at with injuries until tomorrow night, but think we came through Saturday without too many concerns. Saw Briggsy didn't kick any Saturday. Did he play? And will our former captain be playing this week?
Yeah he played, spent a bit of time in the backline. I think he kicked a couple of points but that is about it.
He will be playing and coaching this week as Sleethy is away on business.
We get a couple of in and under boys back this week which should help us in a bit of congestion on your small ground.
Kickass
10 Jul 2006, 13:35
Matchy, I don't want to steal GYTM 's thunder , but I'll have a crack from an outsiders point of view.
Having seen them on the weekend, it would appear that they have an enormous amount of injuries at the moment and are lacking depth of experience players to replace their outs.
Their seconds side was older than most other 2's in Divy 1 and there was probably only 1-2 that could be considered to have a run in their 1's if required, so this too would also be compounding their present predicament.
On the upside, they do have some impressive kids coming through and being blooded through the 1's will help them develop quickly. However, their young bodies at the moment don't allow for the hard physical contact demanded of Divy 1 football, and this allows me to say in a very nice way; "Lalor are the softest they have ever been.". I'm not mocking, just stating the facts, but they will improve given time and a bit of luck in the injury department.
joshooaa
10 Jul 2006, 14:22
You wouldn't have happened to be my opening bowling partner in Under 16s when you were top age and I was bottom aged when we were coached by the fantastic Trap Daw?
Also, were you called onto the MCG by Russell Gilbert when Australia played Brazil in like 2000?
Very good hoggy, you've cracked Da Josh code.
Interesting side story, I wasnt actually chosen to go on the ground that night but just jumped the fence on to the arena in front of about 70,000( gee I was confident back then) and pretended that i had been chosen. They bought it as you remeber hoggy and i ended up with a free nike soccer t shirt and my ugly head on the big screen talking to Russell Gilbert. It gave me some fame around school for a while :)
joshooaa
10 Jul 2006, 14:25
epping is the best and should always have finals and in div2 i have not played at every ground and some i havent been to for a few years but reservoir was ok when i last was there and the whittlesea showgrounds was good last year when we played diamond creek in a practice game last yr and in closing the dv couldnt be serious about eltham it has good parking but thats about it the ground is not big enough and it has synthetic in one pocket surely not suitable for the best sides playing for the premiership
Eltham ground not big enough?? Its probably one of the larger sized grounds in the league. WHat are you on about there??
diamolad
10 Jul 2006, 14:46
Eltham ground not big enough?? Its probably one of the larger sized grounds in the league. WHat are you on about there??
The synthetic in the pocket is a disgrace. What will it take to get that changed? a player to break their neck.
Also to jewels and bullets. I was commentin on one player in particular who played across half back and didnt look interested all day. Walked off the ground as clean as a whistle and shirked the issue a few times. Heard he was on some good kanga down their.
Kickass
10 Jul 2006, 15:28
The synthetic in the pocket is a disgrace. What will it take to get that changed? a player to break their neck.
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The Practice pitches in the pocket @ Eltham are not ideal, but have been approved as safe to play on. There have been no incidents since they have been there (3-5 years) with exception of perhaps some carpet burn which is not disimilar to grass burn that you could get on any ground , anywhere.
And to be perfectly honest, I don't think that it is any different to any other oval that has a cricket pitch running through the middle of it (most DVFL grounds) except that it is in an obscure part of the ground (deep forward pocket). and therefore less traffic across it.
It also provides a perfect target for forwards to launch leads to on a wintry day, as it gives you plenty of traction when kicking for goals.:D
Hey lower boys, I will be down your neck off the woods this Saturday at about 2pm. I have never played on your ground before but have heard it is pretty small. What sort of condition is it in?
Should be a good hit out between two young sides. Havent got any ins & outs or any injuries you would like to tell me about have you.
Are one of you guys gonna shout me a beer for being a fellow big footy member!!
You`ll be hardpressed to get a beer out any of the others Moxy, but if you ask for me I`ll buy you one and if we win I`ll shout you all night. Only one injury from weekend, probably should have a few back in though.
Giveyathemail, must really be crisis time down at Lalor? What has happened this year? Pre-season you were hopeful of pushing for a finals spot. Did you perform well above yourselves last year and this year is a better reflection of where you are at? What is the change from last year? Did you lose some crucial players in the off season or have you just been struck down with injuries this year? Would also be interested to know the reason behind the change of coach from last year when he took you to a flag in divi 2 and then to fifth spot in divi 1 last season??
Probably loseing Robbo with that horrific injury did not help, from all reports was a tough as nails type good footballer who would have been handy around the young guys.
Tiger Champ
10 Jul 2006, 18:04
Eltham ground not big enough?? Its probably one of the larger sized grounds in the league. WHat are you on about there??
The decision to play some finals at Eltham is bad for the DVFL.
i thought the finals should be held at a good venue so it can be a showpiece for the DVFL.
Eltham ground has the worst surface in the Division one grounds.
The change room leave a lot to be desired.
There is not enough parking for finals games.
Ask all Division One clubs and i would be surprised if any of them would agree with playing finals there.
What about the Preston VFL ground or waringal Park -Heidelberg or Heidelberg Park (West Heidelberg's ground.
They all have good surfaces.Central for people to get to. Plenty of parking.
melbdocker
10 Jul 2006, 19:17
diamolad i think i know who u are talking about did he play a few seasons at carlton res? cause if it is the boy can play but both times has been held really well by simon perryman. Tell ur mate macca to keep his shirt on when he goes out to the city aswell would ya
just on finals grounds they cant play them at waringal park cause a few yrs ago a women wanted to walk her dog though the park area and she was denied unless she paid to get in so she threatend to sew the coucil or dvfl or some crap so they wont play finals there ne more, went and saw a game at heid west this yr and that would be a great place for finals great ground but might be the same thing as waringal
touch of class
10 Jul 2006, 19:32
Eltham ground not big enough?? Its probably one of the larger sized grounds in the league. WHat are you on about there??
you keep smoking crack mate eltham is 1 of the larger grounds are you serious the 50 m line is not 50 it might be wide but it aint big stick to doing what you know best and go down on blokes
Have A Crack
10 Jul 2006, 19:51
you keep smoking crack mate eltham is 1 of the larger grounds are you serious the 50 m line is not 50 it might be wide but it aint big stick to doing what you know best and go down on blokes
Get Fair Dinkum Touch Of Class.
Eltham's ground for a final is a dead set joke!!!!!!!!
touch of class
10 Jul 2006, 20:20
Get Fair Dinkum Touch Of Class.
Eltham's ground for a final is a dead set joke!!!!!!!!
get off whatever your smoking and actually read what i wrote and if you cant understand that i hate eltham and there footy ground its the worst place to play footy in div 1
get off whatever your smoking and actually read what i wrote and if you cant understand that i hate eltham and there footy ground its the worst place to play footy in div 1
hahaha :D
sparksy
10 Jul 2006, 20:41
you keep smoking crack mate eltham is 1 of the larger grounds are you serious the 50 m line is not 50 it might be wide but it aint big stick to doing what you know best and go down on blokes
didnt realise you and joshooaa were so close.how about we wait and see how the ground comes up for the 2nd div final,if its no good the league will shift the div 1 game like they did the other year.i cant see what difference it makes to anyone from westgarth st anyway.unless you win some more games it could be kinglake in june,then you can give us a snow report
touch of class
10 Jul 2006, 20:59
well i know when we won our 4 flags we wouldnt of wanted our players playing on a ground like eltham as for now the finals are played between the 4 best teams and deserve the best ground with the best facilities to play on and i believe epping is the best it has decent size change rooms it has big areas on both sides for pre game warm up the parking is the best of any ground the surface has always been up to scratch in late august early september and we at westgarth st know all about that and this topic came up a few weeks ago i only gave my opinion like i do with every other topic and just in case you didnt realise our u19s have played in every finals series since about 98 so we have a little bit of a reason for concern
sparksy
10 Jul 2006, 21:45
well i know when we won our 4 flags we wouldnt of wanted our players playing on a ground like eltham as for now the finals are played between the 4 best teams and deserve the best ground with the best facilities to play on and i believe epping is the best it has decent size change rooms it has big areas on both sides for pre game warm up the parking is the best of any ground the surface has always been up to scratch in late august early september and we at westgarth st know all about that and this topic came up a few weeks ago i only gave my opinion like i do with every other topic and just in case you didnt realise our u19s have played in every finals series since about 98 so we have a little bit of a reason for concern
i know there are better places than eltham,but,i didnt make the decision to play there.im glad they did,i only live 5 mins away and will be doing anything i can to help out.on the 19s,is there any reason div 1 dont play more friday night games.from what ive seen div 2 get reasonable crowds and the clubs have another chance to make a bit of cash
WRFLfan
10 Jul 2006, 22:12
Got next week off Bear ... no harm in a bit of soul searching
Bear fan maybe we could catch you at the game next week to watch Saul at Spottswood he goes very well the boy and had a night out with the boys which was very enjoyable and trouble free. See you there hey?
diamolad
10 Jul 2006, 22:53
diamolad i think i know who u are talking about did he play a few seasons at carlton res? cause if it is the boy can play but both times has been held really well by simon perryman. Tell ur mate macca to keep his shirt on when he goes out to the city aswell would ya
just on finals grounds they cant play them at waringal park cause a few yrs ago a women wanted to walk her dog though the park area and she was denied unless she paid to get in so she threatend to sew the coucil or dvfl or some crap so they wont play finals there ne more, went and saw a game at heid west this yr and that would be a great place for finals great ground but might be the same thing as waringal
Played very well the rump on the weekend. Done ok at footy as well. HAHA.
Spot on docker, the geeza i am talking about did play at carlton ressies. Simmo towelled him up but his attitude didnt help form all reports.
NewsFlash
10 Jul 2006, 23:22
you keep smoking crack mate eltham is 1 of the larger grounds are you serious the 50 m line is not 50 it might be wide but it aint big stick to doing what you know best and go down on blokes
toc, do what you do best.....keep suc king your dads **** for $2.00!
touch of class
10 Jul 2006, 23:50
toc, do what you do best.....keep suc king your dads **** for $2.00!
are you still dirty on the world cause you were smashed with the ugly stick at birth relax mate go and get your head some regular panel beating and you will be right as for what you and your sister do for a living keep that s h i t to yourself all i can say is get a paper round or start robbing old ladies that surely must be better than getting past around all your dads mates
p.s if this is you m webber back under a new name f u c k off i offered to meet up with you to sort out a few things instead of hideing behind a computer snd you cowered like the weak dog you are and didnt show so stop sniffing your retarded sisters undies and get a life
NewsFlash
10 Jul 2006, 23:54
are you still dirty on the world cause you were smashed with the ugly stick at birth relax mate go and get your head some regular panel beating and you will be right as for what you and your sister do for a living keep that s h i t to yourself all i can say is get a paper round or start robbing old ladies that surely must be better than getting past around all your dads mates
p.s if this is you m webber back under a new name f u c k off i offered to meet up with you to sort out a few things instead of hideing behind a computer snd you cowered like the weak dog you are and didnt show so stop sniffing your retarded sisters undies and get a life
webber? talking from experience toc
touch of class
10 Jul 2006, 23:57
webber? talking from experience toc
nah your mum likes to spill the beans about her family just b4 she goes down on me
bearfan
11 Jul 2006, 08:03
Moxy,
Happy to buy you a beer after the game.
By the way we are having a Poker Night after the game (professionally run with proper tables etc). $20 ph 7.30 Kick off . Any Wallan boys interested would be more than welcome.
Jewelsandbullet
11 Jul 2006, 10:04
Played very well the rump on the weekend. Done ok at footy as well. HAHA.
Spot on docker, the geeza i am talking about did play at carlton ressies. Simmo towelled him up but his attitude didnt help form all reports.
He is tagged every week, and usually is able to break free. Also question the help he gets from team mates at times...he is always is singled out for treatment and not enough blokes fly the flag. I didn't think he was great, but I don't think you can question his commitment.
Everyone is entitled to a bad day Diamo - doesn't mean he shirks issues.
Yep Gutto goes OK but is very easily put of his game.
One of those blokes who you just need to get in his ear, get every one yapping to him. Call him overrated, tell him he is a squib and it appears he takes the bait every single time. ANd J& B all the good players get tagged, Watto gets it every weak, just got run it off and not listen to the garbage.
But Gutto is very susceptible to a verbal barrage.
Jewelsandbullet
11 Jul 2006, 11:32
[QUOTE=Dwight]Yep Gutto goes OK but is very easily put of his game.
One of those blokes who you just need to get in his ear, get every one yapping to him. Call him overrated, tell him he is a squib and it appears he takes the bait every single time. ANd J& B all the good players get tagged, Watto gets it every weak, just got run it off and not listen to the garbage.
I agree.
No doubt his susceptibility is why he is targeted. Regardless he has still managed to play some got football this year, and i don't think he is actually soft.
I just think when 4 or 5 opposition players are getting into him at any one time, we have been missing some on field leadership in helping out in that regard. Whatever people think of blokes like Jai, and someone like Dion if he gets his licence back for next year - they are valuable in the sense that they fly the flag... Heidelberg treated us like bitches in that area.
AndyBoy
11 Jul 2006, 11:50
Seems like a very interesting day down at Diamo on the weekend..... Great to see an underdog get up...... Nothing beta then seeing a young team take it up to one of the best.....
Spoke to a couple of the blokes in Monts 2's and they said they definatley used the get out of jail free card...... The boys said they were lucky and it was handy havin the things in orange on there side for the final quarter in particular a 25m after a bad decision to give Mont a very valuble goal.
They also commented how hard at it and discplined the Diamo two's were as they had a game plan and stuck to it
AndyBoy
11 Jul 2006, 11:52
Seems like a very interesting day down at Diamo on the weekend..... Great to see an underdog get up...... Nothing beta then seeing a young team take it up to one of the best.....
Spoke to a couple of the blokes in Monts 2's and they said they definatley used the get out of jail free card...... The boys said they were lucky and it was handy havin the things in orange on there side for the final quarter in particular a 25m after a bad decision to give Mont a very valuble goal.
They also commented how hard at it and discplined the Diamo two's were as they had a game plan and stuck. No matter wat Hoofy (Mont's 2's Coach) tried they had an answer.
Moxy,
Happy to buy you a beer after the game.
By the way we are having a Poker Night after the game (professionally run with proper tables etc). $20 ph 7.30 Kick off . Any Wallan boys interested would be more than welcome.
Sounds good bearfan.
We will come and take the 4pts plus all your cash aswell!!!!!!!!! :)
True JB, some guys walk taller when others are out there. Every club has them. What is wrong with Jai?
Did see the Heidelberg game and Monty were very weak over the ball, got pushed around and Gutto was targeted, put in the gun. I think that the every good player who comes back to the DVFL has to get used to being the target. Gutto will learn. Having Watto out there will help him heaps. Just needs to follow Watto and he will get 10 handballs a week from Timmy out of the pack.
How dumb is the DVFL palying on Queens birthday then having a spilt round?
Just dumb.
Giveyathemail
11 Jul 2006, 13:15
Matchy, I don't want to steal GYTM 's thunder , but I'll have a crack from an outsiders point of view.
Having seen them on the weekend, it would appear that they have an enormous amount of injuries at the moment and are lacking depth of experience players to replace their outs.
Their seconds side was older than most other 2's in Divy 1 and there was probably only 1-2 that could be considered to have a run in their 1's if required, so this too would also be compounding their present predicament.
On the upside, they do have some impressive kids coming through and being blooded through the 1's will help them develop quickly. However, their young bodies at the moment don't allow for the hard physical contact demanded of Divy 1 football, and this allows me to say in a very nice way; "Lalor are the softest they have ever been.". I'm not mocking, just stating the facts, but they will improve given time and a bit of luck in the injury department.
Are you kidding yourself or what??? SOFT???
We have 8 kids under 20 playing in that side, 5 of them have 10 games or less. Not once has any of our side shirked an issue. We might be injury riddled and inexperienced, but I resent the fact that you could even say that, considering the club you support. Each and every bloke that pulls on a jumper has a red hot go. Your not just given a jumper at Lalor mate, you have to earn it. You dont get a run if you dont have ticker, plain and simple... There is no nice way to say what you did, so dont sit there behind your screen and be cynical.
Look at our best players on the weekend, 3 out of 5 blokes under 20, with less than 30 games between them. We are having a rough time of it, but we should see the return of 10-15 senior players after the break which will help. That is the upside for us.... unlike your mob, who ran out with their best 22 on Saturday. Full credit to Eltham, they won the game and deserved to do so on the day... but I wouldnt get too carried away KA. If thats the best you got, then I guess time will tell who will have the last laugh.
tugga177
11 Jul 2006, 13:24
Hey mailman,
You must be pretty thick skinned judging by the way you just cried your way through kickasses comments. Theres no way you could be soft.
Giveyathemail
11 Jul 2006, 13:32
Hey mailman,
You must be pretty thick skinned judging by the way you just cried your way through kickasses comments. Theres no way you could be soft.
Yeah thats right Tugga, it devastates me to the point of wanting to finding a rope and necking up mate...
Tough times dont last, tough people do. Unlike alot of clubs, ours actually bands together in times of crisis, not fall apart. Plenty of fight in us yet. Kickass comes from a club called Eltham, who have no buisness in calling anyone soft.
You know Tugga some people actually say that the username people select on public forums actually reflects the person and their personality in alot of ways...
Funny that :)
Giveyathemail
11 Jul 2006, 13:57
Giveyathemail, must really be crisis time down at Lalor? What has happened this year? Pre-season you were hopeful of pushing for a finals spot. Did you perform well above yourselves last year and this year is a better reflection of where you are at? What is the change from last year? Did you lose some crucial players in the off season or have you just been struck down with injuries this year? Would also be interested to know the reason behind the change of coach from last year when he took you to a flag in divi 2 and then to fifth spot in divi 1 last season??
Its probably more like an epidemic this year with our injuries mate. We were pretty lucky in that regard last year. Gav Langbourne wanted to step aside as coach for personal reasons. You will see our results improve over the next few weeks with the return of quite a few key players Matchwinner.
wonderman
11 Jul 2006, 14:40
Its probably more like an epidemic this year with our injuries mate. We were pretty lucky in that regard last year. Gav Langbourne wanted to step aside as coach for personal reasons. You will see our results improve over the next few weeks with the return of quite a few key players Matchwinner.
That was Scotty Morrison playing on Saturday???,
Giveyathemail
11 Jul 2006, 14:44
That was Scotty Morrison playing on Saturday???,
Thats right, son of the Rat who was beaming with pride at the way his boy attacked the footy and made a contest at every opportunity in his first senior game on the weekend.
Mr.Baldy
11 Jul 2006, 19:56
Yeah thats right Tugga, it devastates me to the point of wanting to finding a rope and necking up mate...
Tough times dont last, tough people do. Unlike alot of clubs, ours actually bands together in times of crisis, not fall apart. Plenty of fight in us yet. Kickass comes from a club called Eltham, who have no buisness in calling anyone soft.
You know Tugga some people actually say that the username people select on public forums actually reflects the person and their personality in alot of ways...
Funny that :)
I guess im in strife then..
Have A Crack
11 Jul 2006, 20:07
I guess im in strife then..
Get a real name you idiot!!!!!!
Jewelsandbullet
11 Jul 2006, 20:07
I guess im in strife then..
Ha! :D
Nice debut.
Jewelsandbullet
11 Jul 2006, 20:09
Get a real name you idiot!!!!!!
Sorry for encouraging - gave me a chuckle though.
sparksy
11 Jul 2006, 20:20
Are you kidding yourself or what??? SOFT???
We have 8 kids under 20 playing in that side, 5 of them have 10 games or less. Not once has any of our side shirked an issue. We might be injury riddled and inexperienced, but I resent the fact that you could even say that, considering the club you support. Each and every bloke that pulls on a jumper has a red hot go. Your not just given a jumper at Lalor mate, you have to earn it. You dont get a run if you dont have ticker, plain and simple... There is no nice way to say what you did, so dont sit there behind your screen and be cynical.
Look at our best players on the weekend, 3 out of 5 blokes under 20, with less than 30 games between them. We are having a rough time of it, but we should see the return of 10-15 senior players after the break which will help. That is the upside for us.... unlike your mob, who ran out with their best 22 on Saturday. Full credit to Eltham, they won the game and deserved to do so on the day... but I wouldnt get too carried away KA. If thats the best you got, then I guess time will tell who will have the last laugh.
gytm,after all the crap that was posted about eltham and their supporters after the rd 3 game i expected more of a contest.eltham are NOTat full strength and they need the break,just like plenty of others. in a 1/2 time chat in the rooms with a lalor bloke about fawkner,whom sounded just like you post.interesting opinions all with lalor at heart.
diamolad
11 Jul 2006, 20:22
now im not one to sook bout umps andyboy but they were a disgarce in the twos on saturday at the creek. We were robbed. Not only the ones that were paid toi monty, but the ones pad against were a disgrace. Umpire stood and watched a creek bloke get slung to the ground by some monty bloke when the ball was 50 m away. It was an absolute joke.
sparksy
11 Jul 2006, 20:38
now im not one to sook bout umps andyboy but they were a disgarce in the twos on saturday at the creek. We were robbed. Not only the ones that were paid toi monty, but the ones pad against were a disgrace. Umpire stood and watched a creek bloke get slung to the ground by some monty bloke when the ball was 50 m away. It was an absolute joke.
lets save a heap of time and only talk about the good decisions.
Jewelsandbullet
11 Jul 2006, 20:41
True JB, some guys walk taller when others are out there. Every club has them. What is wrong with Jai?
Did see the Heidelberg game and Monty were very weak over the ball, got pushed around and Gutto was targeted, put in the gun. I think that the every good player who comes back to the DVFL has to get used to being the target. Gutto will learn. Having Watto out there will help him heaps. Just needs to follow Watto and he will get 10 handballs a week from Timmy out of the pack.
How dumb is the DVFL palying on Queens birthday then having a spilt round?
Just dumb.
Sorry Dwight missed your questions earlier: Jai - torn bicep muscle - could be back after the break.
and as usual I agree, DUMB
melbdocker
11 Jul 2006, 22:47
wouldnt be much of a forum if we talked about the umps good decisions
the long weekend and split round worked well for us at creek and i'm sure the guys at northcote park lol, as i was the only 1 at the club that didnt invaid the murray i saw greensborough smash heid west and i reckon they would be a handy side in div 1 this yr.
just the last thing on gutto the guy who played on him played some good footy at the bullants aswell and is easly out best player with out standing out every week not the kind of bloke to sledge and get stuck in but very smart and has just out played him twice this season now
Coach Hollywood
11 Jul 2006, 23:44
Who was the bloke who played on Gutto MelbDocker?
Also heard Luke Carey has finally gone to hill, is that true? Any others gone up with him?
diamolad
12 Jul 2006, 10:26
simon perryman played on gutto.
Luke carey signed a clearence a few weeks back. No one else went with him, which might tell u why he went in the first place.
AndyBoy
12 Jul 2006, 11:20
simon perryman played on gutto.
Luke carey signed a clearence a few weeks back. No one else went with him, which might tell u why he went in the first place.
boys on Luke Carey..... first game for his dad.... oops i mean the hill and he did his hammy (third time this season) in the first quarter.... :D wat a shame...................
Also how did Bobo go in the ruck???? Interesting move when there were other options i am told......
Giveyathemail
12 Jul 2006, 13:11
gytm,after all the crap that was posted about eltham and their supporters after the rd 3 game i expected more of a contest.eltham are NOTat full strength and they need the break,just like plenty of others. in a 1/2 time chat in the rooms with a lalor bloke about fawkner,whom sounded just like you post.interesting opinions all with lalor at heart.
Wasnt me mate, I was next door copping an earful of Dasha's half time spray...
Dont get me wrong Sparksy, Eltham deserved their win. We just didnt come out after halftime, you guys did.
mitch_fc
12 Jul 2006, 13:32
Question to Matchwinner and Brutal. Has the standard of Lower Plenty training dropped the last few nights?
bearfan
12 Jul 2006, 13:52
Mitch,
In what context? Numbers, Skill level? intensity?
HotShoeShuffle
12 Jul 2006, 14:31
Mitch,
In what context? Numbers, Skill level? intensity?
which one is bearfan special code for, brutal or matchwinner ?
Jewelsandbullet
12 Jul 2006, 14:49
which one is bearfan special code for, brutal or matchwinner ?
Not heard from you for a while, where you been Shoe?
Getting involved in a bit Ammo banter?
Muttley
12 Jul 2006, 14:51
A splendid evening was had last night with the Heid players bowling the night away at the Ivanhoe Bowling Club. Bowlers were treated to a budget meal which was equally reflected in the 1980's bar prices. A special thanks to Percy for the coaching lesson although it didn't help Stuey McLeod. When his ball wasn't in the ditch at the end, it was in the ditch on the side. Fair dinkum! Murph and M Laing were marginally better.
Favrin, Power and Young took out the Crackerjack Cup for their respective teams. Well done fellows!
mitch_fc
12 Jul 2006, 14:53
Mitch,
In what context? Numbers, Skill level? intensity?
i'd assume the general mood would have dropped, the standard of training kits would have dropped, skill level, intensity, pre-training banter etc... im assuming all are down, i wouldn't know though, because i havent been for a couple weeks roobo!!!
matchwinner
12 Jul 2006, 14:55
Question to Matchwinner and Brutal. Has the standard of Lower Plenty training dropped the last few nights?
Things have actually gone up a gear Mitch. You're going to fall off the pace. Although judging by your last two performances you don't seem to need the training - have just been keeping yourself fresh during the week and then exploding on Saturday!