Next Captain Of Australia [Archive]

usalion

15 Apr 2006, 09:28

Big question for answerring this is how long Punter will stick as captain. If we don't get the Ashes back, Punter could get the sack as the skipper, and somebody like Hussey might get the gig, giving the younger guys a chance to grow into the role.

If he gets the Ashes back, he's set for another few years, in which case you'd have to look at Clarke as the heir apparent, especially with his sydney connection.

Only way white gets a shot is if he moves to NSW- then he COULD get a baggy green with his baggy blue...

Probably way too early to call- because we ill get the Ashes back.....

Star

15 Apr 2006, 09:49

Big question for answerring this is how long Punter will stick as captain. If we don't get the Ashes back, Punter could get the sack as the skipper, and somebody like Hussey might get the gig, giving the younger guys a chance to grow into the role..

Have to disagree on a couple of points here. Hussey is only months younger than Punter so any decision based on youth would not be an issue here.

Secondly, I can't see Ponting getting the sack even after a disasterous Ashes campaing, he is getting better at his job and has a brilliant record.

To the question at hand, the only logical heir apparent at this stage is Clarke and even then, he needs a big 12 months or so to just consolidate his position in the team otherwise I'd have to say the next long term skipper is not even in the team at the moment

bushranger

15 Apr 2006, 10:10

Freo Big Fella

15 Apr 2006, 10:12

usalion

15 Apr 2006, 10:48

Have to disagree on a couple of points here. Hussey is only months younger than Punter so any decision based on youth would not be an issue here.

Secondly, I can't see Ponting getting the sack even after a disasterous Ashes campaing, he is getting better at his job and has a brilliant record.

To the question at hand, the only logical heir apparent at this stage is Clarke and even then, he needs a big 12 months or so to just consolidate his position in the team otherwise I'd have to say the next long term skipper is not even in the team at the moment

Point One- Hussey only possible if Ponting is sacked by the start of 2007- in fact, he is the logical choice if that happens...

Second Point- Show me how he is getting better. His decision to bowl at edgbaston AFTER McGrath went down injured was clearly one of the worst decisions ever. He has shown a tendency to not use bowlers properly- only giving a few overs to guys who may need a few to get settled. Eddie has pointed out poor field placing- I can't really comment on that, as I haven't seen an Aussie match in years- but it seems that gaps are there that Tugga or Tubby would have sealed tighter than a good bottle of red.

Sorry, beating the teams we have played recently is no great shakes- in many ways, Punter was more dominant in the opening part of his captaincy than he has been in the last 12 months....

Third point- would agree with you on that...Clarke is the logical choice down the road, but must cement his place, which doesn't look set right now.

Blues_Man

15 Apr 2006, 11:01

we should have white in the team as the allrounder and develop him and get warney and macgill to help him with his bowling. White is also good in the batting department for a allrounder as he is like ian harvey can make 50's when u need him.

we do this white can be better then freddie we just got to get him in there.

White then can be our next captain.
maybe warie and mc'gill could bowl for white..thats the only way he could hold his place in the side ...give up ..the bloke can't even turn a ball .. he wouldn't even make the Victorian team as a bowler .

all rounders need to be able to bat and Bowl ...White has yet to prove he can do either at the highest level

Blues_Man

15 Apr 2006, 11:06

Point One- Hussey only possible if Ponting is sacked by the start of 2007- in fact, he is the logical choice if that happens...

Second Point- Show me how he is getting better. His decision to bowl at edgbaston AFTER McGrath went down injured was clearly one of the worst decisions ever. He has shown a tendency to not use bowlers properly- only giving a few overs to guys who may need a few to get settled. Eddie has pointed out poor field placing- I can't really comment on that, as I haven't seen an Aussie match in years- but it seems that gaps are there that Tugga or Tubby would have sealed tighter than a good bottle of red.

Sorry, beating the teams we have played recently is no great shakes- in many ways, Punter was more dominant in the opening part of his captaincy than he has been in the last 12 months....

Third point- would agree with you on that...Clarke is the logical choice down the road, but must cement his place, which doesn't look set right now.
What a load of garbage ...that post is almost eddie like in it's substance .

I love the way you are willing to listen to eddie moron in regard to field placings when all and sundry on this board know the bloke is a biased tool .

and you claim Tubby and tugger would have tightened up these gaps that you have not even seen :rolleyes:

.How does Pontings record stand up to other captains ???

Woodstock..

15 Apr 2006, 11:35

White and Hussey are the best captains out of the choices

Star

15 Apr 2006, 11:38

Second Point- Show me how he is getting better. His decision to bowl at edgbaston AFTER McGrath went down injured was clearly one of the worst decisions ever. He has shown a tendency to not use bowlers properly- only giving a few overs to guys who may need a few to get settled. Eddie has pointed out poor field placing- I can't really comment on that, as I haven't seen an Aussie match in years- but it seems that gaps are there that Tugga or Tubby would have sealed tighter than a good bottle of red.

I'm not sure you can pull out a decision made over a dozen tests ago to rebuke my 'he's getting better' point. Besides the decision to bowl would have been made in consultation with the other members of the team. A bit of luck and Australia would have had a few wickets that morning.

The guy leads from the front and is making do with an increasingly inferior 'list' to what Tugga and Tubby had to deal with.

usalion

15 Apr 2006, 12:01

What a load of garbage ...that post is almost eddie like in it's substance .

I love the way you are willing to listen to eddie moron in regard to field placings when all and sundry on this board know the bloke is a biased tool .

and you claim Tubby and tugger would have tightened up these gaps that you have not even seen :rolleyes:

.How does Pontings record stand up to other captains ???

Fantastic to see that you are adding useful contributions of your usual standard. Point is, both Tubby and Tugga made moves that worked. I haven't seen much inspired action from Punter.

I'm using the positioning as an argument looking for comments...I'm not claiming to be an expert on field placeings.

From what I've followed in the last year- listening to the Ashes and the home tests, plus some of the South Africa series just concluded, I think Punter has lost a bit of an edge as a captain. And yes- I did see both tubby and Tugga as skippers...excellent leaders.

I worry more on his bowler use- if he gets down on a guy, he is gone for the match- and then other guys get overbowled. Does not show confidence in the 11 guys picked all the time.

Show me where Punter has exhibited the same ruthlessness. He has beaten up on weak opposition, and not done it with the greatest conviction, despite 11 out of 12 wins...

Roonaldo!

15 Apr 2006, 12:01

LOL Cam White, get f*cked mate.

usalion

15 Apr 2006, 12:06

I'm not sure you can pull out a decision made over a dozen tests ago to rebuke my 'he's getting better' point. Besides the decision to bowl would have been made in consultation with the other members of the team. A bit of luck and Australia would have had a few wickets that morning.

The guy leads from the front and is making do with an increasingly inferior 'list' to what Tugga and Tubby had to deal with.

Point taken on the talent pool- but do you think either Tugga or Tubby would have let the last test slide into a fifth day?

As for the toss, using that as an example- I don't see the same ruthjless aggression that made the team great.

Do I want Punter out as captain? No- I don't see a reasonable alternative.

Butt as a captain, he needs to lead the charge to get the Ashes back. If he doesn't, his head should be on the block. The squad is there to claim the urn back- but needs the inspiration from the skipper.

Grimreepah

15 Apr 2006, 12:10

Ponting is only 31. Steve Waugh played til he was 38, and as fit and cometitive and good as Ponting is all the signs are there that Ponting will play for a long time yet.

If Ponting doesn't keep the captaincy the whole time, I would be looking at Warne (if it is soon) or Hussey (if in a few years)

If Ponting does keep the captaincy the whole time, then Clarke is the only one in the squad young enough to be a successor. But there could possibly be a whole lot of other contenders. Of course this is purely speculation, but players like Cosgrove and Henriques, and others we haven't even heard of, would come under consideration.

embleygirl

15 Apr 2006, 12:33

Cameron White wtf?

Highly unlikely he'll play Test cricket for Australia let alone captain.

Cooldude

15 Apr 2006, 14:13

Puppy

The Reaper

15 Apr 2006, 15:11

we should have white in the team as the allrounder and develop him and get warney and macgill to help him with his bowling. White is also good in the batting department for a allrounder as he is like ian harvey can make 50's when u need him.

we do this white can be better then freddie we just got to get him in there.

White then can be our next captain.

White will never be as good as Freddie. All White can hope for is to be a useful bat who can average 40 in tests and a useful part time spinner. Flintoff is the second best fast bowler in the world at the moment in my opinion and is a more than useful bat.

If Terry Jenner can't teach White to spin than what chance does anyone else have?

If Ponting gets sacked, Hussey would be next.

However that is unlikely, when Ponting retires the next captain should be someone like Travis Birt.

F/D

15 Apr 2006, 15:17

White will never be as good as Freddie. All White can hope for is to be a useful bat who can average 40 in tests and a useful part time spinner. Flintoff is the second best fast bowler in the world at the moment in my opinion and is a more than useful bat.

If Terry Jenner can't teach White to spin than what chance does anyone else have?

If Ponting gets sacked, Hussey would be next.

However that is unlikely, when Ponting retires the next captain should be someone like Travis Birt.
Who is the best fast bowler in your opinion?

The Reaper

15 Apr 2006, 15:31

Who is the best fast bowler in your opinion?

Ntini.
Hoggard is third.

bushranger

15 Apr 2006, 15:32

warne hasn't even bothed to help whitey that proves what kind of team player warne is and his big ego.

i make a deal with qld now

we will give u warne for johnson or watson or even perren

F/D

15 Apr 2006, 15:34

Ntini.
Hoggard is third.
Yep, I agree.

Woodstock..

15 Apr 2006, 15:38

warne hasn't even bothed to help whitey that proves what kind of team player warne is and his big ego.

i make a deal with qld now

we will give u warne for johnson or watson or even perren *Hits self on the head*

Armageddon

15 Apr 2006, 15:48

warne hasn't even bothed to help whitey that proves what kind of team player warne is and his big ego.

i make a deal with qld now

we will give u warne for johnson or watson or even perren
I think you would find that he would have helped White, but FFS that is not his job.

Thank God you are not a selector for Victoria or they would be ********ted, but in fact, if you want to trade Warne for Johnson, us Queenslanders would oblige I think:thumbsu:

ALwaysNorth

15 Apr 2006, 16:03

Ntini.
Hoggard is third.

Over Glenn McGrath's dead body .

Minkus_Swan

15 Apr 2006, 16:05

Hussey? WTF are you smoking. :confused:

I have a gut feeling that Shane Watson will be the next captain of Australia. :D

Grimreepah

15 Apr 2006, 16:19

Hussey? WTF are you smoking. :confused:

I have a gut feeling that Shane Watson will be the next captain of Australia. :D

that thought brings a feeling to my gut as well.

ALwaysNorth

15 Apr 2006, 16:23

Hussey? WTF are you smoking. :confused:

I have a gut feeling that Shane Watson will be the next captain of Australia. :D

The bait is out ............................................................ . where is Gunnar

Woodstock..

15 Apr 2006, 16:45

Hussey? WTF are you smoking. :confused:

I have a gut feeling that Shane Watson will be the next captain of Australia. :D Can i have some of that crack your having??? it sounds like it effects you more than you bargain for :cool:

The Reaper

15 Apr 2006, 17:00

Over Glenn McGrath's dead body .

not on current form.

Grimreepah

15 Apr 2006, 17:08

not on current form.

how do you know?

He wasn't dropped you realise.

The Reaper

15 Apr 2006, 17:12

how do you know?

He wasn't dropped you realise.

I know he wasn't dropped but since he hasn't played any cricket for a while he has no current form. Ntini and Hoggard are in very good form.

raikkonen

15 Apr 2006, 17:25

warne hasn't even bothed to help whitey that proves what kind of team player warne is and his big ego.

i make a deal with qld now

we will give u warne for johnson or watson or even perren

OMG, I cant believe what a waynker you are. You must have your head stuck so far up your own a*se, that u dont realise that the S. Warne you want to trade for M. Johnson is the leading wicket taker in the history of test cricket. Warne must help white, because the Cullen boys over here said that when warney was here for the test match and the pura cup game, that he helped them with their game....now why would a victorian ever help a south australian over a fellow victorian? White must have been getting some pointers from warne, but he is either A: too greatly affected by the captaincy, or B: too shi- to take the advice, or C: is is just to sh-it full stop.

Shane warne is a team player, and if victorians had any sense he would be their captain when he is available. He has one of the best cricketing brains in the country, along with boof lehmann, and maybe even m. hussey.

When will you ever write something serious and stop being such a f***ing knob. :mad: :thumbsd:

As for the poll, im not voting because its such a ridiculous thread, well what you have written anyway, but it will definately not be cam white, he has to get a game first, He will never be anywhere near as good as freddie flintoff, and anyone that thinks so is a lunatic, or as some others have mentioned, be on pot or something.

pluga_4

15 Apr 2006, 19:05

You have not put enough options. I can tell you now it will not be Mike Hussey, he is to old.
As for Cameron White, well he will have enough trouble getting into the team.

don't write off hussy just yet. he was made vice captain for a recent 20/20 match and is regarded highly. he may captain in punter's absence for a one off match in the post gilchrist era.
waugh got the job at 33 and 8 months and held the job for the 2nd most tests by an australian (57), so age isn't the issue. besides if he is appointed captain, it may be as a stop gap captain for 12 months to groom the right man.

i say ponting has the job for as long as he wants it. aussies don't traditionally sack their captains. ponting still has a while at the top before someone eventually topples him.

i'll go out on a limb and say someone who hasn't made their debut yet will be the next long term skipper.

ALwaysNorth

15 Apr 2006, 19:56

Can i have some of that crack your having??? it sounds like it effects you more than you bargain for :cool:

I don't know about Watson ever captaining Australia but with the bat in FCC he averages 47 with ten centuries to White's 29 with one century , with the ball he averages 31 to White's 36 .

So on the all rounder +- index he's a +16 to White's -7 , I therefore would consider the inclusion of White's name as a Test Captain candidate more of a joke on the basis that he won't even play test cricket .

Cameron White's best attribute as a captain ? - not bowling himself when there is any batsmen left at the crease .

Smokey_22

15 Apr 2006, 22:47

those in the know, know that its been clarke for about 3 years now.

Sanguinarius

16 Apr 2006, 03:21

amazing how a guy who has no hope in hell of getting into the side (let alone CAPTAINING IT!) is on this list....

OH WAIT its bushranger - now it all makes sense. :thumbsd:

ALwaysNorth

16 Apr 2006, 11:04

those in the know, know that its been clarke for about 3 years now.

Three years ago it might have been , not now .

Lidge

16 Apr 2006, 11:25

Have no idea who'll be next, but I'm confident it isn't someone currently in the team.

Think about it - Ponting will play at least another 6-7 years. By then we'll have at least 10 new faces in the team. Clarke may be the only one left by then, but he aint captaincy material.

ALwaysNorth

16 Apr 2006, 13:16