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crows98
18 Apr 2006, 18:42
AFL Chief Executive Officer Andrew Demetriou today announced the AFL Commission had considered the Father / Son rule and its implications going forward for the NAB AFL Draft, at its meeting in Melbourne today.

Mr Demetriou said the Commission adopted a change to the Father / Son rule, which now stated there will be no 20-year qualifying period for the WA and SA-based clubs based on the immediate two decades in WAFL and SANFL football respectively before these teams entered the AFL competition, so as to ensure eligibility rules matched those of the other AFL clubs.

As such, the son of a player who reached the qualifying mark with either the WA or SA-based clubs prior to their entry into the competition would now be eligible to be taken as a father-son selection. (Previously, West Coast was bound by the period 1967-87, Fremantle 1975-95, Adelaide 1970-90 and Port Adelaide (1977-1997).

Mr Demetriou said the Father / Son player qualification limits for West Coast (which draws on Claremont, East Perth, West Perth and Subiaco from the WAFL ) and Fremantle (which draws on South Fremantle, East Fremantle, Perth and Swan Districts) would remain at 150 WAFL premiership games while the qualification limits were higher for the SA-based clubs at 200 premiership games to match the size of the player pools from the greater number of SANFL clubs for Adelaide (drawing on Norwood, Glenelg, Sturt and South Adelaide) and Port Adelaide (drawing on Port Mapgies, Woodville, North Adelaide, Central Districts, West Adelaide and West Torrens).

The Victorian-based clubs will continue to draw on their former player base only with their qualification to remain at 100 games, along with 100 games for the Brisbane Lions and Sydney (drawing on Fitzroy and South Melbourne players respectively).

All 100-game players in the AFL for any club continue to automatically qualify for Father / Son status, with this rule originally introduced to compensate for the period before the WA and SA-based sides entered the competition, with no access to Father / Son selections.

"The previous rule was based on a submission from the Adelaide Football Club in 2001, which had over-estimated the size of the pools available for the non-Victorian clubs to draw on as potential Father / Son selections," Mr Demetriou said.

"The AFL Draft Working group presented a detailed examination of all players who had qualified for father / son status with 100 games for Victorian-based clubs, along with a comparison of the pools available for 150 games in Western Australia and 200 games in South Australia.

"The restriction of a 20-year period for WA and SA reduced the number of players for those clubs to draw on, and also excluded players who had qualified at an earlier time.

"The removal of the 20-year qualification period prior to the entry of the WA and SA based clubs now brings a greater parity to the numbers of players that clubs can reasonably expect to draw a father / son selection.

"As such, the son of a player who reached the 150-game threshold with Swan Districts in 1974 would now be eligible for inclusion on the Fremantle list (even though it is more than 20 years before Fremantle joined the AFL), in the same way that a son of a player who reached 100 games for the Kangaroos in 1974 would be eligible for that club.

"There is no change to the rule whereby a player must have qualified in reaching the player games milestone before the new club entered the competition, meaning that West Coast's qualification period still expires prior to 1987, Adelaide prior to 1991, Fremantle prior to 1995 and Port Adelaide prior to 1997," he said.

In regard to a bidding system, Mr Demetriou said the Commission requested further detail, for the Commission to consider later in the year.

"The AFL Commission requested information on how a bidding system may work for Father / Son selections at the last meeting in March," Mr Demetriou said.

"The initial information that was provided by the AFL Executive was discussed, and the Commission agreed that more discussion should be undertaken in this area by the AFL Executive, to be considered at a meeting later in the year," he said.

Father Son Qualification Summary:
Adelaide - 200 SANFL Premiership games for Norwood, Glenelg, Sturt or South Adelaide up to the end of 1990. 100 AFL Premiership games for Adelaide.
Brisbane Lions - 100 AFL Premiership games for Fitzroy, Brisbane Bears or Brisbane Lions.
Carlton - 100 AFL Premiership games for Carlton.
Collingwood - 100 AFL Premiership games for Collingwood.
Essendon - 100 AFL Premiership games for Essendon.
Fremantle - 150 WAFL Premiership games for South Fremantle, East Fremantle, Perth or Swan Districts up to the end of 1994. 100 AFL Premiership games for Fremantle.
Geelong - 100 AFL Premiership games for Geelong.
Hawthorn - 100 AFL Premiership games for Hawthorn.
Kangaroos - 100 AFL Premiership games for Kangaroos / North Melbourne.
Melbourne - 100 AFL Premiership games for Melbourne.
Port Adelaide - 200 SANFL Premiership games for Port Magpies, Woodville, North Adelaide, Central Districts, West Adelaide or West Torrens up to the end of 1996. 100 AFL Premiership games for Port Adelaide.
Richmond - 100 AFL Premiership games for Richmond.
St Kilda - 100 AFL Premiership games for St Kilda.
Sydney - 100 AFL Premiership games for South Melbourne / Sydney.
West Coast - 150 WAFL Premiership games for Claremont, East Perth, West Perth or Subiaco up to the end of 1986. 100 AFL Premiership games for West Coast.
Western Bulldogs - 100 AFL Premiership games for Western Bulldogs / Footscray

Looks like the AFL have screwed you guys over as well; it looks like you wont get the Morton boys.

AFL is completely ********ed in the head. :mad:

sammyg77
18 Apr 2006, 18:48
Massive shame given the high regard we have for these kids but losing out on Gibbs is absolutely massive.

Hopefully WC and AFC can get together and turn this battle into a war.

Streaker
18 Apr 2006, 18:59
The media release doesn't state the expiry date for the WAFL Father/Son rule. Does it still expire after we have been in the AFL for 20 years?

jourgo
18 Apr 2006, 19:10
"The removal of the 20-year qualification period prior to the entry of the WA and SA based clubs now brings a greater parity to the numbers of players that clubs can reasonably expect to draw a father / son selection.

I'd like to see the calculations that brought them to this conclusion! :confused:

wce_all_da_way
18 Apr 2006, 19:16
Wow that is some bull******** the AFL tries to spin.

Crowman32
18 Apr 2006, 21:05
What do you guys think your club will do about this ridiculous victorian father/son rule. It has totally screwed the crows and by the looks of it the west coast as well. From what you guys have heard what action does it look like the eagles and possibly fremantle will take. How can the afl possibly say this rule is fair when a team like Geelong has about 8 father son players and possibly another 2 or 3 in the couple of years as well.Absoulute joke. This should go to court!

theorangeapple
18 Apr 2006, 21:12
While its a pain...we have done well out of the f/s arrangement. At least we got Mitch who was rated top 10.

Jarryd was touch and go in this strong draft and I dont think Cale was ever a sure bet of being eligible even under the old rules. He might not even persue an AFL career. Its not like we have lost some great gun like Gibbs who is in the class of Judd.

B-P-B
18 Apr 2006, 21:26
The timing is a load of rubbish... purely designed to screw the Crows out of Gibbs IMO.

Poor form from the AFL.

4th Tier
18 Apr 2006, 23:36
...and I dont think Cale was ever a sure bet of being eligible even under the old rules. He might not even persue an AFL career.


I'm pretty sure he will be trying to his hardest to be drafted next year!!

Underdog
19 Apr 2006, 01:52
Jarryd was touch and go in this strong draft and I dont think Cale was ever a sure bet of being eligible even under the old rules. He might not even persue an AFL career. Its not like we have lost some great gun like Gibbs who is in the class of Judd.

but for third round picks you would assume they would have a much better upside to them then most.

Eagles 4 Mine
19 Apr 2006, 10:28
It's a pitty that the Crows will not get Gibbs he is a gun I get to see him a lot as he plays for my SANFL club.

It's all about those bloody Victorians they get to choose who they like as it stands under the VFL laws , I think that if the SA and WA clubs have to have the shyte rules it should be a new agreement as it is not the VFL anymore.

The AFL started in 87.

AdelUniCrowFan
19 Apr 2006, 19:48
The media release doesn't state the expiry date for the WAFL Father/Son rule. Does it still expire after we have been in the AFL for 20 years?

Adrian Anderson said on radio tonight that the 20 year expiry date was removed.

Skooks
20 Apr 2006, 02:37
Cale and Jarryd are definately ineligble now for us.

Yet, I think we still may be able to pick them up, providing we keep them quiet from other clubs. Both very good players, Cale probably the better prospect.

theorangeapple
20 Apr 2006, 12:23
Cale and Jarryd are definately ineligble now for us.

Yet, I think we still may be able to pick them up, providing we keep them quiet from other clubs. Both very good players, Cale probably the better prospect.

If clubs didnt know about them a month ago...they sure as hell would now.