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Drop Him!!! Drop him now!! he is no good as a bowler, and thats what we need a BOWLER!
He aint the same as he was when he first started.
Reasons? well..
1. He is trying to bowl too fast at the moment, no control.
2. He thinks his pace his unplayable, always going for the stumps.
3. Not bowling line and length and not making the batsmen play outside off stump.
4. Too many lose wide balls.
5. Too many lose short deliverys which are wasted.
6. Needs to go back to state cricket and go back to basics.
7. Too expensive, going for 4.5 - 5.2 runs per over in TEST LEVEL!
8. WAYYY to many no balls! bowled 40+ in 4 tests.
Pros.
1. He can bat well as a number 9.
2. Strong out fielder.
thats it.
he needs to go back to state cricket and perform! needs to go back to basics and bowl line and length and keep it controlled and consistent. You see the strain on his face every time he bowls, thats just evidence that he's trying too hard!
so if i was a selector, Brett Lee would be on the out, and i would bring in a new Pace Bowler, or Stuart MacGill.
and his 1st wicket and rickyshay off Ntini's pad outside leg goes back onto the stump... Thats not a 1st class wicket! :o
SpecialBruce
18 Dec 2001, 14:32
He's also up himself. We know for sure he will be dropped in the Sydney test. It won't be McGrath or Gillespi that they will drop. He will be dropped for MacGill in the Sydney test.
If he is dropped for the Melbourne test then Kasprowich or Bichel should be named. They can both bat and can take wickets. Lee can bat, but can't take wickets. My suggestion is use Bichel.
The_Flying_Egg
18 Dec 2001, 14:38
The mosy annoying part about the ******** is if in a State League match he got out Glenn McGrath he'd go sick and makes a ******** of himself
He gets out **** carters and then feels the need to jump 10 feet in the air and sledge them
And he IS a thrower
I'm not particularly fond of him either. His two wickets today, well one was pretty lucky and the other was off a completely useless batsman. I'm not sure I would replace him just yet, tho.
kretchy
18 Dec 2001, 16:20
He seems to me that the majority of his wickets are the tailenders that can't bat like Ntini and Hayward today and players like Bond in the series against NZ.
I agree that Bichel should come into the team as well for the Boxing Day test we would lose anything in batting he has first class 100s and can take wickets at test level as he showed in last years boxing day test admitedly it was only the windies but he still had to take them.
blurton
18 Dec 2001, 16:58
I still reckon we should try Macgill with Warne again - even in Melbourne (naturally Sydney). The guy could spin it on pitch made of glass. It's such as waste leaving him out of test cricket. His leg spin is also slightly different to Warnes which provides that little bit of extra variety. If there's no obvious bowler to replace Lee (and he's got to go) then why not Macgill?
WCE2000
18 Dec 2001, 17:36
MacGill is to much of a hit and miss bowler. For every good ball he bowls, he bowls a trash ball, but will always make his figures look good by going through the tailend.
Macca19
18 Dec 2001, 23:13
Id love to see Brett Lees wicket stats....what i mean is a % of his wickets that have been batsmen from 8-11. Id say it would be around 70-75% worth of his wickets
WCE2000
19 Dec 2001, 08:04
Just for peoples information, the batsmen Brett Lee has dismissed: (Ones in bold are tailenders)
CL Cairns (RHB) 5
CD McMillan (RHB) 4
AR Caddick (RHB) 3
AC Parore (RHB) 3
RR Sarwan (RHB) 3
MS Sinclair (RHB) 3
CM Spearman (RHB) 3
AB Agarkar (RHB) 2
NJ Astle (RHB) 2
SE Bond (RHB) 2
MA Butcher (LHB) 2
R Dravid (RHB) 2
SP Fleming (LHB) 2
MJ Horne (RHB) 2
HH Kanitkar (LHB) 2
VVS Laxman (RHB) 2
NAM McLean (LHB) 2
MR Ramprakash (RHB) 2
J Srinath (RHB) 2
DL Vettori (LHB) 2
CA Walsh (RHB) 2
PJ Wiseman (RHB) 2
JC Adams (LHB) 1
MI Black (RHB) 1
SL Campbell (RHB) 1
D Ganga (RHB) 1
M Hayward (RHB) 1
M Ntini (RHB) 1
SB O'Connor (LHB) 1
MSK Prasad (RHB) 1
S Ramesh (LHB) 1
GP Thorpe (LHB) 1
R Vijay Bharadwaj (RHB) 1
L Vincent (RHB) 1
IJ Ward (LHB) 1
24 out of his 67 wickets are tailenders
WCE2000
19 Dec 2001, 08:29
Also (as a play my role of Dan for this morning:D) is the scores of the batsmen Brett Lee dismisses.
Brett Lee - 67 wickets
8 dimissals of batsmen 50 and over (including centuries) - 11.94% of overall wickets
3 dimissals of batsmen over 100 - 4.48% of overall wickets
Glenn McGrath - 369 wickets
30 batsmen 50 and over - 8.13%
6 batsmen 100 and over - 1.63%
Jason Gillespie - 115 wickets
8 batsmen 50 and over - 8.70%
2 batsmen 100 and over - 1.74%
Shane Warne - 421 wickets
76 batsmen 50 and over - 18.05%
13 batsmen 100 and over - 3.09%
Stuart MacGill - 75 wickets
9 batsmen 50 and over - 12.00%
3 batsmen 100 and over - 4.00%
Michael Kasprowicz - 47 wickets
11 batsmen 50 and over - 23.40%
1 batsmen 100 and over - 2.13%
Dennis Lillee - 355 wickets
50 batsmen 50 and over - 14.08%
11 batsmen 100 and over - 3.10%
So he is obviousbly very good at bowling to batsmen who are set, and is even better against batsmen who are well set, ie, 100+, which is a very good quality.
Instead of barating the guy, why dont we support him. He has the ability to be one of Australia's best bowlers, given the pace he can generate and the swing he gets at that pace, and he is only 24.
kretchy
19 Dec 2001, 09:38
Well if he could dismiss batsman early he wouldn't need to be good at bowling to batsman who are set.
Bulldog1954
19 Dec 2001, 10:25
He is a moron
His average has also climbed since his early days. In England he was disgraceful and it was pitiful that he wasn't dropped. He has also yet to face the hardest sides, he didn't play in India and he will be tested this summer agaisnt South Africa.
Mr. Blonde
19 Dec 2001, 15:46
WOW!!! What short memories you all have. Just because Brett Lee bowled badly in one innings means he should be dropped does it? If that's the case let's drop Steve Waugh (hasn't made a score all summer), or Adam Gilchrist (only got scores of 7 & 22 for the test), or what about Justin Langer (only got 1 in his second innings). Surely these players deserve to get the chop and try to find some form with their states.
While I agree that Lee bowled very ordinarily in the 1st innings in Adelaide, just remember he topped the wicket takers list against NZ.
In case you forgot, his stats for that series were:
overs - 100.5
runs - 352
wickets - 14
Av - 25.14
Not bad figures if you ask me.
Also it was mentioned that his economy rate is at about 5 per over. INCORRECT. His actual economy rate 3.39 with it being just as good against NZ at 3.49.
I love the way he can intimidate batsmen and tailenders alike. It was fantastic to see Hayward and Ntini s*** themselves while facing him.
play on
19 Dec 2001, 15:54
Originally posted by Mr. Blonde
I love the way he can intimidate batsmen and tailenders alike. It was fantastic to see Hayward and Ntini s*** themselves while facing him.
Same here. It was great to see, and I hope that we see more of the same in the Boxing day Test, regardless of if it is Lee, or Donald for the South Africans, or any player from either side for that matter. Great stuff.
In the 9 tests since his comeback Lee has averaged 38.3 runs per wicket with an econ rate of 3.79 runs per over.
Neither are good enough for a strike bowler.
If it was Kasprowicz, Bichel, or any other fast bowler Aus has tried over the last 5 years they would be dropped after 1 or 2 matches of that crap, let alone 9.
Gillespies crap facial hair is about as daunting as facing Lee these days.
blurton
19 Dec 2001, 18:12
Originally posted by play on
Same here. It was great to see, and I hope that we see more of the same in the Boxing day Test, regardless of if it is Lee, or Donald for the South Africans, or any player from either side for that matter. Great stuff.
That's great. Let's wait and see if all those supporters of bunnies being physically attacked, feel OK if Glen McGrath has his fingers broken or worse trying to defend himself against the short pitched stuff.
play on
19 Dec 2001, 19:42
I believe it is part of the risk of playing, even if it is an Australian on the receiving end.
Originally posted by WCE2000
Also (as a play my role of Dan for this morning:D) is the scores of the batsmen Brett Lee dismisses.
Brett Lee - 67 wickets
8 dimissals of batsmen 50 and over (including centuries) - 11.94% of overall wickets
3 dimissals of batsmen over 100 - 4.48% of overall wickets
Glenn McGrath - 369 wickets
30 batsmen 50 and over - 8.13%
6 batsmen 100 and over - 1.63%
Jason Gillespie - 115 wickets
8 batsmen 50 and over - 8.70%
2 batsmen 100 and over - 1.74%
Shane Warne - 421 wickets
76 batsmen 50 and over - 18.05%
13 batsmen 100 and over - 3.09%
Stuart MacGill - 75 wickets
9 batsmen 50 and over - 12.00%
3 batsmen 100 and over - 4.00%
Michael Kasprowicz - 47 wickets
11 batsmen 50 and over - 23.40%
1 batsmen 100 and over - 2.13%
Dennis Lillee - 355 wickets
50 batsmen 50 and over - 14.08%
11 batsmen 100 and over - 3.10%
So he is obviousbly very good at bowling to batsmen who are set, and is even better against batsmen who are well set, ie, 100+, which is a very good quality.
Instead of barating the guy, why dont we support him. He has the ability to be one of Australia's best bowlers, given the pace he can generate and the swing he gets at that pace, and he is only 24.
Well i think those stats are irrelivent, look at Warne, McGrath and Lillees wicket column.. OVER 300!
compare to the others below 100, so until the other bowlers (lee) gets 300+ wickets, then! we can compare..
We have supported him! ever since he debuted and till now! weve (ACB) been giving him chances, putting him in the 1stXI but his performance has really let us down, and dare i say it... YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK... GOODBYE!
Originally posted by Mr. Blonde
WOW!!! What short memories you all have. Just because Brett Lee bowled badly in one innings means he should be dropped does it? If that's the case let's drop Steve Waugh (hasn't made a score all summer), or Adam Gilchrist (only got scores of 7 & 22 for the test), or what about Justin Langer (only got 1 in his second innings). Surely these players deserve to get the chop and try to find some form with their states.
While I agree that Lee bowled very ordinarily in the 1st innings in Adelaide, just remember he topped the wicket takers list against NZ.
In case you forgot, his stats for that series were:
overs - 100.5
runs - 352
wickets - 14
Av - 25.14
Not bad figures if you ask me.
Also it was mentioned that his economy rate is at about 5 per over. INCORRECT. His actual economy rate 3.39 with it being just as good against NZ at 3.49.
I love the way he can intimidate batsmen and tailenders alike. It was fantastic to see Hayward and Ntini s*** themselves while facing him.
No... Brett Lee hasn't just put in one ****ty performance... HE'S BEEN DOING IT SINCE HE INJURED HIS RIBS (or Something)! Since then he was been bowling full tosses or half pitch pies! He's lost his cool and been trying to bowl every batsmen out instead of making them play outside offstump taking edges.
Brett Lee doesn't intimidate, he bowls with his *****, whats the ****ing point bowling short pitch bullets at number 10's or 11's? Hit them in the head maybe cause injury!? no.. he should be getting their wickets by outsmarting, not by out flexing!
Bloodstained Angel
20 Dec 2001, 06:16
He's a chucker
dogboy23
20 Dec 2001, 09:20
Now you all bloody go against him.When I posted something like this I was shut down.I have actually changed my mind though.Addmitedly his bowling has been nothing short of disgraceful since he did his elbow I cannot see anyone else with the potential to be a strike bowler after Mcgrath.We will need a new partner for Gillespie(who has injury problems) when Mcgrath decides to fininsh up.Who else is there Mitchell Johnson is a long way off.Bichel and Kaspa are good support bowlers but nothing more.Bracken is a pipe dream.We have nothin so our best option is to give this hack Lee a chance to turn it around which im fairly sure he is capable of doing.;)
fleming?????????????????????????
miller???????///
The_Flying_Egg
21 Dec 2001, 12:27
Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
He's a chucker
Spot on Bloodstained Angel. Australians crack the ****s over Ahktar when we've got one in our own team
Mr. Blonde
21 Dec 2001, 13:29
How is he a chucker?
HahnPremium8
21 Dec 2001, 19:27
I think you ppl are being a bit harsh on Brett Lee. Ok he has been a bit out of control lately but i don't think he is as bad as u are making out. Sure he's not in the same category as Warne or McGragh but don't u think he would have a spot in every other cricket side in the world??
not at the moment... but he would be when he's inform...
GoEagles
21 Dec 2001, 23:42
Originally posted by Bucks
Paul Wilson?!
Jo Angel anyday mate :D
Joe Mama
22 Dec 2001, 19:17
That's bull**** Flying Egg, Shoaib Aktar has only once been called for throwing, and that was on a tour to New Zealand (as well as Brett Lee), he (Aktar) was never called in Australia for throwing, that was all paper talk and you have obvoiusly fallen for it, and anyway, you can't have your arm compleatly straight when you're bowling, so it's all up to interpretation.
Shoaib Aktar and Brett Lee are exciting bowlers who can really turn it on when they're on their game (which Brett isn't at the moment), as well as Harbhajan Singh, the only absolute thrower that's still playing the game is Muttaya Muralitharan, everyone else has been unfairly victimised
Possum Notting
23 Dec 2001, 18:42
Bloodstained Angel there is a reason that Binger lookes like he throughs the ball as he is bowling, a few years ago he broke his arm and it didnt heal correctly, the cartliage/musle grew inbetween the two bones or were the break was in one of his bones.
Totally agreed with you HahnPremium8, they (media and general public) are being to harsh on Binger. They will be proud of his efforts if he playes about 2 test match games in a row and gets a heap of wickets in both tests.
I love Binger Lee. He will always be a Champion in my eyes :) :cool:
He might bowl a fair bit of garbage, but he is not a chucker IMHO.
The_Flying_Egg
30 Dec 2001, 11:57
Originally posted by Possum Notting
Bloodstained Angel there is a reason that Binger lookes like he throughs the ball as he is bowling, a few years ago he broke his arm and it didnt heal correctly, the cartliage/musle grew inbetween the two bones or were the break was in one of his bones.
Ahktar says something like that too. I don't think the injury makes it look like he is throwing, I think he is throwing. If it is coz of the injury thats bad luck but he should still be called
Originally posted by Possum Notting
Bloodstained Angel there is a reason that Binger lookes like he throughs the ball as he is bowling, a few years ago he broke his arm and it didnt heal correctly, the cartliage/musle grew inbetween the two bones or were the break was in one of his bones.
WHAT THE?? according to you, he broke his arm and now the way he is bowling looks like he is throwing (with bent arm). How can that be??? how can a broken arm make it look like a bent elbow??
Only reason i can suggest is that he is double jointed in the elbow, there for his elbow looks strange. BUT i find this a load of bull****, whenever u put together a bowler and throwing you automatically assume! that he/she has had prior damage happen to his arm/elbow. Well, i have not heard that Brett Lee injured his arm when he was a child so i think its only a lame excuse..
btw i dont think Brett Lee chucks, just hate bull****!
dogboy23
4 Jan 2002, 06:54
Originally posted by Bucks
WHAT THE?? according to you, he broke his arm and now the way he is bowling looks like he is throwing (with bent arm). How can that be??? how can a broken arm make it look like a bent elbow??
Only reason i can suggest is that he is double jointed in the elbow, there for his elbow looks strange. BUT i find this a load of bull****, whenever u put together a bowler and throwing you automatically assume! that he/she has had prior damage happen to his arm/elbow. Well, i have not heard that Brett Lee injured his arm when he was a child so i think its only a lame excuse..
btw i dont think Brett Lee chucks, just hate bull****! Hate to defend him here but he has had damage to his elbow both as a kid and a player i have heard about it many a time.
Originally posted by Bucks
Drop Him!!! Drop him now!! he is no good as a bowler, and thats what we need a BOWLER!
He aint the same as he was when he first started.
Reasons? well..
1. He is trying to bowl too fast at the moment, no control.
2. He thinks his pace his unplayable, always going for the stumps.
3. Not bowling line and length and not making the batsmen play outside off stump.
4. Too many lose wide balls.
5. Too many lose short deliverys which are wasted.
6. Needs to go back to state cricket and go back to basics.
7. Too expensive, going for 4.5 - 5.2 runs per over in TEST LEVEL!
8. WAYYY to many no balls! bowled 40+ in 4 tests.
Pros.
1. He can bat well as a number 9.
2. Strong out fielder.
thats it.
he needs to go back to state cricket and perform! needs to go back to basics and bowl line and length and keep it controlled and consistent. You see the strain on his face every time he bowls, thats just evidence that he's trying too hard!
so if i was a selector, Brett Lee would be on the out, and i would bring in a new Pace Bowler, or Stuart MacGill.
I agree completely. He needs to be dropped so he can get his act together and come back a more mature bowler.
Bichel was unlucky to be dropped.
HahnPremium8
5 Jan 2002, 12:36
Frodo have u actaully been watching the last 2 tests because i think Brett Lee HAS got his act together and definitely should NOT be dropped.
That's what I was about to say Hahn. I may be speaking too early, but I think he's improved recently.
eagleskickass
5 Jan 2002, 20:04
He has really gotten better over recent times.
He has taken the most wickets for a fast bowler this summer.
He today bowled one of the best overs i have seen of fast bowling(admittedly i am only 16), the over before lunch i think it was.
Definately should not be dropped.
He aint no chucker either:mad: