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South African Jonathan Trott compiled a patient century as Warwickshire closed six runs ahead of Sussex at 308-5.
Kevin Pietersen stressed the benefits of an extended apprenticeship when he qualified for England last year, and his fellow South African, Jonathan Trott, could follow the same measured path.
An English father and the completion of a four-year residential qualification will put the composed right-hander at Duncan Fletcher's disposal this autumn. Yesterday a grafting innings of 109 nudged Warwickshire towards a first-innings lead.
Sussex toiled manfully, but they missed James Kirtley's pace bowling on a slow pitch, which also frustrated Mushtaq Ahmed. The leg-spinner operated throughout the afternoon, but the screamed appeals went unanswered as Trott and Alex Loudon put on 134.
Grimwood
21 Apr 2006, 19:06
Well ok.. there goes my plan of South Africa calling him up then.
The Saffers ought to actually make an effort to get these players back instead of whinging.
Grimwood
21 Apr 2006, 19:22
This is Jonathan Trott (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/47623.html) and you might also want to take a look at Stephen Moore (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/columns/content/player/17953.html).
There are plenty of other young South Africans playing in England as well, like Neil Dexter at Kent, Kevin Latouf at Hampshire and Jade Dernbach at Surrey.
This is Jonathan Trott (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/47623.html) and you might also want to take a look at Stephen Moore (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/columns/content/player/17953.html).
There are plenty of other young South Africans playing in England as well, like Neil Dexter at Kent, Kevin Latouf at Hampshire and Jade Dernbach at Surrey.
Thanks.
Any of these have big futures ahead of them?
As in 45+ with a bat or 30- with ball?
Grimwood
21 Apr 2006, 19:49
It's too early to say with the bottom three but Dexter has looked a good batsmen whenever I've seen him, so he might be one to look out for.
As far as the main two go I'd say that Trott could make it as a middle order ODI batsman if he could cope with the pressure but his batting is a bit too inconsistent in the longer form of the game. He often plays great innings but I don't think they come around often enough to justify his poorer scores.
Moore on the other hand would probably be my pick. I've seen him play a fair bit at New Road and he's definitely in the top bracket of county players in terms of run getting. I've not seen him against real high quality pace bowling and I've no idea how he handles spinning tracks but he nearly always puts the runs on the board at a good strike rate. I'd be surprised if he wasn't at the back of the England selectors minds.
I noticed a whole heap of them went over this year to the UK and some have potential. I think that Clive Rice and Kepler Wessels are the main instigators behind it because of that insidious quota system. Meantime South Africa will continue to leak players to the poms. I also heard that the Kiwis have targeted a promising young batsman as well. Gosh you're a disorganised mob F/D.
Grimwood
21 Apr 2006, 19:53
A lot of South Africans came over to the UK in the 90's so you get people like Moore who went to school in South Africa but is an Essex Uni graduate and Jade Dernbach who came over to England at about the age of 12. Then there are the likes of Trott who do come over as adults for professional cricketing reasons.
Then there's Riki Wessels who could currently represent South Africa, Australia or England depending on what kind of mood he's in.
I noticed a whole heap of them went over this year to the UK and some have potential. I think that Clive Rice and Kepler Wessels are the main instigators behind it because of that insidious quota system. Meantime South Africa will continue to leak players to the poms. I also heard that the Kiwis have targeted a promising young batsman as well. Gosh you're a disorganised mob F/D.
We have some good youngsters coming through even if we dont use these players.
Anyways I'm looking for a good conversation not South African back stabbing.
Grimwood:
How many of these "seem" like they want to represent England?
FFS, wouldnt RSA be smart and blood them in an insignificant match a la Bangas or something?
P iss off Prince.
Grimwood
21 Apr 2006, 20:08
Moore, Dexter and Wessels have already openly stated that they're aiming to represent England, in fact Moore and Dexter are English qualified and have never played domestic cricket in South Africa. I thought Trott, who has played in South Africa, was going for a New Zealand spot but that may not be the case if he's qualified through residency here.
Moore still lists the Springboks as his sporting team of choice though so I don't think he regards himself as English as such.
Grimwood
21 Apr 2006, 20:11
Moore eyes England spot (http://www.ecb.co.uk/domestic/moore-sets-sights-on-england,7801,EN.html)
So Moore says he wants to represent England but he lists the Boks as his preferred team?
Grimwood
21 Apr 2006, 20:29
Boks as in Rugby team.
Boks as in Rugby team.
Ahh, my mistake.
Well lets hope if one of them make the English team and the other realises he cant, he can move back to RSA :D
Nel Mangle
21 Apr 2006, 20:33
Some of these guys come over because in south africa they have race quota rules for the teams.
Pietersen never got a game for his team because of those rules.
he packed his bags and came over here at age 17 or something.
guess it worked out for him.
Grimwood
21 Apr 2006, 20:41
Some of these guys come over because in south africa they have race quota rules for the teams.
Pietersen never got a game for his team because of those rules.
he packed his bags and came over here at age 17 or something.
guess it worked out for him.
Pietersen was 19 I think.. and he's something of an anomaly anyway.
Most of the South Africans playing in English cricket are the children of parents who moved here when their kids were in their teens. Why that is I have no idea but there seems to have been a real of Saffers coming to England during that period.
Well....all I can say is.
Atleast England are getting these players and not Australia :D
Some of these guys come over because in south africa they have race quota rules for the teams.
Pietersen never got a game for his team because of those rules.
he packed his bags and came over here at age 17 or something.
guess it worked out for him.
This is the rule that has seen Prince play a heap of tests.
What a disgraceful rule :thumbsd:
Browney
21 Apr 2006, 20:45
Everyone just wants to play for the might, that is England.
Nel Mangle
21 Apr 2006, 20:59
Why that is I have no idea but there seems to have been a real of Saffers coming to England during that period.
its simple.
there was a load of "white flight" from south africa .Maybe down to the crime rate or other factors .
alot of educated people jumped ship to UK from south africa.
thats my guess.
Nel Mangle
21 Apr 2006, 21:00
This is the rule that has seen Prince play a heap of tests.
What a disgraceful rule :thumbsd:
That rule has cost you big time.
I remember when you even had to pick that useless wicketkeeper when gibbs was injured (and drop boucher).
That rule has cost you big time.
I remember when you even had to pick that useless wicketkeeper when gibbs was injured (and drop boucher).
I dont know his full name, I just call him TT.
Dud of the highest order.
Ray Nolan
22 Apr 2006, 20:50
Would love to see Trott wear the 3 Lions & Coronet, certainly one of the best players we have coming through at Warwickshire. Anyone that is of the right quality & eligible for England should be considered.
ALwaysNorth
22 Apr 2006, 22:51
Well....all I can say is.
Atleast England are getting these players and not Australia :D
Me thinks it would easier to get a guernsey in County cricket than in Shield cricket.
If you hate Australia so much F/D why do you stay ? I think we will get by without you .
Me thinks it would easier to get a guernsey in County cricket than in Shield cricket.
If you hate Australia so much F/D why do you stay ? I think we will get by without you .
Australia is the best country in the world.
It is the best place to live IMO...however, the Aussie cricket team are deadset idiots.
RoosterLad
23 Apr 2006, 18:05
Haha South Africa got beaten 5-0 by 'deadset idiots'
Haha South Africa got beaten 5-0 by 'deadset idiots'
Haha Australia got beaten by the Poms
bombersno1
23 Apr 2006, 21:31
Haha Australia got beaten by the Poms
So what we have won a few World Cups! Remind us how many South Africa have won?:thumbsd:
So what we have won a few World Cups! Remind us how many South Africa have won?:thumbsd:
Ahhhhhh!
The Australians, do they ever make fools of themselves?
When RSA won the ODI series people were saying "Who cares its only a ODI series, even WC's dont count"
Now you bring this up again that "Atleast WC's count"
Australian cricket fans? Make up your mind :thumbsu:
bombersno1
23 Apr 2006, 22:03
Ahhhhhh!
The Australians, do they ever make fools of themselves?
When RSA won the ODI series people were saying "Who cares its only a ODI series, even WC's dont count"
Now you bring this up again that "Atleast WC's count"
Australian cricket fans? Make up your mind :thumbsu:
When we are comparing SA to Australia it counts and we kill you in most sports, you name it cricket, league, union, etc. We smash you most of the time and then when the world cups come around you fall over much the same as smith was to lee this summer!:thumbsu:
When we are comparing SA to Australia it counts and we kill you in most sports, you name it cricket, league, union, etc. We smash you most of the time and then when the world cups come around you fall over much the same as smith was to lee this summer!:thumbsu:
You mean Australia steal other countries sporting talents :cool:
bombersno1
23 Apr 2006, 22:13
You mean Australia steal other countries sporting talents :cool:
Nope! Who have we stolen anyway?:rolleyes:
Grimwood
23 Apr 2006, 22:24
Actually, I've always thought it strange that the Australian cricket team doesn't have a wide range of ethnic backgrounds when you've got the likes of Dokic, Tzsyu and that Saffer-born rugby player all representing them in different sports.
Actually, I've always thought it strange that the Australian cricket team doesn't have a wide range of ethnic backgrounds when you've got the likes of Dokic, Tzsyu and that Saffer-born rugby player all representing them in different sports.
Thats what I meant.
ALwaysNorth
23 Apr 2006, 23:24
Actually, I've always thought it strange that the Australian cricket team doesn't have a wide range of ethnic backgrounds when you've got the likes of Dokic, Tzsyu and that Saffer-born rugby player all representing them in different sports.
Geez that is rich coming from somebody in the UK , you've scoured all sports and come up with 3 examples of foreigners representing Australia perhaps you should throw in our east european weightlifters aswell .
Then when you've done that start with the England cricket team and post the number of foreigners who have been drafted into that team lately.
Poms should not open their gobs about poaching , being that they are a country that actively tries to get any talented young Scot , Welsh or Irish footballer who vaguely qualifies to play for England as a junior so he is tied to them for life .
Grimwood
24 Apr 2006, 00:07
Geez that is rich coming from somebody in the UK , you've scoured all sports and come up with 3 examples of foreigners representing Australia perhaps you should throw in our east european weightlifters aswell .
Then when you've done that start with the England cricket team and post the number of foreigners who have been drafted into that team lately.
Poms should not open their gobs about poaching , being that they are a country that actively tries to get any talented young Scot , Welsh or Irish footballer who vaguely qualifies to play for England as a junior so he is tied to them for life .
Your last paragraph is utter rubbish and I'd thank you to contribute a sensible view point to an honest observation rather than shooting your clearly insecure gob off.
bombersno1
24 Apr 2006, 00:17
Your last paragraph is utter rubbish and I'd thank you to contribute a sensible view point to an honest observation rather than shooting your clearly insecure gob off.
Andy Murray? You guys claim he is British half the time when he is a Scot!:thumbsd:
Grimwood
24 Apr 2006, 00:23
Andy Murray? You guys claim he is British half the time when he is a Scot!:thumbsd:
Er... you mean that as a joke right?
Even if you do he's pretty much always referred to as a Scot rather than a Briton.
bombersno1
24 Apr 2006, 00:32
Er... you mean that as a joke right?
Even if you do he's pretty much always referred to as a Scot rather than a Briton.
I'd suggest you follow every tournament (major) after Henman usually gets knocked out 1st round then. Half the commentators and the British crowds think he is British!:thumbsd:
Grimwood
24 Apr 2006, 01:11
I'd suggest you follow every tournament (major) after Henman usually gets knocked out 1st round then. Half the commentators and the British crowds think he is British!:thumbsd:
I'd hope that all of them think he's British, otherwise our school geography really has gone down the pan.
beatnik
24 Apr 2006, 17:01
Anyways I'm looking for a good conversation not South African back stabbing.
you know I love to disagree with you F/D on most things relating to SA cricket but not this one...
i think it is a real shame for international cricket that England has resorted to scouring other teams for potential players in the past 5-8 years
From Australia: the ECB or their represenatives have approached Andrew Symonds, Stuart Law and capped Craig White, Geraint Jones (who was bron in Wales it's true but was raised in Oz and speaks with an Aussie accent) and Alan Mullally
What's next? Will they start plucking Kiwis on holiday in London to wear the blue cap? ...or was Andy Caddick the only NZ to be 'drafted'?
I would really like to have seen what the recent series might have looked like with Strauss and KP playing for the Saffers rather than the Commonwealth All-Stars...it would have been good for SA cricket
peace
Nel Mangle
24 Apr 2006, 19:32
Poms should not open their gobs about poaching , being that they are a country that actively tries to get any talented young Scot , Welsh or Irish footballer who vaguely qualifies to play for England as a junior so he is tied to them for life .
Are you a crack addict??
thats the most laughable statement Ive ever seen.
We dont have a single player from those celtic no-marks in any of our squads.
secondly ,in football you are only tied to a country if you played for them in a full competitive international.
thirdly ,its those celtic countries who select our rejects (especially ireland).
I just look at the wallabies rugby team to see players born in zambia (gregan) ,houston (new zealand) ,Lote Tuqiri (fiji) ,etc...
Nel Mangle
24 Apr 2006, 19:46
you know I love to disagree with you F/D on most things relating to SA cricket but not this one...
i think it is a real shame for international cricket that England has resorted to scouring other teams for potential players in the past 5-8 years
From Australia: the ECB or their represenatives have approached Andrew Symonds, Stuart Law and capped Craig White, Geraint Jones (who was bron in Wales it's true but was raised in Oz and speaks with an Aussie accent) and Alan Mullally
What's next? Will they start plucking Kiwis on holiday in London to wear the blue cap? ...or was Andy Caddick the only NZ to be 'drafted'?
I would really like to have seen what the recent series might have looked like with Strauss and KP playing for the Saffers rather than the Commonwealth All-Stars...it would have been good for SA cricket
peace
Brainless aussie hypocrisy strikes again.
Symonds was born in England and immigrated to australia at a young age with his foster parents .He doesnt have a drop a aussie blood in him. He is half english /west indian parentage .
Strauss was born in south africa and immigrated to England at a young age.
age 6 to be precise. Even has english mother .
So if we "poached" a player who moved here as an infant (strauss) then you poached symonds from us .Thats your logic .
BTW - pietersen never even got a game in south africa because of the race quota rules .wasnt even a batsmen until he came to england .
He came to us and we didnt recruit him .He volunteered.
silly aussie clowns know nothing as usual.
Grimwood
24 Apr 2006, 20:35
England haven't "poached" anybody as far as I am aware, in football or cricket. It's true that there are players who weren't born in England or Wales playing for the cricket team but I think you'd be foolish to claim that Shah and Strauss are anything other than English, regardless of where they were born.
I wasn't initially keen on Pietersen representing England and Wales as I thought he was just a Saffer chancing his luck but when I discovered that his career as an off-spinner was going nowhere in RSA, that he was half English and that he left to qualify for England in 1999, when they were un-officially the worst team in the world, my view softened somewhat. Whether that's enough for others I couldn't say but he's ok by me, especially given his excellent performances.
My observation that the Australian cricket team had a very small ethnic span was, as I have already stated, an honest one. I know that there are the likes of Moises Henriques and a Pakistani born NSW man coming up through the ranks and that Ervine is aiming to qualify for Australia but this all seems to be happening a bit later than in other Australian sports where there is already a smattering of immigrants competeing under the Australian flag.
Of course the Australian cricket team is technically full of immigrants, but that's another story ;)