View Full Version : BALL vs HODGE vs JUDD
Delidio
22 Apr 2006, 16:08
Who would you rather considering leadership, their future ability, match winning ability, hardness and any other factor that may be important?
Bomberland06
22 Apr 2006, 16:21
hodge is the total package , 2006 will be a big year for him and at this moment he would be brownlow medal fav.:thumbsu:
Mr Crow!
22 Apr 2006, 16:33
Chris Judd. Like the other two players, he has the leadership plus the skill. More importantly, he has the results on the board. Ie: played in a Grand Final, won a Norm Smith, won a Brownlow. I also think his explosive pace sets him apart from the other two players.
goDees22
22 Apr 2006, 19:53
This question is the next: Hird vs. Voss vs. Buckley. Going to get very tedious. fwiw, hodge, best skills and leadership of all 3
blues4flag
22 Apr 2006, 19:55
Judd at the moment because of all hes achieved, Hodge I believe could be ahead in a few year's time. Ball just behind the two.
Crow-mo
22 Apr 2006, 21:23
Judd at the moment because of all hes achieved, Hodge I believe could be ahead in a few year's time. Ball just behind the two.
ahead in the next few years? Hodge was much better in 2005 and has been much better in 2006.
blues4flag
22 Apr 2006, 23:29
ahead in the next few years? Hodge was much better in 2005 and has been much better in 2006.
No doubting he was better, but still behind in what each have acheived. Judd has been good for a few years now, Hodge has been for 1.
mudgeathon
23 Apr 2006, 00:37
This question is the next: Hird vs. Voss vs. Buckley. Going to get very tedious. fwiw, hodge, best skills and leadership of all 3
I don't really agree with that last part about been the best leader. He's the only one that's not the captain of their club and isn't even the next in line to be the captain at Hawthorn.
Lynch drops a mark
23 Apr 2006, 00:40
Judd is a freak
I've been impressed with hodge and I think that he will get better but never to the same level as Judd
Ball a fair way behind both but is still a pretty good player
rfctigerarmy
23 Apr 2006, 11:47
Judd > Hodge >>> Ball.
goDees22
23 Apr 2006, 12:53
I don't really agree with that last part about been the best leader. He's the only one that's not the captain of their club and isn't even the next in line to be the captain at Hawthorn.
yeah i realise that he is the only one that isn't captain and that it does sound stupid, but he is always encouraging players, when he hit someone on the chest and they dropped the mark and it went over the line, he sprinted up to pat them on the head and say dont worry about it, whereas Juddy doesn't even want to be captain, although i haven't seen him or bally in a game as captains of their clubs, but hodgey seems to me to be an awesome leader
Mrs. Cousins
23 Apr 2006, 13:30
Juddy!!!!
Whoever selected Ball has their head so far up their own arse it isn't funny!!
Bally is a great player but hasn't reached the heights unfortunately of the other 2 players.
:)
d-mac3276
23 Apr 2006, 19:15
would go 4 judd any day of the week he gets more attention payed to him then the other 2 and is more damaging when he has the ball absolute gun
Collingwoodrow
23 Apr 2006, 19:51
Hodge is the best kicking midfielder (along with Buckley) in the AFL. He get's it 30 times a game every game but that is as much a part to the crappy overuse style that Hawthorn employ. Irrespective I'd have him first. He has not achieved the accolades of Judd but for mine has been a better player over the past 18 months.
Judd is the best athlete amongst the elite midfielders for size, strength and quickness. Spectacular burst from pack. Not as silky as Hodge but that is not demeaning his skills.....has had some trouble with frustration from close checking opponents.
Ball is an awesome in and under player but like his St Kilda midfielding teamates does not kick enough goals. Is an excellent player but not yet with the other two in stature.
d-mac3276
23 Apr 2006, 20:11
Hodge is the best kicking midfielder (along with Buckley) in the AFL. He get's it 30 times a game every game but that is as much a part to the crappy overuse style that Hawthorn employ. Irrespective I'd have him first. He has not achieved the accolades of Judd but for mine has been a better player over the past 18 months.
Judd is the best athlete amongst the elite midfielders for size, strength and quickness. Spectacular burst from pack. Not as silky as Hodge but that is not demeaning his skills.....has had some trouble with frustration from close checking opponents.
Ball is an awesome in and under player but like his St Kilda midfielding teamates does not kick enough goals. Is an excellent player but not yet with the other two in stature. yeah well wait til hodge starts getting the attention judd already gets then we can judge as hodge played more of a sweepers role last year off half back anyone can get 30+ with no opponent so will b interesting when he is closely checked and he ain't exactly a hard ball getter as judd and ball r
FreoFury
23 Apr 2006, 22:13
Judd by a country mile.
he ain't exactly a hard ball getter as judd and ball r
You don't watch much footy do you?
Collingwoodrow
24 Apr 2006, 17:29
he ain't exactly a hard ball getter as judd and ball r
D-Mac - you are joking aren't you? Hodge not a hardball getter?
DynamoUltra
24 Apr 2006, 18:23
yeah well wait til hodge starts getting the attention judd already gets then we can judge as hodge played more of a sweepers role last year off half back anyone can get 30+ with no opponent so will b interesting when he is closely checked and he ain't exactly a hard ball getter as judd and ball r
The thing is, Judd can't shake the taggers like Hodge can. I believe Hodge had about 7 taggers last time we played you guys and he still got 36 disposals and had the game on a string.
d-mac3276
24 Apr 2006, 21:21
You don't watch much footy do you? watch plenty of it and play the game sunshine, hodge is a gun but he ain't as hard as the other 2 at the ball plus anyone can get 30+ possessions without an opponent running off half back if u had watched last year buddy, judd is more damaging than him by far
TheBacko
24 Apr 2006, 21:43
it depends what kind of player you are looking at obviously. in terms of pure football class then it just has to be judd, you would have to have rocks in your head to disagree with that!
Lynch drops a mark
24 Apr 2006, 22:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XfP47BqLXM
watch plenty of it and play the game sunshine, hodge is a gun but he ain't as hard as the other 2 at the ball plus anyone can get 30+ possessions without an opponent running off half back if u had watched last year buddy, judd is more damaging than him by far
OMG, you play the game?!?! gee, thats rare for people on bigfooty.
If you seriously think hodge aint hard at the ball and that he plays off of halfback you haven't been watching the game very closely. He's been in the middle for every game this year and most of last year as well.
And if you had gone to watch your team play hawthorn in round 20 last year you'd know this as he tore your midfield a new one.
The Magenius
26 Apr 2006, 04:23
Judd, no question.
I'm much happier that we have Juddy then Hodge. No doubt Hodge is a great player, fantastic player in fact, and there is no shame in the Hawks taking him as No.1, but Juddy is still better. And crow-mo, to say that Hodge was much better then Judd last year shows that you know :D:D:D:D all about footy.
The Don't Argue
26 Apr 2006, 15:25
How original, I'd never even thought of comparing these 3 players before, and I'm sure nobody else on this forum has either.
Keep it up! :rolleyes:
OneEyedHawk
26 Apr 2006, 19:36
yeah well wait til hodge starts getting the attention judd already gets then we can judge as hodge played more of a sweepers role last year off half back anyone can get 30+ with no opponent so will b interesting when he is closely checked and he ain't exactly a hard ball getter as judd and ball r
Terrible post. Firstly, he hasn't played that sweeping half-back role since 2004. Plays in the middle, all game, every game.
"He aint' exactly a hard ball getter"...WTF game are you watching?
kimbopen
26 Apr 2006, 19:51
Not even worthy of a response ... but I'll put one forward anyway.
All three players do their respective jobs very well for their respective clubs. Obviously, all 3 are and will continue to be champion players for their clubs.
I refuse to buy into this "Player X >>>> Player Y" bullshizen, coz that's all it is.
Grow up, and come up with a poll that actually makes people think.
Ooops ... sorry I forgot where I was for a second. BF, where morons and prepubescents reign supreme.
d-mac3276
26 Apr 2006, 20:53
Terrible post. Firstly, he hasn't played that sweeping half-back role since 2004. Plays in the middle, all game, every game.
"He aint' exactly a hard ball getter"...WTF game are you watching? the same game u watch goonie gee and u barrack 4 em, judd brownlow 1 hodge brownlow 0 nuff said nuffy
kimbopen
26 Apr 2006, 21:04
the same game u watch goonie gee and u barrack 4 em, judd brownlow 1 hodge brownlow 0 nuff said nuffy
Who are you calling nuffy? Hodge has had only 2 full preseasons (this and last years) ... considering Judd has had 4 and Ball probably 3, I'd suggest that the jury is STILL OUT on this and will be for quite some time yet.
I don't give a fat rat's ars3 about Judd's Brownlow - I'd suggest we wait till the end of their careers before we compare and say "my p3nis is bigger than yours".
Grow up moron.
OneEyedHawk
26 Apr 2006, 21:27
the same game u watch goonie gee and u barrack 4 em, judd brownlow 1 hodge brownlow 0 nuff said nuffy
Umm..okay then.:confused:
*backs away slowly, not making any sudden movements*
Rough_Edges
26 Apr 2006, 21:54
Ball = Hodge > Judd
d-mac3276
26 Apr 2006, 21:55
Who are you calling nuffy? Hodge has had only 2 full preseasons (this and last years) ... considering Judd has had 4 and Ball probably 3, I'd suggest that the jury is STILL OUT on this and will be for quite some time yet.
I don't give a fat rat's ars3 about Judd's Brownlow - I'd suggest we wait till the end of their careers before we compare and say "my p3nis is bigger than yours".
Grow up moron. who asked 4 ur opinion peanut if i wanted ur opinion i would of farted
suntagonal
29 Apr 2006, 13:34
Who are you calling nuffy? Hodge has had only 2 full preseasons (this and last years) ... considering Judd has had 4 and Ball probably 3, I'd suggest that the jury is STILL OUT on this and will be for quite some time yet.
I don't give a fat rat's ars3 about Judd's Brownlow - I'd suggest we wait till the end of their careers before we compare and say "my p3nis is bigger than yours".
Grow up moron.
I dunno i heard somewhere maybe SEN or something that this year was Juddy's first preseason.. I may be wrong but i couldn't find any evidence to support it tho.
d-mac3276
30 Apr 2006, 00:19
Who are you calling nuffy? Hodge has had only 2 full preseasons (this and last years) ... considering Judd has had 4 and Ball probably 3, I'd suggest that the jury is STILL OUT on this and will be for quite some time yet.
I don't give a fat rat's ars3 about Judd's Brownlow - I'd suggest we wait till the end of their careers before we compare and say "my p3nis is bigger than yours".
Grow up moron. wheres hodges 37 touches 7 tackles and 4 goals peanut and yes i called u a nuffy and now im calling u a peanut knuckle head just face it judd by far
wheres hodges 37 touches 7 tackles and 4 goals peanut and yes i called u a nuffy and now im calling u a peanut knuckle head just face it judd by farCheck out these. If I added his clearance and rebound 50s and inside 50s they'd be even more impressive. In his last 20 games, his least amount of disposals are 23!! And he uses the ball. Not taking anything away from Juddy though, he's a star. One in a million. I'm happy with Hodge though.
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TheBigUnit
30 Apr 2006, 01:19
Who would you rather considering leadership, their future ability, match winning ability, hardness and any other factor that may be important?
All 3 are terrific players and do a great job for their teams, neither of the clubs made any major blunders here. Juddy is definitely ahead in terms of accolades atm, but I'm sure the other 2 will win their fair share in the future and maybe even catch him up, although that will definitely take some doing.
Kings Army
1 May 2006, 12:36
All 3 are guns but Judd can go to another level that Hodge and Ball cannot.
This weekend game was incredible from Judd. Matthews has played against and coached some of the greats but rarely does he speak about an opposition player like he did on the weekend.
"Thats about as good as you can play on ball"
Judd is the best of the three.
One of the best individual games I have seen in a long time. Really stepped up in the absence of Kerr and Cousins. Legend.
And 23 of his disposals were hard ball gets. Also kicked 4 goals. Amazing.
Not taking anything away from Hodge, but I don't think Hodge can dominate a game the way Juddy can. I haven't seen him do it as often as Juddy anyway.
d-mac3276
1 May 2006, 14:09
Check out these. If I added his clearance and rebound 50s and inside 50s they'd be even more impressive. In his last 20 games, his least amount of disposals are 23!! And he uses the ball. Not taking anything away from Juddy though, he's a star. One in a million. I'm happy with Hodge though.
http://static.flickr.com/52/136870163_c6e4aced6e_o.png SAVE YA STATS PAL JUST WATCH SATDEES GAME WEST COAST V BRISBANE AND WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT THERE
andrew_embley
2 May 2006, 01:13
All 3 are guns but Judd can go to another level that Hodge and Ball cannot.
This weekend game was incredible from Judd. Matthews has played against and coached some of the greats but rarely does he speak about an opposition player like he did on the weekend.
"Thats about as good as you can play on ball"
Judd is the best of the three.
:thumbsu:
Juddy!!!!
ball is a good player, hodge is verging on being a superstar, judd is damn near being a deity.
CyberKev
2 May 2006, 14:30
In terms of smarts, its very difficult to seperate Hodge & Ball.
In terms of skills, Hodge wins, no doubt.
In terms of courage, its also hard to separate Ball & Hodge, perhaps leaning slightly toward the former.
In terms of leg speed and line-breaking power, Judd is easily ahead.
In terms of player diversity, you can't look past Hodge.
In terms of future development, Hodge has the most upside.
In terms of career performances to date, Judd is clearly ahead.
In terms of performances since all players could claim full fitness, Hodge leads.
What all this means in a more concrete sense is anyone's guess...
All I'll say is that I'm very happy with Hodge thanks.
Kings Army
3 May 2006, 11:25
In terms of smarts, its very difficult to seperate Hodge & Ball.
In terms of skills, Hodge wins, no doubt.
In terms of courage, its also hard to separate Ball & Hodge, perhaps leaning slightly toward the former.
In terms of leg speed and line-breaking power, Judd is easily ahead.
In terms of player diversity, you can't look past Hodge.
In terms of future development, Hodge has the most upside.
In terms of career performances to date, Judd is clearly ahead.
In terms of performances since all players could claim full fitness, Hodge leads.
What all this means in a more concrete sense is anyone's guess...
All I'll say is that I'm very happy with Hodge thanks.
In terms of match winning ability - Judd
In terms of changing a game through brilliance - Judd
In terms of leadership - Judd and Ball
In terms of Bias:
Hodge for the Hawks supporters
Ball for the saints supporters
Judd for the majority of knowledgeable footabll supporters
I agree. Supporters of Hawthorn, St Kilda and West Coast will all back their own man but I don't support any and reckon Judd is the best. Hodge is a great player and Ball is very courageous but Judd can turn a game in an instant with his pace and freakish skills. I wouldn't complain if i had any of them on my team but Judd is the one I'd pick first. He's a captain, brownlow medallist, Norm Smith medallist and can always impact a game in some way. He's my pick of the lot
Judd, because we need a guy who can break the lines.
eagles_chick
7 May 2006, 17:31
Judd by a mile.
sydney eagle
7 May 2006, 18:05
Gee I wish someone would pay me a dollar for every one of these (fill in the name of player or players her) vs Judd threads !!
Scotland
15 Jun 2007, 01:35
Hodge to bring up game number 100 this round. Ball not far behind with 96. Judd will pull on the blue and gold for the 127th time.
Judd has managed a full season more of football than the other two (hasn't had the same injury troubles), and to date is still the better performed of the trio.
After the better part of 100 games for each. For mine:
Judd > Hodge > Ball :thumbsu:
Lynch takes a mark
15 Jun 2007, 02:02
the gap between Hodge and Judd is closing
fast
delirious1
15 Jun 2007, 03:33
Hodge will be a very good player for us, but judd is the best player in the comp, hodge is knocking on the top 20, not arguable
lookkg386
15 Jun 2007, 08:14
hawthorn supporters - Hodge
everyone else who can admit they made a mistake - Judd
JKCeagle
15 Jun 2007, 12:13
Ah, the infamous parallel between the 1984 NBA Draft & the 2001 AFL Draft...
As always, pick #3 Michael Jordan/Chris Judd >>> pick #1 Hakeem Olajuwon/Luke Hodge >>>>>>>>> pick #2 Sam Bowie/Luke Ball.
Doesn't everybody know this by now? :)
if they had the draft over again i think it would go
1. Judd
2. Hodge
3. Ball
Lynch takes a mark
17 Jun 2007, 01:28
Ah, the infamous parallel between the 1984 NBA Draft & the 2001 AFL Draft...
As always, pick #3 Michael Jordan/Chris Judd >>> pick #1 Hakeem Olajuwon/Luke Hodge >>>>>>>>> pick #2 Sam Bowie/Luke Ball.
Doesn't everybody know this by now? :)
Scary isn't it ?
Hodge/the dream - awesome player, vital to the team structure and Hall of fame I think
Ball/bowie - promising start but injuries robbed him
Judd/Jordan - one of the best to ever play the game
marcmurphy3
17 Jun 2007, 02:18
Judd then Hodge. I would take Mitchell, Bartel and DalSanto all before Ball.
Drummond
17 Jun 2007, 02:26
Hodge. :thumbsu:
Hodge will be a very good player for us, but judd is the best player in the comp, hodge is knocking on the top 20, not arguable
:thumbsu:
well done
Raffa04
19 Jun 2007, 19:51
Judd by a country mile.
Achieved more in his first hundred games than Hodge & Ball combined.
We might not have seen the best of Ball & Hodge for various reasons, but who's to say we've seen the best Judd has to offer.
Judd by a country mile.
Achieved more in his first hundred games than Hodge & Ball combined.
We might not have seen the best of Ball & Hodge for various reasons, but who's to say we've seen the best Judd has to offer.Agree, expect for the country mile thing.