Blues AND Roos START TALKING!

[Mr Chuckles]

Collins is jumping ship.

Kangas may be headed to the Gold Coast.

It's time for you guys to swallow a giant piece of pride and start to talk merger. It's that or becoming something none of you would consider in a drunken stupor: Queenslanders!!; or non-existent!!!

Carlton could use some shinbone and North could use some class.

It even makes sense geographically! Your colours are principally Blue & White! For f***s sake Blues and Roos even rhymes!

Your membership would instantly be the highest in Melbourne and your future would be secure!

Why would it be so bad?

If all you can answer is "I don't wanna barrack for those d***heads down the road!" then you are a moron and you don't care about your club!

BAM!!!

[JeffDunne]

Throw Hawthorn into the merger and you could have the Blues, Roos & Poos.

[Hawkk]

Why start this...I mean why?

What is gained from starting this crap...what?

Can someone delete this thread PLEASE!

[Thewlis Dish]

So we can get 4K to a game at Carrara instead of 7K to a game at Manuka. Awesome.

[bluechampion]

Collins is jumping ship.

Kangas may be headed to the Gold Coast.

It's time for you guys to swallow a giant piece of pride and start to talk merger. It's that or becoming something none of you would consider in a drunken stupor: Queenslanders!!; or non-existent!!!

Carlton could use some shinbone and North could use some class.

It even makes sense geographically! Your colours are principally Blue & White! For f***s sake Blues and Roos even rhymes!

Your membership would instantly be the highest in Melbourne and your future would be secure!

Why would it be so bad?

If all you can answer is "I don't wanna barrack for those d***heads down the road!" then you are a moron and you don't care about your club!

BAM!!!

The only teams that seriously entertained merging were... Melbourne and Hawthorn.

And look at you now?

[mattyc2422]

Stupid thread and I'm surpised a Hawthorn fan would post a pro-merger thread.

[Funkalicous]

It's time for you guys to swallow a giant piece of pride and start to talk merger. It's that or becoming something none of you would consider in a drunken stupor: Queenslanders!!

Become Queenslanders?! :eek:

Say it isn't so! :eek:

[Hawkk]

The only teams that seriously entertained merging were... Melbourne and Hawthorn.

And look at you now? You couldn't be further from the truth!

Carlton, has been one of the highest pro merger candidates for years! You looked seriously at Sydney, North and Fitzroy, North being the highest profile one.

In fact every Victorian club has looked at merging with one side or another over the years

[Hawkk]

Stupid thread and I'm surpised a Hawthorn fan would post a pro-merger thread.
Couldn't agree more :thumbsu:

[coasting]

So who would be the coach?

Laidley

or

Denis "give me the draft picks" Pagan

?

[mediumsizered]

The only teams that seriously entertained merging were... Melbourne and Hawthorn.

And look at you now?
It is quite amusing coming from a Hawthorn supporter. They had the chance to merge and enjoy the success that the Lions have enjoyed, but they all got sucked in by Don Scott's little hissy fit and have been sitting in the bottom half of the ladder virtually every year since then.

Let the dorks supporters enjoy the moral high ground that comes from beating a team minus its 2 key forwards. I look forward to the return clash when we have Fev and Waite in the team and our midfield again dominates the clearances against the, supposed, clearance kings. They perhaps should have a chat to the Tigers supporters about getting too far ahead of themselves (see 2005).

[MightyFighting]

North and Carlton should start talking, but only about sharing training facilities.

[mediumsizered]

North and Carlton should start talking, but only about sharing training facilities.
Commonsense at last. Definitely the only talks these 2 clubs should be having.

[Hawkk]

It is quite amusing coming from a Hawthorn supporter. They had the chance to merge and enjoy the success that the Lions have enjoyed, but they all got sucked in by Don Scott's little hissy fit and have been sitting in the bottom half of the ladder virtually every year since then.

Let the dorks supporters enjoy the moral high ground that comes from beating a team minus its 2 key forwards. I look forward to the return clash when we have Fev and Waite in the team and our midfield again dominates the clearances against the, supposed, clearance kings. They perhaps should have a chat to the Tigers supporters about getting too far ahead of themselves (see 2005).
I can't stress enough I don't agree with what the first poster said (it's a crap post and thread), but surely it's been a success NOT merging. We have one of the highest memberships, and have played in 2 finals series and won a piece of silver ware. Heck we even have a nest!

I would safely say it sure as hell beats not having a team at all :thumbsu:

[Hawkk]

Commonsense at last. Definitely the only talks these 2 clubs should be having.
The only talk both teams should have is about North perhaps playing a game or 2 at Princes Park (against low drawing games)

Arden Street is getting a make over!

[bluechampion]

You couldn't be further from the truth!

Carlton, has been one of the highest pro merger candidates for years! You looked seriously at Sydney, North and Fitzroy, North being the highest profile one.

In fact every Victorian club has looked at merging with one side or another over the years

Really? Please, fill me in.

[Tas]

We need nothing that Carlton has to offer.

Starting July I think the facilities are getting a $7 million facelift which will give us good facilities.

[Hawkk]

Really? Please, fill me in.
Ask John Elliot...

[bluechampion]

Ask John Elliot...

Is that what you did?

[trebuchet]

still cant see many wins coming

[Hawkk]

Is that what you did?
Ask a Roo supporter regarding the innital proposed merger followed by the proposed takeover during the late 1980's and early 1990's. Carlton offered to play 11 games in Sydney in 1992 and on more then one occasion offered to merge with Fitzroy (8 clubs offered, of course other then North they weren't considered 'fair' by the Roy administration)

[True_Blue]

We need nothing that Carlton has to offer.

Starting July I think the facilities are getting a $7 million facelift which will give us good facilities.

That's fine with us we are in the process of geting a 10 - 20 million upgrade

[Mr Chuckles]

Then quite frankly...Say goodbye...Start winding down. One of you will not be here in 10 years.

No one has really given a decent answer as to why not...Just a few babies whining.

[Flag Man]

It even makes sense geographically! Your colours are principally Blue & White! For f***s sake Blues and Roos even rhymes!



Hawthorn to merge with Werribee?

The sewerage farm, not the footy club.



As for your merge idea, you would have more hope of merging Osama Bin Laden and George W Bush.

[Mr Chuckles]

ONE decent reply as to why not...I'm looking for ONE...ONE!!! And I'm not getting it. I'll say it again : ONE DECENT REPLY.

Come on Football fans, I know you got it in you.

[Flag Man]

ONE decent reply as to why not...I'm looking for ONE...ONE!!! And I'm not getting it. I'll say it again : ONE DECENT REPLY.

Come on Football fans, I know you got it in you.

How can a stupid question expect a logical answer.

2 + 2 = Purple Labrador.

[Hawkk]

Box Hill would be a better match Flag Man.....

I kinda like our jumper, we are not ashamed to wear it week in week out...unlike some of our counter parts ;)

[bluechampion]

Ask a Roo supporter regarding the innital proposed merger followed by the proposed takeover during the late 1980's and early 1990's. Carlton offered to play 11 games in Sydney in 1992 and on more then one occasion offered to merge with Fitzroy (8 clubs offered, of course other then North they weren't considered 'fair' by the Roy administration)

I do think you're confusing merge with take-over.

[Mr Chuckles]

Flag Man...You will forever live in the land of the blind...You will die there.

[bluechampion]

ONE decent reply as to why not...I'm looking for ONE...ONE!!! And I'm not getting it. I'll say it again : ONE DECENT REPLY.

Come on Football fans, I know you got it in you.

How's this:

Merging two teams with financial trouble doesn't solve any problems - it just gives one organisation twice as much debt?

[MrAaron]

Collins is jumping ship.

Kangas may be headed to the Gold Coast.

It's time for you guys to swallow a giant piece of pride and start to talk merger. It's that or becoming something none of you would consider in a drunken stupor: Queenslanders!!; or non-existent!!!

Carlton could use some shinbone and North could use some class.

It even makes sense geographically! Your colours are principally Blue & White! For f***s sake Blues and Roos even rhymes!

Your membership would instantly be the highest in Melbourne and your future would be secure!

Why would it be so bad?

If all you can answer is "I don't wanna barrack for those d***heads down the road!" then you are a moron and you don't care about your club!

BAM!!!

nothing short than you being an absolute loser. go headbutt a mirror LOSER :thumbsd:

How many members do Hawthorn have ? My bet is well under 30k. now that is crap. And your coach ? now don't get me started on him. worst in the league except for the freo coach.

[The Magenius]

We need nothing that Carlton has to offer.

Starting July I think the facilities are getting a $7 million facelift which will give us good facilities.
And who is paying for that ???

[Hawkk]

nothing short than you being an absolute loser. go headbutt a mirror LOSER :thumbsd:

How many members do Hawthorn have ? My bet is well under 30k. now that is crap. And your coach ? now don't get me started on him. worst in the league except for the freo coach.
Agree with the post being crap, and I can tell you NO Hawthorn supporter has the right to question a club's future given our state BUT

Our membership isn't that bad (looking most likely to crack the 30,000 barrier) and I'm sure our coach is better then a few doing the rounds at the moment (the view is looking pretty from 3rd!)

[Corrosion]

Yes Mr Chuckles, let's merge two clubs that are both in debt. I can just see the size of your brain now...

[ManWithNoName]

In fact every Victorian club has looked at merging with one side or another over the years
Oh dear...

I think this one quote destroys all credibility you had left.

[Hawkk]

Oh dear...

I think this one quote destroys all credibility you had left.
Even Collingwood had a look at Fitzroy in the mid 1990's!

[Flag Man]

Flag Man...You will forever live in the land of the blind...You will die there.

I am the one eyed king.

You are the blind.

[Mr Chuckles]

You're a lonely, sad man. With more bull$#%! than brains.

Only the smallest of all men think themselves a king.

I doubt you even have a girlfriend

[Mr Chuckles]

Yes Mr Chuckles, let's merge two clubs that are both in debt. I can just see the size of your brain now...

Your brain size matters little when you can remember things that happened in the recent past...Say, like the AFL getting 780 mil for broadcast rights.

Merge. Get $$$ from Daddy. Struggle no more.

It's sad that that even has to be explained.

[Flag Man]

You're a lonely, sad man. With more bull$#%! than brains.

Only the smallest of all men think themselves a king.

I doubt you even have a girlfriend

Once again someone is interested in my personal life.

Am I that fascinating?:D

Send me a pic, but you better have titties.

[Mr Chuckles]

"titties" ????

Oh sorry I didn't realise you were so charming...I'm CONVINCED you have a girlfriend now...

[Jeremias]

Commonsense at last. Definitely the only talks these 2 clubs should be having.

nah, trade week at the end of this year will be very interesting... i reckon we may be able to get two first round picks for livingston or prendergast, or both!

:D

[bluechampion]

Your brain size matters little when you can remember things that happened in the recent past...Say, like the AFL getting 780 mil for broadcast rights.

Merge. Get $$$ from Daddy. Struggle no more.

It's sad that that even has to be explained.

If the solution is a hand-out, why bother with the merge?

[Fanatico]

Collins is jumping ship.

Kangas may be headed to the Gold Coast.

It's time for you guys to swallow a giant piece of pride and start to talk merger. It's that or becoming something none of you would consider in a drunken stupor: Queenslanders!!; or non-existent!!!

Carlton could use some shinbone and North could use some class.

It even makes sense geographically! Your colours are principally Blue & White! For f***s sake Blues and Roos even rhymes!

Your membership would instantly be the highest in Melbourne and your future would be secure!

Why would it be so bad?

If all you can answer is "I don't wanna barrack for those d***heads down the road!" then you are a moron and you don't care about your club!

BAM!!!

Carlton success rate: 60.6%
Hawthorn success rate: 46.4%

Making Carlton the most successfull side in the afl. Dont even bother replying, goodnight.

[JF_Bay_22_SCG]

Throw Hawthorn into the merger and you could have the Blues, Roos & Poos.

Hey, we very nearly had the Eastern Suburbs Liberal-voting Superteam the Melbourne Hawks.

Imagine how many Range Rovers would have been parked at their matches! :thumbsu:

JF

[Frankston Rover]

Hey, we very nearly had the Eastern Suburbs Liberal-voting Superteam the Melbourne Hawks.

Imagine how many Range Rovers would have been parked at their matches! :thumbsu:

JF


HAW HAW. Funny one that, considering your club was such a basket case it got kicked out of the state. :thumbsu:

We voted AGAINST the merge. It was the Melbourne fans that had no heart.

BTW, I think the Kangablues has a nice ring to it....... :D

[Hawkk]

Hey, we very nearly had the Eastern Suburbs Liberal-voting Superteam the Melbourne Hawks.

Imagine how many Range Rovers would have been parked at their matches! :thumbsu:

JF
Ease up!

[Corrosion]

Your brain size matters little when you can remember things that happened in the recent past...Say, like the AFL getting 780 mil for broadcast rights.

Merge. Get $$$ from Daddy. Struggle no more.

It's sad that that even has to be explained.

And so, if the AFL used that money to help the struggling clubs, then there would be no need for a merger. Which would be the right way to go.

[zero]

what an awful prospect. i hate the idea of hybrid clubs. not only are they neither of the clubs, effectively ending both, but they leave this monstrosity that is a sad imitation of both around to torture supporters

better to move and keep your colours, i say

ahhh, im so much of a football tragic that i would be a supporter of the new club, anyway.

[m0nty_]

The Roubles has a nice ring to it.

[Mr Chuckles]

Struggling clubs isn't the only issue, (Brain)Corrosion. It's also making way for the second Queensland team without moving one of the Melbourne teams.

Stop pretending we can support 10 Victorian teams forever...fool.

[Flag Man]

Canberra: 9500

Carrara: 8258 (and a much larger relative population)

Canberra is lining up with more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, and we have 1600 members there.

North are staying in Canberra and Melbourne.

The Brumbies are leaving = more $$$$$$$$$$

End of discussion.

Next?

[Hawkk]

1250 members in Canberra ;)

[apollo_creed]

Denis 'Brilliant coaching record, 2 time AFL Premiership Coach' Pagan

>

Dean 'IQ Negative' Laidley

[Cassius_Clay]

Denis 'Brilliant coaching record, 2 time AFL Premiership Coach' Pagan

>

Dean 'IQ Negative' Laidley
But Dennis has claimed a spoon.

[Mr Chuckles]

Flag Man...you are a blind moron. How can you so vehemently (and stupidly)defend against a merger and then happily shop your so-called beloved team interstate (RE: 9500). You poor hypocritical fool. Surely living and breathing in Melbourne is better than the alternative.

PS. I apologise if you don't know what vehemently means, I know it's a big word.

[mark73]

Flag Man...you are a blind moron. You poor hypocritical fool.
Hypocrisy has never reeked so bad.

['Bam!'bell Brown]

Bump...Uber-relevant!

[jacko57]

Collins is jumping ship.

Kangas may be headed to the Gold Coast.

It's time for you guys to swallow a giant piece of pride and start to talk merger. It's that or becoming something none of you would consider in a drunken stupor: Queenslanders!!; or non-existent!!!

Carlton could use some shinbone and North could use some class.

It even makes sense geographically! Your colours are principally Blue & White! For f***s sake Blues and Roos even rhymes!

Your membership would instantly be the highest in Melbourne and your future would be secure!

Why would it be so bad?

If all you can answer is "I don't wanna barrack for those d***heads down the road!" then you are a moron and you don't care about your club!

BAM!!!
Perhaps we can hook you up with Ian Ridley to talk mergers......surely someone has kept that velcro hawk, just in case ?

[Rod Stroker]

Bump...Uber-relevant!
Why? This thread ran out of steam 9 months ago and not much has changed at Carlton or North in that time. How is it any more relevant now? With the Roos committing to 3 games a year on the GC and the Arden Street development going ahead I would say we are further away from a merger.

[Jarka]

Stupid thread and I'm surpised a Hawthorn fan would post a pro-merger thread.

Not surprising at all considered how well hawk fans have embraced Kennett

[catman2006]

The AFL would like to merge the clubs in a geographical sense
Hawthorn - Stkilda Southern and Eastern suburbs
Geelong - Western bulldogs Western suburbs and south west Victoria
Melbourne - Richmond Inner City
Carlton - North Melbourne Northern suburbs
Essendon Northeastern suburbs
Collingwood - Outer city

Only problem with the AFL is then no one would watch or play if they did this.

[souvo_fc]

Why is it that so many fans are completely against merging?

Does anybody think old Fitzroy supporters are sittin at home crying with the 3 premierships they won as a direct result of merging? I doubt it, and if anyone out there is, that's woeful. I find it funny that you would trade back 3 flags just to still be the fitzroy lions at 16th place,lol

Club history is important, but when the chance to become a superpower comes knocking, take it, esp if your club is so far in trouble that the light at the end of the tunnel is 10+ years away.....

Im not saying Carlton should, i dont know their financial situation 100%.. just making a point about the anti-merger stance of victorian supporters. In the end a 14 team 26 game season would be ideal and most importantly FAIR, and that can only happen with 2 mergers.

[Roylion]

Does anybody think old Fitzroy supporters are sittin at home crying with the 3 premierships they won as a direct result of merging?

Quite a few Fitzroy supporters have had nothing to do with the Brisbane Lions. They don't regard the Brisbane Lions as THEIR club and don;t recongise the flags aas being Fitzroy's.

I doubt it, and if anyone out there is, that's woeful.

Why?

I find it funny that you would trade back 3 flags just to still be the fitzroy lions at 16th place,lol

As I said there's quite a few Fitzroy supporters that don't regard their club as having won three flags. As far as they are concerned the Brisbane Lions are not the same club as the Fitzroy Lions. I support Brisbane, but even I recogise their three flags between 2001-03 are not Fitzroy Football Club premierships. Fitzroy has 8 VFL-AFL premierships and 1 VFA-VFL premiership.

[Hawkk]

Only problem with the AFL is then no one would watch or play if they did this.

Pretty much

[ManWithNoName]

Why is it that so many fans are completely against merging?

Does anybody think old Fitzroy supporters are sittin at home crying with the 3 premierships they won as a direct result of merging? I doubt it, and if anyone out there is, that's woeful. I find it funny that you would trade back 3 flags just to still be the fitzroy lions at 16th place,lol

Club history is important, but when the chance to become a superpower comes knocking, take it, esp if your club is so far in trouble that the light at the end of the tunnel is 10+ years away.....

Im not saying Carlton should, i dont know their financial situation 100%.. just making a point about the anti-merger stance of victorian supporters. In the end a 14 team 26 game season would be ideal and most importantly FAIR, and that can only happen with 2 mergers.
I guess when you've only won one flag in over 100 years you'd do anything for a flag, even kill your club.

[jacko57]

I guess when you've only won one flag in over 100 years you'd do anything for a flag, even kill your club.
Good call ! :D

[pazza]

Given the Blues did own North shares for many years, I'm surprised that it didn't happen..a long time ago.

[pharro]

Given the Blues did own North shares for many years, I'm surprised that it didn't happen..a long time ago.

North Melbourne came closer to merging with Essendon than they ever did with Carlton.

[zero]

while im on this thread a few pages back saying this was a terrible idea, iv totally changed my mind. the carlton kangaroos has a great ring to it.

theres so much you could do with it. merge the two clubs at princess park, and you instantly have one of the biggest clubs in the country of any code, and neither club becomes a queensland club.

enter two more feeder clubs to the VFL, the carlton blues and the north melbourne kangaroos, both with the old colours. so all the old diehards can get down to watch their old club and take their kids to a game (just like we have in the WAFL and SANFL), the best of both worlds.

the blues and north have their identity guaranteed for another 100 years. plus you are a big popular and competitive club, and you start playing 17 or 18 games a year in melbourne and have the resources to chase premeriships.

then you can sell your spare licence to the southport sharks for 12 mill, get out of debt and invest for the future.

[HBF]

Collins is jumping ship.

Kangas may be headed to the Gold Coast.

It's time for you guys to swallow a giant piece of pride and start to talk merger. It's that or becoming something none of you would consider in a drunken stupor: Queenslanders!!; or non-existent!!!

Carlton could use some shinbone and North could use some class.

It even makes sense geographically! Your colours are principally Blue & White! For f***s sake Blues and Roos even rhymes!

Your membership would instantly be the highest in Melbourne and your future would be secure!

Why would it be so bad?

If all you can answer is "I don't wanna barrack for those d***heads down the road!" then you are a moron and you don't care about your club!

BAM!!!

Given the amount of influential and powerful Carlton supporters we have out there, if push came to shove, I reckon they would part with some of their hard earned $$$$.

Do names like Richard Pratt, Daniel Grollo, Harold Mitchell and Col DeLutis mean anything to you. And these are just names that have come off the top of my head. Not only could these 4 gentlemen get us out of the red, we'd be that far in the black we'd never have to worry about going into debt ever again!

[benny_furs]

The Carlton Kangaroos

Sounds good!

[jacko57]

Given the Blues did own North shares for many years, I'm surprised that it didn't happen..a long time ago.
The purchase of shares in North was a cynical attempt at a backdoor takeover..........in the end, it cost them money, and achieved nothing......a bit like the Legends Stand, the Elliott Stand, salary cap cheating.............need I go on ?

[Rory]

Carlton Blue Roos has a good ring to it :)

[gangsta deluxe]

A merger will not occur. The AFL will not allow it. Having 15 clubs would call for severe adjustments to the way the season currently operates. The AFL have not and cannot, in the near future(this year or next), come up with a plan to deal with an AFL composed of only 15 teams. Furthermore, There isnt any interstate team that could instantly become an autonomous AFL team at this stage.

The AFL would probably prefer that a club, probably the roos, move their base of operations to Carrara over the next few years and slowly become amalgamated with Southport. This would solve Victoria's current problem(we cant sustain 10 teams!), and would not involve any of the pain caused to supporters like a merger or a team folding would.

[Warwick]

Why do people keep linking the kangaroos with Southport??

Just because one is possibly on the brink of being more heavily involved on the coast, and the other is the largest team there, doesn't mean the two will join together and play happy families.

[Tas]

Why do people keep linking the kangaroos with Southport??

Just because one is possibly on the brink of being more heavily involved on the coast, and the other is the largest team there, doesn't mean the two will join together and play happy families.

We have closer ties with Broadbeach. Southport is not even on the radar.

As to the merge idea, why would North or Carlton even consider it? The AFL would have to offer a ridiculous sum of money for it even to be economically viable.

[souvo_fc]

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Originally Posted by souvo_fc http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6629990#post6629990)
Does anybody think old Fitzroy supporters are sittin at home crying with the 3 premierships they won as a direct result of merging?

Quite a few Fitzroy supporters have had nothing to do with the Brisbane Lions. They don't regard the Brisbane Lions as THEIR club and don;t recongise the flags aas being Fitzroy's.


-----Well then they are basically fools. Fitzroy would have gone under if it weren't for the merger and everyone who jumped off the ship knows it. There is too much "pride" and basis on the "history" of a club in this sport. In the end, the flag are Fitzroy because they are a part of the brisbane LIONS, no denying it. Just because the home ground has moved, it makes no difference to the fact that Fitzroy is a part of that team.


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Originally Posted by souvo_fc http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6629990#post6629990)
I doubt it, and if anyone out there is, that's woeful.

Why?

--Becuase they have jumped ship out of spite. Deal with the fact fitzroy is still alive and embrace the top club that emerged.


Quote:
Originally Posted by souvo_fc http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6629990#post6629990)
I find it funny that you would trade back 3 flags just to still be the fitzroy lions at 16th place,lol

As I said there's quite a few Fitzroy supporters that don't regard their club as having won three flags. As far as they are concerned the Brisbane Lions are not the same club as the Fitzroy Lions. I support Brisbane, but even I recogise their three flags between 2001-03 are not Fitzroy Football Club premierships. Fitzroy has 8 VFL-AFL premierships and 1 VFA-VFL premiership.


--Clearly they arent Fitzroy FC flags, i never said they were. But thats who the club is now and as i said before, its still a part of fitzroy.




Mergers dont equal death of a club, its a new beginning.

[souvo_fc]

I guess when you've only won one flag in over 100 years you'd do anything for a flag, even kill your club.


Gee Wizz, Originality must be your middle name ay???

I've said it before and i'll say it again,

Those who continue to look to the past have a bleak future.

Only current day matters, and Essendon does not even come close to the saints, or the other 14 teams for that matter... deal with it buddy.

['Bam!'bell Brown]

while im on this thread a few pages back saying this was a terrible idea, iv totally changed my mind. the carlton kangaroos has a great ring to it.

theres so much you could do with it. merge the two clubs at princess park, and you instantly have one of the biggest clubs in the country of any code, and neither club becomes a queensland club.

enter two more feeder clubs to the VFL, the carlton blues and the north melbourne kangaroos, both with the old colours. so all the old diehards can get down to watch their old club and take their kids to a game (just like we have in the WAFL and SANFL), the best of both worlds.

the blues and north have their identity guaranteed for another 100 years. plus you are a big popular and competitive club, and you start playing 17 or 18 games a year in melbourne and have the resources to chase premeriships.

then you can sell your spare licence to the southport sharks for 12 mill, get out of debt and invest for the future.

Exactly...It's the perfect plan...unfortunately with merging two Vic clubs you get two super-Egos thrown into the mix...If not for that, it's the perfect solution!

['Bam!'bell Brown]

A merger will not occur. The AFL will not allow it. Having 15 clubs would call for severe adjustments to the way the season currently operates. The AFL have not and cannot, in the near future(this year or next), come up with a plan to deal with an AFL composed of only 15 teams. Furthermore, There isnt any interstate team that could instantly become an autonomous AFL team at this stage.

The AFL would probably prefer that a club, probably the roos, move their base of operations to Carrara over the next few years and slowly become amalgamated with Southport. This would solve Victoria's current problem(we cant sustain 10 teams!), and would not involve any of the pain caused to supporters like a merger or a team folding would.

15 Teams?

The North Blues + Southport Sharks...16 Teams.

[JeffDunne]

Carlton should merge with Melbourne Victory.

[sainter35]

Carlton should merge with Melbourne Victory.


I honestly dont believe "Carlton" and the word "Victory" really go that well together...

[Gabbie]

The purchase of shares in North was a cynical attempt at a backdoor takeover..........in the end, it cost them money, and achieved nothing......a bit like the Legends Stand, the Elliott Stand, salary cap cheating.............need I go on ?


and hasn't that come back to bite em on the bum?

After reading all the posts re Carlton's "dilemma" from way up here in NORTH Qld all I can say is KARMA BABY!

Those ex-silver tail arrogant tossers are getting back in truck loads what they've dished out over the years to not just us, but to all those other struggling clubs in Vic and that's just their management.

Suffer in your jocks.

what's that saying "Pride comes before a fall" should also include "GREED &CHEATING"

[JeffDunne]

I honestly dont believe "Carlton" and the word "Victory" really go that well together...

True . . . but in keeping club traditions alive they could "buy" what they can't earn.

Princes Park must be worth something for Victory . . . and . . . . ok, I'm struggling for why Victory would be interested but it would be good for Carlton. :thumbsu:

[juzza316]

I honestly dont believe "Carlton" and the word "Victory" really go that well together...

how about "St. Kilda" and "Premierships"? Do they go together well?

[Roylion]

Well then they are basically fools. Fitzroy would have gone under if it weren't for the merger and everyone who jumped off the ship knows it.

But the merge with the Brisbane Bears wasn't the choice of the Fitzroy Football Club board. Their choice was to merge with a Melbourne based club (North Melbourne). Some Fitzroy people (essentially born and bred Victorians) find it difficult to identify with a club that is based two states away, even if they do have a Fitzroy identity. Just remember that no Fitzroy Football Club director has ever served on the Brisbane Lions board. For that and other reasons, some Fitzroy people do not recognise the Brisbane Lions as part of the Fitzroy Football Club that they supported.

In the end, the flag are Fitzroy because they are a part of the brisbane LIONS, no denying it.

They do deny it. That's the point. The Fitzroy Football Club still exists as a completely seperate legal entity that has little to do with the Brisbane Lions. They have their own revenue streams, their own board, their own functions, and so on. In 2006, the Fitzroy Football Club had over 1,000 members. Being a member of Fitzroy Football Club does not make one automatically a member of the Brisbane Lions.

Just because the home ground has moved, it makes no difference to the fact that Fitzroy is a part of that team.

I support the Brisbane Lions, but imagine that I was a Fitzroy supporter that doesn't. How would you convince me that the Fitzroy Football Club is an important part of the Brisbane Lions? And that it was important enough to justify supporting it from over 2,000 km away.

Becuase they have jumped ship out of spite.

And why shouldn't they? Many felt that Fitzroy was betrayed by the AFL. They see it as being forced into an interstate merger that the Fitzroy board didn't want. They rarely see the club in Victoria, no Fitzroy Football Club director has been on the Lions board. Brisbane sued a number of Fitzroy directors after the merger. And the Fitzroy Football Club still exists in their own right. For those reasons many want nothing to do with the AFL ever again.

Deal with the fact fitzroy is still alive and embrace the top club that emerged.

Fitzroy Football Club IS still alive.

www.fitzroyfc.com.au


Clearly they arent Fitzroy FC flags, i never said they were. But thats who the club is now and as i said before, its still a part of fitzroy.

They believe the Fitzroy Football Club is now the 'Fitzroy Football Club', not the Brisbane Lions.

www.fitzroyfc.com.au

The Fitzroy Football Club that currently exists is the exact same entity that once held an AFL licence.

Mergers dont equal death of a club, its a new beginning.

If the Blues and Kangaroos were to merge in whatever form, a NEW club would begin. All records and history begin anew.

[Coin_Toss]

Eddie McGuire is going nowhere. Sorry for spoiling your hopes.

[gangsta deluxe]

15 Teams?

The North Blues + Southport Sharks...16 Teams.

southport cannot instantly become an autonomous AFL team. This would take a few years

[Barry Zuckercorn QC]

Carlton should merge with Melbourne Victory.

I think thats a snide reference to your bosom-buddies earlier reference to monobrows. Personally, I think a monobrow would compliment our monoflag rather well. :)

[D Mitchell]

Eddie McGuire is going nowhere. ....
Stick to footy, leave his business life out of it.

[VanBerlo=God]

Throw Hawthorn into the merger and you could have the Blues, Roos & Poos.
and st kilda too, then you ********ers might have some silverware to hold onto...

[Kingpin]

Gotta love these arrogant little f*ckwits who think they can tell supporters of other clubs, be it merged ones or whatever how they should think, and who/how they should support, and what they should be doing after seeing their clubs they've supported all their lives be no longer the same.

[zero]

A merger will not occur. The AFL will not allow it. Having 15 clubs would call for severe adjustments to the way the season currently operates. The AFL have not and cannot, in the near future(this year or next), come up with a plan to deal with an AFL composed of only 15 teams. Furthermore, There isnt any interstate team that could instantly become an autonomous AFL team at this stage.

The AFL would probably prefer that a club, probably the roos, move their base of operations to Carrara over the next few years and slowly become amalgamated with Southport. This would solve Victoria's current problem(we cant sustain 10 teams!), and would not involve any of the pain caused to supporters like a merger or a team folding would.
southport are ready to come in on their own. should the blues and roos merge, southport will enter directly and immediately

they have been ready and waiting for some time, it wont take a few years at all.