Richmond Rivalry

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I have been involved in some debate lately about the rivalry with Richmond being on the up again as a result of their success over us this year.

How do you view the Richmond rivalry? Do you take them seriously? Does it hurt to lose to them as much as it does against Collingwood or Essendon?

[Dan26]

Since not many people are responding to this topc, can I chime in?

Now, obviously I am not a Blues fan, but I have always felt that Carlton is Richmond's greatest rival. The Tigers are certainly not Carlton's greatest rival, but the Blues are Richmond's biggest rival.

I think there is more hatred from the Richmond side towards Carlton than there is for Carlton towards Richmond. Most of those annual Herald-Sun surveys list Essendon and Collingwood as the most despised teams for Carlton fans.

The Tigers and Blues played in the 1969,72,73 and 82 Grand Final, so over that 13 years, the two clubs hated each others guts. But the Tigers have had too many "down" periods for them to be hated by Blues fans to the same extent as the Bombers and Pies. That's the feeling I get, anyway.

But personally I love the Carlton-Richmond rivalry. I havn't missed a Blues-Tigers game for 4 years. They are always must see blockbusters for me.

[mrboy]

odn- as a blues supporter i feel sad when we lose, no matter what team, especially if its one we should have won.

thats y i am still shocked at that win the tigers pulled off.

thank you brisbane for thrashing richmond in the prelimineries.

[Blue Blood]

If Richmond can have another couple of good years then they could be right up there with essendon and collingwood. Richmond and Carlton do have alot of male fans in there 20's and 30's so the rivalry could be as fierce as ever again in the near future.

[The Starchild]

Dan you're pretty spot on, Carlton have been 1/2 of the biggest rivalries of the past 3 decades, 70's Richmond 80's Collingwood 90's Essendon well actually Collingwood was big all the way through.

Now we're in the 2000's I don't think there's much doubt the biggest rivalry in the league is Carlton-Essendon, from both sides. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[blues^rock]

the rivalry between richmond and carlton is quite big but nowhere near as big as the ones between us and essendon and collingwood.
i do hate richmond and lsoing to them really does sting but i would prefer losing to them than losing to essendon or collingwood... actually that's not quite true. recently it has not been THAT bad losing to essendon, in 2000 the first two times we played them we tried our hardest and ALMOST won but didn't and yeahit hurt but it wasn't DEVESTATING and in the prelim... well thre was just no way we were ver gonna win that one...with all our injuries and can u imagine what it would be like for essendon to lose two years in a row to carlton in a prelim when it aws obvious they were the best team in teh comp. and deserved o win the GF... but yeah now i think losing to essendon would be just as bad as it always was wit hthem on teh decline coming close just isn't good enough.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If Collingwood start making the finals again, that deep seeded hatred from Blues fans will come back with a vengeance. I think that is why the Tigers rivalry has had a kick along. They destroyed SOS' 300th game and knocked us out of the finals by employing negative tactics. We believed we had the better team but could do nothing about it!

The Carlton v Essendon rivalry is undoubtedly the biggest of the moment but it doesn't have quite the heartfelt emotion passed down through the ages that the Richmond or Collingwood rivalries do.

I get more satisfaction from beating Essendon right now because they threated our status in the games history and my Carlton arrogance won't stand for that. If Richmond or Collingwood were to join us on 16 flags for example, they would be the object of my hatred more so than the Bombers.

[Dan26]

Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's
If Richmond or Collingwood were to join us on 16 flags for example, they would be the object of my hatred more so than the Bombers.

And if St.Kilda won the next 15 flags in a row, beating Carlton in, say, 6 of them, they would be the object of your hatred too, as they joined you on 16 flags.

Richmond and Collingwood are NOT on 16 flags. One is on 10, the other on 14. Naturally, the teams that are the most successful, and threaten the others superioty will generate the most hatred. That is consistent with just about any sport I can think of.

I could say that : "If the Kangaoros were to join us join 16 flags, they would be the object of my hatred more so than Carlton"

[Dan26]

Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's
The Carlton v Essendon rivalry is undoubtedly the biggest of the moment but it doesn't have quite the heartfelt emotion passed down through the ages that the Richmond or Collingwood rivalries do.

It's strange that you say that given that Carlton and Essendon have met in 6 Grand Finals against each other. Only Melbourne and Collingwood (who met each other seven times) have met more often in head-to-head match-ups.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Originally posted by Dan26


And if St.Kilda won the next 15 flags in a row, beating Carlton in, say, 6 of them, they would be the object of your hatred too, as they joined you on 16 flags.

Richmond and Collingwood are NOT on 16 flags. One is on 10, the other on 14. Naturally, the teams that are the most successful, and threaten the others superioty will generate the most hatred. That is consistent with just about any sport I can think of.

I could say that : "If the Kangaoros were to join us join 16 flags, they would be the object of my hatred more so than Carlton" Your missing the point entirely Dan. St Kilda does not have a particular rivalry with us so they would not be the object of my hatred necessarily unless they created a rivalry with us that I bought into along the way. I [I]personally[/B] feel the underlying tensions with Richmond and Collingwood more than I do with the Bombers in general terms. But because of our standing as the two leading teams in the competition and wanting to outdo each other, that rivalry is definitely at the forefront right now. I hypothesised that if Collingwood and/or Richmond were level in terms of success I would feel more hatred for them than Essendon. No amount of theorising or statistics can change that feeling. Now I acknowledge that this is a sliding opinion. It changes based on circumstances as they change. Now I have softened my stance since last year where I out and out broadcast Collingwood as our greatest rivals because the personal intensity wasn't there as much as it had been previously for me. But with Richmond I feel a resurgence and it is not simply about two losses they inflicted on us. It is about the ghosts of the past resurfacing to reignite that passion.

Don't get me wrong, I hate Essendon. It's just that rather than pure hatred, they just get under my skin a lot ..... much like yourself on occasion. ;) I promise that if St Kilda win the next 15 flags to join us on 16, I will hate Essendon more! There, are you satisfied now? :D

[Dan26]

Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's
I hypothesised that if Collingwood and/or Richmond were level in terms of success I would feel more hatred for them than Essendon

As a Bombers fan, I hate the clubs who are most near us in terms of success. In other words I despise Carlton the most followed by Collingwood.

If, St.Kilda won the next 16 premierships to go to 17, I'd hate them more than Carlton.

You can hate whoever you want, of course, but if Richmond and Collingwood were both on 16 flags I'd find it strange if you hated them MORE than Essendon (I would have thought the same amount) when Essendon and Carlton Grand Final match-ups span from 1908 to 1993 - a bigger span that any other match-up.

Maybe, it's because we have been a quieter club, not as boastful as Collingwood, that makes you feel that way, because there have been no shortage of Essendon-Carlton match-ups in finals during the years, that's for sure.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I think that may be a point Dan. I may have taken more than my share of ribbing from Collingwood and Richmond fans in my time but then there are some infuriating gloaters amongst the Essendon faithful. I think the difference may be that some fans are in your face even when they have no reason to be while others will remain relatively quiet until they have reason to get noisy. I bet you can think of someone right away when I say that! ;)

Anyway, enough of being conciliatory, with any luck this thread can win an award for 2002 despite being started in 2001. :D

[Dan26]

Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's
I think the difference may be that some fans are in your face even when they have no reason to be while others will remain relatively quiet until they have reason to get noisy. I bet you can think of someone right away when I say that! ;)

If you're implying I "wait" until an opportune moment to get noisy, I can tell you I am in your face, even if I have no reason to be. ;)

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I was referring more to those that make outlandish statements with no basis in truth whereas others are more calculated and can back up what they say a little better. Does that point to the culprit or team any better?

[Dan26]

Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's
I was referring more to those that make outlandish statements with no basis in truth whereas others are more calculated and can back up what they say a little better. Does that point to the culprit or team any better?

Loz?

[Bluey]

I booted Loz... sorry :)

[TigerTank]

I couldn't care less about respective Premiership tallies.

The Carlton v Richmond "rivalry" (hatred) has as much to do with what has happened in the Grandstand over the years as it has on the football field.

Ditto for Collingwood.

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Originally posted by Dan26


Loz? haha, I actually wasn't looking in my own backyard so I will let the issue slide:o . We could look more towards sides that don't make the finals but still maintain their superiority. ;)

[Dan26]

Originally posted by TigerTank
I couldn't care less about respective Premiership tallies.

That's because your club only has 10. :o

:p

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Originally posted by Dan26


That's because your club only has 10. :o

:p Like post tallies, it's not the size of your premiership tally that counts. Of course I say that from a position of supremacy as well. ;) Err, flags I mean, not posts .... umm ... you know what I mean.:o