The Team Vs Tigers [Archive]

go_the_bombers

4 May 2006, 17:55

jules101

4 May 2006, 18:01

IN: Courtney Johns, Scott Camporeale, Dean Rioli, Jason Laycock
OUT: Damien Peverill, Andrew Welsh, Patrick Ryder, Henry Slattery (all omitted)

Happy with that... Would have kept slats in the team tho.

DaSawx

4 May 2006, 18:10

Happy with that... Would have kept slats in the team tho.

Yeah dunno why he got dropped, I would have kept Weshy for Bolt's too, I just thought he was slowly getting there, but I guess they know more than me :o

Alright Mr. Johns - TIME TO DELIVER BIG BOY!!! (just pray it doesn't rain)

eastaugh36

4 May 2006, 18:12

Interesting. In his post match press conference he put big wraps on Slattery for the future and said Peverill came in and sort of got back to his form of past years.

sheller891

4 May 2006, 18:17

welsh getting dropped infront of some other players is a bit disappointing but he has been in a RUT

slattery should not of been dropped.

mcphee_is_a_gun

4 May 2006, 18:17

Interesting. In his post match press conference he put big wraps on Slattery for the future and said Peverill came in and sort of got back to his form of past years.
he also said Johns wouldnt be playing....

essendon

4 May 2006, 18:17

You would drop MJ before Slats & Welshy
Good to see the direction where heading too by dropping Slats (youth ???), and I see no sign of Dyson anywhere either. We do have Johns and Laycock as the youngies, but im all for youth no matter how many there are to play
then again how fit are some of these players coming in, i reckon Welshy and Slats will still play

Longy413

4 May 2006, 18:19

I don't think Johns will play.
I reckon Slattery will take his place.

Although I don't know if there is a match-up for Henry and Richmond are short down back.

I think it's safe to say, predicting selection is near on impossible at EFC.

Karlostj

4 May 2006, 18:35

Sheeds said Johns wouldn't be playing, interesting...

there are rumours going around that Monfries could be a little sore...

Slats could come in for him...

I'm surprised to see Johns named given what sheedy has said. However I'd like to see him play, so hopefully he'll run out on sat. we'll have to see what happens at training tomorrow I guess....

eastaugh36

4 May 2006, 18:36

I'm ultra confident for some reason and that's strange as I'm normally very negative, in fact, I haven't tipped us all season! Saturday night will be a first.

Darealrath

4 May 2006, 18:40

I don't think Johns will play.
I reckon Slattery will take his place.

If that's the case then i'm very happy with selection.

Would like to see Johns get a few games at Bendigo first, though i must admit with all the hype around him it creates a bit more interest if he plays

Laycock > Ryder
Campo > Pev
Rioli > Welsh

Bit simplistic because Campo and Rioli play different roles to the other two. I guess with Johnson and Brown out we don't need to go overboard with tagging so that would count against Pev and Welsh getting a game.

Longy413

4 May 2006, 18:53

I guess with Johnson and Brown out we don't need to go overboard with tagging so that would count against Pev and Welsh getting a game.

I was thinking about that today. I guess Deledio is one player that could really hurt us, the other Tuck. And of course Bowden off half-back.

McVeigh to Deledio, Watson might go with Tuck ala Scott West.
Not sure how we will try and stop Bowden, I presume he'll go to Lucas.

Darealrath

4 May 2006, 19:03

I was thinking about that today. I guess Deledio is one player that could really hurt us, the other Tuck. And of course Bowden off half-back.

McVeigh to Deledio, Watson might go with Tuck ala Scott West.
Not sure how we will try and stop Bowden, I presume he'll go to Lucas.

Agree with Watson on Tuck. I'd put Heff on Deledio. McVeigh maybe on Krakeour as we seem to be lacking guys who can play on small forwards and he can also go with him in the midfield.

Darealrath

4 May 2006, 19:22

Not sure how we will try and stop Bowden, I presume he'll go to Lucas.

Ha for some reason i was thinking of Patrick Bowden. He'll be a problem if our disposal going forward is slow and/or inaccurate. Just got to back our guys to hit targets instead of trying anything too fancy imo.

Karlostj

4 May 2006, 19:42

Looking at match ups and the number of quality players in each side, there is no reason why we shouldn't smash this side. Our revamped midfield isn't fantastic, but I think it is better then Richmonds, although, Tuck, Delidio and co aren't terrible. But it is a little thin in terms of rotations.

Our backline should be able to contain their forward, other Richo is a danger.

If johns, rioli, Lucas, Hird, Monfries and lovett line up in the forward line that is a reasonably impressive forward line that should be able to get on top of their backline...

We'll see what happens on sat, but if we lose this then it is not a good sign for Essendon FC.

windyhill

4 May 2006, 19:50

Welsh ? About time.

Nuts4Bolts

4 May 2006, 20:21

It would be unfair to Johns, to pick him and have him not play. He has a heap of pressure from the fans after all his hype and finally he gets named and doesn't play. I think it would just place more pressure on him.
Laycock seems logical for Ryder. Slat's could be a bit unlucky. Pev was a no brainer. And although I've been calling for Welsh, Solomon and MJ to be dumped, which realistically wasn't going to happen, I'm glad at least one of them has gone. Places the other two in the gun and we'll see if they can respond.

DaSawx

4 May 2006, 21:25

marcuz

4 May 2006, 21:42

Unfair, unless they've told him about the plan to name him and maybe put Richmond off a little

Im sure he has the richmond coaching staff in a deep panic at this very minute.....seriously why does Sheeds still do this bull:D:D:D:D?

mad-bomber

5 May 2006, 08:29

IN: Courtney Johns, Scott Camporeale, Dean Rioli, Jason Laycock
OUT: Damien Peverill, Andrew Welsh, Patrick Ryder, Henry Slattery (all omitted)

1. Mark Johnson 31. Dustin Fletcher 16. Kepler Bradley

42. Nathan Lovett-Murray 33. Adam McPhee 7. Dean Solomon

26. Chris Heffernan 4. Jobe Watson 17. Scott Camporeale

5. James Hird 25. Scott Lucas 24. Brent Stanton

27. Jason Laycock 21. Courtney Johns 13. Andrew Lovett

19. David Hille 14. Jason Johnson 10. Mark McVeigh

Interchange
23. Mark Bolton 8. Jason Winderlich 6. Angus Monfries 43. Dean Rioli

EMERGENCIES
12. Andrew Welsh
30. Patrick Ryder
20. Henry Slattery

I think dropping Welsh and Slattery was a bit harsh. I think there have been a few players who were probably worse than those two. I think Pev was treated a bit harshly too.

I think a better change would have been Solomon out for Slattery and Winderlich out for Peverill.

I like Johns and Laycock in up forward. Give the forward line a better structure and gives the players coming up the ground a focal point in the forward 50, as Lloyd would normal do.

Dropping Ryder will do the kid the world of good. Give him a whole game at Bendigo and see how he goes. Had a taste of the big time, now time to go back and work on his skills and to learn the game a bit more.

Longy413

5 May 2006, 09:15

So dropping Welsh and Peverill is harsh, but dropping Winderlich wouldn't be?

DaSawx

5 May 2006, 09:36

Im sure he has the richmond coaching staff in a deep panic at this very minute.....seriously why does Sheeds still do this bull:D:D:D:D?

Who knows why, he did play well against them in Mildura, I'm guessing he's trying to put them off, but who :D:Ding knows

foj1

5 May 2006, 10:40

So dropping Welsh and Peverill is harsh, but dropping Winderlich wouldn't be?

I guess the only way to quantify that statement is to say Welsh and Peverill have proven they can play AFL footy- Winderlich hasnt. Saying that I think it is good they are giving Winderlich an opportunity to prove himself one way or another. The only reason you would play Bolton would be to play on Bowden as a offensive tagger and try and take him out of the play- preferably Row 15If we lose this week our season is just about dead and playing players such as Bolton in front of Slattery, Reynolds and co would only illustrate that Sheedy is more concerned with his winning ratio rather than the long term future of our playing list.

mad-bomber

5 May 2006, 12:16

I guess the only way to quantify that statement is to say Welsh and Peverill have proven they can play AFL footy- Winderlich hasnt. Saying that I think it is good they are giving Winderlich an opportunity to prove himself one way or another. The only reason you would play Bolton would be to play on Bowden as a offensive tagger and try and take him out of the play- preferably Row 15If we lose this week our season is just about dead and playing players such as Bolton in front of Slattery, Reynolds and co would only illustrate that Sheedy is more concerned with his winning ratio rather than the long term future of our playing list.

Thanks foj1.... couldn't have put it better myself.

Just thought that Welsh was hard done by in the Hawks game as he wasn't give much game time, and same goes for Pev. They have proven they can play.

I think Winderlich has been given plenty of tme to prove himself, but just doesn't seem up to AFL standard. I must admit though, his game against the Hawks was definitely the best I have seen him play.

And I think Slattery has been the one player from the group over young players who has reallty stepped up, with Monfries the next best, and I thimk it may have a slightly negative affect on him being dropped. Although, Sheedy might just be looking at the matchups in the back half against the tigers and he doesn't fit.

Its Just my 2 cents worth.....

whirl

5 May 2006, 12:23

Thanks foj1.... couldn't have put it better myself.

Just thought that Welsh was hard done by in the Hawks game as he wasn't give much game time, and same goes for Pev. They have proven they can play.

I think Winderlich has been given plenty of tme to prove himself, but just doesn't seem up to AFL standard. I must admit though, his game against the Hawks was definitely the best I have seen him play.

They've both proved that they are in shocking form, Pev and Welsh both. Winderlich played better than them last week imho. Welsh has been given 5 weeks to turn it around, that's his senior player grace period.

Longy413

5 May 2006, 12:25

But again, these two points contradict -

Just thought that Welsh was hard done by in the Hawks game as he wasn't give much game time

I think Winderlich has been given plenty of tme to prove himself, but just doesn't seem up to AFL standard.

He hasn't been given game time, he hasn't been given the opportunities to fully display what he has to offer. He's been good the last fortnight, he's made mistakes (no more than anyone else), but he's worked very very hard, he tackles, chases, kicks goals and creates scoring opportunities.

In the first quarter last week he kicked a goal, from a free kick after being out numbered 3-1. He then had a hand in our next two. He was the only bloke on our side who moved the ball forward with purpose rather than trying to spot up short targets.

Let the kid play and run and we have ourselves a player, he has the attributes.

Karlostj

5 May 2006, 12:36

Final training must be finished now... I wonder if anything happened that might give an indication of any changes...

I hope that Johns lines up on saturday as well as Laycock and Rioli.

Longy413

5 May 2006, 12:39

I really don't expect Johns to play.

Warrack Eagles

5 May 2006, 12:45

Id like to see big johns play at full forward and kick 10 lol hope he throws that huge frame around and knocks a couple of them richmond wan*ers round a bit. Would be good to see slats stay in the team really like him had a tough job last week. Also brings back memories of gazza ODonald in that back pocket. The good old days.:cool:

Smokin

5 May 2006, 13:26

I think Johns will play. I actually think we really need him.

What I mean by this is that it is obvious we really need to be straightened up. Our forward line is a bit of a mess at the moment, and letting the whole team down. It's not necessarily the individuals, but the system. We are a mess going forward. We had our most inside 50's for the past 3 seasons (according to Lloyd on WLF last night), yet still managed an ordinary score.

We dont have a genuine target, and it is causing our forward line to have very little structure or system. Someone like Johns or Laycock playing at forward can have a huge effect on our team, even if they dont get a stat! They will force us to straighten up, and make life infinitely easier for guys like Lovett, Monfries, Winda etc, as well as the the midfield who can now start to work towards some sort of structure. We were best against Hawthorn when Hird was up forward, because he gave us a target, thus structure.

I really like our Ins this weekend. Laycock cant be worse than Ryder, lets face it, poor Ryder's body is a while off being competitive. I think he might even struggle size-wise at VFL level. Rioli and Campo will give a good deal of bit in the skills department - our turnovers into the forward line have killed us in every game...these two guys are arguably our highest skilled players. Johns will give structure no doubt. He trained all week, so hopefully is ready.

having said that, Johns will probably miss haha...but we do need structure and he can provide it without kicking a goal. At worst he will take a major defender, something Richmond arent exactly blessed with atm.

blumfieldisback

5 May 2006, 13:55

i agree with the last quote that we need johns as part of our structure.

however i have a feeling johns wont play and sheeds will play ryder which i then change my tip from essendon to richmond, because at the moemnt ryder is development magoos player he is not rready for seniors and should not be rushed.

slattery made a few mistakes against collingwood and hawthorn.

I cant understand why dyson does not get a fair go, he deserves a better chance then ryder.

whirl

5 May 2006, 14:14

Can Dyson play ruck can he? That's the only real reason why Ryder was in the side. Because we only had 2 rucks left standing.

I imagine if we only had 2 midfielders left and Dyson was one of them he'd be playing seniors too. Unfortunately he's just not playing as well as we'd like and that's why he's out - it's not like they've ignored him in the past for no reason.

Longy413

5 May 2006, 14:21

Dyson isn't getting a chance because he's playing crap footy.
He needs a spell in the two's, he isn't doing the things that make him a good footballer at the moment.

As whirl said, Ryder was playing out of need. Realistically we wouldn't have seen him this year had Laycock been fit. That being said the experience he would have got from the first five weeks will do great things for him.

marcuz

5 May 2006, 14:24

Ok ease up on the negative talk re dyson you two, I've stated before its a bootable offence.

marcuz

5 May 2006, 14:30

Good to see laycock back in the team for the simple fact we'll be able to kick it long to a contest and know we have a guy down there who can take a grab. Its a nice change to the midgets we have been kicking to of late.

mad-bomber

5 May 2006, 14:40

But again, these two points contradict -

He hasn't been given game time, he hasn't been given the opportunities to fully display what he has to offer. He's been good the last fortnight, he's made mistakes (no more than anyone else), but he's worked very very hard, he tackles, chases, kicks goals and creates scoring opportunities.

In the first quarter last week he kicked a goal, from a free kick after being out numbered 3-1. He then had a hand in our next two. He was the only bloke on our side who moved the ball forward with purpose rather than trying to spot up short targets.

Let the kid play and run and we have ourselves a player, he has the attributes.

Longy413..... As I had said earlier, last week was Winderlichs best game for Essendon. I agree that he was probably our best player in the first half. I hope he proves me wrong. I hope he does kick on and become a good/great player. I hope this is the first sign of good things to come. I was just saying that up until the last 2 weeks, he hadn't stepped up to the mark.

I like Welsh and think that it was harsh that he didn't get a lot of game time last week. Yes his form hasn't been wonderful, but Sheeds putting him up into the forward line is not going to help him either. Hope the run for Bendigo does him the world of good. Am planning on going out to Coburg to watch Bendigo on Sunday and will be interested to see how he goes.

I also hope Courtney Johns plays. We need to get him out there and see what he can do. If he is fit, then he should play.

Longy413

5 May 2006, 15:11

I'm a huge Welsh fan as well. Just thought the reason's you would have kept Welsh in the side can also be applied to Winderlich.

In reality a senior player had to be dropped, an example had to be made to hopefully make a statement to the other blokes that aren't performing as they should be. Welsh drew the short straw.

Although I wouldn't be suprised if he was a late inclusion for Johns, as much as I would like to CJ out there.