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BOG for Coburg yesterday in shocking conditons (especially for a big man) .
Has strung a couple of good ones in a row now .
For people to be saying he is dud is just completely ridiculous and shows a lack of football knowlege that i am sick of listeneing to .
So for the ill informed , once again ... "Talls take longer to develop"
They require patience and time for thier bodies to fill out . Talls/ruckmen just do not walk into sides in thier first and second years and dominate . They are always works in progress .
Start looking at the big picture here and get off this kids back . Whilst his skill level needs work , he looks like a real work horse who will throw his body in and stays all day ... given time he will be a goer for our club.
Wake up to yourselves
Wally Matera
8 May 2006, 22:20
Praise the Lord!!! Finally someone talking sense. :thumbsu:
I wrote in a thread the exact same things only last week and it plsses me off to no end, how people are so quick to jump on Patto's back.
I have kept that thread to remind me of all the fools that will need a reality check in a couple of years time.
Totally agree with you on this IDGAF!!!
;)
Darth_Tiger
8 May 2006, 23:09
So for the ill informed , once again ... "Talls take longer to develop"
They require patience and time for thier bodies to fill out . Talls/ruckmen just do not walk into sides in thier first and second years and dominate . They are always works in progress .
if they do dominate they are the exception rather than the rule. 100% behind patto. he will take time, but will come good i am sure. i cant believe how many people have been bagging him. as i said in another thread, what was simmonds doing at his age? patto will be a ruck not a chf and the sooner we realise he needs development and get off his back the better.
rfctigerarmy
8 May 2006, 23:16
I would but hes just so damn tall... is too far down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
Rancid_Beasties
8 May 2006, 23:24
No doubt that in two years time, with Richo still here (I hope) to teach Patto and Cleaver how to be key forwards (well except the kicking:D), we will have a formidable forwardline (Patto will be like Ottens I think, a forward/ruck rather than a full time ruckman, besides we'll still have Simmonds). Especially when you add JON, who is pretty tall and seems a likely forward type once he bulks up a bit, Patty Bowden, Petts and Browny. Still a way off how good our midfield is looking, but a mile ahead of our backline. We really need to pick up our game and recruit some key backs next year, schultz should be a fringe/backup player, not our number 1 option up back.
rfctigerarmy
8 May 2006, 23:27
When Richmond win a flag, Schulz will not be our CHB if on the field at all.
If anything, he should be a full forward but he cant because Richo > Schulz.
Rancid_Beasties
8 May 2006, 23:29
When Richmond win a flag, Schulz will not be our CHB if on the field at all.
If anything, he should be a full forward but he cant because Richo > Schulz.
Richo > Brown > Simmonds > Deledio > Stafford > Cleve > Pattison > Schulz as far as players who can play full forward go.
roostertalk
8 May 2006, 23:33
in my opinion schulz must still do plenty to even earn fringe player status. tough side to break into, with thursty fit i wouldnt be giving jay a sniff on form. Razor has proven more and made the most of his opportunity. the back six should consist of a combination of: Ak Gas Newmo Raines Bowden Hall Will Polo and Hartigan. People speak of our lack of height back there...if you ask me thats the perfect mix of genuine defenders and rebounders. Chaff and Schulz are next in line.
Polo although kicking 3 on debut is a quality defender, capable of being very accountable but also getting a kick.
rfctigerarmy
8 May 2006, 23:34
Richo > Brown > Simmonds > Deledio > Stafford > Cleve > Pattison > Schulz as far as players who can play full forward go.
He could also play midfield except
Tuck > Deledio > Newman > Hyde > .. etc.. > Schulz :p
roostertalk
8 May 2006, 23:36
pretty exciting,most depth we've had for a very long time, forcing the middle tier to step up and earn a spot. Hyde and Tivendale have recognised this and taken their game to a new level.
The Dice Man
8 May 2006, 23:40
Agreed IDGAF, but teh same can and should be said for Schultz who hasnt had a smooth start to the year this or last year and is still very young also.
Add in Roach too. He showed a bit before he got his jaw busted and may have been ready to come on.
In fact you can say the same for all the players on our list under 22, give them a break and let them develop naturally without the pressures of expectation from fans. The coaching staff know better than us and while they're on our list they all deserve the same chance.
Just take a look at Raines as an example of what a couple of years development can do.
Rancid_Beasties
8 May 2006, 23:41
He could also play midfield except
Tuck > Deledio > Newman > Hyde > .. etc.. > Schulz :p
You mean Polo > Tuck > Deledio > Newman > Hyde > .. etc.. > Schulz hahaha
tigerboyz
8 May 2006, 23:43
So is he a ruckman or is he forward,sorry what is he again?.
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/A/Adam_Pattison.html
Wally Matera
8 May 2006, 23:55
Forgive me... but somehow l thought this thread was in relation to Patto, not Schulz.
Silly me :rolleyes:
I hope it wasnt the same supporters that were trolling Patto in another thread only 5-6 days ago.
Forgive me... but somehow l thought this thread was in relation to Patto, not Schulz.
Silly me :rolleyes:
.
It was for a minute...
Although ive never been a fan I've not been one of his knockers....or have I?:confused:
Kurtis G
9 May 2006, 01:38
Schulz will be great just think about all the injurys the poor bloke has had to deal with.
Im not so big on Ray Hall but he is playing his part with some guys out of the side. How (suprisingly) good has our defence been since we lost those guys to injury? Fantastic. Its our backline winning us the games at the moment not the forwards if you ask me. Cant wait to get Chaff back in there, add some class and someone to rebound and run up the wing.
Although it's unpopular I actually wouldn't re-sign Gaspar at seasons end. The fact remains Ray Hall, although at the start of his career looking like a complete and utter hack has improved greatly, particularly under wallace. Perhaps the greatest low point was when he played on Hird and Hird kicked 5 in a quater. Despite this Razor looks like he actually wants to be a footballer lately.
Patto has to make it in the ruck. Although it seems too early to judge the fact remains that he isn't agile or quick enough for a key position so we better hope for the best in that he turns out like a Darcy as Wallace was hoping. Although I doubt this will happen I think he will easily replace Stafford as of next year (not that I think Knobel should be in our side (one trick poney like rodan))
Definitely agree with the sentiments that you should all back off Patto, we're in the process of re-signing him which is great news, the club is showing faith in him and giving him the time to reach his potential.
Can't believe the crap Schulz is copping here either.
BOG for Coburg yesterday in shocking conditons (especially for a big man) .
Shocking conditions for a big man, but ideal conditions for Patto. The heavy rain took all the pace out of the ground (to borrow a racing reference) and meant that a wet-track plodder like Patto could thrive.
None of that pesky having to be quick. He just put the big body in front all day, worked hard, knocked people over and used his motor to get around the ground.
No suprise he thrived in those conditions. We know that he is a good lad with a big heart. Telstra Dome under the roof with the game going at 100 mph is another beast entirely.
a wet-track plodder like Patto could thrive.
...and how did you rate the skills of last weeks leading goal kicker ? :p
Punt_Road_Roar
9 May 2006, 12:50
BOG for Coburg yesterday in shocking conditons (especially for a big man) .
Has strung a couple of good ones in a row now .
For people to be saying he is dud is just completely ridiculous and shows a lack of football knowlege that i am sick of listeneing to .
So for the ill informed , once again ... "Talls take longer to develop"
They require patience and time for thier bodies to fill out . Talls/ruckmen just do not walk into sides in thier first and second years and dominate . They are always works in progress .
Start looking at the big picture here and get off this kids back . Whilst his skill level needs work , he looks like a real work horse who will throw his body in and stays all day ... given time he will be a goer for our club.
Wake up to yourselves
yeah, we cant have too many of our kids coming through at once, I'm excited enough as it is !! :D :thumbsu:
CoggaRules
9 May 2006, 12:59
BOG for Coburg yesterday in shocking conditons (especially for a big man) .
Has strung a couple of good ones in a row now .
For people to be saying he is dud is just completely ridiculous and shows a lack of football knowlege that i am sick of listeneing to .
So for the ill informed , once again ... "Talls take longer to develop"
They require patience and time for thier bodies to fill out . Talls/ruckmen just do not walk into sides in thier first and second years and dominate . They are always works in progress .
Start looking at the big picture here and get off this kids back . Whilst his skill level needs work , he looks like a real work horse who will throw his body in and stays all day ... given time he will be a goer for our club.
Wake up to yourselves
relax ID, what you might be losing sight of is that, yes talls take longer to develop and more often than not, they dont rack up a host of BOGs in the 2s doing that. Unfortunately for Patto, his form in the 2s warrants call ups to the seniors and to this stage there is a distinct gap between what happens in the 2s and what happens in the 1s. Now time will tell, and maybe the now climate in the 1s is non conducive to carrying a big man with an L plate.
If say the season starts to fizzle out and become one of pure experimentation, with no relevance in winning, IMO, they should put him in the side, and get 10 games into him, with max game time, for him to be able to really assess what is required and what he needs to work on over a pre-season, pace and kicking being pretty much the favs.
You cant learn much, when you dominate week after week at Coburg, all you do is dominate others in the same boat.;)
...and how did you rate the skills of last weeks leading goal kicker ? :p
Slow over the first 2-5m. Needs to play in traffic and use his handball. Kicking is hit and miss but looks a lot worse than it actually is. He miskicks plenty but they seem to get where he intends them to.
Great debut but lets see how he goes over the next 15 weeks against teams that actually have a midfield.
Slow over the first 2-5m. Needs to play in traffic and use his handball. Kicking is hit and miss but looks a lot worse than it actually is. He miskicks plenty but they seem to get where he intends them to.
Great debut but lets see how he goes over the next 15 weeks against teams that actually have a midfield.You know very well that i was referring to your musings pre him ever playing senior footy .
Your right though ... he has made a fair rod for his back living up to his debut . But as most sage scribes have said ... looks like he was born to play AFL footy :thumbsu:
turtle27
9 May 2006, 13:38
Definitely agree with the sentiments that you should all back off Patto, we're in the process of re-signing him which is great news, the club is showing faith in him and giving him the time to reach his potential.
Can't believe the crap Schulz is copping here either.Ditto jezza, still think Schulz will be part of a very successful Richmond side over the next ten years. The injuries he's had have all been very ordinary, yet he still keeps coming back.
Bojangles17
9 May 2006, 14:03
It was for a minute...
Although ive never been a fan I've not been one of his knockers....or have I?:confused:
I dunno, ask tigerboyz, he'd seem to know all about knockers:p
he'd seem to know all about knockers:p
I`m more of an @rse man myself
Bojangles17
9 May 2006, 14:30
Slow over the first 2-5m. Needs to play in traffic and use his handball. Kicking is hit and miss but looks a lot worse than it actually is. He miskicks plenty but they seem to get where he intends them to.
Great debut but lets see how he goes over the next 15 weeks against teams that actually have a midfield.
these days there are so many youngsters being palyed week in week out that there should always be a stanton type match up to pair him with...dont worry your self weaver....:confused:
get off pattos back... hes had stress fractures there haha. on his pace, he did finish pretty high in the 3 km run at draft camp so at least he can run for a bit
jackson_rules
11 May 2006, 21:49
Shocking conditions for a big man, but ideal conditions for Patto. The heavy rain took all the pace out of the ground (to borrow a racing reference) and meant that a wet-track plodder like Patto could thrive.
None of that pesky having to be quick. He just put the big body in front all day, worked hard, knocked people over and used his motor to get around the ground.
No suprise he thrived in those conditions. We know that he is a good lad with a big heart. Telstra Dome under the roof with the game going at 100 mph is another beast entirely.
i reckon patto will make it as an above average ruckman, who can rest up forward do you agree weaver?
Bentleigh
11 May 2006, 22:21
BOG for Coburg yesterday in shocking conditons (especially for a big man) .
Has strung a couple of good ones in a row now .
For people to be saying he is dud is just completely ridiculous and shows a lack of football knowlege that i am sick of listeneing to .
So for the ill informed , once again ... "Talls take longer to develop"
They require patience and time for thier bodies to fill out . Talls/ruckmen just do not walk into sides in thier first and second years and dominate . They are always works in progress .
Start looking at the big picture here and get off this kids back . Whilst his skill level needs work , he looks like a real work horse who will throw his body in and stays all day ... given time he will be a goer for our club.
Wake up to yourselves
:thumbsu:
Bentleigh
11 May 2006, 22:26
Shocking conditions for a big man, but ideal conditions for Patto. The heavy rain took all the pace out of the ground (to borrow a racing reference) and meant that a wet-track plodder like Patto could thrive.
None of that pesky having to be quick. He just put the big body in front all day, worked hard, knocked people over and used his motor to get around the ground.
No suprise he thrived in those conditions. We know that he is a good lad with a big heart. Telstra Dome under the roof with the game going at 100 mph is another beast entirely.
wet-track plodder, who happens to be 2 meters tall.
Thats a new one...
i reckon patto will make it as an above average ruckman, who can rest up forward do you agree weaver?
Lade, above average type. :thumbsu:
Shocking conditions for a big man, but ideal conditions for Patto. The heavy rain took all the pace out of the ground (to borrow a racing reference) and meant that a wet-track plodder like Patto could thrive.
None of that pesky having to be quick. He just put the big body in front all day, worked hard, knocked people over and used his motor to get around the ground.
No suprise he thrived in those conditions. We know that he is a good lad with a big heart. Telstra Dome under the roof with the game going at 100 mph is another beast entirely.... Seemingly goes alright above the ground to Weaver :D ;)