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Kurtis G
9 May 2006, 02:16
Well I know there were some Chris Hyde baggers over summer, saying he wont be anything more than a fringe player in a few years time and what not, but one thing we all agreed on was that he is a work horse, and this season has added some real run and class to his game. I personally noticed that he was doing this last season before the injury put him out of form a bit, but he is starting every game on the ball and has been a vital cog in our wins so far this season.
Yet, no-one outside the club seems to have really heard of him, and oppositions dont seem to be paying him respect. He will be tagged by the opposition come next year if he keeps this form up.
He is kicking goals as well, which is something we really do lack from oour midfield. Could he possibly move into the top bracket of midfielders at our club, or in the league even?
Thoughts on Hydey?
Nothing could be truer the fact remains that he really did win us the carlton game for the sheer fact that Pagan underestimated him and he was able to exploit it. I think this will happen again as with a lot of coaches he can tag and be really damaging on the rebound (was good again against essendon in the first half). He's a type of player that if left to run can be particularly damaging (particularly this season) if he runs off his opponent so keeping him under raps is probably the best for the moment. We want a situation where the opposition has to decide whether they want to match up on hyde, tivendale or someone like newman or hyde. If they man up on one the others should punish them. It's good to have a coaching situation though this is relying on the fact that all continue to develop at their current rate.
Drunken Wookie
9 May 2006, 03:29
I don't think we've seen anywhere near the best of hydey yet, I honestly think he's still down abit on confidence. He'll be a top line midfielder once everything clicks for him.
More than happy for him to keep on being underated, he's become an important part of our midfield rotation now.
Have to disagree with your comment that he's kicking goals though, my major gripe against him has been his reluctance to kick at goals, he is almost always looking to dish off (the Carlton game was the exception). I'd like to see him get a bit more confidence up when he has the ball inside 50 and start looking at kicking more goals.
Captain_Brown_7
9 May 2006, 10:52
In 1 word
"YES"
:thumbsu: :thumbsu: :thumbsu:
More than happy for him to keep on being underated, he's become an important part of our midfield rotation now.
He`s not the sort of player who you would want to have in your top three in the guts but , as the 4th or 5th stringer he is magnificent .
As you said jezza , lovin seeing him get under sides guards each week
Harvey Leadpipe
9 May 2006, 11:32
Think he looks better when the grunts are doing a good job (Tuck, Cogs, Johnno etc).
Still looks a little awkward and lost when playing against better, quicker, more skillful sides for mine.
He`s not the sort of player who you would want to have in your top three in the guts but , as the 4th or 5th stringer he is magnificent .
As you said jezza , lovin seeing him get under sides guards each week
Some people suggested that Cogs and Tuck were quiet last week. Well when a side zeroes-in on Cogs, Tuck and Johnson that leaves Hyde, Tivendale and Polo on 4th-5th string midfielders. That lets them shine.
More contributers makes the job easier for everyone.
Ask Hyde to be the number 1 guy and we might be in bother. But as long as Tuck, Coughlan, Johnson and co take the best guys, Hyde can be handy.
CoggaRules
9 May 2006, 12:35
here is a tip, elite players pick out and hit the target that doenst stand out like a beacon, non elite players pick out the target that doesnt stand out like a beacon and hit opposition players.
Hydey should just understand his limitations and opt for the easy target that an errant delivery, will not have the ball coming back over his head and into the arms of his loose opponent that was trailing him.
Not bagging him, but his overall assesment of a given situation is sometimes clouded since he is looking for something better than the easier option and invariably ends up hitting an opponent on the chest.
There are others in the side that can produce the sublime stuff, he just needs to be the "stock bowler" type. ;)
Well I know there were some Chris Hyde baggers over summer, saying he wont be anything more than a fringe player in a few years time and what not, but one thing we all agreed on was that he is a work horse, and this season has added some real run and class to his game. I personally noticed that he was doing this last season before the injury put him out of form a bit, but he is starting every game on the ball and has been a vital cog in our wins so far this season.
Yet, no-one outside the club seems to have really heard of him, and oppositions dont seem to be paying him respect. He will be tagged by the opposition come next year if he keeps this form up.
He is kicking goals as well, which is something we really do lack from oour midfield. Could he possibly move into the top bracket of midfielders at our club, or in the league even?
Thoughts on Hydey?
Not sure about that Kurtis. The way we are going next year opposition coaches will sit down to decide who to tag and list will look like this:
Deledio
Brown
Coughlan
Tuck
Tivendale
Pettifer
Tambling
Polo
JON
Hyde
Too many to tag.
Braun from West Coast is a good example he gets a load of possessions because Judd, Cousins and Kerr are already tagged. So Hyde might be left in the same position and be able to be of value to the side
wrennyboy
9 May 2006, 12:57
Im starting to really like the kid.. He is becoming alot more consistant this year!! And of course kicking goals which is very good. Definatly havent seen teh best of him and thats a good sign... One to watch
here is a tip, elite players pick out and hit the target that doenst stand out like a beacon, non elite players pick out the target that doesnt stand out like a beacon and hit opposition players.
Hydey should just understand his limitations and opt for the easy target that an errant delivery, will not have the ball coming back over his head and into the arms of his loose opponent that was trailing him.
Not bagging him, but his overall assesment of a given situation is sometimes clouded since he is looking for something better than the easier option and invariably ends up hitting an opponent on the chest.
There are others in the side that can produce the sublime stuff, he just needs to be the "stock bowler" type. ;)
Disagree 110%.
One great failing at Richmond over the past 20 years is that players have been encouraged / allowed to play within their limitations.
Kellaway (x2) and Gaspar were rubbish at ground level so were encouraged to mark instead of spoil. Gaspar couldn't kick so he had to handball to Cameron. Other players couldn't man-up so they got players to do their defending for them.
The whole Walls era was about making excuses for players short-comings and converting them into a gameplan.
Hyde came into the team as a lousy kick. His first instinct was to play within himself. Not take shots at goals, not try difficult passes, not kick long. Just pass the responsability to others. Always go short and safe. The coaches have clearly told him that that isn't good enough. He has to make himself into a proper midfielder, kick long, kick goals, hit passes. If he gets it wrong they will forgive him, but he can't not try.
Same thing is clearly happening with Foley. First games every touch was a little handball or 20m kick to someone else. He didn't want to be the guy to take responability to make the 40m pass. In recent games he has been trying to do the right thing.
Developing young players (all players) is not simply about giving them gametime, experience and getting them physically ready. It is also about making them develop the tools they need. Even if there are some hiccups early this is the perfect time to do the hard yards.
If we don't get Hyde kicking the ball, Tambling manning-up, Raines prepared to run etc now then we end up with a bunch of 24 year old one dimensional players like Naish, Tape, Daffy, Prescott, Kellaway and co in 5 years and we win nothing.
CoggaRules
9 May 2006, 13:10
One great failing at Richmond over the past 20 years is that players have been encouraged / allowed to play within their limitations.
Hyde came into the team as a lousy kick. His first instinct was to play within himself. Not take shots at goals, not try difficult passes, not kick long. Just pass the responsability to others. Always go short and safe. The coaches have clearly told him that that isn't good enough. He has to make himself into a proper midfielder, kick long, kick goals, hit passes. If he gets it wrong they will forgive him, but he can't not try.
Same thing is clearly happening with Foley. First games every touch was a little handball or 20m kick to someone else. He didn't want to be the guy to take responability to make the 40m pass. In recent games he has been trying to do the right thing.
Developing young players (all players) is not simply about giving them gametime, experience and getting them physically ready. It is also about making them develop the tools they need. Even if there are some hiccups early this is the perfect time to do the hard yards.
If we don't get Hyde kicking the ball, Tambling manning-up, Raines prepared to run etc now then we end up with a bunch of 24 year old one dimensional players like Naish, Tape, Daffy, Prescott, Kellaway and co in 5 years and we win nothing.
with all due respect Weave, but the other great failing Richmond have had forever is to dream that a player will one day do what he looks like cant do.
Hyde isnt a lousy kick, his kicks are direct, flat and to the a desired point. Doesnt usually miss what he was aiming for.
How long has he been in the system? He has a problem is assesing a given situation and delivering the killer blow.
Yeah, maybe with time this will be turned around, but having said that, it also conjures up a great Richmond failing of previous years, doesnt it?
I am not talking about a given situation when we have a man 10ms in the clear, that is circle work, its when the majority of times our players have 1/2 meter on their man and the delivery has to be put on the plate.
At this stage that is his great nemesis. ;)
Disagree 110%.
One great failing at Richmond over the past 20 years is that players have been encouraged / allowed to play within their limitations.
Kellaway (x2) and Gaspar were rubbish at ground level so were encouraged to mark instead of spoil. Gaspar couldn't kick so he had to handball to Cameron. Other players couldn't man-up so they got players to do their defending for them.
The whole Walls era was about making excuses for players short-comings and converting them into a gameplan.
Hyde came into the team as a lousy kick. His first instinct was to play within himself. Not take shots at goals, not try difficult passes, not kick long. Just pass the responsability to others. Always go short and safe. The coaches have clearly told him that that isn't good enough. He has to make himself into a proper midfielder, kick long, kick goals, hit passes. If he gets it wrong they will forgive him, but he can't not try.
Same thing is clearly happening with Foley. First games every touch was a little handball or 20m kick to someone else. He didn't want to be the guy to take responability to make the 40m pass. In recent games he has been trying to do the right thing.
Developing young players (all players) is not simply about giving them gametime, experience and getting them physically ready. It is also about making them develop the tools they need. Even if there are some hiccups early this is the perfect time to do the hard yards.
If we don't get Hyde kicking the ball, Tambling manning-up, Raines prepared to run etc now then we end up with a bunch of 24 year old one dimensional players like Naish, Tape, Daffy, Prescott, Kellaway and co in 5 years and we win nothing.Agree totally .
...and whilst we are this transitional phase , there will be a lot of clangers and missed targets . But look two or three years down the track ;)
I for one would rather die trying , than play boring , predictable , inhibited football because our players are predictable and one dimensional .
Will say one little thing about Raines though ... i reckon the bombers worked him out , perfectly illustrated by Jobe Watsons tackle on him . Watson knew exactly what Raines was going to before Andrew even had the pill . I reckon AR came back to earth a little on Saturday night and got caught out probably 4 times that i can remember ...Why? ... he was predictable .
Don`t get me wrong i absolutely love the way Raines goes about his footy but there was a few times on Saturday night that he should have taken another option instead of his trademark barn-storming straight ahead style and dished it off to players in better positon than he was either backwards or sidewards but at the minute he has the blinkers on because so far it has worked for him .
It`s all part of his apprentiship and i`m sure TW will work on this with him . He has to make sure that his style does not become predictable .
Disagree 110%.
One great failing at Richmond over the past 20 years is that players have been encouraged / allowed to play within their limitations.
Kellaway (x2) and Gaspar were rubbish at ground level so were encouraged to mark instead of spoil. Gaspar couldn't kick so he had to handball to Cameron. Other players couldn't man-up so they got players to do their defending for them.
The whole Walls era was about making excuses for players short-comings and converting them into a gameplan.
Hyde came into the team as a lousy kick. His first instinct was to play within himself. Not take shots at goals, not try difficult passes, not kick long. Just pass the responsability to others. Always go short and safe. The coaches have clearly told him that that isn't good enough. He has to make himself into a proper midfielder, kick long, kick goals, hit passes. If he gets it wrong they will forgive him, but he can't not try.
Same thing is clearly happening with Foley. First games every touch was a little handball or 20m kick to someone else. He didn't want to be the guy to take responability to make the 40m pass. In recent games he has been trying to do the right thing.
Developing young players (all players) is not simply about giving them gametime, experience and getting them physically ready. It is also about making them develop the tools they need. Even if there are some hiccups early this is the perfect time to do the hard yards.
If we don't get Hyde kicking the ball, Tambling manning-up, Raines prepared to run etc now then we end up with a bunch of 24 year old one dimensional players like Naish, Tape, Daffy, Prescott, Kellaway and co in 5 years and we win nothing.
Well said.
The developement of the list doesn't stop on draft day. We must give the players a clear direction so they continue to improve, wether that is in there own personal developement or in the teams gameplan.
Don`t get me wrong i absolutely love the way Raines goes about his footy but there was a few times on Saturday night that he should have taken another option instead of his trademark barn-storming straight ahead style and dished it off to players in better positon than he was either backwards or sidewards but at the minute he has the blinkers on because so far it has worked for him .
Yep spot on.
Its great watching him take on others but, that match will make him realize only do it at certain times instead of trying to do to much. Promising signs tho.
The future does look quite bright.
Bojangles17
9 May 2006, 14:34
Agree totally .
...and whilst we are this transitional phase , there will be a lot of clangers and missed targets . But look two or three years down the track ;)
I for one would rather die trying , than play boring , predictable , inhibited football because our players are predictable and one dimensional .
Will say one little thing about Raines though ... i reckon the bombers worked him out , perfectly illustrated by Jobe Watsons tackle on him . Watson knew exactly what Raines was going to before Andrew even had the pill . I reckon AR came back to earth a little on Saturday night and got caught out probably 4 times that i can remember ...Why? ... he was predictable .
Don`t get me wrong i absolutely love the way Raines goes about his footy but there was a few times on Saturday night that he should have taken another option instead of his trademark barn-storming straight ahead style and dished it off to players in better positon than he was either backwards or sidewards but at the minute he has the blinkers on because so far it has worked for him .
It`s all part of his apprentiship and i`m sure TW will work on this with him . He has to make sure that his style does not become predictable .
not too worried bout AR, he's taken them on which is part of the mandate in getting a game with TW...sure they'll be times when he should have zigges when he zagged...still a cub with plenty of upside:thumbsu:
Bojangles17
9 May 2006, 14:37
Well I know there were some Chris Hyde baggers over summer, saying he wont be anything more than a fringe player in a few years time and what not, but one thing we all agreed on was that he is a work horse, and this season has added some real run and class to his game. I personally noticed that he was doing this last season before the injury put him out of form a bit, but he is starting every game on the ball and has been a vital cog in our wins so far this season.
?
Premiership sides are full of Hydeys over the years...never there most elite players...the second tier...reliable good players that wont allow their opponent to have an impact whilst playing their role to perfection week in week out...In reality we need another 3 or 4 of his type if we are to take it up to the top sides...:)
cairo tiger
9 May 2006, 17:11
this discussions centres around what gameplan we are going to play and what gameplan the opposition is going to play...if we want to go one on one, and there are times we must we must be hard at the ball and win the contested ball, the quetion is then what do we do with it when we get?
That is our falling down...we need to hit targets, our present crop need education in that and we need players who can do both, win the ball and hit targets.....Hyde is doing both....polo a revealation....
with all due respect Weave, but the other great failing Richmond have had forever is to dream that a player will one day do what he looks like cant do.
Hyde isnt a lousy kick, his kicks are direct, flat and to the a desired point. Doesnt usually miss what he was aiming for.
How long has he been in the system? He has a problem is assesing a given situation and delivering the killer blow.
Yeah, maybe with time this will be turned around, but having said that, it also conjures up a great Richmond failing of previous years, doesnt it?
I am not talking about a given situation when we have a man 10ms in the clear, that is circle work, its when the majority of times our players have 1/2 meter on their man and the delivery has to be put on the plate.
At this stage that is his great nemesis. ;)
every one of the richmond boys has strong points and weak points, what are you trying to say that if don't get it right then don't try at all, if that is what you are trying to say then what about richo, how long has he been playing for? and in some games he can't kick a goal from 20m infront.
do we tell him to pass the ball or make sure it isn't him that kicks the goals.
anyway, i firmly beleive that if what you are saying is true (i havn't seen it ) then i think HYDE would be a better footballer to try and fail rather than give up in an area that needs improvement.
CoggaRules
9 May 2006, 17:27
every one of the richmond boys has strong points and weak points, what are you trying to say that if don't get it right then don't try at all, if that is what you are trying to say then what about richo, how long has he been playing for? and in some games he can't kick a goal from 20m infront.
do we tell him to pass the ball or make sure it isn't him that kicks the goals.
anyway, i firmly beleive that if what you are saying is true (i havn't seen it ) then i think HYDE would be a better footballer to try and fail rather than give up in an area that needs improvement.
then watch closely. Try the first quarter against the bummers on for size, you might ne surprised as to what you see when you actually watch. ;)
then watch closely. Try the first quarter against the bummers on for size, you might ne surprised as to what you see when you actually watch. ;)
that still doesn't change what i am saying, ffs, all the good footballers become good from taking the risks, knowing the bad points and working on them, i'm not going to say you can't do it so don't do it, it's work on it make it better not thats your limit so stop there.
your only as good as you want to be, there is always room for improvement.
sure, ok HYDE could do better, so lets let him do better
CoggaRules
9 May 2006, 17:58
that still doesn't change what i am saying, ffs, all the good footballers become good from taking the risks, knowing the bad points and working on them, i'm not going to say you can't do it so don't do it, it's work on it make it better not thats your limit so stop there.
your only as good as you want to be, there is always room for improvement.
sure, ok HYDE could do better, so lets let him do better
ok, let him do better then. I hope the bad points become good points for him.
By the way, you know who the real good one sided players are? Think about those real good ones, and think about how good they are and what position they play. We have 2 that are not real good, but they are ok in the one side, right now. Then think about all the real good one sided players, and how long it took them to be real good, they were stars from half way through their first seasons.
You might understand where I am coming from. If you can only kick with the one side, then i think pretty much 99.9% of opponents would know, its the classy ones that stand out and excute with sublime skills that are not taught.
put it this way, if i was a pro footballer and all i had to do day in day out was to go to training and on the weekend play a game, that paid me a couple of hundred gs, even 1 hundered g, i know what i would be doing in my spare time, if i didnt have a right foot and wanted to improve my game. I would be kicking a thousand footies a week with my right. I kind of think i would be pretty good at it after 5 years dont you think?;)
Think he looks better when the grunts are doing a good job (Tuck, Cogs, Johnno etc).
Still looks a little awkward and lost when playing against better, quicker, more skillful sides for mine.I agree with that.
He's ok against the poorer sides that have less midfield options. I think he can develop maybe into more than just a fringe player, more through determination than talent. But elite? Can't see it.
ok, let him do better then. I hope the bad points become good points for him.
By the way, you know who the real good one sided players are? Think about those real good ones, and think about how good they are and what position they play. We have 2 that are not real good, but they are ok in the one side, right now. Then think about all the real good one sided players, and how long it took them to be real good, they were stars from half way through their first seasons.
You might understand where I am coming from. If you can only kick with the one side, then i think pretty much 99.9% of opponents would know, its the classy ones that stand out and excute with sublime skills that are not taught.
put it this way, if i was a pro footballer and all i had to do day in day out was to go to training and on the weekend play a game, that paid me a couple of hundred gs, even 1 hundered g, i know what i would be doing in my spare time, if i didnt have a right foot and wanted to improve my game. I would be kicking a thousand footies a week with my right. I kind of think i would be pretty good at it after 5 years dont you think?;)
well, your not a pro footballer so you'll never know. and if your going to ask how i know, it's what you are saying that gives it away.
hyde is a deadset gun, and tenfold better than cogs! better foot and hand skills, and much quicker!
and just as good in tight
hyde is a deadset gun, and tenfold better than cogs! better foot and hand skills, and much quicker!
and just as good in tight
That's harsh. And he's not. If Hyde got the attention Cogs got, he'd struggle. Because Cogs, Johnson and Tuck get so much attention, it leaves Hyde a better match up and therefore more room to run.
Love your enthusiasm for Hyde but don't hang it on the blokes that get pounded in and under week in, week out so him and the other runners can have the space they enjoy.
Ghost of 1965
9 May 2006, 22:13
hyde is a deadset gun, and tenfold better than cogs! better foot and hand skills, and much quicker!
and just as good in tight
Is Hyde a female in disguise?
'65
Is Hyde a female in disguise?
'65
I'd usually expect that comment from Harvey '65! Good on you for beating him to it... :D
Ghost of 1965
9 May 2006, 22:31
I'd usually expect that comment from Harvey '65! Good on you for beating him to it... :D
The boss is out for the night and I have been bonding with the boys (19 and 17) over pizza and crownies.
Excuse me please.
'65
Ghost of 1965
9 May 2006, 22:32
The boss is out for the night and I have been bonding with the boys (19 and 17) over pizza and crownies.
Excuse me please.
'65
PS ...and not a vegetable in sight.
;)
tomthetiger
9 May 2006, 22:33
So much pressure on Polo to keep performing. We can hope, but remember he EXCEDED expectations, that means his performance was above his average as seen in reserves games. Dont get me wrong, I believe he has the potential to keep doing it, but if he doesnt, don't start calling him a one hit wonder. He still has the right to be seen as a kid still learning the ropes, as much as Pattison or Tambling.
Ghost of 1965
9 May 2006, 22:35
So much pressure on Polo to keep performing. We can hope, but remember he EXCEDED expectations, that means his performance was above his average as seen in reserves games. Dont get me wrong, I believe he has the potential to keep doing it, but if he doesnt, don't start calling him a one hit wonder. He still has the right to be seen as a kid still learning the ropes, as much as Pattison or Tambling.
Killjoy.
Polo is an absolute GUN and CHAMPION...
'65
PS ...for at least a week
So much pressure on Polo to keep performing. We can hope, but remember he EXCEDED expectations, that means his performance was above his average as seen in reserves games. Dont get me wrong, I believe he has the potential to keep doing it, but if he doesnt, don't start calling him a one hit wonder. He still has the right to be seen as a kid still learning the ropes, as much as Pattison or Tambling.Good , level-headed approach :thumbsu:
Originally Posted by Ghost of 1965
The boss is out for the night and I have been bonding with the boys (19 and 17) over pizza and crownies.
The way it ought to be '65!!! :thumbsu:
Harvey Leadpipe
10 May 2006, 10:36
I'd usually expect that comment from Harvey '65! Good on you for beating him to it... :D
I only just got to work duck. Gimme a go ;) .
Harvey Leadpipe
10 May 2006, 10:49
PS ...and not a vegetable in sight.
;)
And without any chicks there, I'd be worried if you did bring out the carrots, cucumbers, zuccinis and bananas 65'er.
Hmmm...an elite? First I think you need to define what you mean by elite. To me 'elite' conjours images of Hird, Buckley, Voss, Harvey, McLeod. So to answer your question as I read it then the answer is simply 'no'. However to look at objectively and I'll admit I'm a little biased given that I'm from Murray Bushranger territory orignally, I think Hyde has the makings of a good player that contributes each week to the team cause and let's not underestimate the value of a player of that callibre. The thing I like about Hyde is that he is still improving. He's been in the system for a while now, but seems to have taken his game to a new level and I think he will continue to improve. I'd love to see him do more of what he has been doing for the past few weeks and that's use his pace and carry the ball. he reall caught a few of the Bummers players out on Sat night. He's decision making needs work, but so far Hyde has shown that he's prepared to do the hard yards and keep improving. In anyone's language that is great for our team. Just not elite.
Drunken Wookie
10 May 2006, 16:28
Something that hasn't been mentioned is hydes courage and attack on the football, you can't teach that. You all make it sound like he dances around packs in a frilly pink skirt waiting for the ball. He's just as hard at it as any of the "grunts" in our team, this is the guy who ran full pelt, head down at a loose ball and smashed his head open.
There's more to hyde than I think most people realise, he just needs to put it all together.
Something that hasn't been mentioned is hydes courage and attack on the football, you can't teach that. You all make it sound like he dances around packs in a frilly pink skirt waiting for the ball. He's just as hard at it as any of the "grunts" in our team, this is the guy who ran full pelt, head down at a loose ball and smashed his head open.
There's more to hyde than I think most people realise, he just needs to put it all together.
Yep excellent point and I was about to post something similar.
Hyde is far from an 'outside player' who relies on others to go in and under and get the ball. He's just as hard as many others in our team, and his desire to win the footy at all costs is what makes him very valuable to us.
Bentleigh
27 May 2006, 19:39
Well I know there were some Chris Hyde baggers over summer, saying he wont be anything more than a fringe player in a few years time and what not, but one thing we all agreed on was that he is a work horse, and this season has added some real run and class to his game. I personally noticed that he was doing this last season before the injury put him out of form a bit, but he is starting every game on the ball and has been a vital cog in our wins so far this season.
Yet, no-one outside the club seems to have really heard of him, and oppositions dont seem to be paying him respect. He will be tagged by the opposition come next year if he keeps this form up.
He is kicking goals as well, which is something we really do lack from oour midfield. Could he possibly move into the top bracket of midfielders at our club, or in the league even?
Thoughts on Hydey?
Could Hyde become elite?
Yes.
tomthetiger
27 May 2006, 19:43
Yes. I see you saw my reference to this thread in another, Bentleigh ;)
Bojangles17
27 May 2006, 19:47
Something that hasn't been mentioned is hydes courage and attack on the football, you can't teach that. .
its been mentioned plenty wookie, i said once before that premiereship sides are full of fellas like Hydey beyond their top core...and that we could do with a few more....between him and chubba they have hearts like phar lap....:thumbsu:
He was awesome today and has been very good all year IMO.
Never gives up :thumbsu:
When you have Cogs, Tuck, Lids and Johnno in the side, you really start to run out of blokes you can put on a player like Hyde. Great to see he's making them pay for it.
I love that he's got his confidence up when inside 50. Even at the start of this year he was always looking to dish it off, yet now he's baulking twice and drilling them from 20m dead in front or slotting them in on the run from the boundary.
Kurtis G
29 May 2006, 01:55
Hyde for B+F honours? I dont see any reason why not at this rate. Love the guy!
heartbroken
29 May 2006, 10:07
The thing I am loving with Hyde is his confidence.
Traditionally, he has been a blanket type player with average skills only. The kind of player that I tend not to like. How things can change!!!
I am loving the way he is taking on the opposition instead of just picking up the ball and booting it as hard as he can. I am also liking the way he celebrates after his goals. His confidence is rising by the week and suddenly, his kicking is rising by the week.
Great stuff!
Darth_Tiger
29 May 2006, 21:46
it looked to me like he realised 'wait a minute, if i take them on in the back half and get around them i can kick it forward....if i do that in the forward line maybe i will, um, kick a goal?' am loving this player. i still think back to 04 when he played every game and i could not for the life of me understand how. i did not rate him at all. he has come of age and i appologize chris, for not believing in you. you have arrived.
he is back to the form he had b4 he cracked his skull,
Good on him.
Elite ? - Some fierce company.......prehaps, for a year or 2..
beaver's army
29 May 2006, 22:07
i have been loving the way hyde has been playing over the last 2-3 years since he became a regular. He has a great left foot and is able to hold the ball and then dish off at the right time(see cogs goal against geelong) although he may hold it for too long sometimes that doesnt stop him giving it another go and having it come off and we get a goal.
Hyde is now taking players on and kicking goals whilst still negating his opponent. his 3rd goal i think was great how he step around 2 players to kick the goal.
He is very handy if we continue to have others who get tagged while he can take one of their best and tag them. soon one some coach will realise that hyde is a damaging player and may have to put someone on hima and leave cogs or tucks free to do some damage
Bentleigh
8 Apr 2007, 17:04
Solid effort from the lad.
Calcium Man
8 Apr 2007, 17:24
Will never be elite. His game yesterday was good, but it happens to irregularly. And then his performances inbetween have to go up another level for him to be truely an asset to the club.
Hyde got delisted and then redrafted. Shows where he was and is at and how far he still has to go.
Liked his game yesterday. Just needs to produce it more than once or twice a season now. Geelong game last year was a prime example.
Madtiger2006
8 Apr 2007, 19:52
Hydey is one of my fave players. He takes the opposition on and does it well and he kicks some ripper goals too.
CoggaRules
8 Apr 2007, 20:03
Well I know there were some Chris Hyde baggers over summer, saying he wont be anything more than a fringe player in a few years time and what not, but one thing we all agreed on was that he is a work horse, and this season has added some real run and class to his game. I personally noticed that he was doing this last season before the injury put him out of form a bit, but he is starting every game on the ball and has been a vital cog in our wins so far this season.
Yet, no-one outside the club seems to have really heard of him, and oppositions dont seem to be paying him respect. He will be tagged by the opposition come next year if he keeps this form up.
He is kicking goals as well, which is something we really do lack from oour midfield. Could he possibly move into the top bracket of midfielders at our club, or in the league even?
Thoughts on Hydey?
Bwahhaahhaaaa....man, do yourself a favour, take a long hard look at yesterdays last quarter and see who had the ball when he f***ed it up and who had it after he ****ed it up and you might understand how ridiculosus you sound. Do you ever wonder why the opposition dont pay him respect? Here is a tip they watch the game that you obviouslydont wacth. FFS do you have any idea?
Hey plough its ok to tell the players to break the lines at all costs. but there is something called smarts that need to be also prevalent, when the time comes where players should know when its fit to break them instead of breaking defenders balls by turning the ****ing thing over. How long has this guy been learnng? well how long do you need to learn yourself Plough? Just ask the irishman who was "on him", how easy it was to ice the game and get the BOG. ;)
Madtiger2006
8 Apr 2007, 20:07
Bwahhaahhaaaa....man, do yourself a favour, take a long hard look at yesterdays last quarter and see who had the ball when he f***ed it up and who had it after he ****ed it up and you might understand how ridiculosus you sound. Do you ever wonder why the opposition dont pay him respect? Here is a tip they watch the game that you obviouslydont wacth. FFS do you have any idea? ;)
Well he's one of my fave players at Tigerland. Maybe you should stop consuming alcohol you blind fool and grow some brain cells.
CoggaRules
8 Apr 2007, 20:15
Well he's one of my fave players at Tigerland. Maybe you should stop consuming alcohol you blind fool and grow some brain cells.
Good for you dude. I bet you needed a substitute for the chaff huh?
Dont forget, 2009 - 2011. By then he will be a veteran, 10 year player who would have filled a spot for a while. I hope he wins a B&F for you too. You do know how those awards are handed out on the back of corn flakes packets, nowadays dont you?
Yeah, ok, he is class with a capital C, fills the opposition with headaches on how not to curb his line breaking runs, since they know that 8 out of 10 of them end up in a shot for goal for them. ;)
Madtiger2006
8 Apr 2007, 20:48
Good for you dude. I bet you needed a substitute for the chaff huh?
Dont forget, 2009 - 2011. By then he will be a veteran, 10 year player who would have filled a spot for a while. I hope he wins a B&F for you too. You do know how those awards are handed out on the back of corn flakes packets, nowadays dont you?
Yeah, ok, he is class with a capital C, fills the opposition with headaches on how not to curb his line breaking runs, since they know that 8 out of 10 of them end up in a shot for goal for them. ;)
hey mate, maybe you should go to the official rfc site. You will get to see what colour our jumper is and what our players look like for the first time :thumbsu:
CoggaRules
8 Apr 2007, 20:53
hey mate, maybe you should go to the official rfc site. You will get to see what colour our jumper is and what our players look like for the first time :thumbsu:
yeah no probs. You know what the colour is and you most definetely know who what our players look like. You're the best. Now piss off and let people that know about who we need to win and become a "force" talk, and stick to talking to those who "like" players for other reasons.
Dont worry Hyde will get a 10 year AFL career, good for him. Right place at the right time syndrome. Goes hand in hand with the tigers over the stretch.
But hey i know why he is so precious to you. He is on the verge of eliteness....;)
Madtiger2006
8 Apr 2007, 21:06
yeah no probs. You know what the colour is and you most definetely know who what our players look like. You're the best. Now piss off and let people that know about who we need to win and become a "force" talk, and stick to talking to those who "like" players for other reasons.
Dont worry Hyde will get a 10 year AFL career, good for him. Right place at the right time syndrome. Goes hand in hand with the tigers over the stretch.;)
You do realise Danny Frawley was replaced by Terry Wallace don't you?
CoggaRules
8 Apr 2007, 21:19
You do realise Danny Frawley was replaced by Terry Wallace don't you?
Psst, earth to dip stick. Now listen up and listen closely dude.
The numbers are 2009 to get involoved and 2011 for the maybe party.
So tell us wise one, if 2009 is the number to get involved, how do you bolster your side with the best young talent until that time comes?
Hint: you keep madtigers fav players in the side., go for a few wins against an arch enemy, keeps the flags waving and the puds being ****ed and you come out with some sugar coating and they buy it eveyt time. Lets face it, they bought the Spud for 5 years didnt they, so i am tipping they will be buy anything we sell them, dont you? ;)
Madtiger2006
8 Apr 2007, 22:05
Psst, earth to dip stick. Now listen up and listen closely dude.
The numbers are 2009 to get involoved and 2011 for the maybe party.
So tell us wise one, if 2009 is the number to get involved, how do you bolster your side with the best young talent until that time comes?
Hint: you keep madtigers fav players in the side., go for a few wins against an arch enemy, keeps the flags waving and the puds being ****ed and you come out with some sugar coating and they buy it eveyt time. Lets face it, they bought the Spud for 5 years didnt they, so i am tipping they will be buy anything we sell them, dont you? ;)
You're a moron. You are pretty much saying we need to rebuild 3/4 of our list. You really can't witness the potential of players by watching game highlights on tv. If we listened to you we wouldn't make the finals for the next decade. We have a good list to build on and it's our future. I go to the games and I like what I see. You are deaf dumb and blind and think you can judge our team lol
deliberate!!
8 Apr 2007, 22:38
Hyde will never be elite,whatever that means in football terms, but the little fella is proactive, and we've never been able to teach that down at Punt Road. He's a good little bit player, and good teams need guys like Hyde.
CoggaRules
8 Apr 2007, 22:38
You're a moron. You are pretty much saying we need to rebuild 3/4 of our list. You really can't witness the potential of players by watching game highlights on tv. If we listened to you we wouldn't make the finals for the next decade. We have a good list to build on and it's our future. I go to the games and I like what I see. You are deaf dumb and blind and think you can judge our team lol
LOL, been judging it for the last 20 years and yes we have a good list to build on. What you dont understand dip stick is that what you suggest as your "favs" and what others suggest are about to beocome "elite", makes us a laughing stock, when you look and see who are the elite and how long it took for the rest of the league to see that they were. Keep sleeping. Just watch how the opposition put the super dleuxe tag on Hyde. You will eventually understand who they want to end up with the ball, when we are running it out of defence. Makes the stats look good dont it? malaperda;)
Madtiger2006
8 Apr 2007, 22:44
LOL, been judging it for the last 20 years and yes we have a good list to build on. What you dont understand dip stick is that what you suggest as your "favs" and what others suggest are about to beocome "elite", makes us a laughing stock, when you look and see who are the elite and how long it took for the rest of the league to see that they were. Keep sleeping. Just watch how the opposition put the super dleuxe tag on Hyde. You will eventually understand who they want to end up with the ball, when we are running it out of defence. Makes the stats look good dont it? malaperda;)
It's players like Hyde who are taking us places. Wake up
CoggaRules
8 Apr 2007, 22:49
It's players like Hyde who are taking us places. Wake up
right now, if there isnt some kind of plan in place, by way of blooding players slowly for the future. The only place Hyde is going to be intrumental in taking us is top 3 draft pick. Which aint a bad thing, i will take it and another ingeneous marketing ploy pays off for Plough. How to make to make a player look good when he is just filling time. Lets put it this way, McGuane for me was below zero last year, and in the first 2 games I have seen more upside in his game, than i have seen from Hyde in the last 5 years. Thats taken 1 and a bit years, not a whole career.
BTW let me guess, Pets is another of your favs huh? You can pick the delusionals from a long way away. You see, he didnt get the lucky breaks this week, and you can see how "effective" was.;)
Rayzorwire
8 Apr 2007, 22:50
Gutsy effort to play under those circumstances yesterday and still contribute...I thought he played well considering.
He'll never be elite, but it's good to have a situation where your fringe onballers are capable of doing damage occasionally. Hyde is the sort whose endurance, willingness to take on the opposition and reasonable finishing skills, can get under the opposition's guard.
If the poor bugger can get a break on the injury front, he'll be a solid contributor more often.
Madtiger2006
8 Apr 2007, 22:54
right now, if there isnt some kind of plan in place, by way of blooding players slowly for the future. The only place Hyde is going to be intrumental in taking us is top 3 draft pick. Which aint a bad thing, i will take it and another ingeneous marketing ploy pays off for Plough. How to make to make a player look good when he is just filling time. Lets put it this way, McGuane for me was below zero last year, and in the first 2 games I have seen more upside in his game, than i have seen from Hyde in the last 5 years. Thats taken 1 and a bit years, not a whole career.;)
well gee, I rate hyde as one of our most important young players and no one suits our future game style more than him. He brings a bit of excitement to our team with his risk taking and goal kicking. You obviously don't go to many games do you?
CoggaRules
8 Apr 2007, 22:56
well gee, I rate hyde as one of our most important young players and no one suits our future game style more than him. He brings a bit of excitement to our team with his risk taking and goal kicking. You obviously don't go to many games do you?
dude you really dont get it do you? risk taking? I will take risks and **** things up and do it for 100 biuck a week. Big ****ing deal, Take risks that break games open is what i cant do, how about Hydey? ;)
Madtiger2006
8 Apr 2007, 23:03
dude you really dont get it do you? risk taking? I will take risks and **** things up and do it for 100 biuck a week. Big ****ing deal, Take risks that break games open is what i cant do, how about Hydey? ;)
that's the thing, he never really stuffs it up and he sets up the team pretty much everytime with his accurate kicking. Great pace and courage too. Wrong foots his opponents everytime he goes on a run and has kicked several excellent goals over the last 2 years. You are just another Bentleigh. No idea and No passion. You just come out with crap and tell us to rebuild year after year. Some sort of stupid joke really
Good solid player though has some flaws that haven't really been worked out by the opposition. He generally wrong foots guys because he doesn't have a right foot and as soon as people work this out he might be in some trouble. Hyde's the kind of guy you need around a club, someone versatile that can play up forward and take a spell on the ball/wing in a midfield rotation.
Madtiger2006
9 Apr 2007, 09:23
Good solid player though has some flaws that haven't really been worked out by the opposition. He generally wrong foots guys because he doesn't have a right foot and as soon as people work this out he might be in some trouble. Hyde's the kind of guy you need around a club, someone versatile that can play up forward and take a spell on the ball/wing in a midfield rotation.
He does have a right foot. When he wrong foots the opposition he is usually going to kick on his left side anyway. He wrong foots them because there is no options upfield. He's the perfect player for our attacking game plan
Hyde will never be elite,whatever that means in football terms, but the little fella is proactive, and we've never been able to teach that down at Punt Road. He's a good little bit player, and good teams need guys like Hyde.
Well said.
Was playing really well in the first half of '05 before the head clash.
Was playing really well in the first half of '06 before he injured his shoulder.
A fit Hyde is easily in our best 22
Love his run and carry and the fact that he backs himself in.
His spark(along with Lids) got us back in the game against Sydney.
Looks set for a good season.:cool:
santa claws
10 Apr 2007, 01:03
foot soldier. good ordinary sums him up.deserves his place on list in front of some because of an excellent work ethic.
while the hydes of this world are our elite or best 22 we will struggle.
Madtiger2006
10 Apr 2007, 15:07
foot soldier. good ordinary sums him up.deserves his place on list in front of some because of an excellent work ethic.
while the hydes of this world are our elite or best 22 we will struggle.
he'd make any team in the comp
True Thylacine
10 Apr 2007, 15:34
Someone help an old man out here. WTF does "elite" mean? I am kind of assuming it means "would star in any side regardless of how successful or otherwise they were"? If thats the case, there are very very few "elite" players in the whole bloody comp IMHO.
benny_furs
24 Apr 2007, 11:54
I think Hyde is turning into a star this year.
I'm watching the Dogs replay right now and his run and passing are simply awesome. If he can get 20 possies per game instead of 14, then he would go a long way to covering some of Nathan Brown's loss.
RichosGuns
24 Apr 2007, 12:49
I think Hyde is turning into a star this year.
I'm watching the Dogs replay right now and his run and passing are simply awesome. If he can get 20 possies per game instead of 14, then he would go a long way to covering some of Nathan Brown's loss.
I've been saying for a while now but I think Chris Hyde's bets position is HFF with only spells in the middle. Without having a great preseason he has still imporved alot on last year. Has kicked goals in every match I think and kicked 3 on the weekend. He backs himself, takes them on and is a very good running shot at goal. He also led the assist for us on the weekend with four!
Madtiger2006
24 Apr 2007, 14:06
I've been saying for a while now but I think Chris Hyde's bets position is HFF with only spells in the middle. Without having a great preseason he has still imporved alot on last year. Has kicked goals in every match I think and kicked 3 on the weekend. He backs himself, takes them on and is a very good running shot at goal. He also led the assist for us on the weekend with four!
yeah Hydey is a dangerous forward and would be handy for 5 minutes in the middle while our main midfielders are resting
Kurtis G
24 Apr 2007, 17:37
Hyde is good value.
santa claws
24 Apr 2007, 22:19
hes a foot soldier good average why do we constantly over rate our players sheesh elite indeed.
Madtiger2006
24 Apr 2007, 22:22
hes a foot soldier good average why do we constantly over rate our players sheesh elite indeed.
you don't see good average players taking the oppostion on everyweek and kicking classy goals and wrong footing the opposition. I rate him a very talented player.
Bengal Tiger
24 Apr 2007, 22:28
CHRIS HYDE = SUPERSTAR:thumbsu:
Madtiger2006
24 Apr 2007, 22:32
CHRIS HYDE = SUPERSTAR:thumbsu:
he puts the ICEing on the tiger cake :cool:
santa claws
24 Apr 2007, 22:37
you don't see good average players taking the oppostion on everyweek and kicking classy goals and wrong footing the opposition. I rate him a very talented player.
i see it every week sheesh krakouer pettifer ring any bells how about tivendale. all their careers they have been ordinary and invariably go missing when you need them to stand up the most.yet they all do some nice things that is usually enough to win the blind over.
Madtiger2006
24 Apr 2007, 22:43
i see it every week sheesh krakouer pettifer ring any bells how about tivendale. all their careers they have been ordinary and invariably go missing when you need them to stand up the most.yet they all do some nice things that is usually enough to win the blind over.
not as consistently and classy as hyde
benny_furs
25 Apr 2007, 00:03
Hyde has been consistent this year and kicks his goals at crucial stages of the game.
He kicked 2 in the last quarter against the Dogs trying to get us close enough to win.
True Thylacine
25 Apr 2007, 10:00
LMFAO@"elite"! What a ****, makes him sound like a model of a car. A Nissan Elite lol. As I have said many times please quantify the meaning opf "elite". If thats a struggle try explaining GXL or GHIA
Richo Rules
25 Apr 2007, 11:45
there is no way in the world hyde would make it in the starting 22 of any club
he is a good player and great at taking players on and being evasive and his skills are pretty good too but his problem is when the other team has the ball he simply cant run fast anymore trying to catch them
he needs to pull his finger out of his arse and do the hard yards as well as just receiving the ball and then he might develop into a top class footballer
Madtiger2006
25 Apr 2007, 12:00
there is no way in the world hyde would make it in the starting 22 of any club
he is a good player and great at taking players on and being evasive and his skills are pretty good too but his problem is when the other team has the ball he simply cant run fast anymore trying to catch them
he needs to pull his finger out of his arse and do the hard yards as well as just receiving the ball and then he might develop into a top class footballer
he would look even better in stronger teams. Of course he would make any other team
CoggaRules
26 Apr 2007, 10:22
there is no way in the world hyde would make it in the starting 22 of any club
he is a good player and great at taking players on and being evasive and his skills are pretty good too but his problem is when the other team has the ball he simply cant run fast anymore trying to catch them
he needs to pull his finger out of his arse and do the hard yards as well as just receiving the ball and then he might develop into a top class footballer
earth to Richo, he is touted as one of the hardest trainers and "triers". Gotta feeling the finger pulling is present and what you see now is 100% effort. Unfortunately his 100% effort has players he is chasing pulling away from him like he is standing still. He is filling a hole while TW develops a youngster that conforms to TW's formula. That formula has the words Fast and Skilful all over it. ;)
Madtiger2006
26 Apr 2007, 15:02
earth to Richo, he is touted as one of the hardest trainers and "triers". Gotta feeling the finger pulling is present and what you see now is 100% effort. Unfortunately his 100% effort has players he is chasing pulling away from him like he is standing still. He is filling a hole while TW develops a youngster that conforms to TW's formula. That formula has the words Fast and Skilful all over it. ;)
he's a future player and I saw a player pulling away from Deledio the other day too. I think you forgot about the fatigue factor, because Hyde is fairly quick :cool:
Crumden
27 Apr 2007, 00:26
Someone help an old man out here. WTF does "elite" mean? I am kind of assuming it means "would star in any side regardless of how successful or otherwise they were"? If thats the case, there are very very few "elite" players in the whole bloody comp IMHO.There's been a changing of the guard of the AFL elite over the last couple of years.
From: Hird, Voss and Harvey
To: Goodes, Judd and Hyde:eek: