View Full Version : Our late Draft pick ups . GOLD.
2001
pick 68 Chris Hyde
2003
Pick 53 Daniel Jackson
Pick 70 Brent Hartigan
Pick 73 Shane Tuck
Pick 76 Andrew Raines
Some bargains there.
I think that it can be a benefit sometimes in not being drafted at the top end . Kids like "Pettifer" think they have made it already by virtue of thier draft status and don`t realise that being drafted is just the start of it ...
Tonnes and tonnes of work yet to be done .
All those guys are work horses and have done the hard yards .
I think our restricted finances over the last 5 or so years has also cost us dearly in this regard . We have had to take on ready made hacks as they are cheaper than investing in a kid .
Good point
There are 18 players out there, and you need 10-15 of them to be Raines/Tucks/Hartigans and maybe 2-3 to be champions of the Judd/Reiwoldt/J Brown variety.
We probably already have 2 of the elite players we already need. N Brown and Deledio.
The challenge is to have the next 16 to be of the Raines/Tuck quality at the later end of the draft.
Good point
There are 18 players out there, and you need 10-15 of them to be Raines/Tucks/Hartigans and maybe 2-3 to be champions of the Judd/Reiwoldt/J Brown variety.
We probably already have 2 of the elite players we already need. N Brown and Deledio.
The challenge is to have the next 16 to be of the Raines/Tuck quality at the later end of the draft.
Our only real stuff up recently has been Roach at 21 in 2003 (I think.) He will probably be delisted.
Our only real stuff up recently has been Roach at 21 in 2003 (I think.) He will probably be delisted.
Hardly a stuff up.
Our only real stuff up recently has been Roach at 21 in 2003 (I think.) He will probably be delisted.
You'd rather see Michael Roach's son line up for Collingwood? I dont care about the Clokes, but a lot of ppl made a fuss why Jason wasnt playing for us. I'd be upset if Tommy got his chance with them. I'd rather we gave him the chance and he wasnt up to it.
Anyway, he's better than David Bourke
The Dice Man
9 May 2006, 17:07
Our only real stuff up recently has been Roach at 21 in 2003 (I think.) He will probably be delisted.
He was our father/son pick that year, and IIRC aren't father/son selestions usually 3rd rounders?:confused:
roostertalk
9 May 2006, 17:08
richo, bowden and raines are all long term stars. happy to cop the odd roachy and bourke. Does anyone know if rioli jnr at scotch is son of the legendary maurice. Would like dibs on him.
richo, bowden and raines are all long term stars. happy to cop the odd roachy and bourke. Does anyone know if rioli jnr at scotch is son of the legendary maurice. Would like dibs on him.
Is that Cyril Rioli? Don't think he's Maurice's son.
TonyFree
9 May 2006, 17:20
Since we are talking "late" picks; at this stage do you think that P.Bowden fits in to this?
Roach was pick 37, a father son selection.
The stuff-up was Gilmour at 21, never really adjusted and was cut last year which was a shame.
metallichris
9 May 2006, 21:47
Newman was 42 I believe in the 2000 draft. :thumbsu:
camsmith
9 May 2006, 22:07
Pick 76 Andrew Raines??
Bloody 'ell
meltiger
9 May 2006, 22:13
Pick 76 Andrew Raines??
Bloody 'ell
Very young Queenslander and seen as a project player.
Rainesy is the type of player that make these late draft picks worth the shot, as someone said earlier, it's a shame we spent years drafting the likes of Nicholls etc with our later picks.
At least our recycles are better now too - Paddy for instance.
richo, bowden and raines are all long term stars. happy to cop the odd roachy and bourke. Does anyone know if rioli jnr at scotch is son of the legendary maurice. Would like dibs on him.
Not Maurices son, but a nephew to both Maurice and Michael Long. Spoke to Maurice about him about 2 years ago. Posted a thread about him here http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124242&highlight=rioli .
roostertalk
9 May 2006, 23:32
cheers nut, apparently the nephew has come along leaps and bounds, meant to be an absolute gun.
We've got some bargains and stuffed up on a few, its always gonna be like that with every club
Richo83
10 May 2006, 13:34
You'd rather see Michael Roach's son line up for Collingwood? I dont care about the Clokes, but a lot of ppl made a fuss why Jason wasnt playing for us. I'd be upset if Tommy got his chance with them. I'd rather we gave him the chance and he wasnt up to it.
Anyway, he's better than David Bourke
Yeah true. Our draft picks lately have been pretty good.
itsintheblood
10 May 2006, 13:38
2001
pick 68 Chris Hyde
2003
Pick 53 Daniel Jackson
Pick 70 Brent Hartigan
Pick 73 Shane Tuck
Pick 76 Andrew Raines
Some bargains there.
Even polo at 20 appears to be a bargain. This kids shows all the signs at this stage.
On the negative side, fiora at 3, ottens at 2 are just clangers.
Is that Cyril Rioli? Don't think he's Maurice's son.
Nephew.
Nephew.Is there a father/nephew rule ?
Imagine we snaffle him and Tommy Roach comes good
Roach ... Rioli ..... Raines
Like friggin groundhog day .... we hope :p
As long as Cyril is not on the halfback line ... don`t want a repeat of that.
Cyril said ......MMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm
On the negative side, fiora at 3, ottens at 2 are just clangers.
The draft is like those door-buster sales they have after XMas. Those ones where there are a couple of $10 tellies and a $20 fridge to get punters in the doors.
The doors are thrown open and all the clubs spring towards those small handfull of match-winner types. Big atheltic ruckmen and key position types. Pacy, long kicking midfielders. Freakish flankers like Meyer and JON. Tall, quick, long-kicking, ball-winning freaks like Deledio.
That doesn't mean that they are always 'worth' a top-10 pick. It means those types of potential match winners are rare and have to be snapped up quickly.
In contrast the Hyde, Newman, Jackson, Roach types are more like a $10 pair of pants. Sure it is a bargain, and yes you need them, but you are hardly going to rush in, past the cheap tellies, to snaffle one. You shop for those at leisure.
Basically use the early rounds on the big gambles to get potential game-breaking match winners. Get those 4-5 elite guys you need. Use the later rounds to get the solid squad fillers.
Bizarely a club should do at least as well in the later rounds. Stuffing up in the early rounds is not at all suprising.
I don't think Ottens was a clanger at all, definitely not in the mould Fiora was, that's for sure.
Richo83
12 May 2006, 18:18
I don't think Ottens was a clanger at all, definitely not in the mould Fiora was, that's for sure.
Ottens and Fiona got us Simmonds and picks 12 and 16, not all bad.
They certinally aren't cutting it up with their new teams either.
Considering Ottens' form in 2001 and what he has dished up since, then I think getting Patto and Meyer was a good thing.
Considering Ottens' form in 2001 and what he has dished up since, then I think getting Patto and Meyer was a good thing.King first ruck for the cats first two games ... two wins .
King gets injured puts Otto first ruck for the next 4 ... net result ? ...LMAO
LMAO @ the commentators during the Swans/Geelong match saying at 3 quarter time how Ottens was winning the tap outs but they were going nowhere and the Swans were just roving to him ....Sound familiar ? :p
Bet he was high up in the "hard ball gets" that night rumaging around on the ground trying to pick up his own table scraps .;) :thumbsu:
tigertRANCE
13 May 2006, 00:35
Newman was 42 I believe in the 2000 draft. :thumbsu:
Pick 55, even better. :thumbsu:
GO TIGES!!!
Ottens and Fiona got us Simmonds and picks 12 and 16, not all bad.
Anytime you get a 100+ game player or All-Australian it is a reasonable pick. If McGuane played 1/10th as well as Ottens we'd be declaring him the alltime bargain draft pick.
Ottens and Fiora are punished by expectation as much as anything. We all wanted them to be stars and they are not. They are just handy players.
Forget the expecations and judge them on merit and they are OK picks.
Also I think that as picks they were OK. You can try and guess what type of person someone is but that is rarely going to work. The 'failure' of those two guys is down to those two guys. Not the coaches, not the recruiting department. It is obvious what the recruiters saw in them, makes sense that we recruited them, but no one can accurately guess that both guys will be complacent passengers with no drive to capitalise on their ability.
King first ruck for the cats first two games ... two wins .
King gets injured puts Otto first ruck for the next 4 ... net result ? ...LMAO
LMAO @ the commentators during the Swans/Geelong match saying at 3 quarter time how Ottens was winning the tap outs but they were going nowhere and the Swans were just roving to him ....Sound familiar ? :p
Bet he was high up in the "hard ball gets" that night rumaging around on the ground trying to pick up his own table scraps .;) :thumbsu:Credit where credit is due ... was magnificent against the Aints last night , albeit V`s Blake/Akland
Has Moorabin made a blue in thier bigman stocks or what ? LMAO @ them letting Knobel go for nix ..... Major stuff up Thomas ;)