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Will be a very interesting match. Both teams trying to proove something, that "Sydney are getting their premiership form back" and we are "pushing for a top 8 spot".
Hopefully we could win this game and comfortably, but I doubt it.
Plus its at the Dome... :mad:
Tiges by 24pts.
Madtiger2006
9 May 2006, 14:30
I think we can win. I give us the edge. But we are a 5 goal better side at the G than we are at the dome
roostertalk
9 May 2006, 14:33
pencil it in. 4 on the trot....go tiges!
Punt_Road_Roar
9 May 2006, 14:43
I think we can win this one :eek: seriously !!!
I believe our running game has the ability to run the swans all over the park, we need to put our kicking boots on this week though, we still turn it over quite a bit and I think a team like Sydney can make us pay.
The past few weeks poor quality sides like Brisbane, Carlton & Essendon havent hurt us when we coughed it up.
CoggaRules
9 May 2006, 14:54
I think we can win this one :eek: seriously !!!
I believe our running game has the ability to run the swans all over the park, we need to put our kicking boots on this week though, we still turn it over quite a bit and I think a team like Sydney can make us pay.
The past few weeks poor quality sides like Brisbane, Carlton & Essendon havent hurt us when we coughed it up.
and on the other side of the ledger, we really havent hurt them when they coughed it up.
Seriously, we can only hope the Swans are not on the job on the day, along with another hope that we will actually improve our ball handling.
If we produce the same as we did against the Lions, in the 3rd quarter or the bombers for the first half of the last quarter, maybe we scrape over the line, if we produce the same as we did with the blues, we lose by 10 goals. Serioulsy and moreso realistically. ;)
My crystal ball hasn't failed me yet.
Tiges by 16 points.
roostertalk
9 May 2006, 16:14
given ur footballing philosophies cogga, i would have thought you didnt rate the swans. Dont you think we are playing a prettier brand at present. We've showed SOME good direct and running signs of late, more so then the swans i reckon. Genuine chance if we exploit them with run and a style of play that would put a creep in you and sammy newmans meat;)
Swans are pathetic.
The fact they won the flag last year under a sneak like Paul Roos is an indictment on the game & where it has gone.
Leo Barry and his mates are so overated it's a joke.
Provided we play our own game and are not sucked into that "SYDNEY" style of play ,we should come away with the points.
We'll want 4+ from Richo.
On form, we will win.
Is O'Laughlin playing. Doesnt matter. Rainesy will kill anyone he plays on.
Pity not at the G or we'd have a 4 goal headstart, but we need to learn to win at the Dome.
Richo always lifts against the Swans.
If we kick more accurately than we have the past couple of weeks, we will pull it off. Our kicking for goal has made the games tight, not our opponents inability to punish us.
When do we play the Magpie scum? Bring them on!
CoggaRules
9 May 2006, 17:01
given ur footballing philosophies cogga, i would have thought you didnt rate the swans. Dont you think we are playing a prettier brand at present. We've showed SOME good direct and running signs of late, more so then the swans i reckon. Genuine chance if we exploit them with run and a style of play that would put a creep in you and sammy newmans meat;)
like is suggested man, we do what we did against the blues and the swans are on the job, we lose by 10+ big ones. If we produce more of the thrid quarter of the lions gamewhen they couldnt get a handle on the ball, because we didnt let them, we are a chance. It would mirror last year at the G when we had them by the short and curlies and looking at a % boost but, well, i say tired, others say the swans upped the juice. I rate this team a fitter unit than last year, had 2 pres-seasons with the TW conditioning regime, so Spud factor of no conditioning waning. But again there are more youngsters now, so wont be disheartened if they drop it, sh-ite happens with kids, just want to look at them when they front up against a top half of the ladder side. Its another exam, they pass it, all good, they dont, all good.
Dont harbour dreams of papers spewing TW's baby tigers take all before them, kind of opt for reality its safer, and if i am wrong, then i am wrong, but wrong comes with a pretty good bonus. ;)
rfctigerarmy
9 May 2006, 17:23
Tough game but only because its at the blasted Dome.
We have to win because Adelaide, Geelong, Fremantle are after that.
Being at the Dome counts against us. Typically a big milestone against us, Paul Williams' 300th.
Our defence has been good the last few weeks but this week we're up against a forward line with a few more quality options. Hall, Micky O and O'Keefe all dangerous.
Goodes's height and mobility the danger through the midfield and Kennelly's run of half-back also needs to be stopped as well. I would play Polo across half-forward with the task of trying to negate some of Kennelly's dash.
Not super confident.
Truetiger
9 May 2006, 17:40
Well we won when SOS had a milestone of 300 against us. So This is just another game. I am not confident either however I feel we are some what of a chance to win. If we can hold hall to a few goals it would be nice. If we win it will be another nail biter of a game.
tigers by 6
thetigerman
9 May 2006, 17:45
Tough game but only because its at the blasted Dome.
We have to win because Adelaide, Geelong, Fremantle are after that.
Agree, all hard games.
But why do we have to play Geelong down there ( 4 wins in 36 years ) when the Dockland Stadium is empty. Geelong - crowd 24000
Dockland - crowd 42000+
Come on AFL you want crowds - MOVE this game !!!!!
rfctigerarmy
9 May 2006, 17:47
Lets email the AFL.. ;)
tomthetiger
9 May 2006, 17:52
Our kicking at goal will have to be better. They key to beating the swans is having possesion of the footy at all costs, we can't afford to hand it over to them by kicking meaningless behinds.
Madtiger2006
9 May 2006, 22:51
we only lost to geelong by 1 point at skilled stadium last year and the hawks pumped them up there too. We should go into that game feeling confident especially if we beat the swans. Remember we pumped the swans in the first 3 quarters of last years game, we were up by about 40 points then we let them back in to the game in the last quarter. So we should feel confident about our chances in both games.
tomthetiger
9 May 2006, 23:49
We usually play well against the swans, but you can't really look back on the past. Im quietly confident, but only as confident as you can be with this team..
We match up well against them and have beaten the last few times right?
I like our chances but we have to improve on our skill and goal kicking this week because the Swans will hurt us on the rebound unlike the previous 3 weeks
gaelictiogar
10 May 2006, 07:33
Agree, all hard games.
But why do we have to play Geelong down there ( 4 wins in 36 years ) when the Dockland Stadium is empty. Geelong - crowd 24000
Dockland - crowd 42000+
Come on AFL you want crowds - MOVE this game !!!!!
Too right. Geelong have over 30,000 members don't they? how can they all see the games there? thousands of members locked out. it;s crazy. we have over 35,000 if you include non ticketed.
2 clubs with almost 70,000 members between them playing in a little boutique style stadium when 2 big stadiums are availabel is a joke and no one benefits. I have a great deal of respect for the cats and i like they way they run their club but really and truly AFL ties between 2 Vict. teams has grown out of the little stadiums.
On the Swans i think we CAN win but we have to fire the ball between the posts. If we shoot straight we win cos we will outrun them and outlast them but we have to shoot straight. We would have murdered the Blues if we had done. That said the swans are the premiers and they did not win it by rolling over. This is a huge ask and if we win as we can we really are on a charge.
turtle27
10 May 2006, 09:58
The AFL have a contract to play games at Skillled and this year they get 8. Plus, the Cats make more from a 24,000 crowd at Skilled, than 35000 at the Dome. I'm sure we would do it if we could, not saying it doesn't suck though.
On the Swans, would be very dissapointed if we didn't put up a good showing in this game, and firmly believe we can sneak home with the points. The dream would be another Port Adelaide type performance, Reining Premiers Round 6 last year v Reining Premiers Round 7 this year, both at the Dome.
Harvey Leadpipe
10 May 2006, 10:20
We have only just snuck by probably the 3 worst teams in the league the last 3 weeks, Swans coming off a win, our skills are still deplorable, Gaspar maybe back in, and we're far from hot at the dome.
Swans by 6-8 goals.
(Happy to have egg on my face though.)
Tough ask. IMHO someone should drop a bomb on Telstra Dome. We are a four-goal worse side there. We need to move the ball quickly and that will mean taking risks hitting targets. If it comes off, we could win by five goals. If it doesn't come off and we fall behind early, well, the Dome is sort of venue where blowouts can really happen. I'd rather see us lose by eight goals taking risks and developing our kids than scrapping a flooded two-goal loss. of course, I'll take a win if it's on offer any old how.
I thought we had a 50/50 shot at this game. And then I found out it was Paul Williams 300th game. Dammit. We seem to be unlucky with all the "milestone" games. We still have a shot though..
They will play their typical geischy game of trying to block everything up and chip around.
When we get the ball we MUST stick to our game plan and carry the ball and go looong over the top of the Frawleyers. If we can score more than 15 goals the game is ours in the bag.
Sydney are wrecking football and it's time sides stop pandering to their style of play.
Stick it up em ....
Sydney are wrecking football and it's time sides stop pandering to their style of play.
Stick it up em ....
Will be a great game but I gather you don't watch much AFL in general as you will see just about every club floods back and fills up space.
If you don't like the Swans chipping the ball around...one solution to all coaches...tell your players to MAN UP!! Last time I looked AFL was still 18 an side.
Rancid_Beasties
11 May 2006, 00:52
I think Barry Hall is not the issue here. Its the small forwards. They have enough small forwards (davis, o'loughlin, o'keefe, schnieder, buchanon, fosdike) that have to be manned up for us to justify bringing in a tagger or two. What about chaffey? Is he fit?
I really think we already have them beat for talls without bringing in Gaspar and Knobel, we just have to beat them, in speed and efficiency, to prevent them blocking the match up.
Stafford678
11 May 2006, 01:31
We don't need Chaffey
Heres a possible list of match ups for the game basing it on the swans not making any changes. Ben Matthews and Nick Davis possible people to play for them.
B: Raines Gaspar Kellaway
Fosdike Hall O'Loughlin
HB: J.Bowden Hall Newman
O'Keefe Goodes Buchanan
C: Tivendale Coughlan Deledio
Crouch J.Bolton Malceski
HF: P.Bowden Richardson Polo
L.Barry C.Bolton Kennelly
F: Hughes Stafford Pettifer
Richards L-R-T Scheinder
R: Simmonds, Tuck, Johnson
Jolly, Kirk, Williams
Int: Krakouer,Hartigan, Hyde and eiether Tambling or Foley.
Chambers, Dempster, McVeigh, Ablett
I dunno if thats how the swans line up but i got it from last weeks teams. I see big wins for us down forward , They will have trouble matching richo and stafford. We seem to have them coverd down back on paper, Gaspar on Hall, Chubba on Micky, Hall on Goodes. Leaving Bowden, Newman and Raines to take the smaller blokes.
Stick polo on the HFF to negate kennelly, We need to shut down williams, i see crouch going to tag tivendale.
Fosdike and Crouch where the ones that killed us last game in the last qtr
All in all i like our chances a lot
Big Punt
11 May 2006, 07:01
Will be a great game but I gather you don't watch much AFL in general as you will see just about every club floods back and fills up space.
If you don't like the Swans chipping the ball around...one solution to all coaches...tell your players to MAN UP!! Last time I looked AFL was still 18 an side.
Funny you should say that. Carlton were trying the chip game against us, and I noticed that we were quite disciplined in manning up that night. This forced the bluebeggars to kick to a contest/take the wrong option/make a skill error. Was a big reason IMO for the high turnover rate.
dread and might
11 May 2006, 11:30
Hall on Goodes.
(Licks lips) Interesting matchups.
Richo always plays well against us and you would seem to have us stretched for talls in your forwardline. It will be a battle of clearances.
As for the "sydney"style of play, MTFU, and nobody will chip it around too much. Besides we have done less and less of it as our confidence has grown over the season. I don't suppose the tigers ever flood or kick short to a free man!?
May the best team win.
CoggaRules
11 May 2006, 11:47
Funny you should say that. Carlton were trying the chip game against us, and I noticed that we were quite disciplined in manning up that night. This forced the bluebeggars to kick to a contest/take the wrong option/make a skill error. Was a big reason IMO for the high turnover rate.
intersting stuff, if they made the skill errors because of our manning up, what was our excuse for chiming in with our part in the comedy? ;)
If there's one thing I've noticed over the past 10 years or so its that, as many of you have pointed out, Richo almost always seems to play well aganst the Swans (who can forget Round 7 2004?). He will be a key for us. He also seems to take a lot of speccies against Sydney too :p
Hall was kept goalless (I believe so anyway) last year by Gaspar, and O'Loughlin was held very tightly by Thursfield in his first game, so it was the small forwards and midfielders such as Schneider, Buchanan and Fosdike who turned it on in the last quarter and brought Sydney back into the game (not to mention we just simply died).
I'm obviously worried about Hall, and here's hoping Gas can do a similar job on him like last year, but Goodes is definitely my biggest concern. When you watch a Sydney match you'll notice that he is at almost every contest, and when you have a midfielder that size with that much skill, you know he can be very damaging. O'Keefe is another worry for me because he seems to always go under the radar when people mention the Swans. Hall is Hall, O'Loughlin is always dangerous (particularly in the past) and Davis is so skillful, but O'Keefe is a very strong mark and presents well. Having 4 forwards like that (assuming Davis returns) is definitely a worry.
I think we can win, and its a crucial game for us because we do have a tough draw coming up, and to get a win here will at least put us in a decent position, and if we sneak a win out of our tough matches who knows where we can go. I'd rather it at the G though. But as someone as mentioned, we gotta learn to play at the Dome sooner or later. The only great win I can remember there recently was the Port Adelaide match last year.
Stafford678
11 May 2006, 16:13
Why are there forwards so worrying , id say hall is a bit of worry but we have gaspar, hall, kellaway and bowden all as options for talls.
And then we have Raines, Newman, Hartigan has smaller defenders but newman has played on some gun players this year Fevola and Hird from note.
The swans forwards would wanna hope when they get the ball they hurt us on the scoreboard becuase Raines , Bowden, Hartigan and Newman are just gunna run like mad.
We didnt have a backline play like this last year, We had most of these players there but Hartigan and Raines hardly played, Newman played on the small forwards and we had graham, chaffey, hilton, as options down there aswell.
Id say we are one of the best running sides in defence at the moment, we cause the odd turnover through it somtimes but we rarely hold the ball up in the backline. Its our entry into the 50 that hurts us, against the bombers we where poor, the leading was pretty much non existant and they would allways bomb the ball up in the air and there was allways a big pack collision i dont think we once kicked it to a 1 on 1 marking contest which is where our big men in Richo and Stafford are better. See the lions game stafford got 3 goals i think they where all from 1 on 1 duels.
Big Punt
11 May 2006, 19:05
intersting stuff, if they made the skill errors because of our manning up, what was our excuse for chiming in with our part in the comedy? ;)
IMO we didn't have that many turnovers travelling from the backline into the forward line. Most of the time we effed it up in our forward 50. Our forward structure was not working that night. I couldn't be stuffed going back to look for the stats, but I think you'll find the F50 entries were lopsided in our favour despite only the 8 point margin.
gaelictiogar
12 May 2006, 01:30
Tough ask. IMHO someone should drop a bomb on Telstra Dome. We are a four-goal worse side there. We need to move the ball quickly and that will mean taking risks hitting targets. If it comes off, we could win by five goals. If it doesn't come off and we fall behind early, well, the Dome is sort of venue where blowouts can really happen. I'd rather see us lose by eight goals taking risks and developing our kids than scrapping a flooded two-goal loss. of course, I'll take a win if it's on offer any old how.
PLEASE stop moaning about the Dome. In the 70's we always believed we would win. It didn't matter where the game was or who it was against the Tiger hordes would descend on the place full of swagger and spunk and bravado and believe everyone was fair game everywhere.
Dome or not whoever we are playing are up against the Richmond tigers and we should not be afraid to go anywhere against anyone. Does a tiger worry about what part of the jungle he is hunting in? No he just devours his prey.
Crumden
12 May 2006, 22:04
PLEASE stop moaning about the Dome. In the 70's we always believed we would win. It didn't matter where the game was or who it was against the Tiger hordes would descend on the place full of swagger and spunk and bravado and believe everyone was fair game everywhere.
Dome or not whoever we are playing are up against the Richmond tigers and we should not be afraid to go anywhere against anyone. Does a tiger worry about what part of the jungle he is hunting in? No he just devours his prey.
True garlictiger. I reckon the young kids have that belief and will hold onto it as long as the older blokes don't start to drop their heads. Richo just has to start to believe that he can kick goals in the still, perfect conditions of the Dome and not just in windy blustery weather at the G. :eek:
Bojangles17
12 May 2006, 23:34
History shows we match up pretty well against the swannies, pity its not at the MCG. Richo will prove hard for them to contain provided our supply is at the level it has been in recent weeks. if stafford or Hughes can also bob up in the perfect indoor conditions then we have a menacing front half. Will be interesting to see who they choose to put the breaks on in our midfield. they have a couple of very good defensive midfielders which means our second tier midfielders will really need to step up.
In all if we can continue playing in the spirit we have played last few games with plenty of run and risk and an improved finishing for goal then our odds of 2.30 will prove to be a great return indeed.
eat'em alive tigers..:thumbsu:
tomthetiger
13 May 2006, 13:31
True garlictiger. I reckon the young kids have that belief and will hold onto it as long as the older blokes don't start to drop their heads. Richo just has to start to believe that he can kick goals in the still, perfect conditions of the Dome and not just in windy blustery weather at the G. :eek:
LOL you are a funny one.
red+black
13 May 2006, 18:15
This will sound like a troll, so be it, but a lot of you will need to accept where Richmond is at. And you should have more respect for the Swans. oxx especially, you need to take a good hard look at yourself. If they're pathetic ....
That said, a lot of my fellow Essendon supporters are unjustifiably optimistic as well. You'll probably still finish higher than us this year.
GrayNicolls
13 May 2006, 18:24
Swans are pathetic.
The fact they won the flag last year under a sneak like Paul Roos is an indictment on the game & where it has gone.
Leo Barry and his mates are so overated it's a joke.
Provided we play our own game and are not sucked into that "SYDNEY" style of play ,we should come away with the points.
We'll want 4+ from Richo.
:D good call
LittleSchneider
13 May 2006, 18:55
oxx - care to retract that statement....... If we are sooooo pathetic then where does that put you guys?? Even with a few senior players out a 100+ point drumming is absolutely disgraceful! Did you watch it till the end or leave/turn the tv off early??
This will sound like a troll, so be it, but a lot of you will need to accept where Richmond is at. And you should have more respect for the Swans. oxx especially, you need to take a good hard look at yourself. If they're pathetic ....
That said, a lot of my fellow Essendon supporters are unjustifiably optimistic as well. You'll probably still finish higher than us this year.
What's odd though is Essendon always get short odds, simply because they're Essendon. I never understand that, even if Essendon haven't lost their matches by much.
Regarding the Swans, I don't think too many people disrespected them. It was a fact that we have a decent record against them, and generally do match-up well so it was fair enough to be optimistic.
A few senior players missing?
Johnson (Captain)
Gaspar (Vice Captain)
Brown (Vice Captain)
Kellaway
Hall
Schulz
Thursfield
Thats 1/3 of our starting 18 unavailable with 678 games experience, who've been replaced by
Luke McGuane (debut)
Dean Polo (1 game)
Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls (1 game)
Cleve Hughes (2 games)
Nick Foley (11 games)
Andrew Raines (13 games)
Richard Tambling (17 games)
Daniel Jackson (19 games)
That's 8 players with under a season's worth of games plus
Brett Deledio (28 games)
Brent Hartigan (32 games)
who are only kids as well
red+black
13 May 2006, 19:35
Shocking loss, but at least you are blooding youngsters.
Essendon on the other hand, keep playing the same old duds (Solly finally dropped).
Errrreeaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
They will play their typical geischy game of trying to block everything up and chip around.
When we get the ball we MUST stick to our game plan and carry the ball and go looong over the top of the Frawleyers. If we can score more than 15 goals the game is ours in the bag.
Sydney are wrecking football and it's time sides stop pandering to their style of play.
Stick it up em ....
Richmond fans I am not wanting to troll but posts like this really irk me. Cub, I hope an 118 point thrashing and a high scoring game makes you never repeat stupid comments like this again.