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UpTheGuts
9 Oct 2006, 10:08
Bit premature I know, but if the scenario set out in The Australian was to occur and we went from #8, to #13, we could obviously say cheerio to any hopes of Thorp slipping to us so we would hope to snare...... Proud?
You think his 20m time will be enough to push him into the top 10? Can't see that happening tbh.
WOULD not be surprised! An athletic, quick, key position player! Clubs will be drooling!
tiger4life
11 Oct 2006, 19:00
Was just thinking about the draft today and came to the conclusion that Selwood was a real chance to slip down to us :D
Consider Gibbs goes #1, followed by Gumbleton and Hansen at #2 and #3.
#4 - Thorp, Best available KPP
#5 - Sellar, Next best available KPP (local boy)
#6 - Leuenberger, Best ruckman in draft, Probably one of best overall talents.
#7 - All we need is for Geelong to now go pace (Jetta) or KP (Riewoldt - next best KPP). They already have a fair few inside midfielders (Ling, Bartel, Corey, Rooke, D. Johnson) and generally lack pace, so its not very farfetched IMO.
#8 - Selwood!
Also, if Proud goes to Brissy at #4 (not unreasonable, with Matthews saying they are looking at more local talent this year) that gives it even more of a chance.
#1 - Gibbs
#2 - Gumbleton
#3 - Hansen
#4 - Proud
#5 - Sellar (or maybe Thorp)
#6 - Leuenberger
#7 - Thorp (or maybe Sellar/Jetta) <--- Thorp could even slip to us here if they select Jetta or Selwood.
#8 - Selwood!
Keep pick 8 Richmond! This kid is a deadset gun!
UpTheGuts
11 Oct 2006, 19:55
Selwood's key details? Height, weight, starsign?
Midfielder I know, other than that I only know he could be anything. Then again, I'm planning on winning Wimbledon in the next year or 2 so I guess I could be anything too.
i hope we dont get riewoldt or jetta
riewoldt will be just a 3rd tall and jetta is a midget
it'll either be the leftover from thorp, sellar, luenberger or one of proud or selwood
a guy like nathan brown or mckenzie will be good for us but they will both get picked up between 10-20 which is dissapointing
we dont need any forwards its midfield and tall backmen we should get 2 of each hopefully
Bentleigh
12 Oct 2006, 00:16
I very much doubt Geelong will draft Jetta @ 7.
tiger4life
12 Oct 2006, 00:39
I very much doubt Geelong will draft Jetta @ 7.
Why do you think this? Surely they already have a fair few inside mids (Ling, Bartel, Corey, Rooke etc.) . They have Tommy Hawkins locked in the bag as well as Ablett coming through, so they have some young KPP talent (if they did want a KPP, they would probably take Riewoldt, which I don't mind at all).
However they lack real pace. Varcoe's talent is unkown, Wojinski isn't that consistent. Ablett and Enright are quick, but not super-quick. Jetta would be pretty good for them I would think.
if i was geelong i would of gone out and gave 7 for a superstar because face it hawkins is top 3 so they could of really done some damage with 7
saying that i dont think they will get jetta cause they have junior ablett, stokes, varcoe all similar
riewoldt will be very good for them, they have similar types in gardiner and playfair but they are ****
Bentleigh
12 Oct 2006, 01:53
Why do you think this? Surely they already have a fair few inside mids (Ling, Bartel, Corey, Rooke etc.) . They have Tommy Hawkins locked in the bag as well as Ablett coming through, so they have some young KPP talent (if they did want a KPP, they would probably take Riewoldt, which I don't mind at all).
However they lack real pace. Varcoe's talent is unkown, Wojinski isn't that consistent. Ablett and Enright are quick, but not super-quick. Jetta would be pretty good for them I would think.
Tenace can run abit.
I see it hard for them to pass up any of Lungerbuerger (they could use a ruckman..), Proud (Proud sounds abit like an upgrade of Jetta) or Thorp (Hawkins would be nice, Hawkins + Thorp would be very nice), whoever is still around at 7.
Bentleigh
12 Oct 2006, 01:56
if i was geelong i would of gone out and gave 7 for a superstar because face it hawkins is top 3 so they could of really done some damage with 7
saying that i dont think they will get jetta cause they have junior ablett, stokes, varcoe all similar
riewoldt will be very good for them, they have similar types in gardiner and playfair but they are ****
If I was Geelong I'd draft who ever I thought was the best player @ 7 and focus the rest of my picks on fast mids.
They don't have heaps of great kids (Stokes, N Ablett, Varcoe, Prismall come to mind) so Hawkins and pick 7 could set them up nicly.
tiger4life
12 Oct 2006, 19:36
Alright, let say Miller gets the Polak trade done (#8 for #13 + Polak) and we have #13 instead of #8. Who do people think we will then be looking at drafting, as obviously we probably cant be hoping to get one of Selwood, Sellar or Thorp.
Will be be looking at an inside midfielder (Hislop/Armitage), a KPP (N. Brown/Mackenzie) or another pacy outside midfielder (Benjamin/Collard)?
IMO it would be fantastic if Proud were still available at #13.
Alright, let say Miller gets the Polak trade done (#8 for #13 + Polak) and we have #13 instead of #8. Who do people think we will then be looking at drafting, as obviously we probably cant be hoping to get one of Selwood, Sellar or Thorp.
Will be be looking at an inside midfielder (Hislop/Armitage), a KPP (N. Brown/Mackenzie) or another pacy outside midfielder (Benjamin/Collard)?
IMO it would be fantastic if Proud were still available at #13.
Well, according to Miller we have an abundance of inside midfielders.
If we have Polak, which we do according to this situation, then I believe Miller will go for what I believe we have an abundance of, outside midfielders.
This will make me angry.
Pick 8 should be off limits, and it is according to 'Tigers put picks before Polak' article on afl.com. Ideally the trade won't go through (get Polak another way). Abandoning our 'growing own youth' policy the year of the super draft would s*** me to tears. But as I said to you earlier today tiger4life, leaving the option open to trade down the draft order gives me the opinion the we're going to pick a surprise come first round draft day.
Personally, I'd love to get Selwood... with pick 8.
i think the most interesting question to ask is, is there a big difference in the quality between picks 8 and 13.. if we know the answer to that, wont that help ease our enquiring minds.. thats what worries me the most.. its supposed to be a superdraft.. so it makes me wonder what we are really risking..
Bentleigh
13 Oct 2006, 05:27
There is a big difference in #8 and #13 if someone like Selwood or dare I say Thorp drops to eight.
Will be an intersting couple hours.
See you all 2.00pm.
There is a big difference in #8 and #13 if someone like Selwood or dare I say Thorp drops to eight.
Only if you are sure that Thorp can play as a ruck-rover, only if you are sure that Selwood will be a lot better than Connors, O'Keefe, Benjamin, Hawksley etc.
Bentleigh
13 Oct 2006, 12:47
Only if you are sure that Thorp can play as a ruck-rover,
Thorp impressed me the most when seeing him on Telly earlier this year.
only if you are sure that Selwood will be a lot better than Connors, O'Keefe, Benjamin, Hawksley etc.
Carlton recuriting dude reckons he was consitering Selwood alside the big 3.
Bentleigh
13 Oct 2006, 13:06
12) Clinton Benjamin
Forward/Utility
187cms and 79kgs
27/7/88
Claremont (WA)
Huge disappointment in the U18s Carnival last year. Enormous wraps on him but was overall poor. The fact he was picked for the WA team a year before being eligible for the draft shows what the selectors thought of him.
Blindingly quick on a long lead he has pace to burn. Ran a 10.5 for the 100m at his school (not sure about the quality of the timing device) and he has some of the quickest first few steps you can imagine. Hits top speed and can hold it when the defender is unable to. Big leap and to see him get on a lead and take off for the ball is an awesome sight.
Good endurance and not just a sprinter. Struggled with the grounds for the Championships. Dew on them at times and his footing was unsure and never seemed to settle. More of an athlete rather than a footballer at this stage. Would be a bit like Sean Rusling from Collingwood drafted a year ago. Pacy smallish full forward with a big leap.
Would think Benjamin is that type of player but have seen him play down back and do well on bigger opponents and show himself to have all the skills.
Really could develop into anything with more experience. Will need to realise he will be a marked man and work harder on his game and to keep himself involved more. Not just be a mark and kick player.
Has to improve his work rate and to become smarter with his leading. The sort of player who may struggle for a position at AFL level if he stays at the current size. If he grows that 3 or 4 cms to go with the leap and speed he has got he will be a formidable package at full forward. Seems to have reasonable endurance but it is his speed and agility which sets him apart from almost everyone else.
If he develops the physical side to his game to go with his amazing athleticism he will be capable of anything. A bit of a project but taking his form at the U17 International Rules and form for Claremont he shows enough to be considered a first round prospect with his likely development.
A bit of an utility type who could play all over the ground but for me he needs to grow a bit and to be a leading forward to be worth this high a rating. If he does not then as a wing or flanker there are better and more complete candidates.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225797&page=2
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year of the cat
13 Oct 2006, 13:42
Tenace can run abit.
I see it hard for them to pass up any of Lungerbuerger (they could use a ruckman..), Proud (Proud sounds abit like an upgrade of Jetta) or Thorp (Hawkins would be nice, Hawkins + Thorp would be very nice), whoever is still around at 7.
Thompson has already stated we will go for the best available talent with our first pick regardless of the position they play. The following picks will be used for speedy skilled midfielders.
Polo_14
13 Oct 2006, 14:26
3 picks in the one of the strongest drafts ever
What an abo****e ****ing disgrace
Rancid_Beasties
13 Oct 2006, 14:33
3 picks in the one of the strongest drafts ever
What an abo****e ****ing disgrace
You're wrong, we have:
13, 26, 57, 60, 79
Will probably pass on 79, but thats still 4 picks.
UpTheGuts
13 Oct 2006, 15:22
crap. 4 picks is insufficient and i think we will regret this. miller must be held accountable, regardless.
weaver - thoughts?
Crumden
13 Oct 2006, 15:48
crap. 4 picks is insufficient and i think we will regret this. miller must be held accountable, regardless.
weaver - thoughts?We've got the same number of draft picks we had at the start of trade week. The only way we could have got more is by trading players, and by the sounds of it we didn't exactly have clubs beating down our door to get at them.
Calcium Man
13 Oct 2006, 16:12
crap. 4 picks is insufficient and i think we will regret this. miller must be held accountable, regardless.
weaver - thoughts?
That is so stupid. We had 5 players leave. Stafford and Chaffey retire. Kellaway, rodan and roach delisted. that leaves us with 5 open spots on our list. So 4 is perfect. We might get another player in the Pre season draft, might promote a rookie to fill all the spots on our list. So 4 picks is plenty.
crap. 4 picks is insufficient and i think we will regret this. miller must be held accountable, regardless.
weaver - thoughts?
We have added Polak.
We will use at least 4 draft picks.
We will have probably 3 picks in the rookie draft (Gas + Richo as vets and Graham retained).
That is 8 new bodies.
If Howat gets promoted, Polak gets added, Gas joins Richo on the vets list - and there are no more delistements (Roach, Rodan, Kellaway, Stafford, Chaffey) - we will have 4 picks.
We could easily generate more picks (if we want them) with Moore, Jackson, Limbach, McGuane yet to be re-contracted. Our decision is are those 5 guys better than anyone we would get at pick 75-ish?
Asking Miller to be held accountable for not aquiring extra picks is a bit harsh. Only 9 players got traded. The only club to move up in any significant way was Collingwood and they had to give up Tarrant to do so. No one was buying or selling.
Pick 13 - AA FULLBACK NATHAN BROWN
White - Brown - Bowden
Jon - Thursty/Polak - Casserly
thats hot :thumbsu:
Richo83
13 Oct 2006, 18:11
Only if you are sure that Thorp can play as a ruck-rover, only if you are sure that Selwood will be a lot better than Connors, O'Keefe, Benjamin, Hawksley etc.
He will.
Darth_Tiger
13 Oct 2006, 19:37
will we go for a player in the psd? looks like there might be a few players available, on the drafts and trading board everyone has us picking up jason cloke, but i think we might try and entice joel perry to come to us after all. that would mean we would have to delist one more player.
duckboy
13 Oct 2006, 20:14
We have added Polak.
We will use at least 4 draft picks.
We will have probably 3 picks in the rookie draft (Gas + Richo as vets and Graham retained).
That is 8 new bodies.
If Howat gets promoted, Polak gets added, Gas joins Richo on the vets list - and there are no more delistements (Roach, Rodan, Kellaway, Stafford, Chaffey) - we will have 4 picks.
We could easily generate more picks (if we want them) with Moore, Jackson, Limbach, McGuane yet to be re-contracted. Our decision is are those 5 guys better than anyone we would get at pick 75-ish?
Asking Miller to be held accountable for not aquiring extra picks is a bit harsh. Only 9 players got traded. The only club to move up in any significant way was Collingwood and they had to give up Tarrant to do so. No one was buying or selling.
Nice post Weave. Agree 100%. Can you please name some likely candidates now that we're a bit further down the 1st rd draft order? Ta.
will we go for a player in the psd? looks like there might be a few players available, on the drafts and trading board everyone has us picking up jason cloke, but i think we might try and entice joel perry to come to us after all. that would mean we would have to delist one more player.
Might be players available DT (even then I don't think there wil be many) but I don't think we'll have the $ at our disposal.
Bentleigh
15 Oct 2006, 02:31
Has not the entire Polak (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6054879#post6054879) issue thrown a spanner in the works. :)
Very intersting to see who we select in the first two rounds.
Richo83
15 Oct 2006, 14:22
I ask the same question, but in a different scenario, would you be happy with these players as our 1st pick at 13?
Benjamin
Proud
Selwood
Jetta
Hilsop
Connors
Armitage
Houli
Hurley
Collard
Riewoldt
Ried
Mourish
McKenzie
Allen (Jarryd)
Brown. M
Brown. N
Leungberger
Of course we would take
Gibbs
Hansen,
Gumbleton,
Thorp
or Sellar but that's unlikely.
Personally, I’d be happy with any of Gibbs, Hansen, Gumbleton, Thorp, Sellar, Selwood or Proud (Obvious reasons all potential stars). As well as Leunberger (even though he is a ruckman, at 13 he is a steal), Jetta (even though he doesn’t fix the spine frees up Tambling to play in the midfield, and considering we are losing Rodan this year and possibly Krakouer soon, could be our HFF and rotate into the midfield which is rather slow) or Riewoldt (okay, he’s a third tall, but at 13 he’s not bad and could complement Hughes and Schulz in the forward line.)
That’s 10 I’m happy with, what do others think about what would be the others that would be a good choice, would Benjamin be a good choice? What about Houli, Riewoldt, Jetta or Armitage? I realise that I have asked this question, but what we wouldn’t take at 8 we may take at 13, so it is different.
If anyone can add any others that are worthy or could be drafted at 13, please add to the list.
tiger4life
15 Oct 2006, 15:00
I ask the same question, but in a different scenario, would you be happy with these players as our 1st pick at 13?
Benjamin
Proud
Selwood
Jetta
Hilsop
Connors
Armitage
Houli
Hurley
Collard
Riewoldt
Ried
Mourish
McKenzie
Allen (Jarryd)
Brown. M
Brown. N
Leungberger
Of course we would take
Gibbs
Hansen,
Gumbleton,
Thorp
or Sellar but that's unlikely.
Personally, I’d be happy with any of Gibbs, Hansen, Gumbleton, Thorp, Sellar, Selwood or Proud (Obvious reasons all potential stars). As well as Leunberger (even though he is a ruckman, at 13 he is a steal), Jetta (even though he doesn’t fix the spine frees up Tambling to play in the midfield, and considering we are losing Rodan this year and possibly Krakouer soon, could be our HFF and rotate into the midfield which is rather slow) or Riewoldt (okay, he’s a third tall, but at 13 he’s not bad and could complement Hughes and Schulz in the forward line.)
That’s 10 I’m happy with, what do others think about what would be the others that would be a good choice, would Benjamin be a good choice? What about Houli, Riewoldt, Jetta or Armitage? I realise that I have asked this question, but what we wouldn’t take at 8 we may take at 13, so it is different.
If anyone can add any others that are worthy or could be drafted at 13, please add to the list.
The midfielders that I have put in bold are players that I would be extremely happy to see at Richmond.
Selwood would be an absolute steal at #13 and I would be over the moon, but it is very unlikely.
Proud is a chance to slide, and I think he would be terrific at Richmond, adding pace, toughness and good skills...assets that TW likes a lot. Would be very happy if we were able to draft young Albert :D
IMO Armitage or Hislop are probably the next best real in & under midfielders, (after Selwood and Proud) who both find their own footy. Both very hard at the contest, and have good skills. Armitage was 1st in the agility test at draft camp, which is a big plus, while Hislop was 4th. Armitage also featured in the top 10 for both the Beep Test and 3km time-trial. Both made the U-18 team following the NAB U-18 carnival, each averaging 20 possessions. These two are the most realistic options for us at #13 if we were to take a midfielder, and I think at this stage I would rate Armitage slightly higher, but I would be very happy if either of them were to come to Richmond next year.
As for the KPP, I think the most likely would be N. Brown, who showed real pace at draft camp, and was Full Back in the All Australian U-18 team. Would be a terrific asset down back in years to come, and would love to see him at Richmond next year if TW wanted a KPP.
Any of the players in red would quite clearly be a steal, and it would be extremely unlikely for us to draft one of them. I, and many other Richmond supporters, would obviously be rapt if this were to happen though.
EDIT: Woops, missed Connors, another mid-sized midfielder. Selected wing in U-18 All-Australian side, and from what i saw, has got a strong mark, good skills and is pretty quick. Wins the footy and uses it well, would be more than happy to see playing for the tiges next year.
I ask the same question, but in a different scenario, would you be happy with these players as our 1st pick at 13?
Jetta, Houli, Hurley, Riewoldt, Ried
I would be unhappy with those at pick 40 let alone 13.
Brown. M, Brown. N, McKenzie
Not our types. We want pace, mobility and skill. Not pack markers who don't cover ground.
Benjamin
He's a squib. In the mix for sure but pray for others.
Mourish
No one knows, just have to back the recruiting department on that one.
Hislop, Armitage
We probably won't recruit a Coughlan type at 13. Just not our style. Can get someone latter who can play in the guts. Miller has already said we have depth inside.
Allen (Jarryd)
We apparantly don't rate him. Is probably 30+ anyway.
Gibbs
Hansen,
Gumbleton,
Thorp
Leungberger
They'll be gone, take any of them. Thorp is the only one I'd be nervous about.
Sellar but that's unlikely.
Mid-sized ruckman / forward like Pattison and Simmonds. I'd pass and take one of the good ruckmen in next year's draft. Kreuzer and McEvoy suit us better.
Proud
Selwood
Connors
Collard
That's probably the group. Throw in Danny O'Keefe, Travis Boak, Tim Houlihan, Shane Edwards. Perhaps James Hawksley. Tom Collier if we go tall.
Richo83
15 Oct 2006, 18:40
That's probably the group. Throw in Danny O'Keefe, Travis Boak, Tim Houlihan, Shane Edwards. Perhaps James Hawksley. Tom Collier if we go tall.
How would you rate the group of nine (Proud, Selwood, Connors, Collard, O'Keefe, Boak, Houlihan, Edwards, Collier and Hawksley) you mentioned from best to worst?
And would we take any of thes group of players at 13 or 26?
Zarra
Petterd
O'Brien
Grigg
Moss
Sheringham
Fielding
Bird
Urquhart
Schmidt
Grant
Dzufer
Licht
Kiel
Grigg
Farr
Eddy
Anderson
Masten
Moss
Rioli
Djerrka
Colbung
wart101
15 Oct 2006, 18:43
i've been looking at our situation in the draft and although we arn't in the best position, we arn't looking to bad i think.
i guess the question is are we looking better then we did last year and i think yes and i think we can still get quality players out of the draft with the current picks we have.
How would you rate the group of nine (Proud, Selwood, Connors, Collard, O'Keefe, Boak, Houlihan, Edwards, Collier and Hawksley) you mentioned from best to worst?
I think Connors is the best. Then O'Keefe and Boak. Houlihan is elite running player. Edwards is pure speed but makes mistakes at full tilt (Tivendale). Hawksley is similar to JON. Collier is a good mobile KP prospect.
So Connors, O'Keefe, Boak, Houlihan, Hawksley, Collier, Edwards.
And would we take any of thes group of players at 13 or 26?
Zarra, Bird, Dzufer, Licht, Kiel, O'Brien, Fielding, Eddy, Colbung
Won't be drafted IMO.
Grigg, Moss
Won't be drafted by us.
Schmidt
Urquhart
Anderson
Ryan Anderson or Joe Anderson? Either way that group will probably be 30+ territory. Schimdt could be at 26 - although I don't think he is dynamic enough for our type of backpocket.
Masten
Rioli
Too young - not elligable.
Grant
Farr
?
Petterd
Sheringham
Djerkurra
Yeah those could be in the mix.
Realistic Tiger
15 Oct 2006, 20:04
KNowing that Wallace has taken the quick midfield type in the last 2 drafts wold taking a guy like N.Brown be an error at Pick 13 or would taking a player like Nathan Krakouer(suggested in other thread) and getting say M.Brown be a safer option. I know it may have bee discussed already but 23 pages is a lot to scan through.
Bentleigh
16 Oct 2006, 17:14
Albert Proud, Tom Hislop, type would be very nice @ #13 IMO
How about Jetta @ #13? - what people think?
tiger4life
16 Oct 2006, 20:32
Albert Proud, Tom Hislop, type would be very nice @ #13 IMO
How about Jetta @ #13? - what people think?
Agree and also, add to that list Daniel Connors if we want an inside/outside midfielder, who reads the play and moves very well...or Davied Armitage if we want a pure inside midfielder who wins lots of contested footy. Both made U-18 AA, and both have good skills, which is more than handy the way footy is being played today.
Richo83
16 Oct 2006, 20:46
I think Connors is the best. Then O'Keefe and Boak. Houlihan is elite running player. Edwards is pure speed but makes mistakes at full tilt (Tivendale). Hawksley is similar to JON. Collier is a good mobile KP prospect.
So Connors, O'Keefe, Boak, Houlihan, Hawksley, Collier, Edwards.
Would you rate Collard alongside Proud and Selwood?
tiger4life
16 Oct 2006, 23:58
What do people think of Richmond taking Ricky Petterd as a possible 2nd round pick?
He won the best divison-2 player at the National Champs ahead of Proud and Armitage. Is very quick, skilful and strong overhead.
I am presuming we may take a midfielder with our 1st pick, so TW might want to wait until the later rounds to draft big-bodied KPP (such as Jesse White). With the addition of Polak, we are not as desperate for a KPP, so it might be worth waiting until the later rounds and getting quality midfielders with our first 2 picks.
Thoughts?
duckboy
17 Oct 2006, 00:30
I haven't seen enough of the U18s to comment on specifics but I would imagine midfielders early will be the likely outcome. There will be a feeding frenzy in the top 10 over the likes of Thorp, Gumby, Leuenberger et al and then we'll hopefully snap up the 4th or 5th best midfielder at 13. By the time our second pick comes around, who knows?
Would you rate Collard alongside Proud and Selwood?
Nope. Collard is a HFF, FP goalsneak type at the moment. He would have to learn how to play midfield and become a fulltime rover. Luke Power and Brent Harvey managed it of course, and Collard has quickness and class to do the same. But he would be a gamble. Could simply end up with a FP like Farmer which is not what we need and not really a good return on pick 13.
Bentleigh
17 Oct 2006, 14:51
Nope. Collard is a HFF
You told me Selwood was a HFF :rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richo83
Gibbs
Hansen,
Gumbleton,
Thorp
Leungberger
They'll be gone, take any of them. Thorp is the only one I'd be nervous about.
Lenugberger (a couple weeks ago according to Weaver) wasn't worth drafting @ 8.
You told me Selwood was a HFF :rolleyes:
Selwood doesn't win the hard ball, doesn't have genuine pace and is scrappy by foot. He is a playmaker like Nick Stevens or Shane Crawford. Collard is more a Didak type. Dynamic forward. Neither is really going to contribute in the centresquare in the way that guys like Proud are profected to do.
Lenugberger (a couple weeks ago according to Weaver) wasn't worth drafting @ 8.
For us. We are not Brisbane or Port built around dominant tap ruckmen. We would prefer a mobile, athletic midfielder type like White or Goodes.
I don't think we would take him at 8 because a ruckman is not that important to our system. I think others will take him top-5.
Selwood doesn't win the hard ball, doesn't have genuine pace and is scrappy by foot. He is a playmaker like Nick Stevens or Shane Crawford. Collard is more a Didak type. Dynamic forward. Neither is really going to contribute in the centresquare in the way that guys like Proud are profected to do.
For us. We are not Brisbane or Port built around dominant tap ruckmen. We would prefer a mobile, athletic midfielder type like White or Goodes.
I don't think we would take him at 8 because a ruckman is not that important to our system. I think others will take him top-5.
I agree others will take him in the top five. He is a gun. Watched him play at the end of the year with East Perth and against Claremont- with Micheal Gardiner and Daniel Bandy in ruck, he really played well- I think he had 18 possessions and 20 hit outs. His stocks have risen so much over the last few rounds of the WAFL season that he'll go well before we get a pick. Unusually good around the ground for a kid of his size- most kids his build struggle against men to read the play and get invovled but he has had no problems in the WAFL. If he's there- take him! Give him a few years to develop further with half a season here and there and he'll be ripe to take over from Simmo.
UpTheGuts
19 Oct 2006, 13:11
Would be happy if we get 1 of Armitage, Proud, Connors, Hislop @ 13. Then hopefully N Brown lasts or 1 of those first 4 is there @ 26.
I'll follow the career of the bloke chosen @ pick 8 with interest.
Bentleigh
19 Oct 2006, 15:00
Whats Armitage like?
I like his name, sounds tough.
tiger4life
19 Oct 2006, 19:06
Whats Armitage like?
I like his name, sounds tough.
Very tough inside midfilder/Half back flanker.
From what i saw watching him for Queensland at the national championships, he attacks the ball with ferocity and doesnt take a backwards step. Wins a heap of contested footy.
Armitage is pretty quick, has good skills (I think he is a left footer) and raked 1st for agility at draft camp as well as top 10 placings in the beep test and 3km time-trial.
Richo83
22 Oct 2006, 12:21
So Weaver you think that Collard >>>>> Jetta. Are they similar players, and if so what about Collard makes him superior?
So Weaver you think that Collard >>>>> Jetta. Are they similar players, and if so what about Collard makes him superior?
Jetta is probably a forward pocket. He is quite small, very selfish and overrated in terms of pace, skill and toughness. Like a lot of flashy guys who kick goals he gets a lot of attention and has a reputation.
Collard also is smallish and plays across half-forward. I think his skills are cleaner and he is more likely to make the transition to being a midfielder. He has shown more ability to win his own footy and contribute more than just flashy goals.
I'd say Jetta was likely to stay a permanent forward like Jeff Farmer while Collard is a little more like Alan Didak and could take some stints in the midfield in time.
Crumden
22 Oct 2006, 15:13
From what I've read, Jetta is about 175cm. At that height he'd have to be something really special to go for a first round pick. Blokes like Foley and Eddie Betts slipped all the way to the rookie draft. I haven't seen him play, but I'd be surprised if that type of player got picked as high in the draft as people are suggesting on the drafts board. Clubs prefer to use their first round picks on 6 foot + runners or on talls these days.
Richo83
22 Oct 2006, 20:51
Jetta is probably a forward pocket. He is quite small, very selfish and overrated in terms of pace, skill and toughness. Like a lot of flashy guys who kick goals he gets a lot of attention and has a reputation.
Collard also is smallish and plays across half-forward. I think his skills are cleaner and he is more likely to make the transition to being a midfielder. He has shown more ability to win his own footy and contribute more than just flashy goals.
I'd say Jetta was likely to stay a permanent forward like Jeff Farmer while Collard is a little more like Alan Didak and could take some stints in the midfield in time.
Okay then. Would you be happy if Richmond took Collard at pick 13?
Delidio
22 Oct 2006, 21:52
was it armitage who wore the helmet?
Okay then. Would you be happy if Richmond took Collard at pick 13?
Not really. I think you should be looking for more bang for your buck than a rover in the top-20. They are occasionally exceptions but I don't think Collard is one.
I think we will take a midfielder. Our template for midfielders is tall, fast and long kicking. That probably means O'Keefe, Connors, Boak, Houlihan, Benjamin, Hawksley, Pettard ... someone like that.
was it armitage who wore the helmet?
Urquhart wore the helmet.
rfctigerarmy
23 Oct 2006, 09:28
I'd hate for Richmond to select a player and get dudded.... like we did with Fiona.
:(
duckboy
23 Oct 2006, 12:48
I'd hate for Richmond to select a player and get dudded.... like we did with Fiona.
:(
Its all a lottery though. No guarantees at Pick 1 or pick 13.
Richo83
23 Oct 2006, 13:24
Not really. I think you should be looking for more bang for your buck than a rover in the top-20. They are occasionally exceptions but I don't think Collard is one.
I think we will take a midfielder. Our template for midfielders is tall, fast and long kicking. That probably means O'Keefe, Connors, Boak, Houlihan, Benjamin, Hawksley, Pettard ... someone like that.
Okay. So what your saying is that like like Pendelbury and JON last year, we may pick a player that everyone thought would go 15-25.
Correct?
macca69
23 Oct 2006, 13:34
Not really. I think you should be looking for more bang for your buck than a rover in the top-20. They are occasionally exceptions but I don't think Collard is one.
I think we will take a midfielder. Our template for midfielders is tall, fast and long kicking. That probably means O'Keefe, Connors, Boak, Houlihan, Benjamin, Hawksley, Pettard ... someone like that.
Would you think that these guys would be of interest to Richmond:
Proud, Djerkurra, Krakouer, Edwards, Schmidt, Morton and Houli?
Bentleigh
23 Oct 2006, 14:38
Its all a lottery though.
No, its not. Its a draft.
austyn08
23 Oct 2006, 22:22
Urquhart wore the helmet.
It was Armitage if we are talking about the NAB championships :)
While we are throwing names i think Urquhart is top 10 if not top 5 material and Hislop is well up there too. Be very happy with either but i see Benjamin coming our way... if he's not taken earlier.
Also, just after an opinion weaver, what do you think of Danny Measures and Evan Dyryea? I think they go alright although Measures had a shocking carnival.
Thanks.
Evan DyryeaThanks.
Is that pronounced the way I suspect it may be? I'll guess he has plenty of run!
Richo83
29 Oct 2006, 07:18
What would be Richmond's ideal KPP in this draft that fits into their plans?
mini_me316
29 Oct 2006, 19:59
What would be Richmond's ideal KPP in this draft that fits into their plans?
Lachlan Hansen or Scott Gumbleton, most prefferbly.
Bentleigh
29 Oct 2006, 22:30
What would be Richmond's ideal KPP in this draft that fits into their plans?
Gumbleton
Richo83
29 Oct 2006, 22:35
Lachlan Hansen or Scott Gumbleton, most prefferbly.
Some real insight going on here. :rolleyes: As if we are ever going to get any of these, think realisticly, use that thing between your ears please.
mini_me316
30 Oct 2006, 00:08
Some real insight going on here. :rolleyes: As if we are ever going to get any of these, think realisticly, use that thing between your ears please.
Are you saying Gumbleton and Hansen wont be over looked, NOOOOO!:eek:
I would love to get Nathan Brown, would shore up our defence for the next 10 years, if he is gone then someone like Armitage, Hilsop or Attard.
Tigerbob
30 Oct 2006, 07:28
Are you saying Gumbleton and Hansen wont be over looked, NOOOOO!:eek:
I would love to get Nathan Brown, would shore up our defence for the next 10 years, if he is gone then someone like Armitage, Hilsop or Attard.
It's Pettard, but I get your drift ;)
At 13 we are in a good situation as we will get a top 10 pick regardless (this draft being that strong I still regard picks from 7-16 a top 10 pick), the only thing is we will have to wait to see how the draft pans out before knowing what we are going to get.
Nathan Brown will be a solid player yes, but I feel we can get a tall later that we can develop along the same lines, at pick 13 we can get a top class runner, which is what we should do.
mini_me316
30 Oct 2006, 20:08
It's Pettard, but I get your drift ;)
Oops.
At 13 we are in a good situation as we will get a top 10 pick regardless (this draft being that strong I still regard picks from 7-16 a top 10 pick), the only thing is we will have to wait to see how the draft pans out before knowing what we are going to get.
Nathan Brown will be a solid player yes, but I feel we can get a tall later that we can develop along the same lines, at pick 13 we can get a top class runner, which is what we should do.
I don't think we need a runner already got plenty ie: Deledio, Meyer, Tambo, Hyde, Casserly, Howat, JON and Matt White can play like that as well.
Our best option would be a tall KPP hopefully someone who could play in the backline, maybe Pettard, Brown or Jarrad Allen and then with our second pick a good inside midfielder, then another Ruckman to help back up Simmo, Knobel and Patto in the future, someone like Jesse White would be good as he would be pretty much able to come into the side straight away with his big body.
please stop now your posts are hurting my eyes
we need midfielders and good ones at that, the bulldogs showed that if you have the ball your crap KP players are less likely to get hurt (Hall, Gaspar)
id go first 3 players all small mids and then psd and rookie some big blokes
corporal
30 Oct 2006, 20:49
please stop now your posts are hurting my eyes
we need midfielders and good ones at that, the bulldogs showed that if you have the ball your crap KP players are less likely to get hurt (Hall, Gaspar)
id go first 3 players all small mids and then psd and rookie some big blokes
Agreed we are crying out for class midfielders.
Picking up Polak has given us excellent flexibility to pick up the best midfielder possible
Richo83
30 Oct 2006, 22:00
Please stop now your posts are hurting my eyes
we need midfielders and good ones at that, the bulldogs showed that if you have the ball your crap KP players are less likely to get hurt (Hall, Gaspar)
id go first 3 players all small mids and then psd and rookie some big blokes
Weren't you the poster who was gunning for N. Brown a no. 13? Changed your tune?
If Richmond was to pick a midfielder as their first pick, who would it be? Not critiquing the idea, just wondering who you would suggest.
13 days left
This is what Weaver had in the Phantom Draft;
13: Daniel O'Keefe - Medium Medfielder
26: James Hawksley - Medium Defender/Forward
Thoughts/Comments?
Tigerbob
12 Nov 2006, 12:16
13 days left
This is what Weaver had in the Phantom Draft;
13: Daniel O'Keefe - Medium Medfielder
26: James Hawksley - Medium Defender/Forward
Thoughts/Comments?
Would be very happy with that!
13: Daniel O'Keefe/David Armitage/Travis Boak/Tom Hislop
26: James Hawksley/Kurt Tippett/Clinton Benjamin/Mitch Brown
These are more likely the options that will confront us, would be very happy with any of these players.
Richo83
12 Nov 2006, 16:06
13 days left
This is what Weaver had in the Phantom Draft;
13: Daniel O'Keefe - Medium Medfielder
26: James Hawksley - Medium Defender/Forward
Thoughts/Comments?
Weaver seems keen on those players. He also is keen on Edwards (Shane), Connors and Boak.
macca69
12 Nov 2006, 16:15
Would be very happy with that!
13: Daniel O'Keefe/David Armitage/Travis Boak/Tom Hislop
26: James Hawksley/Kurt Tippett/Clinton Benjamin/Mitch Brown
These are more likely the options that will confront us, would be very happy with any of these players.
I suspect Armitage and Boak will be gone by #13. I also think Hislop will be around at #26 if not taken at #13 and that pick #26 for Mitch Brown is way too high a pick for him. Interesting reading regardless.
I suspect Armitage and Boak will be gone by #13. I also think Hislop will be around at #26 if not taken at #13 and that pick #26 for Mitch Brown is way too high a pick for him. Interesting reading regardless.
I know that his brother is a key backman but where does Mitch play?
I know that his brother is a key backman but where does Mitch play?
Nathan Brown and Mitch Brown are identical twins. Play very similar roles.
Both started as key forwards. Nathan would typically play FF and Mitch at CHF. Mitch would generally change in the ruck. North Ballarat basically had a 3-man short ruck division. Mitch would spend 10 minutes ruck, 10 minutes CHF, 10 minutes FF in most quarters.
In desperation Nathan was swung to FB by Vic Country in the trials. They needed a tall, strong defender because they anticipated having to match up on Hawkins, Gumbelton and Sellar. The 187cm defenders like Frawley weren't going to be able to do it.
Nathan's first experince at FB was then. He thrived against the gorillas and starred at the Championships. Played down back for North Ballarat quite a bit after that.
Mitchell was equally good for Vic Country at FF. Again he is a big gorilla style forward. Loves using the elbows, running through blokes. Definate Greg Stafford school of "get out of my way". Both brothers love crunching people.
No question that Mitchell could play down back if his brother hadn't snared the gig. Nathan only got the gig because his brother was playing better football and so was first choice FF/Ruck and they had to find a job for Nathan.
I think that people who have Nathan top-10 and Mitchell outisde the top-50 are a bit lazy. That is based entirely upon the roles they played, not the actual talent and ability of the players in question.
As for coming to Richmond? Both are big, heavy blokes. They are in that Ben Holland, Ben Rutten, Simon Prestigiacomo style. They are going to be big units. I don't know if we want guys like that. I think we prefer the lighter, more agile, quicker, more skilled Mark Graham, Thursfield type defenders.
Because of the type of players they are, big gorillas from the old school, I have both players as unlikely draft picks.
GeppStar
14 Nov 2006, 12:37
i would love it if nathan brown was drafted by the tigers, i reckon he will b an absolute star! The only reason i rate nathan ova mitch is that nathan is quicker off the mark and we all no gaspar isnt the fastest man alive, but i doint think he will b around at pick 26. I have never seen o'keefe play yet people rate him high, who does he play like currently that we can compare him to??
Calcium Man
14 Nov 2006, 14:21
As for coming to Richmond? Both are big, heavy blokes. They are in that Ben Holland, Ben Rutten, Simon Prestigiacomo style. They are going to be big units. I don't know if we want guys like that. I think we prefer the lighter, more agile, quicker, more skilled Mark Graham, Thursfield type defenders.
Because of the type of players they are, big gorillas from the old school, I have both players as unlikely draft picks.
If they played that similar role to Rutten then wouldnt they be very handy down back for us. Looking at adelaide they have the one big gorilla and a group of fleetfooted runners. The same with West Coast. Im not saying take one of these two early but a big gorilla FB late in the draft would be a good pick up.
If one was avaliable at our third pick would we take them??
more agile, quicker, more skilled Mark Graham
is this a joke?
i would love to get nathan brown because hall would be out the door next year but it wont happen
expect a 70kg WA boy with our first pick and then who gives a ******** i will be watching the ashes
is this a joke?
i would love to get nathan brown because hall would be out the door next year but it wont happen
expect a 70kg WA boy with our first pick and then who gives a ******** i will be watching the ashes
I'm new to BigFooty, is PLSC always angry?
Calcium Man
14 Nov 2006, 15:37
I'm new to BigFooty, is PLSC always angry?
I think so
wart101
14 Nov 2006, 16:27
13 days left
This is what Weaver had in the Phantom Draft;
13: Daniel O'Keefe - Medium Medfielder
26: James Hawksley - Medium Defender/Forward
Thoughts/Comments?
i wanted to be in the phantom draft :'(
wart101
14 Nov 2006, 16:29
I'm new to BigFooty, is PLSC always angry?
I think so
yes he is, but he loves RFC so don't worry about it!
Bentleigh
14 Nov 2006, 18:46
I'm new to BigFooty, is PLSC always angry?
Not angry, passionate.
Coughlan
16 Nov 2006, 21:24
is this a joke?
i would love to get nathan brown because hall would be out the door next year but it wont happen
expect a 70kg WA boy with our first pick and then who gives a ******** i will be watching the ashes
please dont come to the cricket forum, we already have enough idiots there, but i guess that means you would fit in
Calcium Man
17 Nov 2006, 12:26
Just wondering what you think of Ben reid Weaver?? Is tall and quick and versitile seems like the kind of KPP we might actually be interesed in.
Richo83
17 Nov 2006, 13:21
Just wondering what you think of Ben reid Weaver?? Is tall and quick and versitile seems like the kind of KPP we might actually be interesed in.
Doesn't like him, says he's too soft.
Doesn't like him, says he's too soft.
Does GM and TW care much about courage?
You can't say Tambling, Meyer, Oakley-Nicholls are your courageous types.
Does GM and TW care much about courage?
You can't say Tambling, Meyer, Oakley-Nicholls are your courageous types.
Tambling, Meyer and JON are outside winger / flankers. They aren't expected to be too butch.
Reid is supposedly a CHF. He has never played there in juniors because he hates contesting and hates physical contact. He plays most of his footy on the wing, as a loose man in defence or as a HFF with permision to roam around taking marks near the boundary. Can't forgive the softness in a CHF that you can in a wingman.
He is very young, extremely light, will be quite tall (197cm ish) and has athleticism and skill. Certainly plenty to work with. But at the moment he is a squib. Very much a Ben Harrison, Pat Bowden type. Tall enough to play KP but plays netball.
Supertiger
18 Nov 2006, 09:58
Whilst Im a fan of Hawksley people have suggested that Daniel O'Keefe has firmed as favorite for us if hes available at 13.
Calcium Man
18 Nov 2006, 10:22
Tambling, Meyer and JON are outside winger / flankers. They aren't expected to be too butch.
Reid is supposedly a CHF. He has never played there in juniors because he hates contesting and hates physical contact. He plays most of his footy on the wing, as a loose man in defence or as a HFF with permision to roam around taking marks near the boundary. Can't forgive the softness in a CHF that you can in a wingman.
He is very young, extremely light, will be quite tall (197cm ish) and has athleticism and skill. Certainly plenty to work with. But at the moment he is a squib. Very much a Ben Harrison, Pat Bowden type. Tall enough to play KP but plays netball.
So definately our type then! ;)
Tambling, Meyer and JON are outside winger / flankers. They aren't expected to be too butch.
Reid is supposedly a CHF. He has never played there in juniors because he hates contesting and hates physical contact. He plays most of his footy on the wing, as a loose man in defence or as a HFF with permision to roam around taking marks near the boundary. Can't forgive the softness in a CHF that you can in a wingman.
He is very young, extremely light, will be quite tall (197cm ish) and has athleticism and skill. Certainly plenty to work with. But at the moment he is a squib. Very much a Ben Harrison, Pat Bowden type. Tall enough to play KP but plays netball.
Weaver, I know from all your posts that your saying that Richmond will take the fast, outside, flankers and don't think that there is a key, tall player that is suitable for Richmond (Browns, Reid, Riewoldt). But every team needs a few KP. So in this draft who do you think are suitable KP that Richmond would be interested in. Cheers.
brown_2000au
19 Nov 2006, 08:53
Lets all hope that Jetta slips to 13, that we can pick up one of McKenzie, N.Brown, M.Brown, Allen or Reid at 26, Mourish slips to 58 and Gouldstein at 60. I think this would be a great result for the club.
We would get,
A quick and skillful midfielder/forward. A versitile key position player. A "smokey" who could honestly become anything and from all reports could play anywhere on the ground and a ruckman to add depth to that department. In this situation i would pass on Kingsley. It would be important for us to use our last two picks on midfielders, hoping that guys like Adams or Moss where somehow overlooked by the other clubs.
Bentleigh
19 Nov 2006, 10:46
Jetta @ 13.
hehe, that'd be intersting.
Calcium Man
19 Nov 2006, 10:53
Jetta @ 13.
hehe, that'd be intersting.
If that happened i may just kill somebody!
Bentleigh
19 Nov 2006, 12:03
If that happened i may just kill somebody!
I've had to explain to my (older, less say less cultured than I) mates the last 2 years why we have taken small, skinny, aborignal kids with our high picks the last two years.
I may struggle this time around.