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Richo83
19 Nov 2006, 16:41
Weaver, I know from all your posts that your saying that Richmond will take the fast, outside, flankers and don't think that there is a key, tall player that is suitable for Richmond (Browns, Reid, Riewoldt). But every team needs a few KP. So in this draft who do you think are suitable KP that Richmond would be interested in. Cheers.
Richmond only needs 3 talls on the ground at the one time, FB, ruck and FF. Richmond's game-plan doesn't require 8 talls.
Weaver, I know from all your posts that your saying that Richmond will take the fast, outside, flankers and don't think that there is a key, tall player that is suitable for Richmond (Browns, Reid, Riewoldt). But every team needs a few KP. So in this draft who do you think are suitable KP that Richmond would be interested in. Cheers.
I think we need to improve our midfield. Despite our improvement it was (statistically at least) the worst in the league.
The clever clubs now realise that you should take inside midfielders early (unless the KP player is much much better). History tells us that KP players taken at 5, 30, 50 or on the rookie list are equally as likely to make the grade.
I would love to take a hard-at-it centre-square player but Hislop and Armitage (perhaps Connors) are probably the only obvious ones. And none really looks a match-winner type.
I don't believe in recruting specialst defenders early. There is very little difference between a FB who conceedes 4 goals and one who conceedes 2. There is a bigger difference between a 30-touch midfielder who creates goals and a 15 touch midfielder. Your fullback has the ball in his hands so rarely you can get away with a nuff-nuff if the midfield is up to scratch.
There will be late-round KP players available to give us defensive options. Mark Austin, Gavin Grose, Simon Plummer, Will Schofield, Colin Garland, Tom Collier, Jarryd Allan, Andrejs Everitt are likely to be available after 30. All are athletic defenders.
Ruckmen are normally a waste of a pick. Leuenberger is the exception. Unless you have a blue-chipper you may as well use the rookie list. Adam Pattison (pick 16) and probably still 2 years away from comanding a spot in the team on merit. Much better waiting for a ruckman next year when the class looks extremely strong.
Key forwards are tougher. Basically you want a blue-chipper or nothing. Load up a team with Kingsley, McCarthy, Lonergan, Mackie, Johnson, Gardiner, N.Ablett, Playfair like Geelong do and you can rotate them through but it doesn't help at all. You'd swap them all for Barry Hall. Gumbleton, Sellar and Hawkins are the chances in this draft - no point 'forcing' a pick and aquiring a heap of B-graders at the expense of strengthening the midfield.
another piece from the great man :thumbsu:
looking forward to your "words of wisdom" during the week
Richo83
19 Nov 2006, 19:10
How many match-winning midfielders are there in this draft? And who would they be Weaver?
duckboy
19 Nov 2006, 19:39
another piece from the great man :thumbsu:
looking forward to your "words of wisdom" during the week
Hey that actually contains some positivity PLSC! Get a root last night?
How many match-winning midfielders are there in this draft? And who would they be Weaver?
Few. Really looks a draft for talls, and rovers. There are some guys who have mostly played flanks and wings who will get picked up, and some will become midfielders in time, but they are mostly gambles.
Gibbs of course but he will go 1. Connors, Proud, Boak, Selwood look the inside-midfield candidates. Hislop and Armitage are more Coughlan-type extractors which may or may not suit Wallace and the run-run-run campaign.
Guys like Pettard, Krakouer, Houlihan, Edwards are probably 10-15kg under a playing weight so risky.
Houli, Djerrkurra, Collard, Jetta, O'Brien are all 180cm or less and we aren't really a team that takes rovers early.
Richo83
19 Nov 2006, 23:19
Few. Really looks a draft for talls, and rovers. There are some guys who have mostly played flanks and wings who will get picked up, and some will become midfielders in time, but they are mostly gambles.
Gibbs of course but he will go 1. Connors, Proud, Boak, Selwood look the inside-midfield candidates. Hislop and Armitage are more Coughlan-type extractors which may or may not suit Wallace and the run-run-run campaign.
Guys like Pettard, Krakouer, Houlihan, Edwards are probably 10-15kg under a playing weight so risky.
Houli, Djerrkurra, Collard, Jetta, O'Brien are all 180cm or less and we aren't really a team that takes rovers early.
Okay, gotcha.
I know a Armitage player doesn't suit the run-run game, but do you think that he may help improve our middle who is one of the worst statistically (i.e. clearances)?
I think we need to improve our midfield. Despite our improvement it was (statistically at least) the worst in the league.
The clever clubs now realise that you should take inside midfielders early (unless the KP player is much much better). History tells us that KP players taken at 5, 30, 50 or on the rookie list are equally as likely to make the grade.
I would love to take a hard-at-it centre-square player but Hislop and Armitage (perhaps Connors) are probably the only obvious ones. And none really looks a match-winner type.
I don't believe in recruting specialst defenders early. There is very little difference between a FB who conceedes 4 goals and one who conceedes 2. There is a bigger difference between a 30-touch midfielder who creates goals and a 15 touch midfielder. Your fullback has the ball in his hands so rarely you can get away with a nuff-nuff if the midfield is up to scratch.
There will be late-round KP players available to give us defensive options. Mark Austin, Gavin Grose, Simon Plummer, Will Schofield, Colin Garland, Tom Collier, Jarryd Allan, Andrejs Everitt are likely to be available after 30. All are athletic defenders.
Ruckmen are normally a waste of a pick. Leuenberger is the exception. Unless you have a blue-chipper you may as well use the rookie list. Adam Pattison (pick 16) and probably still 2 years away from comanding a spot in the team on merit. Much better waiting for a ruckman next year when the class looks extremely strong.
Key forwards are tougher. Basically you want a blue-chipper or nothing. Load up a team with Kingsley, McCarthy, Lonergan, Mackie, Johnson, Gardiner, N.Ablett, Playfair like Geelong do and you can rotate them through but it doesn't help at all. You'd swap them all for Barry Hall. Gumbleton, Sellar and Hawkins are the chances in this draft - no point 'forcing' a pick and aquiring a heap of B-graders at the expense of strengthening the midfield.
Out of them, who do you rate the highest? Cheers.
Bentleigh
21 Nov 2006, 13:39
13. David Armitage - Richmond
U18 All-Australian, another quick, skilled midfielder who helped Queensland capture the division two title at the championships. Knows how to find the footy and courage cannot be questioned. Stocks on the rise after best agility test in the country at draft camp. Also finished top 10 in beep test and 3km time-trial. Should help feed the Tigers' outside running midfielders.
26. James Hawksley – Richmond
Doesn't have the same profile as many of the other highly-touted WA prospects but has a good combination of pace and height. Can be used on a wing or half-back flank, but more suited to a role in defense. Member of the 2005 AIS/AFL academy. Quite thin and will take time to develop, but could settle in as a small defender for the Tigers.
58. Tom Collier – Richmond. Tall defender, still very raw and will take time to develop, could be the long-term replacement for Darren Gaspar
60. Todd Pfeiffer – Richmond. Midfielder with huge wraps until a poor 2006 season damaged his draft stocks. However, his pace will fit perfectly into the Tigers’ rebounding and running style.
73. Daniel Currie - Richmond. Long-term ruck prospect, Tigers have time to wait for his development with Simmonds in career-best form.
http://www.footygoss.com.au/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=31333&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
I know a Armitage player doesn't suit the run-run game
even the best running team in the comp atm has one of the best inside mids of all time in west and another in cross who will be very good, pace means nothing if you cant get the ball in your hands
armitage/proud please
Deledio2Tambling
21 Nov 2006, 15:23
Jetta please. Must go best available at 13 and 26 for that matter.
Crumden
21 Nov 2006, 18:44
13. David Armitage - Richmond
U18 All-Australian, another quick, skilled midfielder who helped Queensland capture the division two title at the championships. Knows how to find the footy and courage cannot be questioned. Stocks on the rise after best agility test in the country at draft camp. Also finished top 10 in beep test and 3km time-trial. Should help feed the Tigers' outside running midfielders.
26. James Hawksley – Richmond
Doesn't have the same profile as many of the other highly-touted WA prospects but has a good combination of pace and height. Can be used on a wing or half-back flank, but more suited to a role in defense. Member of the 2005 AIS/AFL academy. Quite thin and will take time to develop, but could settle in as a small defender for the Tigers.
58. Tom Collier – Richmond. Tall defender, still very raw and will take time to develop, could be the long-term replacement for Darren Gaspar
60. Todd Pfeiffer – Richmond. Midfielder with huge wraps until a poor 2006 season damaged his draft stocks. However, his pace will fit perfectly into the Tigers’ rebounding and running style.
73. Daniel Currie - Richmond. Long-term ruck prospect, Tigers have time to wait for his development with Simmonds in career-best form.
http://www.footygoss.com.au/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=31333&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 Don't know much about the players, but the player-type for each pick looks about right.
(re Hawksley: I always thought half-back flank was a role in defense?)
Coughlan
21 Nov 2006, 19:06
13. David Armitage - Richmond
U18 All-Australian, another quick, skilled midfielder who helped Queensland capture the division two title at the championships. Knows how to find the footy and courage cannot be questioned. Stocks on the rise after best agility test in the country at draft camp. Also finished top 10 in beep test and 3km time-trial. Should help feed the Tigers' outside running midfielders.
26. James Hawksley – Richmond
Doesn't have the same profile as many of the other highly-touted WA prospects but has a good combination of pace and height. Can be used on a wing or half-back flank, but more suited to a role in defense. Member of the 2005 AIS/AFL academy. Quite thin and will take time to develop, but could settle in as a small defender for the Tigers.
58. Tom Collier – Richmond. Tall defender, still very raw and will take time to develop, could be the long-term replacement for Darren Gaspar
60. Todd Pfeiffer – Richmond. Midfielder with huge wraps until a poor 2006 season damaged his draft stocks. However, his pace will fit perfectly into the Tigers’ rebounding and running style.
73. Daniel Currie - Richmond. Long-term ruck prospect, Tigers have time to wait for his development with Simmonds in career-best form.
http://www.footygoss.com.au/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=31333&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
:thumbsu: would be a very happy man if this eventuated on tuesday
UpTheGuts
21 Nov 2006, 20:09
:thumbsu: would be a very happy man if this eventuated on tuesday
It's this Saturday Cogs - 10am.
For what it's worth (ie. next to nothing), I will live in hope of the following being selected by us come midday Saturday:
Proud
Boak
Garland
Schofield
Peterson
Ah well, you never know (then again that's what I generally say about my quaddie selections, with particularly limited success)
Calcium Man
23 Nov 2006, 12:01
Well according to the Burgatron list we will take
13. Ben Ried
26. Andrejs Everitt
58. Gary Moss
60. Jak Kennedy-hunt
73. Andrew Collins
With Frawley (Shudder) Connors and Everitt also likely at 13 and Urquhart and Connors also being lokked at 26.
UpTheGuts
24 Nov 2006, 12:56
don't like those selections. at all.
Bentleigh
24 Nov 2006, 19:01
don't like those selections. at all.
Nor I.
praying for armitage or even hislop
get one of these 2 and it would ease the pain of the other ordinary picks
Bentleigh
29 Nov 2006, 19:03
IMO Richmond can claim a reasonably solid outcome over the trading/drafting period. Upon reflection, and lots of homework; reading threads and general comments on our selections posted before the draft – the more comfortable I feel. Of course, every club is going to claim they are happy and got what they wanted but I think we have done some very decent work indeed.
I like the sound of Shane Edwards. Highly rated, quick, good tackle - tidy midfield/wing prospect. More than content pickling him up 2nd round. Played against men (SAnFL) and did well. Very much a ‘Wallace-type’ that should compliment our growing list of talented young players well.
Several phantoms drafts had Conners top 20, some even top 10 (the great, all knowing self appointed sage called Weaver had Conners #7). Pre-draft I wouldn’t have been unhappy to take with our first pick - #13 (ditto Boak, Armitage, O’Keefe, Hislop, Proud). To get him 60 odd (mid 4th round) is a steal. I’ve heard the ‘slow’ comments, but after watching the (youtube) footage of the lad he looks very smooth and poised, goes past players on the run without much problem. A genuine top rate inside/outside midfield talent. A major ‘tick’ and more than makes up for any perceived ‘mistake’ of taking Mr. Jack Reiwoldt with our first pick.
From a relatively weak position of 9th Miller has bought a good influx of talent into the side. The biggest weakness of the list has been the young KPP area; both Reiwoldt and Polak are both good young talents that bolster this area significantly and could be bookends (CHF/CHB) for over the next decade. Polak will be expected to hold down CHB and has the potential to be top shelf. I am chuffed, more so than they new draftees to have got Polak at the club. Best case scenario he becomes an A-Grade key forward. Potential forward line/spine set up (post-Richo) of Schultz (FF), Hughes (HFF), Reiwoldt (CHF) (with the like of Tambling, Meyer, Pettifer running around at their feet) – Thursfeild (FB), Polak (CHB) and Paddy Bowden in a back pocket. Quite solid considering the clubs first priority has been Deledio-model midfielders, young KPP having been a major weakness. Fingers crossed we steal Joel Perry (whom I rate) in the PSD.
On top of this another two genuine ‘Wallace-types’ (primary focus, more so than KPP) in Edwards & Conners to add to the like of JON, Meyer, Tamblng, Polo and co. Peterson, Collins and any further latter picks , Pre-season /rookie draft would be a bonus if they come good.
Jack Reiwoldt himself is an interesting kettle of fish. He’s copped a fair bit abuse from Richmond fans (despite having yet to start his first pre-season with the club). He’s a highly rated KPP – exactly what was needed, regardless of what his sir name is. He can play both ends (I remember Richmond fans crying out for a good young key back man) He has played well at CHB and organizes the defense impressively. That said he looks at home up forward. Best attributes by all accounts are his reading of the play and general football smarts, along with a sensational mark, especially in packs and above his head. Good size, decent pace, clean hands, good at the 1 on 1 contest. He was his teams BOG in finals. Believe it or not, I do think Millers claim of wanting Rewoldt at #8 was untrue, hence getting Polak for more or less ‘free’ was true. I remember Nathan Brown implying on the Gospel many moons ago we were after the kid and don’t be surprised if a Reiwoldt Punt Road.
Exciting times ahead with the players that have come into the side the last 4 seasons. Coming into Wallace’s 3rd-season the rebuilding of the club seems to going well on and off the field.
not over yet, psd and rookie spots are just as important
we need some big blokes and im not talking the lumbering knobel type
duckboy
29 Nov 2006, 21:04
not over yet, psd and rookie spots are just as important
we need some big blokes and im not talking the lumbering knobel type
One of the first sensible posts i've ever seen from you PLSC. Well done. :thumbsu:
duckboy
29 Nov 2006, 21:09
Several phantoms drafts had Conners top 20, some even top 10 (the great, all knowing self appointed sage called Weaver had Conners #7). Pre-draft I wouldn’t have been unhappy to take with our first pick - #13 (ditto Boak, Armitage, O’Keefe, Hislop, Proud). To get him 60 odd (mid 4th round) is a steal. I’ve heard the ‘slow’ comments, but after watching the (youtube) footage of the lad he looks very smooth and poised, goes past players on the run without much problem. A genuine top rate inside/outside midfield talent. A major ‘tick’ and more than makes up for any perceived ‘mistake’ of taking Mr. Jack Reiwoldt with our first pick.
See here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9weF2zgnueU
Looks very composed, with great hands.
Bentleigh
29 Nov 2006, 21:34
not over yet, psd and rookie spots are just as important
we need some big blokes and im not talking the lumbering knobel type
Of course, I was refering to what had happened thus far.
I look forward to the PSD/rookie draft.
Some good prospects left. Foley and Thursfeild proves you can get such as good prospects for the late picks than you can in the national draft.
Joel Perry in the PSD for xmas.
Richo83
29 Nov 2006, 21:47
Several phantoms drafts had Conners top 20, some even top 10 (the great, all knowing self appointed sage called Weaver had Conners #7). Pre-draft I wouldn’t have been unhappy to take with our first pick - #13 (ditto Boak, Armitage, O’Keefe, Hislop, Proud). To get him 60 odd (mid 4th round) is a steal. I’ve heard the ‘slow’ comments, but after watching the (youtube) footage of the lad he looks very smooth and poised, goes past players on the run without much problem. A genuine top rate inside/outside midfield talent. A major ‘tick’ and more than makes up for any perceived ‘mistake’ of taking Mr. Jack Reiwoldt with our first pick.
13. Travis Boak (Richmond).
Lets hope your wrong my boy.
:D Yes folks, this was the same player that was picked using pick 5 in the super-draft.
From a relatively weak position of 9th Miller has bought a good influx of talent into the side. The biggest weakness of the list has been the young KPP area; both Reiwoldt and Polak are both good young talents that bolster this area significantly and could be bookends (CHF/CHB) for over the next decade. Polak will be expected to hold down CHB and has the potential to be top shelf. I am chuffed, more so than they new draftees to have got Polak at the club. Best case scenario he becomes an A-Grade key forward. Potential forward line/spine set up (post-Richo) of Schultz (FF), Hughes (HFF), Reiwoldt (CHF) (with the like of Tambling, Meyer, Pettifer running around at their feet) – Thursfeild (FB), Polak (CHB) and Paddy Bowden in a back pocket. Quite solid considering the clubs first priority has been Deledio-model midfielders, young KPP having been a major weakness. Fingers crossed we steal Joel Perry (whom I rate) in the PSD.
Jack Reiwoldt himself is an interesting kettle of fish. He’s copped a fair bit abuse from Richmond fans (despite having yet to start his first pre-season with the club). He’s a highly rated KPP – exactly what was needed, regardless of what his sir name is. He can play both ends (I remember Richmond fans crying out for a good young key back man) He has played well at CHB and organizes the defense impressively. That said he looks at home up forward. Best attributes by all accounts are his reading of the play and general football smarts, along with a sensational mark, especially in packs and above his head. Good size, decent pace, clean hands, good at the 1 on 1 contest. He was his teams BOG in finals. Believe it or not, I do think Millers claim of wanting Rewoldt at #8 was untrue, hence getting Polak for more or less ‘free’ was true. I remember Nathan Brown implying on the Gospel many moons ago we were after the kid and don’t be surprised if a Reiwoldt Punt Road.
HA! :D You were leading the Anti-Riewoldt brigade!
Don't want Riewoldt with our first round pick. :thumbsd:
Remember that?
Bentleigh
29 Nov 2006, 21:54
:D Yes folks, this was the same player that was picked using pick 5 in the super-draft.
I was refering more to Hawksley.
Pretty hard to split the like of Proud, Boak, Hislop etc.
Even our man Connors.
HA! :D You were leading the Anti-Riewoldt brigade!
Remember that?
I havn't changed my thoughts on this at all.
Would have prefered Ben Reid or Eric McKenzie. With JR now at the club we might as well point out his strengths.
Richo83
29 Nov 2006, 22:12
Bent, you have moved from "Riewoldt would never be picked, he's not good enough" to "ooh, Riewoldt is very good, and will complement Schulz wonderfully in our forwardline."
:rolleyes:
Hypocrite. Read over the posts where I suggested Riewoldt should be taken and your scathing response (which happenned, oh I'm good) and read over that sycophantic bullShyt up top to see the about-face.
Bentleigh
12 Dec 2006, 17:13
Reiwoldt
Edwards
Connors
Peterson
Collins
Kingsley
Clingan
King
pretty dissapointing imo
as good as any of those players will ever be i cant see any ruckman or a KP defender from that lot
polak will be crucial
Bentleigh
13 Dec 2006, 09:46
Reiwoldt
Edwards
Connors
Peterson
Collins
Kingsley
Clingan
King
+ Polak
:cool:
pretty dissapointing imo
as good as any of those players will ever be i cant see any ruckman or a KP defender from that lot
polak will be crucial
Polak is the key defender.
Doesn't make sense forcing a pick on a C-grade ruckman just to have one. Better off gambling this year and getting a ruckman next year. Ben McEvoy, Tom Bellchambers, Matt Kreuzer are A-graders and Will Sullivan and Lachie Henderson also look good options. Could well be 6-8 good ruckmen available next year.
Bentleigh
13 Dec 2006, 22:51
bla bla bla
Whats your thoughts on young Reiwoldt after you have had time to cool downa bit?
Whats your thoughts on young Reiwoldt after you have had time to cool downa bit?
Offered my opinion based on what I have seen on the football field. Will continue to modify my opinion next time I see him on the football field.
He is a great kid, has leadership potential, bleeds footy, has some good footballing qualities ... couldn't win a foot race against the Grog Squad to the pie seller.
Polak is the key defender.
Doesn't make sense forcing a pick on a C-grade ruckman just to have one. Better off gambling this year and getting a ruckman next year. Ben McEvoy, Tom Bellchambers, Matt Kreuzer are A-graders and Will Sullivan and Lachie Henderson also look good options. Could well be 6-8 good ruckmen available next year.
yeh i was talking about the draftees, i mentioned polak anyway if you missed it :rolleyes:
yeh fine get those ruckman next year but they need time to develop so the earlier you can get them the better
wouldnt mind goldstein or tippet
yeh i was talking about the draftees, i mentioned polak anyway if you missed it :rolleyes:
yeh fine get those ruckman next year but they need time to develop so the earlier you can get them the better
wouldnt mind goldstein or tippet
I'd rate all 5 of the guys I mentioned as better prospects than Goldstein and Tippett. Kreuzer and McEvoy would have forced their way into the top-10 even in the strong draft we have just had. I think Kreuzer will be number 1 next year.
... couldn't win a foot race against the Grog Squad to the pie seller.
:D Would anyone win that race? A pie is pretty attractive after a few beers. ;)