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If Australia decided to play 5 bowlers which Australian batsman would be left out????
I say Damian Martyn only because there would be less reshuffiling in the batting order ie Gilchrist and the bowlers would bat 1 position higher than normal.
Bomber Spirit
2 Jan 2002, 19:14
I'd vote for Martyn as well for the same reason. But he'd have to be unlucky - it wasn't that long ago he made a century.
Don't know what it is this summer. Huge opening partnerships but then the middle order falls away. Possibly complacency - I was at the 3rd day at the MCG and some of the shots were undisciplined.
But, except for the 2nd day in Perth, the bowlers have done a good job this summer. I can't see why the Aussies would play an extra bowler.
The Hippie
2 Jan 2002, 21:19
I really can't see the need for Australia to play five bowlers, it's pretty balanced as it is. On a seaming wicket, with McGrath, Gillespie and Lee, plus Warne as the spinner, that attack would beat most sides in the world at the moment.
You can't expect the openers to get a double century partnership every innings. It would be nice, but unreasonable to expect. And sure as sh*t, the one time you have left out a batsman, is the time everyone picks to all fail together.
Had to go with Martyn, Langer and Hayden are in awesome form, S Waugh is the captain and Ponting and M Waugh are all class. Not belittling DM, he is a fine batsmen, just the logical choice.
eagleskickass
3 Jan 2002, 00:31
Well I am going against what everyone has said(not voted).
I am all for dropping the player who is most out of form, and at the moment that is definately Ponting.
Martyn(i can't help being a LITTLE bias) has really done well and is scoring much better, and more freely than punter and although punter is great, maybe being dropped would have done him good(look at langer;)).
Bit i don't think we need 5 bowlers anyway
The rumour was,when they were toying with the idea of playing 5 bowlers in Adelaide,that Steve Waugh may be the one to go. Now that would have been a story!
Its a hard call the Waugh brothers are the only batsman to have not made 100s this summer, but Steve has a 90 and Mark an 80 and 70.
It is a bit hard to say Ponting is out of form because he has twice been run out by Langer just as he was getting started.
I agree with you though Hippie that there isn't really any need to play the five bowlers when you are winning easily anyway.
Originally posted by blueworms
I say Damian Martyn only because there would be less reshuffiling in the batting order ie Gilchrist and the bowlers would bat 1 position higher than normal.
So going by your method, you would keep out of form batsmen in the squad for in form batsmen just because the in form batsmen bats lower than the out of form batsmen? Martyn has being playing very well and lmao, there are three other batsmen that should be dropped before he gets dropped.
Originally posted by Visro
So going by your method, you would keep out of form batsmen in the squad for in form batsmen just because the in form batsmen bats lower than the out of form batsmen? Martyn has being playing very well and lmao, there are three other batsmen that should be dropped before he gets dropped.
In a sence your right but i think none of the batsmen are currently in to bad out a form. Ponting has been ran out twice and the pressure has been off due to the opening partnerships. And remember he scored 157* just a month ago. The waugh brothers well its a tough call to drop one of them. Steves the captain and inspiration and Marks the best catcher fielder.
And if u were to drop Ponting who would bat at 3. Martyn???? Waugh. This would be inconvenient and may distrupt the overall flow of the team.
BTW i am a big fan of Martyn
The_Flying_Egg
3 Jan 2002, 12:51
Ricky Ponting. Martyn's on fire
GoEagles
3 Jan 2002, 16:14
Mark Waugh for me too. Martyn is in the best form of his career so you would be crazy to drop him. Although Mark Waugh is a champion, excellent fielder, handy bowler out of the batters he was the only one I could go with.
eagleskickass
3 Jan 2002, 16:27
Originally posted by blueworms
Marks the best catcher fielder.
And if u were to drop Ponting who would bat at 3. Martyn???? Waugh. This would be inconvenient and may distrupt the overall flow of the team.
Ok, one thing my Dad and I have been thinking about.
What is Mark Waugh in the team for?
I'll tell you, he's a batsmen. He isn't playing because he is a great fielder, which he is, he is playing to score runs.
Now NO WAy should selectors Drop a IN FORM PLAYER(who happened to score a century today;)) and keep a player in JUSt cause he fields well, its just ilogical.
ALSO, it has been said many times Gilchrist could bat anywhere really, so if say punter or waugh were dropped, Gilly could easily fill the void.
I still don't think we needed 5 anyway, so i'm glad we didn't go with 5.
eagleskickass
3 Jan 2002, 16:29
i also agree with Vis
Dropping a player that is in form JUST because they bat further down the order and so cause les reshuffling is CRAZY
Martyn is not a #6 batsmen, he is a batsmen, so if a player higher up the order was dropped, i'm sure he could be moved up there and do just fine;)
Bomber Spirit
3 Jan 2002, 16:51
Originally posted by Bomber Spirit, who is so egocentric he quotes his own posts and then refers to himself in the third person.
I'd vote for Martyn as well for the same reason.
And as soon as he posts that, Martyn scores a century. Good thing the Australians are playing 6 batsmen;)
At the moment, Ponting or Mark Waugh would be the casualties.... most likely Ponting though
Great century by Damien Martyn :D
They'd be crazy to drop Martyn, even before this innings.
The bloke just oozes class & has been in great form in the last year.
For me it would be Mark Waugh then Ponting.
Personally I don't think Ponting has done as well as his seemingly great reputation in Asutralia deserves whilst Martyn seems if anything to be underated.
dogboy23
4 Jan 2002, 07:02
Why the hell would we want to play 5 bowlers?It hasnt done SA any favours using that method.Ponting wouild be first in line although I think he is hitting the ball aswell as anyone his head is still not in the right place.He seems to think he has to play a shot at every ball and that the shot must look pretty.To me it comes down to his technique his backlift is just to big.M.Waughs form is no worse than it has been for his whole career you guys are only noticing it now because you want to drop someone.
The Hippie
4 Jan 2002, 10:56
Pretty harsh calls on Ponting, some of you. He's actually been middling the ball very well, he had a lot of bad luck this summer.
He's been run out twice, both times risky calls by his partner (bloody Langer ;) ), got that brute of a ball in Melbourne that would have got 90% of batsmen out, and he's been in situations earlier in the year where Australia's had to chase quick runs to push for results and he's had to come out playing shots from the start. There's always a good chance you'll get out early in that position.
Having said all that, dogboy has a good point about his backlift, I think I said something along the same lines not long ago. It's not a technique suited to a No.3 batsman. I reckon he should be playing as a 4 or 5 batsman after the Waughs retire. Martyn is the man I think should be batting at 3.
He'll come good though, don't worry. And will be around for a long time.
Originally posted by The Hippie
Pretty harsh calls on Ponting, some of you. He's actually been middling the ball very well, he had a lot of bad luck this summer.
He's been run out twice, both times risky calls by his partner (bloody Langer ;) ), got that brute of a ball in Melbourne that would have got 90% of batsmen out, and he's been in situations earlier in the year where Australia's had to chase quick runs to push for results and he's had to come out playing shots from the start. There's always a good chance you'll get out early in that position.
Having said all that, dogboy has a good point about his backlift, I think I said something along the same lines not long ago. It's not a technique suited to a No.3 batsman. I reckon he should be playing as a 4 or 5 batsman after the Waughs retire. Martyn is the man I think should be batting at 3.
He'll come good though, don't worry. And will be around for a long time.
I have a bit of a doubt over Martyn at 3. Sure his done it for WA but i prefer him at 6 because he's one of if not the best batsmen in the world to bat with the tail. If he could be proven at 3 longterm then yeah drop Ponting or Waugh
eagleskickass
6 Jan 2002, 15:06
Originally posted by blueworms
I have a bit of a doubt over Martyn at 3. Sure his done it for WA but i prefer him at 6 because he's one of if not the best batsmen in the world to bat with the tail. If he could be proven at 3 longterm then yeah drop Ponting or Waugh
He can only prove himself at 3 if he is given a go there;)
I mean, he still could very well get to bat with the tail, if he's good enough:D
Maybe swap him with ponting, #6 might suit punter, for now till the waughs retire
Originally posted by eagleskickass
I am all for dropping the player who is most out of form, and at the moment that is definately Ponting.
Martyn(i can't help being a LITTLE bias) has really done well and is scoring much better, and more freely than punter and although punter is great, maybe being dropped would have done him good(look at langer;)).
I have to agree completely here. Ponting would be my choice, just to fire him up a lil bit.
SeinDude
11 Jan 2002, 09:23
The problem is we shouldn't be looking at it like "dropping" the player. The "horses for courses" policy is like rotating, or picking players depending on the conditions.
For example, Andy Bichel was not really "dropped" for his form in the 3rd test. The selectors decided to go with 2 spinners and therefore Bichel had to miss out, but it wasn't anything to do with form.
SeinDude
Fat Red
11 Jan 2002, 12:21
Mark Waugh. And I agree Ponting shouldn't be batting at 3, but I don't think any of the 3 below him are right for that spot either.