View Full Version : not a joke anymore, sheeds gotta go
rioli brownlow
14 May 2006, 17:57
things have to be changed and first thing is that sheeds has done his time, give garry o'donnell a go,
last straw was today!
what was he thinking putting that dud reynolds on fevola, why would he do that? there is no way that he was the 2nd option if fletcher wasn't there! why wouldn't he go with mcphee,lovett-murray or soloman. this guy has really lost the plol. james hird should also give it away, why you ask? cause why should he have to put up with this display, let him go out with some dignity please.
red+black
14 May 2006, 18:04
Oh here we go :rolleyes:
Next you're going to say that Solomon is out of form and ahould be dropped.
And that Essendon were justified to let Blumfield go.
When will the insanity end?
bomber_dave
14 May 2006, 18:18
I totally agree with rioli brownlow!
Reynolds hadn't played a senior match since round 6 2005, plays on fevola!
The worst move in the history of Essendon
things have to be changed and first thing is that sheeds has done his time, give garry o'donnell a go,
last straw was today!
what was he thinking putting that dud reynolds on fevola, why would he do that? there is no way that he was the 2nd option if fletcher wasn't there! why wouldn't he go with mcphee,lovett-murray or soloman. this guy has really lost the plol. james hird should also give it away, why you ask? cause why should he have to put up with this display, let him go out with some dignity please.
Big question marks on Sheedy, ill admit to looking at assistant coaches recently as a worse case scenario but Hirdy is all heart, win or lose!
He puts up with this display 'cos he IS red n black.
By right, he shouldve given it away when he had his face smashed in, but as we ALL know, Hird is the cement in our crumbling brick wall right now.
Im hoping he goes on for one more season with a fit side. Give the kids full reign in the centre and let him do everything he DOES in the forward 50
Imagine Lloyd, Lucas and Hird in our forward 50 :rolleyes:
Sam the RAMA fan
14 May 2006, 18:40
I totally agree with rioli brownlow!
Reynolds hadn't played a senior match since round 6 2005, plays on fevola!
The worst move in the history of Essendon
AGREE!!
$hit decision...
What were they thinking?!
Pretty stupid...
not making excuses,but I thought the same thing...
things have to be changed and first thing is that sheeds has done his time, give garry o'donnell a go,
last straw was today!
what was he thinking putting that dud reynolds on fevola, why would he do that? there is no way that he was the 2nd option if fletcher wasn't there! why wouldn't he go with mcphee,lovett-murray or soloman. this guy has really lost the plol. james hird should also give it away, why you ask? cause why should he have to put up with this display, let him go out with some dignity please.
Sheeds cant win can he, everyone says he should give the kids a go and when he does he still gets bagged. I am no Reynolds fan , i dont think he is up to it , but he was the match up for Fev. Solly too slow and out of form. McPhee needs to be played at half back where he is best suited and not at full back and Lovett-Murray had his hands full with other Carlton forwards let alone Fev. It was a no win situation. No one lese would have done any better.
mikeula
14 May 2006, 19:03
Sheeds cant win can he, everyone says he should give the kids a go and when he does he still gets bagged. I am no Reynolds fan , i dont think he is up to it , but he was the match up for Fev. Solly too slow and out of form. McPhee needs to be played at half back where he is best suited and not at full back and Lovett-Murray had his hands full with other Carlton forwards let alone Fev. It was a no win situation. No one lese would have done any better.
No way was he the best match up for Fevola.
Maybe it was worth a try but that experiment should have ended at Half time.
To leave him there all game was a joke. Like Clarkson with Dawson.
totally agree. what have we got to gain bye signing sheedy up again. we have to make a decision now. either sign him up again or move him on and let o'donnell coach the rest of the season and give hime a chance to look at the list and work out who really deserves to stay at our club.
also john quinn must be responsible for all the hamstring injuries we have. he is the bloke who gives us our fitness regime and preperation and the amount of injuries we have is unexeptable. he has to be held responsible.
also jimmy hird should have the rest of the season off, go on a holiday do what ever and come back and have 1 more go next season. he deserves alot better than playing in this team at the moment.
No way was he the best match up for Fevola.
Maybe it was worth a try but that experiment should have ended at Half time.
To leave him there all game was a joke. Like Clarkson with Dawson.
Well who should have been on him? at least i explianed my reasoning rather than simply saying he wasnt the best match up and leaving it that. There was no way Solly was going to match him for pace. NLM had a bit of a dirty day anyway. Kep is too slow for him as well .McPhhe at FB doesnt work for me so who else was going to play there?
What does calling for changes now do anyway . Sheedy is signed next year as it is. The fact reamins that any stupid knee jerk reactions wont change a thing. It wont get the form back for a few of our senior guys. It wont change the fact that Pev, Reynolds and Bolts are not up to it. It wont change the fact that Kep is really struggling and the fact that Welsh puts his team mates under pressure everytime he gets the ball.
All i hope is that all the suppoorters who have only enjoyed the good years show some sort of patience because you simply can not finish in the top half all the time.
Longy413
14 May 2006, 19:20
Fevola would have kicked 5 on Fletcher today.
He got great delivery from the midfield, Joel got no help.
When you talk about sacking Sheedy, please have a look on the ladder and realise that we are now paying for being successful and we aren't the only ones. Sydney aside, the last six Premierships are shared by the bottom four sides. Losing and losing like that isn't acceptable. But we are rebuilding, why not let the man who has a proven track record in rebuilding sides and probably one of the greatest of the last 20 years, do the job.
The only way to return to the top is to stick together. Falling apart at the seams won't help.
Gunnar Longshanks
14 May 2006, 19:21
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4337093&postcount=7
You didn't want to hear it then.
Now it's all Sheedy's fault.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4337093&postcount=7
You didn't want to hear it then.
Now it's all Sheedy's fault.
Must get tiring pumpimg up your own tyres all the time. Big deal. I didnt tip us to make the eight last year . This season i tipped between 10 to 13 wins which looks wrong now but at no time was i under any illusions that we where really going to struggle simply because our middle tier players are made up of Bolton, Heneman,Winderlich and co who simply havnt done enough.
Longy413
14 May 2006, 19:28
You are still wrong turbo.
Our bottom 10 isn't letting us down. It's our senior players. Now run away and play on the freeway.
mikeula
14 May 2006, 19:34
Well who should have been on him? at least i explianed my reasoning rather than simply saying he wasnt the best match up and leaving it that. There was no way Solly was going to match him for pace. NLM had a bit of a dirty day anyway. Kep is too slow for him as well .McPhhe at FB doesnt work for me so who else was going to play there?
Would have put McPhee on him. He did well on Richo last week. Anyone could see Fevola was going to be the player who broke our backs and he did with 3 in the second quarter.
Possibly Solomon was too slow but could have been tried. Might have been good for him to have just the task of stopping Fevola. He was useless anywhere else as it is.
Playing Reynolds on him was wrong due to the fact he has no confidence as it is. It will be lower now if that is possible. As i said ok to try but not for the whole game.
things have to be changed and first thing is that sheeds has done his time, give garry o'donnell a go,
last straw was today!
what was he thinking putting that dud reynolds on fevola, why would he do that? there is no way that he was the 2nd option if fletcher wasn't there! why wouldn't he go with mcphee,lovett-murray or soloman. this guy has really lost the plol. james hird should also give it away, why you ask? cause why should he have to put up with this display, let him go out with some dignity please.
Rioli Brownlow you are an absolute idiot!
get off sheedy's back you tool. bet you werent complaining in the good times. and i bet you wont be complaining in the next few years when these young players along with sheedy take us to the finals and maybe even a flag. stop being a front runner and deal with the fact we arent having a good season!
dont even bother posting in the essendon section any more, becuase your a disgrace to all essendon supporters!
Might i add the players missing from our side today
Lloyd
Fletcher
Rioli
Hird(only 4p's then. ping!)
Rama
McVeigh
Campo
Get your act together you sour 'supporter'...and actually start supporting this great football club, and stop jumping on the back of an out of form team. Its not like we have been out of the finals for the past 10 years...we have missed the finals only 5 times in sheedys time at the club. If that isnt good enough why dont you go hang yourself you looser...go support the Western Bulldogs, St.Kilda or Geelong who have had limited sucess! If being the most sucessful club ever isnt good enough for you i dont know what is.
babydoll
14 May 2006, 20:11
Rioli Brownlow you are an absolute idiot!
get off sheedy's back you tool. bet you werent complaining in the good times. and i bet you wont be complaining in the next few years when these young players along with sheedy take us to the finals and maybe even a flag. stop being a front runner and deal with the fact we arent having a good season!
dont even bother posting in the essendon section any more, becuase your a disgrace to all essendon supporters!
Might i add the players missing from our side today
Lloyd
Fletcher
Rioli
Hird(only 4p's then. ping!)
Rama
McVeigh
Campo
Get your act together you sour 'supporter'...and actually start supporting this great football club, and stop jumping on the back of an out of form team. Its not like we have been out of the finals for the past 10 years...we have missed the finals only 5 times in sheedys time at the club. If that isnt good enough why dont you go hang yourself you looser...go support the Western Bulldogs, St.Kilda or Geelong who have had limited sucess! If being the most sucessful club ever isnt good enough for you i dont know what is.
NO - YOU ARE THE TOOL. I can't believe the number of unrealistic f00kers are there. Face it, we know lloyd will not play. Fletcher is a loss granted. Rioli would not have made any impact. Hird gets injured part of parecl of this game, Rama will never play AFL again, Mcviegh and Campo arent going to turn around 33 pts. What was disappointing is that it just reaffrimed what a shyte team we have. Close losses have been to shytehouse teams and I suspect in the next 4 weeks our percentgae will get torPed down. Face it, we have an ordinary list and for all these bombers supporters out there that says we have good young players, well sorry to offend so has every other frickin team. The difference between us and the better teams is that the better teams have a 5-10 senior players who are playing well. We have 2 or 3 at best - that is why we are losing.
I'M SICK OF ALL THESE EXCUSES RE: INJURIES. INJURIES DO NOT DETERMINE PI$$WEAK RESULTS LIKE THIS!!!!
Longy413
14 May 2006, 20:16
Mcviegh and Campo arent going to turn around 33 pts.
No excuses, but I wouldn't be so sure about that. McVeigh hasn't been beaten this year. He could very well have shut down someone like Scotland or Stevens who really hurt us. Who knows what that is worth. The other thing Campo and McVeigh add is good foot skills, something we really lacked today.
We definately would have been a better side today if those two played.
Deadly Hedley
14 May 2006, 20:17
Not all doom and gloom. Youngsters need games under thier belts and this is looking like the time to do it. Watson, Lovett, N.L.M, Stants, Dyson,Laycock, Ryder ect' give em key roles for the rest of the year and the benifits shall be reaped soon. As far as Reynolds on Fevola, its done, its gone and Reynolds wasnt up to it. Can anybody tell me how Lee is progressing ,as given our matchup options today I thought if he was close, that today would have been the day to see where he is at .
NO - YOU ARE THE TOOL. I can't believe the number of unrealistic f00kers are there. Face it, we know lloyd will not play. Fletcher is a loss granted. Rioli would not have made any impact. Hird gets injured part of parecl of this game, Rama will never play AFL again, Mcviegh and Campo arent going to turn around 33 pts. What was disappointing is that it just reaffrimed what a shyte team we have. Close losses have been to shytehouse teams and I suspect in the next 4 weeks our percentgae will get torPed down. Face it, we have an ordinary list and for all these bombers supporters out there that says we have good young players, well sorry to offend so has every other frickin team. The difference between us and the better teams is that the better teams have a 5-10 senior players who are playing well. We have 2 or 3 at best - that is why we are losing.
I'M SICK OF ALL THESE EXCUSES RE: INJURIES. INJURIES DO NOT DETERMINE PI$$WEAK RESULTS LIKE THIS!!!!
Injuries f&*?ing can actually, how can Collingwood go from 2nd last to second?
So Rioli, McVeigh, Campo and Hirdy wouldn't have helped?
babydoll
14 May 2006, 20:35
Injuries f&*?ing can actually, how can Collingwood go from 2nd last to second?
So Rioli, McVeigh, Campo and Hirdy wouldn't have helped?
one team I can think of is Adelaide. Had 5 of their bets out last week and still whooped the oppositon.
one team I can think of is Adelaide. Had 5 of their bets out last week and still whooped the oppositon.
Ok good, that's one team where injuries may not be a factor
We were absolutely horrible today the way we handled the footy today, but it's not time to pi$$ Sheedy and drop most of our veterans
NO - YOU ARE THE TOOL. I can't believe the number of unrealistic f00kers are there. Face it, we know lloyd will not play. Fletcher is a loss granted. Rioli would not have made any impact. Hird gets injured part of parecl of this game, Rama will never play AFL again, Mcviegh and Campo arent going to turn around 33 pts. What was disappointing is that it just reaffrimed what a shyte team we have. Close losses have been to shytehouse teams and I suspect in the next 4 weeks our percentgae will get torPed down. Face it, we have an ordinary list and for all these bombers supporters out there that says we have good young players, well sorry to offend so has every other frickin team. The difference between us and the better teams is that the better teams have a 5-10 senior players who are playing well. We have 2 or 3 at best - that is why we are losing.
I'M SICK OF ALL THESE EXCUSES RE: INJURIES. INJURIES DO NOT DETERMINE PI$$WEAK RESULTS LIKE THIS!!!!
HEY C0KHEAD!
My argument wasnt that we lost becuase of injuries....my argument was that we shouldnt be sacking sheedy because of 1 bad season...if you bothered to read my post properly you would have noticed that you Fk head!
and injuries do make a differnce..and to say rioli woulnt make a difference is absolute crap. Read sheedy's interview and what he says about rioli..it is all true, he gives us 2-3 goals more every time he plays, doesnt matter how fit he is, he still gets the ball and does good things with it.
SO GO FK YOURSELF YOU :D:D:D:DR!
Antonius
14 May 2006, 20:47
one team I can think of is Adelaide. Had 5 of their bets out last week and still whooped the oppositon.
Yeah you're exactly right.
Collingwood's change in form this year has been due to having a good pre-season rather than injured players coming back. In 2004 they had a period of a few weeks where they had their best team out there but still got caned.
Champs wear da No.16
14 May 2006, 20:54
HEY C0KHEAD!
My argument wasnt that we lost becuase of injuries....my argument was that we shouldnt be sacking sheedy because of 1 bad season...if you bothered to read my post properly you would have noticed that you Fk head!
and injuries do make a differnce..and to say rioli woulnt make a difference is absolute crap. Read sheedy's interview and what he says about rioli..it is all true, he gives us 2-3 goals more every time he plays, doesnt matter how fit he is, he still gets the ball and does good things with it.
SO GO FK YOURSELF YOU :D:D:D:DR!
now look here u idiot sheedy has to go, he has been coaching for to long and his time is up. get some1 with new ideas and a fresh way of thinking.
the key is to promote jolley from the rookie list!!!!!!
d-mac3276
14 May 2006, 20:55
lets just face it everybody bags their team when they are going bad and praising em when they r going good so there is nothing wrong with us giving em a bit of stick as we r the supporters who pay a good dollar to c em play insipid, unaccountable, non comitted football, yes we are a young side rebuilding but there is no excuse for the lack of determination and skill they have been showing not being to hit a target whilst not under pressure and panicking every time they have the ball, i will however praise only 4 guys so far this year they being jobe watson, david hille, brent stanton and nathan lovett-murray as 4 the rest very bloody ordinary, as someone said earlier in this post its time 4 hirdy to go out with some dignity he doesn't deserve to go thru this deplorable display of footy we r putting out there and 4 sheeds well lets not go there im starting to think he is the martian with some of his moves what is wrong with the man
now look here u idiot sheedy has to go, he has been coaching for to long and his time is up. get some1 with new ideas and a fresh way of thinking.
the key is to promote jolley from the rookie list!!!!!!
this guy must be sucking big massive penile...what a fag...can anyone name a champ who wears the no.16? who is this guy? must rate himself pretty highly
Longy413
14 May 2006, 21:02
the key is to promote jolley from the rookie list!!!!!!
Yep, Benny Jolley is the key to Essendon winning another flag.
lets just face it everybody bags their team when they are going bad and praising em when they r going good so there is nothing wrong with us giving em a bit of stick as we r the supporters who pay a good dollar to c em play insipid, unaccountable, non comitted football
See thats where the problem is, you have to deal with the bad times. You act as if they are your property..' as you pay a good dollar to watch them' if its that much of an issue to you dont go and watch them. I'll tell you now the most exciting thing about watching this team over the next few years will be when they beat teams that they arent really suppose to beat, or when the young players stand up when we are up against it and win us a game, thats what the game is all about, its not about your dollar....you pay to go watch a game of football. one team will always walk away loosing.
See thats where the problem is, you have to deal with the bad times. You act as if they are your property..' as you pay a good dollar to watch them' if its that much of an issue to you dont go and watch them. I'll tell you now the most exciting thing about watching this team over the next few years will be when they beat teams that they arent really suppose to beat, or when the young players stand up when we are up against it and win us a game, thats what the game is all about, its not about your dollar....you pay to go watch a game of football. one team will always walk away loosing.
Exactly ....... that's why we gotta turn up on Sunday and keep getting behind the boys.
What does calling for changes now do anyway . Sheedy is signed next year as it is.
i was under the impression that his contract ended at the end of the season. i stand to be corected if i am wrong. my opinion is if he is signed next season then there is no need to scream for a change as it wont happen. but if he is not signed on for next year either sign him on now or move on and give the job to o'donnell for the rest of the season. there is no point sheedy coaching out the rest of the season if they are not willing to continue with him. the club should already know what they want to do.
I think the club is confident Sheedy has a plan in place, let's just hope it's a good one and let him go through with it
Exactly ....... that's why we gotta turn up on Sunday and keep getting behind the boys.
THIS HERE IS A FKN TRUE RED AND BLACK ESSENDON SUPPORTER.....WHY CANT THE REST OF YOU FRONT RUNNERS BE LIKE THAT
GET TO THE DOME ON SUNDAY AND WATCH US BEAT THE EAGLES!
THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THSOE GAMES WHERE YOU SEE WHAT THESE KIDS CAN DO
While we are struggling, you dont coach 25 years of AFL football and not have the ability to get a side out of a rut. while we have never been 1-6, this isnt the worst football we have played in recent years. In fact there have been more promising signs this year than last, even if its not getting on the scoreboard. so stick with sheeds, we have had faith in him for a quarter of a bloody decade and he has pulled through so i dont think now is the time to give up on him.
d-mac3276
14 May 2006, 21:46
See thats where the problem is, you have to deal with the bad times. You act as if they are your property..' as you pay a good dollar to watch them' if its that much of an issue to you dont go and watch them. I'll tell you now the most exciting thing about watching this team over the next few years will be when they beat teams that they arent really suppose to beat, or when the young players stand up when we are up against it and win us a game, thats what the game is all about, its not about your dollar....you pay to go watch a game of football. one team will always walk away loosing. all i said is that why shouldn't we give em a bit of stick for the way they're playing yeah its all good when we are winning but u can't seriously tell me that we aren't playing s h i t footy at the moment so when we do play some good footy then i will praise them but if u haven't been watching over the last few weeks we have been nothing less than a disgrace the skill and lack of spirit ain't upto afl standard, we seem to play better and actually try against the better sides but when we come up against sides we should beat we go to water not good enough in my opinion and thats what it is an opinion
Nuts4Bolts
14 May 2006, 21:47
[quote=mikeula
Playing Reynolds on him was wrong due to the fact he has no confidence as it is. It will be lower now if that is possible. As i said ok to try but not for the whole game.[/quote]
The fact Sheedy gave Reynolds the job and stuck with him might just give Reynolds some confidence. I'd imagine it would be good to know the coach has you in his plans.
bmwofoz
14 May 2006, 21:55
For a minute I was thinking I was in the Richmond Thread.
We all knew at the start of the season, that we had a young side, which would get better as the year went on, now this was also presumed to be helped by the senior players making a major contribution.
Fact 1 We have lost 2 Games by less than a Kick.
Fact 2 We have had Injuries to key players
Fact 3 Other senior Players have been very disappointing
Fact 4 We are 1-6
Fact 5 We are faced with a horrible Month ahead, but guess what, a month ago we all thought this month just gone would be good for us
Fact 6 Changing the Coach isn't going to save our season
Fact 7 We need to back our club
Fact 8 Keep a list of all other Club supporters who give cheek, for one day we will be returning to the top
we aren't playing s h i t footy at the moment so when we do play some good footy then i will praise them but if u haven't been watching over the last few weeks we have been nothing less than a disgrace the skill and lack of spirit ain't upto afl standard,
disgraceful?....we have a average loosing margin of 13points....hardly
lack of spirit?... down by 17 Vs richmond in the 4thQ then hit the front
theres no doubt we have been making a few mistakes in going forward, but thats going to happen when you are lacking confidence.
red+black
15 May 2006, 00:08
The fact is, Sheedy must go. Not now, not at the end of the year, but at the end of his current contract. What justification will there be mid next year to offer him yet another three year contract? Someone higher up in the club needs to have some balls and say thanks for the good times, but your services are no longer required.
2005 was the worst year under Sheedy (8-14).
2006 will be a worse year than 2005 (I thought 7 wins, but I'm predicting 5 now).
I have been saying for some time that we will not make finals in 2007. So, three years out of finals will be our worst stretch under Sheedy.
We are 1-6 and it's possible/likely we will be 1-10. The current six consecutive losses is the equal worst stretch under Sheedy, a loss to West Coast will "better" that. Ten consecutive losses would be the equal 2nd worst streak in the history of the club.
Sheedy says in the Hun today he wants a 5th flag, everyone knows that, all supercoaches have 5+ flags. The fact is, he won't get it with Essendon. I don't want the same coach for 35-40 years. We hear about players not being bigger than the club, the same should apply to coaches. Sheedy is on record as saying if we don't keep him on, he will look to coach another AFL club. It's all about that elusive 5th flag. Letting him go won't stop him from striving for his ambition.
I'd say Carlton are still odds on to win the spoon, but there's a chance we could get it. A wooden spoon should end any speculation to the possibility of a new contract.
And yes, I support the club, I support most of the players, good riddance we dumped Blumfield, and Solomon needs to be dropped for a few games. I just don't support a coach for 35-40 years.
Greg Miller= Messiah
15 May 2006, 00:09
[quote=bmwofoz]For a minute I was thinking I was in the Richmond Thread.
:-)
Longy413
15 May 2006, 00:11
Just as well you edited your post, because your first crack at it was pretty crap.
Miggles!!!
15 May 2006, 00:11
For a minute I was thinking I was in the Richmond Thread.
We all knew at the start of the season, that we had a young side, which would get better as the year went on, now this was also presumed to be helped by the senior players making a major contribution.
Fact 1 We have lost 2 Games by less than a Kick.
Fact 2 We have had Injuries to key players
Fact 3 Other senior Players have been very disappointing
Fact 4 We are 1-6
Fact 5 We are faced with a horrible Month ahead, but guess what, a month ago we all thought this month just gone would be good for us
Fact 6 Changing the Coach isn't going to save our season
Fact 7 We need to back our club
Fact 8 Keep a list of all other Club supporters who give cheek, for one day we will be returning to the top
Fact: out of the six teams you have lost to none of them made the top 8 last year.
Fact: you are yet to play- Adelaide, Geelong, Melbourne, St Kilda, Fremantle, West Coast (all with mabye the exception of Fremantle top 8 material this year)
Fact: You have only travelled once this year to Brisbane and still have trips to Adelaide, Sydney and Perth to look forward to
Fact: Up until today the only serious injuries u had were to Lloyd and Courtney Johns
Fact: It is fine to say your rebuilding now and just having a bad year but at the start of the year the goal of the club was to play finals as shown through recruiting Camporeale and Hennerman
Fact: Congratulations in playing ure kids now but at other clubs young players would have been given a better run already. Sheedy brings them in for one week then immediatly takes them out again. They should have about 50 games under their belt coming into this season.
Fact: There is really no excuse losing to Carlton or Richmond
Miggles!!!
15 May 2006, 00:14
Just as well you edited your post, because your first crack at it was pretty crap.
Sorry didnt realised my brother signed in dont want to get him banned too lol :D
Longy413
15 May 2006, 00:17
You had a chance and still went ahead and posted it.
djharps
15 May 2006, 00:31
u loose to richmond carlton and hawthorn.. u no were u are at... nothing against these teams but in the last 10 years there has never been a time where more that one of those teams at one time were/are good... atm it is the same case... we just got spanked by the worst team... so that makes us the worst... yes i have red and black blood and im admitting WE ARE THE WORST SIDE IN THE COMP! we might pull off a few wins and STILL might come 14 15th but this boy says we are 16th material... hmm the ladder looks mighty high from DOWN here.. so this is what a hawks/tigers/blues supporter feels like!
CjohnsRun
15 May 2006, 11:06
We are missing a Target up Forward. No Lloyd massive loss ( i think everyone knows this) Who plays FF?? Also on the brightside good year to be playing like crap if you want to talk about rebuilding. Best Draft since 2001. and now adelaide has no ties to Bryce Gibbs. Not saying should start throwin games but out of 25 years with sheedy as coach decent time to lose, (if there is such a thing). and as mentioned before apart from Sydney last 6 premierships are held by bottom 4 teams. Isn't this why the AFL so popular because no teams dominate too long. Even Competition drives the AFL and unfortunately we are now feeling the strain of successes we have had in the last decade. JUst have to support the team that has given us so much to support.
djharps
15 May 2006, 11:53
and one those teams won 3.... nice try.... if 6 seperate teams won the flag and were in the bottom eight id be agreeing... nice try ha
Longy413
15 May 2006, 11:55
and one those teams won 3.... nice try.... if 6 seperate teams won the flag and were in the bottom eight id be agreeing... nice try ha
Why does it make a difference?
The four sides that won Premierships between 1999 and 2004 are all in the bottom four. That's not to say I'm accepting of this position, but what is happening is exactly what the AFL wanted.
Philzsay
15 May 2006, 12:53
Permission to panic?
Permission granted.
.......:eek: ......:eek: .....:eek:
Ok now that i have got that out of the way, where to now?
I left yesterdays game feeling really dejected, possibly one of the worst performance i've seen from my beloved Bombers in the two or so decades I've been watching them. The season started with so much promise, but as each week passes we seem to be getting worse and worse. Have we hit rock bottom yet? I don't know, I hope so. What is the answer, how can we turn it around? We will eventually have to turn it around, but when will that be? How long do we have to wait before we start to climb that tree again?
Ok, I have now given up on this season. Finals for for 2006 is well and truely gone. So we must take the opportunity of the last 15 games of the year to rebuild. Lets make the most of it. Most of our senior players are struggling. We need to figure out which ones to persist with and which ones to send back to Bendigo. Some of our younger players havn't been that bad. Time to give most of them a go. The players with questions marks should be given 4 or 5 games in a row to see what they have.
There are numerous question marks about our players. I would spend the rest of the year trying to answer as many of these as possible... We have a bunch of players whom have been around a few years and we dont know whether they will make it or not. Give them all a go (and i mean give them a fair dinkum chance, not just 5 minutes groundtime) at some stage of the year and find out. We have older players who may or may not be past it. Lets be in a position to make the hard calls either way on them at the end of the season. In my mind the rest of the year should be spend finding out about our list. Let's not spend years languishing down the bottom.
Warrack Eagles
15 May 2006, 13:02
Sheedy to stay !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
redandblackveins
15 May 2006, 14:26
Firstly can I say that I would hate to see the club get rid of Sheeds before he serves the rest of his contract. He has been great for our club, he took us from a struggling club in the 70's and early 80's to be one of the powerhouse clubs of the AFL.
But I do wonder what is going through his mind when he puts Reynolds on Fev and when it not working leaving him there all the match and destroys the confidence of the kid.
He did the same with Kep in the first 2 games (where he was thrashed by bigger and better players) stating he had to learn how to play on good players if he is going to play at CHB, after he was destroyed by Hall and Brown he hasn't play there since, which I accepted at time but what is he think about? I guess he has his reasons but very confussing to me.
Sheeds please pick a position any position on the ground and stick to with him!!! and stop F..king with his career.
Anyway lets get out and support our team we will be back soon I have no doubt at all so lets stick together.
blumfieldisback
15 May 2006, 14:47
sheeds has lost the plot, we were always going to lose that the moment he put reynolds at ful back on fev. i feel sorry for reynolds, especially if he is dropped, how is a kid trying to forge his name in the game going to get confidence from that, he should have been on the wing with either Mcphee or soloman on fev. Bad bad move.
and we have become comical, i was at the game and i dont even get angry anymore i just laugh, i want us to finish down the bottom we deserve it, we have become too arrogant and lost any excitement about the club
sheeds is doin what he can with what his got.u can't expect any more from a coach.Four years ago i moved over here to perth (the ess/freo final was a great night!) and watched WC go from a bunch of kids with only one star,Cousins, gell together over 2 seasons and form a very highiy skilled, focused unit who now have a winning mindset every week. REMEMBER 92' when we all thought finals were years away! it can change very quickly.
dogbowl
15 May 2006, 16:46
With the benefit of hindsight, surely the club would not have gone for Campo. I hope so much that Sheeds starts selecting youth and shows the faith in them, no matter what. Hawks did it last year and still are, brissy are doing it, bombers should have done it a couple of years back.
If Jobe Watson gets a bath from Judd or Fletcher, and is told at each break to keep learning, that will be good for him. You guys should hold your nerve and take the plunge. Bad luck for Solly and those other duds!
Longy413
15 May 2006, 17:05
If we didn't take Campo, we would have taken Heff with our first pick in the PSD.
We then would have taken McKinnon as he was the next youngster we wanted to bring into the club, a young developing ruck. We ended up taking him with our first rookie pick. We wouldn't be in any better position.
The only difference would have been McKinnon would probably be on our list (out injured for the year anyway) and we would have taken another rookie at the end to fill up the last spot.
Daytripper
15 May 2006, 17:07
With the benefit of hindsight, surely the club would not have gone for Campo. I hope so much that Sheeds starts selecting youth and shows the faith in them, no matter what. Hawks did it last year and still are, brissy are doing it, bombers should have done it a couple of years back.
I don't know how many times this has to be said but Camporeale didn't cost us anything. We didn't swap any picks, we didn't trade him for another player - he cost nothing.
The alternative was to leave a spot clear and pick up a player at the end of the 5th round.
How many players from picks 40 onwards have come from last seasons draft and have played this year ?
More to the point, how many of these players will be on AFL lists in two years time ?
d-mac3276
15 May 2006, 17:09
disgraceful?....we have a average loosing margin of 13points....hardly
lack of spirit?... down by 17 Vs richmond in the 4thQ then hit the front
theres no doubt we have been making a few mistakes in going forward, but thats going to happen when you are lacking confidence. oh wow we got in front yeah just weren't good enough to go on with it against a side that is pus like us then we go down by 6 goals to the worst side going around in carlton, u go on about we r just losing but u obviously haven't opened ur eyes and seen that the sides we have lost to r a bunch of :D:D:D:D just hate to c what will happen when we play someone who will actually b in the finals oh what a joy that'll be
oh wow we got in front yeah just weren't good enough to go on with it against a side that is pus like us then we go down by 6 goals to the worst side going around in carlton, u go on about we r just losing but u obviously haven't opened ur eyes and seen that the sides we have lost to r a bunch of :D:D:D:D just hate to c what will happen when we play someone who will actually b in the finals oh what a joy that'll be
stop sooking you little bitch....go and follow someone else if your so scared about what will happen to us when we play west coast....i'm sure if we loose by a respectable margin, or actually beat west coast you will be the first one saying how good we are, and how it will change our season
d-mac3276
15 May 2006, 19:31
stop sooking you little bitch....go and follow someone else if your so scared about what will happen to us when we play west coast....i'm sure if we loose by a respectable margin, or actually beat west coast you will be the first one saying how good we are, and how it will change our season i strongly doubt i will f u c k stick one win won't b getting me excited about anything whether it b west coast or any other side just face it nimrod we r a bunch of s h i t at the moment with no ticker and i yeah i will bitch about how professional footballers playing like spastics as i have to watch em so go take ur opinion and shove it up ya date knucklehead
Why does it make a difference?
The four sides that won Premierships between 1999 and 2004 are all in the bottom four. That's not to say I'm accepting of this position, but what is happening is exactly what the AFL wanted.
i never thought that carlton won a premiership between 1999 and 2004! :D
Longy413
15 May 2006, 22:01
i never thought that carlton won a premiership between 1999 and 2004! :D
They aren't in the bottom four.
If you're going to try and be a smart arse, at least try and be accurate.
The bottom four are -
13. Kangaroos (1999)
14. Brisbane (2001-2003)
15. Port Adelaide (2004)
16. Essendon (2000)
djharps
15 May 2006, 23:40
They aren't in the bottom four.
If you're going to try and be a smart arse, at least try and be accurate.
The bottom four are -
13. Kangaroos (1999)
14. Brisbane (2001-2003)
15. Port Adelaide (2004)
16. Essendon (2000)
richmond and hawthorn finish ahead of brisbane and port ha! ur joking right aslong as brown and cornes are running around they are both a threat... who richmond/hawks got?? a bunch of spuds!
Longy413
15 May 2006, 23:43
richmond and hawthorn finish ahead of brisbane and port ha! ur joking right aslong as brown and cornes are running around they are both a threat... who richmond/hawks got?? a bunch of spuds!
I'm talking about the current ladder.
What's with the influx of moron's around here lately?
djharps
16 May 2006, 02:27
whats with morons trying to produce bull:D:D:D:D facts???
Daytripper
16 May 2006, 09:35
I'm talking about the current ladder.
What's with the influx of moron's around here lately?
Its a worry Longy.
Seems like the losing streak has brought some bad posters out. They've all got the sms text speak happening too.
whats with morons trying to produce bull**** facts???
A bull**** fact is an oxymoron.
A fact is the truth. You can't have bull**** truth.
If we didn't take Campo, we would have taken Heff with our first pick in the PSD.
We then would have taken McKinnon as he was the next youngster we wanted to bring into the club, a young developing ruck. We ended up taking him with our first rookie pick. We wouldn't be in any better position.
The only difference would have been McKinnon would probably be on our list (out injured for the year anyway) and we would have taken another rookie at the end to fill up the last spot.
True Longy but we would not have committed 800,000 to an outside midfielder who is 30. We have argued this topic for 6 months now but Campo was a mistake. Imagine the salary cap space we would have had if we didnt take on campo and hird and Rioli retire at the end of the year. we would have been even more powerful during trade week.
Longy413
16 May 2006, 12:54
Do we really believe Campo is on $400,000 a year? And if he is, would that put us below 95% if we weren't paying him?
Rioli isn't on much.
Do we really believe Campo is on $400,000 a year?
And Rioli isn't on much.
Camporeale had to nominate a figure for the PSD. It was widely reported in excess of $400K but at the minimum I reckon 350k. Rioli would be on a fair wage. We are really splitting hairs but philosophically I would have been more prudent and picked a Hocking, Jolley, Matt White or Ryan Jackson. This is easy to say in hindsight though. I am the same bloke who didnt think Watson would make it but he would be leading our B&F by a street at the moment.
Rioli isn't on much.
just a few turtles per game. and if he kicks a goal a free plane ticket home. stop's him getting the wonders every second week, that way the club knows where hi is at.
just a few turtles per game. and if he kicks a goal a free plane ticket home. stop's him getting the wonders every second week, that way the club knows where hi is at.
You really think he's that unproffessional?
Longy413
16 May 2006, 13:26
just a few turtles per game. and if he kicks a goal a free plane ticket home. stop's him getting the wonders every second week, that way the club knows where hi is at.
You are a dead set dill.
Longy413
16 May 2006, 13:28
Camporeale had to nominate a figure for the PSD. It was widely reported in excess of $400K but at the minimum I reckon 350k. Rioli would be on a fair wage. We are really splitting hairs but philosophically I would have been more prudent and picked a Hocking, Jolley, Matt White or Ryan Jackson. This is easy to say in hindsight though.
There is merit in what you're saying and I'm not a huge advocate in the Campo selection. I was at the time, but I guess it is easier to be critical now because we aren't travelling well and he's injured. But I do believe the reasons for drafting him at the time were justified.
Dean Rioli would be earning an average wage.
djharps
16 May 2006, 14:22
riolis wage would apply to anyone who is wasting a space on the list... because he is A) declared only fit for 1/2 the games a normal player would be and B) because he is lazy.. come on ppl we are talking about a powerhouse club here.... one of the top clubs (supporter base& money) in the afl. which in the apex of footy in the country of 20 million and we are carrying a player and have been for some time.. it is just pathetic... what is with sheedy carrying abbos and im not being racist.. but to try and get them up for one game 'dreamtime' a year.. and we cant even win that is just pathetic... pathetic pathetic pathetic.... i dont like it!! id rather see a kid with no talent who gives 110% like dale thomas from the pies (not saying he hasnt got talent cause he does) but he throws himself in the packs and plays afl the way it is meant to be played.. and look where he is at!!!.. 1st year and he is a starter in a top 4 side!!!!
Longy413
16 May 2006, 14:26
A) How do you know Rioli is lazy?
B) If you have to qualify that you aren't being racist, chances are, you are being racist.
C) If you think Dale Thomas throws himself into packs you obviously didn't watch him against West Coast.
djharps
16 May 2006, 14:28
if u have been on an afl list for around 10 years... and u cant be fit enough to play two games in a row.. that is lazy... and please would u rather thomas or rioli to start for your team... though by ur username id think ud say rioli
Longy413
16 May 2006, 14:31
if u have been on an afl list for around 10 years... and u cant be fit enough to play two games in a row.. that is lazy...
There's a difference between injury and lazyness. You can do all the work required, all the rehab, as much training as possible and not play because of injury.
and please would u rather thomas or rioli to start for your team...
I'd rather a fit Dean Rioli any day of the week.
And we didn't have the number 2 pick in the draft last year so the comparison is a stupid one.
though by ur username id think ud say rioli
What's my username got to do with anything?
djharps
16 May 2006, 20:02
so if he isnt lazy.. then why is he always carring 5 or so kgs of flab??? and didnt he quit u no throw the towel in and fly home at one stage if im correct..
Longy413
16 May 2006, 23:02
He is injured, he can't train at 100%. If he can't do that he can't get 100% fit. He does everything he possibly can.
And he went home during pre-season 2002 when he broke up with his wife, he thought he was going to lose his daughter. Some things are bigger than footy.
djharps
17 May 2006, 13:47
do u know that to obtain a fit and healthy body its 80% diet and 20% fitness.... so even if he could only manage 3-4 runs per week + push up and sits up every day with a balanced diet you would be amazed with the results... it has worked for me.. now my core strength is much great im fitter and look less like rioli everyday.. why do u think these jenny craig programs are so successful its because everything they eat is controlled and its shows u can loose weight without exercising just change ur eating habits... so regardless of injuries or not.. he should not be carrying the weight he does... especially that he is a professional athelete .. if u can call him that
Longy413
17 May 2006, 13:56
His eating habits are fine.
Jenny Craig programs are for regular people, if Dean Rioli was a regular person he wouldn't be considered over-weight. Poor comparison.
There is a big difference in being physically fit for everyday life and being physically fit to play AFL footy.
djharps
17 May 2006, 14:21
so if he is not an everyday person why is it when im at the dome... u can see his chest bounce up and down??? is that cause he is extremely fit.... or the loose flab has not enough muscle to hold it down?? the 80-20 applies to all his eating habbits are obviously out of wack and he is not a deciplined eater... beccause u take one person who is unfit and they train like the essendon 1sts for 5 years.. they are bound to become fitter than the average joe.. but he isnt.. the average beep test for an afl player is about 13 i bet he is not near that level.. i could probably beat him... espec if i had the facilities and the professional nutirional and physical support that he has available to him everyday.. its a joke that he cant get fit.. there is no excuse he is lazy!
djharps
17 May 2006, 14:25
if dean rioli wants to be fit for everyday then.. he quit afl and stop wasting essendons resources.. if he wants to play afl.. then he has to be at the fitness level required no exceptions
Longy413
17 May 2006, 14:32
That wasn't my point. My point was using yourself or Jenny Craig as a point of reference is redundant because your comparing normal day life to a professional athlete.
Dean does everything in his power to be as fit as he can. Diet, training and the like. His kneee is shot to pieces, with his natural body shape it is difficult for him to lose weight if he can't train at 100%. He can maintain weight and lose weight to a certain degree, like he did over this pre-season. But unfortunately he can't do a whole lot more than he is doing now.
The question isn't whether Dean Rioli should be 100% fit and cut. He never will be. That's his natural body shape, his skin folds aren't any worse now than when he first came to the club, he is physically bigger because he's put on muscle and body mas. The question is whether Dean Rioli is of any value to the club is he can get his knee right to a degree that will allow him to play 15 games a year.
Different people have different opinions on that.
The Grover
17 May 2006, 14:36
That took me half an hour to read all these posts but it was worth it. Rioli is lazy & overweight any idiot can see that, not just this season but his whole career.
Essendon board is so soft they'll never get rid of sheeds, its pathetic.
Your recruiting in the draft has been poor for the last 4 years, prior to that it use to be the best in the AFL.
Output from both Johnsons & Soloman this year is poor, probably sick of hearing Sheeds voice.
Also should start preparing for life after Hird & Fletcher as they won't be playing in another premiership.
Longy413
17 May 2006, 14:39
Output from both Johnsons & Soloman
At least you got one thing right. Although you still managed to spell Solly's name wrong.
djharps
17 May 2006, 14:43
Also should start preparing for life after Hird & Fletcher as they won't be playing in another premiership.
should start preparing to barrack for another club....ohhh can i say that.. can i mention that ur bankrupt and have been for some time???? hmm what would u rather loose couple of star players of the whole club mmmm :P
djharps
17 May 2006, 14:44
longy i think that we would argue over rioli to the cows come home eh but how can u say that his knee is shot to peices as if it hinders him from running.... if thats the case why hasnt he hung up the boots????? look if im a coach id expect 2 straight games out of my players
Longy413
17 May 2006, 14:49
longy i think that we would argue over rioli to the cows come home eh but how can u say that his knee is shot to peices as if it hinders him from running.... if thats the case why hasnt he hung up the boots?????
The knee has got worse than what it was pre-season. What's to gain from giving up midseason?
We already have three long-term injuries and currently only have three fit rookies, so no benifit there.
I guess he hasn't given up because he's dedicated to the club, he feels like he has a point to prove. I agree that we should be demanding he should be able to play 2+ games in a row. We'd love that, he'd love that. But my point is, the reasons he can't have nothing to do with lazyness or a lack of dedication.
I have to agree with the masses regarding Rioli. Aside from his very obvious skill, he's not doing anyone or himself justice by trying to get himself right with a dodgy knee, rendering him unable to train to capacity to become fit.
Sheedy publicly criticised Campo for declaring himself fit before his hamstring gave way again, so in a sense...Rioli isnt any better by only being able to give us 10-15 games a year n having to be rested/nursed periodically.
Good luck to the guy in his future endeavours, but 100 games seems about right to me for him to hang up his boots and allow us elevate a rookie, if thats within the rules.
Bradley..Laycock....Im still waiting for this ability of yours!!
Longy413
17 May 2006, 15:05
We can't elevate a rookie for him unless it's an 8 week injury. Whilst the injury does stop him from training, and from playing every week it doesn't actually keep him out for 8 weeks straight. So unfortunately that can't happen.
What's wrong with Laycock? Considering the lack of match time he's had, I thought he's show quite a bit.
going buy rioli's image its obvious he is overweight and lazy. he is unproffessional and i know his knee might be stuffed but what is stopping him from eating right and going to the gym to do weights and tone or trim his fat. just because he had a stuffed knee doesnt mean he cant get himself fit by doing other things.
His eating habits are fine.
maybe for everyday life but not for a afl footballer. either his eating habits are wrong or they are right and his lazy because we should be seeing results bye now.
The Grover
17 May 2006, 15:26
should start preparing to barrack for another club....ohhh can i say that.. can i mention that ur bankrupt and have been for some time???? hmm what would u rather loose couple of star players of the whole club mmmm :P
Just had to check if anyone took the bait, I was pretty sure someone would.
We'll be fine off-field once the AFL buys Princes Park & gives us a windfall, I'm more concerned with on-field.
A couple of gun draft picks this year will see us making some good progress.
djharps
17 May 2006, 22:08
A couple of gun draft picks this year will see us making some good progress.
and when they become stars.. what u going to pay em???? love??? cause carlton dont even want to use the minimum salary cap figure :S.... remember not everyplayer is like nik stevens and will go to a stuggling club port>carlton to play for a club he loves.. many players will chase the dollar and then learn to love the club