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Romeo
14 May 2006, 22:55
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The Times
Vaughan's wounded knee saga takes new turn for worse

By Pat Gibson
http://images.thetimes.co.uk/images/trans.gifMICHAEL VAUGHAN, the England captain, could only watch in envy and frustration yesterday as his batsmen piled on the runs in the first Test against Sri Lanka after revealing that he had suffered yet another setback in his battle to recover from an operation on his right knee during the winter.
Vaughan had been hoping to play for Yorkshire in their Cheltenham & Gloucester Trophy match against Northamptonshire at Northampton on Sunday but he has again been forced to admit defeat — just as he did before the Test series in India in February.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/images/white.gifNI_MPU('middle');The saga is making his knee almost as famous as Denis Compton’s was when he was keeping the nation on tenterhooks half a century ago and part of that finished up in the Lord’s museum. Vaughan has not got to that stage yet but it is now hard to see him playing in the remaining two Tests against Sri Lanka and there must be some concern about whether he will be fit for the start of the Pakistan series on July 13.
“It’s progressing but it’s slow progress at the moment,” he said.
“Rehabilitation on a knee which has been a problem for a while must be right. That’s what we’ve been trying to do — tick all the right boxes so that when I play I will play with confidence and the movement required at the top level.
“It is frustrating that I can bat in the nets but not in the middle. There is a lot of twisting and turning and, at the speed that is required in cricket these days, I need to make sure I have ticked all those boxes on the training ground to give myself as much confidence as I can.”
Vaughan, who had already endured two operations on the knee, damaged it again in Pakistan in November. He struggled through the last two Tests before having a third operation in December. He then expected to play a full part in the India tour but returned home without playing in a Test.
“The India tour came too quickly after the operation,” he said. “We didn’t give ourselves enough time. Now I have got to be patient because when I do come back I want it to be for a long time.
“It is very difficult to put a timespan on it. The bare fact is that there is a little bit of bone inside the knee which has created a little hole. That needs time to recover and smooth out. Until that happens, it is very difficult to play. “The last thing I need and everyone else needs is to see a limping Michael Vaughan like we did in Pakistan. There is damage in there but the specialists have told me that I will get better over time. With all the training I have been doing, I have actually got muscles on my legs for the first time.”

usalion
14 May 2006, 23:55
Could be the end for Vaughan at international level with Cook scoring runs. He will be remembered as the first English captain in almost a generation to get his mitts on the little urn....

If he is gone, then the question of who will take over full time comes up. Do you really want Freddie full time as skipper- good job in India in an emergency, but how much will it affect his overall performance?

Romeo
15 May 2006, 09:54
Pommie fans put him down but he's been great for English cricket.

Rob B
15 May 2006, 10:07
Pommie fans put him down but he's been great for English cricket.
I put Vaughan's batting down, and quite rightly I think. He averages something like 34 over about the last 3 years. Not good enough.

As a leader, he has taken England to new heights with the way he has led the side. He has installed confidence into the team and it's players through his positive attitude towards the game and man management skills, and despite what many people say on this forum, captained the side very well indeed. If he gets of it all from Fletcher in the dressing room then why do England look so much more imaginative in the field when he is there? England would not of won the Ashes if Vaughan hadn't taken over the captaincy, they wouldn't of played in the manner they did.

But having done that, England do need much more from him as a batsman if he is to lead England to that higher level imo.

crownie
15 May 2006, 12:31
Pommie fans put him down but he's been great for English cricket.

I Still think if you replaced Vaughn with Hussain in the ashes the result would of been the same, it was Flintoffs series.

Pontings captaincy was pretty bad, somehow Australia were still in the series on the 5th day of the last test match

efcskip47
20 May 2006, 21:50
freddie is an all round character of the game, as an aussie i would rather he hold the urn than vaughan. for our sake i would love to see nasser back.

dan warna
20 May 2006, 22:28
I feel and wish to emote the same sympathy for vaughan as the british showed for glen mcgrath...

however while glen mcgrath adds value to the australian side...vaughan does not.

dan warna
20 May 2006, 22:30
freddie is an all round character of the game, as an aussie i would rather he hold the urn than vaughan. for our sake i would love to see nasser back.
nasser weak heart hussein? pull a hair follicle and he was out for a weak.

talentless as vaughan is at least he has genuine injuries.

usalion
20 May 2006, 22:39
I feel and wish to emote the same sympathy for vaughan as the british showed for glen mcgrath...

however while glen mcgrath adds value to the australian side...vaughan does not.

Actually, Vaughan DOES add value to the Aussie side- England play with one less bat:rolleyes:

On the other hand, I want the best English side possible in Australia, otherwise the Poms will whinge and whinge when they get their heads handed to them. Get Jones, Harmisson and Giles healthy, and see how they go Down Under.

Yup, the series was changed with McGrath's injury, but England DID win...more p[ower to them. Now the urn will return to the rightful owners....AUSTRALIA

Dipper
21 May 2006, 19:30
On the other hand, I want the best English side possible in Australia, otherwise the Poms will whinge and whinge when they get their heads handed to them. Get Jones, Harmisson and Giles healthy, and see how they go Down Under.



I think it's a bit unfair to say that England will whinge if they lose while missing certain players.

I think everyone realises that even with a full team that retaining the Ashes out there will be a lot tougher than winning them at home.There was a bit of whingeing from you lot about certain things, Ponting obviously about being run out by a sub, which I actually had some sympathy with him over, although not for how he went about it.

But the strangest whinge & one I never fully understood was about us producing pitches that suited us, I think primarily it was about Old Trafford when we got the ball reversing but it often happens there like that there it wasn't a one off.

If England had really doctored the pitches they'd have all had about 2 weeks of grass growth on them.

Be interesting to see how it goes down there, I'm not convinced our batting will stand up, if McGrath isn't back on the money then they might go ok, I'll be interested to see if they try to get the tracks to help a bit more than normal with the preparation.

As for the England quicks being fit, I guess Harmison should be ok, he gets the odd injury but there's nothing really long term or serious there.

I have real doubts about Jones being there, which would be a real shame, I like him a lot & I'd be very interested to see how he goes at all the various aussie grounds.

But if he's not fit I don't think we can hide behind it when we've been banging on about the main strength of English cricket being the fast bowling reserves.For me the key is to blood the right back up quicks this summer so they're ready for the Ashes, whether that's Mahmood & Plunkett or my big hope Broad remains to be seen, Tremlett may even make a run.

I for one won't be whingeing if we lose, all the evidence since the Ashes says that Australia are still appreciably ahead of England as an allround side.

I've got no doubt that the key factors for England to have any chance are our quicks against your batting, can they pull it off over there using a less helpful ball albeit on pitches with more bounce, & will we be able to play Warne any better because if he gets the kind of figures that he got last time you'd think an England victory would be bloody difficult, I suppose we've got the drawn series on our side this time.

As for Nasser Hussian having a weak heart Dan Warna, he may not have been the most talented player but he was a tough cookie, if he'd had the present crop of English quicks at his disposal history would judge him a lot better.

As for Vaughan I'm not a big fan as a player but the highlight of his career batting wise was the last Ashes down there, maybe just maybe he'll pull it out down there again.