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Not what you think should happen, but what will Choco do?
Out: Ebert
In: Dew
:rolleyes:
Total Power
21 May 2006, 17:51
Outs: All except symes, Buryones, Cornes and the kids
In: whoever is left
:rolleyes:
I don't mean to bag him like i am, but Bishop is providing nothing. He has no prospect of providing anything. Even if he picks his form up, his speed and fitness prove that he will provide us next to nothing. If he's picked for next week, providing nothing is his job, and we'll all know it.
Ford Fairlane
21 May 2006, 17:55
What does it matter? He made 4 changes this week, could've made 7 and we were still served up the same dross.
What does it matter? He made 4 changes this week, could've made 7 and we were still served up the same dross.
Ah yes, but the Bishop move was his best.
He has now blamed Chaplin first, followed by Pettigrew, who will he blame next? Must be White's turn again I think, or will it be Toby. Surely anyone but Bishop. No offence to the bloke, but he has been playing like :D:D:D:D for about a year now.
Porthos
21 May 2006, 18:03
I loved that Bishop couldn't hide from being thrashed this week, by being shifted to a weaker opponent as usually would happen. The only enduring highlight of the week for me.
Macca19
21 May 2006, 18:06
Dunno. Probably wont make a stick of difference.
IN: Chaplin, Thomson, Willits,
OUT: Bishop, Thurstans, Kingsley
Wouldn't Peter Burgoyne be out with his injury? Listened to bits and pieces on the radio (studying). Didn't see what or how it happened?
Ford Fairlane
21 May 2006, 18:14
Heard Burgs and Kingsley both did hammies. Saved Kingsley being dropped.
To add some hardness possibly put Wanga's on the long term injury list and promote Tom LOGAN.
Porthos
21 May 2006, 18:39
And what would that do?
Macca19
21 May 2006, 18:43
If both Burgoyne and Kingsley are out
IN: Chaplin, Thomson, Willits, Motlop, Lower
OUT: Bishop, Thurstans, Kingsley, P Burgoyne, Walsh
Ford Fairlane
21 May 2006, 18:43
And what would that do?
Nothing. We have enough undersized players who can't hit a target.
We exist to win premierships, logically we should drop Tredrea, Shaun, Surj, Wilbur and Ebo.
Russian
21 May 2006, 20:01
Not what you think should happen, but what will Choco do?Too dangerous trying to get in Choco's head
My changes:
In: Chaplin, Willits, Logan, Thomson, Thomas*, Brogan
Out: Bishop (Baghdad), Thurstans (suicide before he gets on the plane to Baghdad), P Burgoyne (hamstring), Kingsley (hamstring/retired), Lonie (headache), Deluca (Broges back)
*Lower if not fit
usually would send Brogan back to the SANFL but with no games next week he might as well play AFL instead of missing another week unnecessarily
From my best side, Logan's in for Burgoyne, Ezard for Cassisi
*PAFC*13
21 May 2006, 21:24
B: Michael Wilson, Darryl Wakelin, Peter Walsh
HB: Brad Symes, Troy Chaplin, Nathan Lonie
C: Steven Salopek, Brett Ebert, Daniel Motlop
HF: Danyle Pearce, Damon White, Jacob Surjan
F: Josh Mahoney, Ryan Willits, Chad Cornes
1R: Brendon Lade, Shaun Burgoyne, Adam Thomson
INT: James Ezard, Kane Cornes, Fabian Deluca, Nick Lower
EMER: Michael Pettigrew, Matt Thomas, Elijah Ware
IN: Chaplin, Motlop, Willits, Thomson, Lower
OUT: P. Burgoyne, Bishop, Kingsley, Tredrea, Thurstans
Hey, I'm up for Logan.
Porthos
21 May 2006, 21:34
Chaplin for Bishop
Thomson for Peter Burgoyne
Pettigrew for Kingsley
Lower or Thomas for Lonie - Choco would go Dew
Until I hear about Motlop playing a disciplined game at North Adelaide he can rot in the SANFL.
Edit: Also, if Lloyd was present, I would even advocate Carlile in for Thurstans.
finbarr
21 May 2006, 21:39
B: Michael Wilson, Darryl Wakelin, Peter Walsh
HB: Brad Symes, Troy Chaplin, Nathan Lonie
C: Steven Salopek, Brett Ebert, Daniel Motlop
HF: Danyle Pearce, Damon White, Jacob Surjan
F: Josh Mahoney, Ryan Willits, Chad Cornes
1R: Brendon Lade, Shaun Burgoyne, Adam Thomson
INT: James Ezard, Kane Cornes, Fabian Deluca, Nick Lower
EMER: Michael Pettigrew, Matt Thomas, Elijah Ware
IN: Chaplin, Motlop, Willits, Thomson, Lower
OUT: P. Burgoyne, Bishop, Kingsley, Tredrea, Thurstans
Hey, I'm up for Logan.
Chad to CHB
Chaplin to HBF (Lonie out........forever)
Pettigrew to FP
Power21
21 May 2006, 21:44
Not what you think should happen, but what will Choco do?
Out: Ebert
In: Dew
:rolleyes:
You can roll your eyes at the decisions he makes but fact is it's not his fault the playres serve up half-assed effort week in week out. We could make 10 changes and it won't matter, we will be murdered by essendon if they play as hard as the did against west coast.
PJ Power
21 May 2006, 22:23
Thomson for Peter Burgoyne
Ware for Kingsley
Willits for Thurstans (this must happen!)
Chaplin for Bishop
Lower for Lonie.
We will get pantsed bigtime by Essendon regardless of what changes are made, but at least we will be able to have more young kids to choose from when voting for Junior BF player of the year.
You can roll your eyes at the decisions he makes but fact is it's not his fault the playres serve up half-assed effort week in week out. We could make 10 changes and it won't matter, we will be murdered by essendon if they play as hard as the did against west coast.
I am getting a sick of people defending Choco and blaming the players week in week out and in particular the youngsters.
Choco picks the teams. Choco plays gold cards. Dew and Bishop have been recipients of gold cards.
Bishops would not get a game in the amateurs z grade at the moment. Choco picks him, then Choco can cop the flack. End of story.
This week's selection will tell us a lot about this season (i.e. if we are going the deliberate tank). If Bishop is selected, we will know that the Bryce Gibbs Sweepstakes have been entered into forthwith. There are no more excuses for the guy (at least from Choco's perspective), any rational person came to this conclusion between 5-15 minor round games subsequent.
These are the changes I would love to see made, but I won't pin any hopes on them, as one will simply come out disappointed.
In: Chaplin, Willits, Thomson, Lower
Out: Bishop, Thurstans, Kingsley, P Burgoyne
I was going to go with Carlile instead of Bruce, but we could have an opportunity to give him a few taps next week. Another option couldn't hurt.
I was going to go with Carlile instead of Bruce, but we could have an opportunity to give him a few taps next week.Glad you mentioned him. Now that we are basically up faeces creek, time to start getting some games into Alipate.
Bring on the young silverback.
PJ Power
21 May 2006, 23:09
In: Chaplin, Willits, Thomson, Lower
Out: Bishop, Thurstans, Kingsley, P Burgoyne
I was going to go with Carlile instead of Bruce, but we could have an opportunity to give him a few taps next week. Another option couldn't hurt.
Bresh, I respect your opinions greatly. Where do you see Lonie in the scheme of things at the moment? I know half the changes we are now calling for are out of ridiculous desperation and frustration, but here is a guy who is as half-hearted as they get. Are you keeping him in the side because of a lack of replacements or because you have seen something about him you don't mind?
Bresh, I respect your opinions greatly. Where do you see Lonie in the scheme of things at the moment? I know half the changes we are now calling for are out of ridiculous desperation and frustration, but here is a guy who is as half-hearted as they get. Are you keeping him in the side because of a lack of replacements or because you have seen something about him you don't mind?
There is no doubt, as far as soft coques go, he is one of the softest. However, that long goal he kicked (and a handful of other long kicks inside 50) summed up why he may of some use to us in our current state. Basically, he's prepared to back his strength/the only thing he does of AFL standard.
If you look at our best players this season, and most of last year, they are all guys who back their strengths and play on instinct, which is when the best sport is played at any level. He may be a one-trick pony, but at least he uses it, unlike Stuey Dew. Currently we have about 15 zero-trick ponies, so he stays.
Pettigrew for Wilson
Thomson for P Burgoyne
Chaplin for Bishop
Willits for Tredrea
Dew for Kingsley
But most importantly of all...
Bailey for Williams :thumbsu:
Bailey for Williams :thumbsu:You're truly an idiot.
You're truly an idiot.
You got a better suggestion Pred, or are you content to sit and watch 11 goal thrashings week in week out as a result of a group of players who have lost all semblance of respect for a coach who just doesn't have a clue?
We can't get a full time coach in midseason. I would be gunning for Clarkson at the end of the year when his contract expires at Hawthorn.
But we need to stop the haemorrhaging immediately, before it gets worse.
Bailey was a flippant suggestion off he top of my head.
I don't care who gets the job, as long as WIlliams gets the arse.
Toots Hibbert
22 May 2006, 00:23
You can roll your eyes at the decisions he makes but fact is it's not his fault the playres serve up half-assed effort week in week out. We could make 10 changes and it won't matter, we will be murdered by essendon if they play as hard as the did against west coast.
Bollocks, Bollocks, Bollocks, Bollocks, Bollocks, Bollocks, Bollocks, Bollocks....:mad: :mad: :mad:
Who the hell is responsible then? Sure there are a minority of players out there who are trying hard and a majority who quite simply are not. But ask yourself why does a squad of players collectively turn into a rabble? Choco rightly gets the credit for coaching the team to a flag. The blame for the mess that is our side at present is also down to him.
Mr Magoo
22 May 2006, 07:09
Bollocks, Bollocks, Bollocks, Bollocks, Bollocks, Bollocks, Bollocks, Bollocks....:mad: :mad: :mad:
Who the hell is responsible then? Sure there are a minority of players out there who are trying hard and a majority who quite simply are not. But ask yourself why does a squad of players collectively turn into a rabble? Choco rightly gets the credit for coaching the team to a flag. The blame for the mess that is our side at present is also down to him.
Just on that for a moment so if Chocco got the sack this week & say Bailey was the stand in coach for the rest of the season & he played exactly the same players as chocco has been doing & they came out & won half a dozen games. Would that mean that Bailey is a genuis coach?
The playing group as a whole has to take some of the responsibilty for bad performances as well as the coach.
A coach can't run out onto the ground & get 30 possessions for the players, they have to want to do it for themselves & at the moment for whatever reason/reasons some of them don't seem to want to.
For instance, Stuey Dew is a perfect example of what i'm talking about in that if he would've been a little more dedicated to football he could've been remembered as a champion player for Port.
Ford Fairlane
22 May 2006, 08:59
Jars says (http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/footy/story_page/0,8747,19212883%255E25397,00.html) play all the kids ... he likes Logan too.
To my mate Choco, well, you gave a couple of young blokes an opportunity with Deluca, Ezard, Symes, Ebert, Surjan and so on - so the message is youth will be backed in from here.
White, Chaplin, Thomson, Lower Carlile, now Choco, play 'em all.
You're not going to play finals and your fans need to see a bit of light ahead and a bit of fight come back into the jumper.
If I can make another suggestion, Choco, I've seen young Tommy Logan with Glenelg and he's one of the toughest inside players I've seen for a few years.
Elevate him off the rookie list because, mate, that's what you need most at the moment.
Ford Fairlane
22 May 2006, 09:22
And the first guy I'd be sacking is the fitness coach. Two years at the club and we've gone backwards. We can't run a second half out and we would be the puniest looking AFL side on the block. And I'm not comparing Ezard and Voss here, I mean like for like. I said this last week, Surjan looks like a mozzie out there. And don't give me that line about the amount of fight in the dog ... a Doberman will kill a Chihuahua every time.
It's interesting in our crap year in 2000 there were fitness issues too. We were repeatedly getting clobbered after half time ... it was about rd 13 that year started to turn around, beat Collingwood, then the amazing win over West Coast in WA.
Malibu#27
22 May 2006, 10:06
And the first guy I'd be sacking is the fitness coach. Two years at the club and we've gone backwards. We can't run a second half out and we would be the puniest looking AFL side on the block.
I tend to agree there. A common theme all this season - and much of last season has been our inability to run out games. We may be training and running further and faster than anyone - if you believe the club, but theres training harder .... and theres training smarter. I suspect we are not training smarter.
The size of the guys isn't the fitness trainers responsibility ..... do we still have a weights coach. I remember going back a couple years I heard rumours our weights coach was facing the bullet due to a lot of tissue injuries we were experienceing - which were being attributed to our weights training.
On to the ins and outs:
Firstly - I think Wanganeen and Francou should each be given a farewell game at some point latter in this season, but other than that we are now not achieving anything .... and (especially in Wanganeens case) demeaning them by having them go through this process again when they will not be around next year.
Bishop - time is up. I have defended him in particular games in the past anddecided to pay pretty close attention to him yesterday. The thing is as a defender you are normally put under pressure when the ball is getting delivered well and quickly, and you can be excused for giving up goals. But yesterday I saw Bishop give up the ball without a contenst on atleast 3 occasions, when the ball wasnt brought in cleanly - but scrubbed out of packs.
Kingsley - should be used as a fill gap as required ... but now is the time to take a back seat (in SANFL) and allow the kids to get the game time they will require for next season.
Toby - the frustrating thing again yesterday, was that for brief periods he looked capable, but then you see 10 minutes of absolute madness (like in the third quarter when he missed that goal... onwards) where - frankly I'm wondering what hes thinking. I dont think we will manage a trade for him at years end - so the question will remain ..... what do we do - cut our losses and pay him out, or leave him wallowing on the list.
Walsh - I think has been pretty consistent this year ... made a few :D:D:D:D-ups yesterday, but on a whole has been ok for us this year. biggest issue is his agew - and if hes not going to be there going forward, should we free that spot up ? maybe this will be a process that will happen over the course of the remainder ofseason.
Must also say- that wilson hasnt exactly inspired me over the past 18 months and I have started to wonder if injuries have taken their toll.
so this week:
Out:
Kingsley, Bishop, Burgoyne, Thurstans
In:
Lower, Chaplin, Thomson, Willits
Ford Fairlane
22 May 2006, 10:11
The size of the guys isn't the fitness trainers responsibility ..... do we still have a weights coach. I remember going back a couple years I heard rumours our weights coach was facing the bullet due to a lot of tissue injuries we were experienceing - which were being attributed to our weights training.
If were are running too much and not consuming enough simple and complex carbohydrates, then the body will burn muscle to feed itself. And a weights coach will be subordinate to the head fitness coach (in consultation with Choco) ... so he won't have the final say over the amount of weights work they do and the proportion of aerobic to anaerobic training.
Malibu#27
22 May 2006, 10:16
If were are running too much and not consuming enough simple and complex carbohydrates, then the body will burn muscle to feed itself. And a weights coach will be subordinate to the head fitness coach (in consultation with Choco) ... so he won't have the final say over the amount of weights work they do and the proportion of aerobic to anaerobic training.
Yeah - fair point. I was thinking more about putting weight on, and overlooked the possibility the running program may be taking weight off.
Macca19
22 May 2006, 10:51
We would definately be the smallest side in the AFL at the moment. I thought the Weights coach left at the end of last year and we have a new one now?
As for our fitness. Physically, we have looked a mile behind all of our opponents this year. But, half of it is mental. The possible lack of fitness does not account for the rabble that has been out there the last two weeks. Our skills and decision making our extremely behind where they should be as well.
Toots Hibbert
22 May 2006, 11:02
[QUOTE=Mr Magoo]Just on that for a moment so if Chocco got the sack this week & say Bailey was the stand in coach for the rest of the season & he played exactly the same players as chocco has been doing & they came out & won half a dozen games. Would that mean that Bailey is a genuis coach?
The playing group as a whole has to take some of the responsibilty for bad performances as well as the coach.
Individual players take responsibility for their own performance IMO but the coach takes responsibility when the playing group as a whole has turned into a rabble.
A coach can't run out onto the ground & get 30 possessions for the players, they have to want to do it for themselves & at the moment for whatever reason/reasons some of them don't seem to want to.
I'd say it's a certainty that the playing group are responding to unrest behind the scenes at the club or are disillusioned with the way they are being coached or do not understand what is being expected of them or some such reason. When a group of players shows such poor morale as our group currently show then it's the coach who shoulders the blame.
For instance, Stuey Dew is a perfect example of what i'm talking about in that if he would've been a little more dedicated to football he could've been remembered as a champion player for Port.
Like I said, individual players must take responsibility for their own performances and it's to the credit of the minority who are giving it 100% when the performance of the team is dismal. But in any group of 40 odd players you'll get a range of personalities, some or leaders, others followers. Some self motivated others who require a push. That's the situation at every club. When the group as a whole is disfunctional that's the coach's responsibility.
And the first guy I'd be sacking is the fitness coach. Two years at the club and we've gone backwards. We can't run a second half out and we would be the puniest looking AFL side on the block. And I'm not comparing Ezard and Voss here, I mean like for like. I said this last week, Surjan looks like a mozzie out there. And don't give me that line about the amount of fight in the dog ... a Doberman will kill a Chihuahua every time.
It's interesting in our crap year in 2000 there were fitness issues too. We were repeatedly getting clobbered after half time ... it was about rd 13 that year started to turn around, beat Collingwood, then the amazing win over West Coast in WA.
Our whole fitness staff should go. Regardless of whether we are winning or losing matches we should do better in the second half then the first about 50% of the time. That doesn't mean win the half necessarily, for instance lose them by less in a loss. That we've done worse in all 8 second halfs this year is woeful. And the head fitness coach is responsible for that. That we get brushed off the ball, because most of our players look like marathon runners standing next to sprinters you can jointly blame on our fitness and weights coach.
*PAFC*13
22 May 2006, 13:56
Logan continues dominance in midfield – Round 8
Port Adelaide Football Club
11:29:49 AM Mon 22 May, 2006
Power rookie Tom Logan notched up his sixth consecutive 20+ possession game for Glenelg on the weekend as the Bays went down by nine goals to the league leading Magpies. Logan has been a consistent contributor for Glenelg who are currently sitting in third position on the ladder.
This was in Power SANFL round 8. He does supply a real presence in the midfield and will provide a contest everytime. I would seriously consider elavating him and putting Wanga's on the long term injury list :thumbsu: ...
portentous
22 May 2006, 15:31
Can't see Chappy getting a recall as Sturt had the bye last week-and there's no SANFL matches this weekend. IF ONLY he'd been recalled LAST week and Bishop or Toby dropped instead. The poor kid's gonna wonder if it's all worth it soon.
Porthos
22 May 2006, 17:23
The poor kid's gonna wonder if it's all worth it soon.Then his apprenticeship will be complete.
Reminds me of the scenes in Shawshank Redemption where Morgan Freeman's character keeps applying for early release.
nivek48
22 May 2006, 19:34
Chad will miss a week with his eye injury it appears so Chappy would have to come in? Geez our luck is good atm, ey?
http://portadelaidefc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=267750
Power lose key players
5:01:47 PM Mon 22 May, 2006
Port Adelaide Football Club
Three key Port Adelaide players copped injuries in Sunday’s loss to the Brisbane Lions, and all will miss Saturday night’s clash with Essendon.
Superstar utility Chad Cornes, premier on-baller Peter Burgoyne and veteran midfielder Adam Kingsley will join fellow midfielders Dom Cassisi, Dean Brogan, and Josh Francou on the sidelines, although Brogan is some chance to come back into the side week.
Peter Burgoyne’s injury is the most serious of the trio. He left the ground in the second term of Sunday’s match with a hamstring tear and on Monday the club revealed it will keep him out of the next three matches.
Cornes has bleeding in his eye after copping an accidental knock from teammate Josh Mahoney during the game. Cornes saw an eye specialist on Monday who confirmed there was no additional damage, meaning the All-Australian and vice-captain should be right to return for the Round 10 clash with Carlton.
Kingsley also injured his hamstring. He is a chance to return with Cornes in Round 10.
Ruckman Dean Brogan will attempt to prove his fitness in time for the Saturday night clash with the Bombers. He is rated a reasonable chance to be passed fit, having missed the last four weeks with a collapsed lung and a broken rib.
Veteran Gavin Wanganeen has a tear in the cartilage in his right knee and will miss the next four weeks.
The Power injury list is as follows (brackets indicate when injury was sustained)…
Dean Brogan, collapsed lung / broken rib (Round 4) – test
Peter Burgoyne, hamstring (Round 8) – 3 weeks
Dom Cassisi, knee, medial ligament (Round 7) – 3 weeks
Chad Cornes, eye (Round 8) – 1 week
Josh Francou, adductor (SANFL Round 6) – 1-2 weeks
Adam Kingsley, hamstring (Round 8) – 1-2 weeks
Gavin Wanganeen, knee (SANFL Round 8) – 4 weeks
We would definately be the smallest side in the AFL at the moment. I thought the Weights coach left at the end of last year and we have a new one now?
As for our fitness. Physically, we have looked a mile behind all of our opponents this year. But, half of it is mental. The possible lack of fitness does not account for the rabble that has been out there the last two weeks. Our skills and decision making our extremely behind where they should be as well.
I agree look at Thurstans, he's been on our list for 7 years and as a KPP he should be a tank by now yet he looks like he's never picked weight up in his life. Same goes for our midfielders apart from Dew - we need powerful midfielders. Look at the Crows compared to us, they have a lot more big powerful players.
Porthos
22 May 2006, 20:30
Sounds like both Chaplin and Carlile in to me.
If Bishop avoids the chop because of the Cornes injury...well, someone might get hurt.
eddie_vrv6
22 May 2006, 20:45
Sounds like both Chaplin and Carlile in to me.
If Bishop avoids the chop because of the Cornes injury...well, someone might get hurt.
Shouldn't be an excuse, Chad didn't even play in the backline on the weekend.... (I Think?????)
But ya never know
Ford Fairlane
22 May 2006, 21:38
We would definately be the smallest side in the AFL at the moment. I thought the Weights coach left at the end of last year and we have a new one now?
Yeah I think you're right. We did appoint a new weights coach for this season, from Sydney like Burgess.
PJ Power
22 May 2006, 22:50
If Bishop avoids the chop because of the Cornes injury...well, someone might get hurt.
Who did you have in mind Porthos, because my reading of Williams' interview tonight was that Bishop's gold pass isn't being thrown out any time within the next 3 years.
Ford Fairlane
23 May 2006, 14:05
What Choco will do
In: Motlop, Dew, Chaplin, Brogan
Out: Kingsley, P Burgoyne, C Cornes, Deluca
Macca19
23 May 2006, 14:19
Im ok with Dew coming back in as he seems to save his best games for Bombers matches.