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I listened to Denis' press conference and he suggested that Carltons problems are in the head and not physical. When asked why this is so he said he did not know.
I believe that Denis honestly believes he is doing everything he can at Carlton. That he is doing and saying all the right things. I too believe that our problems are phychological but I do believe I know the reason.
Aside from a footy background I also have a business studying depression and possible causes some of which touch on New Age philosophy. Much of this relates to thoughts and how they affect others and yourself.
Most of us relate to words and actions. We are very used to our 5 senses yet have little knowledge of our 6th sense. There is much scientific and medical information coming out that is proving that our thoughts are felt as energy.
What this means is that how a person is thinking and feeling internally can affect the physical condition of both themselves and those connected to them. There is also a theory that some people have a stronger thought energy than others. These people have a very powerful energy force to affect others either positivly or negativly.
I am not suggesting that Denis' thought can be read by players but I am strongly suggesting that his thought energy can be felt. The players may not know exactly where the energy is coming from..in fact they may just feel down and lethargic for no reason.
I believe that Carlton has a number of highly powerful people in this area. Pagan and Kouta are probably the most powerful although Fev, Stevens, Houlihan and Scotland are also very sensitive to this sort of energy. A person who is sensitive has the capacity to perform at almost surreal levels when in a positive frame of mind yet can drop to sub standard levels when the inner or surrounding energy is negative.
This is where leadership is so important. Denis and Kouta are as powerful in this regard and imo more so than any other captain and coach in the league. At present I believe both to be very down internally. They may put up a strong front and think that no one knows. However whilst players may not know they would feel the energy. Campo was a former player with much sensitivty and power who mis used his gift.
Carlton probably have more players with this gift than any other side in the comp. Unfortunalty we also have little willpower. As such our performances don't match the talent that these players have. If Denis deleved deeper into this area of life and himself he has the capability to reach Kouta and the other significant players. If he did our performances would be vastly different.
This is a very serious thread I am starting and is I believe one of if not the major problem at the club. Denis has admitted not knowing why the passion is so up and down. He is one of the major causes yet is not aware. If he was he would become the major cause of our rise in intensity.
MrNicholas
23 May 2006, 16:15
I listened to Denis' press conference and he suggested that Carltons problems are in the head and not physical. When asked why this is so he said he did not know.
I believe that Denis honestly believes he is doing everything he can at Carlton. That he is doing and saying all the right things. I too believe that our problems are phychological but I do believe I know the reason.
Aside from a footy background I also have a business studying depression and possible causes some of which touch on New Age philosophy. Much of this relates to thoughts and how they affect others and yourself.
Most of us relate to words and actions. We are very used to our 5 senses yet have little knowledge of our 6th sense. There is much scientific and medical information coming out that is proving that our thoughts are felt as energy.
What this means is that how a person is thinking and feeling internally can affect the physical condition of both themselves and those connected to them. There is also a theory that some people have a stronger thought energy than others. These people have a very powerful energy force to affect others either positivly or negativly.
I am not suggesting that Denis' thought can be read by players but I am strongly suggesting that his thought energy can be felt. The players may not know exactly where the energy is coming from..in fact they may just feel down and lethargic for no reason.
I believe that Carlton has a number of highly powerful people in this area. Pagan and Kouta are probably the most powerful although Fev, Stevens, Houlihan and Scotland are also very sensitive to this sort of energy. A person who is sensitive has the capacity to perform at almost surreal levels when in a positive frame of mind yet can drop to sub standard levels when the inner or surrounding energy is negative.
This is where leadership is so important. Denis and Kouta are as powerful in this regard and imo more so than any other captain and coach in the league. At present I believe both to be very down internally. They may put up a strong front and think that no one knows. However whilst players may not know they would feel the energy. Campo was a former player with much sensitivty and power who mis used his gift.
Carlton probably have more players with this gift than any other side in the comp. Unfortunalty we also have little willpower. As such our performances don't match the talent that these players have. If Denis deleved deeper into this area of life and himself he has the capability to reach Kouta and the other significant players. If he did our performances would be vastly different.
This is a very serious thread I am starting and is I believe one of if not the major problem at the club. Denis has admitted not knowing why the passion is so up and down. He is one of the major causes yet is not aware. If he was he would become the major cause of our rise in intensity.
Not sure if this is quite what you are referring to, but as a long-term member of a running club, I've always been of the view that "apathy breeds apathy" and that "enthusiasm inspires enthusiasm"
Just a few years back, we had very few people competing and not much enthusiasm; now it is the opposite. In our case, the turnaround seemed to come from new members with the right sort of personality to get other members to want to run, and who perhaps were not tainted by the past
I listened to Denis' press conference and he suggested that Carltons problems are in the head and not physical. When asked why this is so he said he did not know.
I believe that Denis honestly believes he is doing everything he can at Carlton. That he is doing and saying all the right things. I too believe that our problems are phychological but I do believe I know the reason.
Aside from a footy background I also have a business studying depression and possible causes some of which touch on New Age philosophy. Much of this relates to thoughts and how they affect others and yourself.
Most of us relate to words and actions. We are very used to our 5 senses yet have little knowledge of our 6th sense. There is much scientific and medical information coming out that is proving that our thoughts are felt as energy.
What this means is that how a person is thinking and feeling internally can affect the physical condition of both themselves and those connected to them. There is also a theory that some people have a stronger thought energy than others. These people have a very powerful energy force to affect others either positivly or negativly.
I am not suggesting that Denis' thought can be read by players but I am strongly suggesting that his thought energy can be felt. The players may not know exactly where the energy is coming from..in fact they may just feel down and lethargic for no reason.
I believe that Carlton has a number of highly powerful people in this area. Pagan and Kouta are probably the most powerful although Fev, Stevens, Houlihan and Scotland are also very sensitive to this sort of energy. A person who is sensitive has the capacity to perform at almost surreal levels when in a positive frame of mind yet can drop to sub standard levels when the inner or surrounding energy is negative.
This is where leadership is so important. Denis and Kouta are as powerful in this regard and imo more so than any other captain and coach in the league. At present I believe both to be very down internally. They may put up a strong front and think that no one knows. However whilst players may not know they would feel the energy. Campo was a former player with much sensitivty and power who mis used his gift.
Carlton probably have more players with this gift than any other side in the comp. Unfortunalty we also have little willpower. As such our performances don't match the talent that these players have. If Denis deleved deeper into this area of life and himself he has the capability to reach Kouta and the other significant players. If he did our performances would be vastly different.
This is a very serious thread I am starting and is I believe one of if not the major problem at the club. Denis has admitted not knowing why the passion is so up and down. He is one of the major causes yet is not aware. If he was he would become the major cause of our rise in intensity.
Please.:rolleyes:
Did you study this after your medical degree, your psychiatry degree, your doctorate, or is this a diploma in tossology.
"Its more of a vibe your honour.......!" -The Castle
Its amazing how crackpots and wierdos always come out in hard times, main reason why the inquisition was so successful during the dark ages hey.
To Audas,
You know nothing of who I am or what my background is. Your words suggest a lack of security something the club certainly doesn't require in it's quest to fix it's problems. Maybe you could have a career in comedy.
To MrNicholas,
There are many facets to energy and how it manifests itself. Certainly the mood of certain people can affect others in a sporting club. It doesn't necessarily mean that any members tainted by the past cannot become positive influences. It would however require these players to search within to understand their lack of passion.
I see players such as Stevens and in the past Campo having victim type mentalities. This energy does imo affect others at the club. However Stevens could work on this area of his personality and become an inspiring leader.
To Audas,
You know nothing of who I am or what my background is. Your words suggest a lack of security something the club certainly doesn't require in it's quest to fix it's problems. Maybe you could have a career in comedy.
Really you have already clearly stated your background
Aside from a footy background I also have a business studying depression
A business studying depression ???????
Highly intelligent people go to University for years and years to sudy this type of thing unlike yourself.
The comments you have made, the analysis you have provided and the conclusions you have drawn are asinine in the extreme, completely lack any sense of reality and are based on what is clearly isolated amature home thinking.
For you to say that " ... thoughts and how they affect others and yourself." is New Age Philosophy is borderline insane. What else do specialists deal with beyond thoughts and feelings and the energy these create ? Necromancers and poltergeists from parrallel dimensions maybe ?
Your comments clearly deomonstrate a need to be seen as authorative and intellectual, a desire for acceptance and a voice beyond the mediocrity your comments belie. My insecurity comes only from the fear that intellectual amoebas such as yourself will have any input at CFC. A justifiable fear based on past leaders and the startling fact that petrified synaptic ganglions are capable of involuntarily posting on this board (infinite monkeys - infinite typewriters).
Have some respect for the intelect of others and realise that just because you have finaly thought of something dosent mean that it is subsequently right, original or reasonable.
Louie22
24 May 2006, 00:11
I listened to Denis' press conference and he suggested that Carltons problems are in the head and not physical. When asked why this is so he said he did not know.
I believe that Denis honestly believes he is doing everything he can at Carlton. That he is doing and saying all the right things. I too believe that our problems are phychological but I do believe I know the reason.
Aside from a footy background I also have a business studying depression and possible causes some of which touch on New Age philosophy. Much of this relates to thoughts and how they affect others and yourself.
Most of us relate to words and actions. We are very used to our 5 senses yet have little knowledge of our 6th sense. There is much scientific and medical information coming out that is proving that our thoughts are felt as energy.
What this means is that how a person is thinking and feeling internally can affect the physical condition of both themselves and those connected to them. There is also a theory that some people have a stronger thought energy than others. These people have a very powerful energy force to affect others either positivly or negativly.
I am not suggesting that Denis' thought can be read by players but I am strongly suggesting that his thought energy can be felt. The players may not know exactly where the energy is coming from..in fact they may just feel down and lethargic for no reason.
I believe that Carlton has a number of highly powerful people in this area. Pagan and Kouta are probably the most powerful although Fev, Stevens, Houlihan and Scotland are also very sensitive to this sort of energy. A person who is sensitive has the capacity to perform at almost surreal levels when in a positive frame of mind yet can drop to sub standard levels when the inner or surrounding energy is negative.
This is where leadership is so important. Denis and Kouta are as powerful in this regard and imo more so than any other captain and coach in the league. At present I believe both to be very down internally. They may put up a strong front and think that no one knows. However whilst players may not know they would feel the energy. Campo was a former player with much sensitivty and power who mis used his gift.
Carlton probably have more players with this gift than any other side in the comp. Unfortunalty we also have little willpower. As such our performances don't match the talent that these players have. If Denis deleved deeper into this area of life and himself he has the capability to reach Kouta and the other significant players. If he did our performances would be vastly different.
This is a very serious thread I am starting and is I believe one of if not the major problem at the club. Denis has admitted not knowing why the passion is so up and down. He is one of the major causes yet is not aware. If he was he would become the major cause of our rise in intensity.
Mate let me tell you something our problem is not in the head, there is a word for this and its called '' TALENT '' AND WE DON'T HAVE IT END OF STORY.
bluey blue
24 May 2006, 02:11
I listened to Denis' press conference and he suggested that Carltons problems are in the head and not physical. When asked why this is so he said he did not know.
I believe that Denis honestly believes he is doing everything he can at Carlton. That he is doing and saying all the right things. I too believe that our problems are phychological but I do believe I know the reason.
Aside from a footy background I also have a business studying depression and possible causes some of which touch on New Age philosophy. Much of this relates to thoughts and how they affect others and yourself.
Most of us relate to words and actions. We are very used to our 5 senses yet have little knowledge of our 6th sense. There is much scientific and medical information coming out that is proving that our thoughts are felt as energy.
What this means is that how a person is thinking and feeling internally can affect the physical condition of both themselves and those connected to them. There is also a theory that some people have a stronger thought energy than others. These people have a very powerful energy force to affect others either positivly or negativly.
I am not suggesting that Denis' thought can be read by players but I am strongly suggesting that his thought energy can be felt. The players may not know exactly where the energy is coming from..in fact they may just feel down and lethargic for no reason.
I believe that Carlton has a number of highly powerful people in this area. Pagan and Kouta are probably the most powerful although Fev, Stevens, Houlihan and Scotland are also very sensitive to this sort of energy. A person who is sensitive has the capacity to perform at almost surreal levels when in a positive frame of mind yet can drop to sub standard levels when the inner or surrounding energy is negative.
This is where leadership is so important. Denis and Kouta are as powerful in this regard and imo more so than any other captain and coach in the league. At present I believe both to be very down internally. They may put up a strong front and think that no one knows. However whilst players may not know they would feel the energy. Campo was a former player with much sensitivty and power who mis used his gift.
Carlton probably have more players with this gift than any other side in the comp. Unfortunalty we also have little willpower. As such our performances don't match the talent that these players have. If Denis deleved deeper into this area of life and himself he has the capability to reach Kouta and the other significant players. If he did our performances would be vastly different.
This is a very serious thread I am starting and is I believe one of if not the major problem at the club. Denis has admitted not knowing why the passion is so up and down. He is one of the major causes yet is not aware. If he was he would become the major cause of our rise in intensity.
Our team is depressing and they depress the 28000 members which have joint up this year. This can be cured by the removal of crap players and replaced with good ones. The realocation of AFL money towards our club would also assist in the removal of our depression. Happiness will resume when the young players get older and stronger and with the inclution of more talent will come victories. Which will be the equivalent of our prosac!!!:confused: :confused: :confused: :thumbsu: :( :
BigBlue
24 May 2006, 02:29
Really you have already clearly stated your background
A business studying depression ???????
Highly intelligent people go to University for years and years to sudy this type of thing unlike yourself.
The comments you have made, the analysis you have provided and the conclusions you have drawn are asinine in the extreme, completely lack any sense of reality and are based on what is clearly isolated amature home thinking.
For you to say that " ... thoughts and how they affect others and yourself." is New Age Philosophy is borderline insane. What else do specialists deal with beyond thoughts and feelings and the energy these create ? Necromancers and poltergeists from parrallel dimensions maybe ?
Your comments clearly deomonstrate a need to be seen as authorative and intellectual, a desire for acceptance and a voice beyond the mediocrity your comments belie. My insecurity comes only from the fear that intellectual amoebas such as yourself will have any input at CFC. A justifiable fear based on past leaders and the startling fact that petrified synaptic ganglions are capable of involuntarily posting on this board (infinite monkeys - infinite typewriters).
Have some respect for the intelect of others and realise that just because you have finaly thought of something dosent mean that it is subsequently right, original or reasonable.
You surly arrogant tool.
The guy posts something of interest and you shoot him down with something you copied straight out of text book. You d**k!
After you've plagiarised your bit, you have the gall to call him amateurish. Your effort is akin to the exact problem we are experiencing at the club - self centred, egotistical elitism of the highest order.
Get over yourself Audas you South African Goat Herder.
Really you have already clearly stated your background
A business studying depression ???????
Highly intelligent people go to University for years and years to sudy this type of thing unlike yourself.
The comments you have made, the analysis you have provided and the conclusions you have drawn are asinine in the extreme, completely lack any sense of reality and are based on what is clearly isolated amature home thinking.
For you to say that " ... thoughts and how they affect others and yourself." is New Age Philosophy is borderline insane. What else do specialists deal with beyond thoughts and feelings and the energy these create ? Necromancers and poltergeists from parrallel dimensions maybe ?
Your comments clearly deomonstrate a need to be seen as authorative and intellectual, a desire for acceptance and a voice beyond the mediocrity your comments belie. My insecurity comes only from the fear that intellectual amoebas such as yourself will have any input at CFC. A justifiable fear based on past leaders and the startling fact that petrified synaptic ganglions are capable of involuntarily posting on this board (infinite monkeys - infinite typewriters).
Have some respect for the intelect of others and realise that just because you have finaly thought of something dosent mean that it is subsequently right, original or reasonable.
Hi again Audas,
You seem to be very passionate about this topic. Whilst I respect this passion it would be great if you could endeavour to direct it in a more positive
way.
I am very passionate about life and very passionate about the Carlton Footy Club. If you really think I am deluded then surely you could reach me in better ways than just knocking my intelligence.
I will answer some of your points but will keep it short as this thread is meant to be about Cartlon and footy not my personality. You are correct in that I have no formal education in physchology or medicine. However does this make me less intelligent than people who do? Many influential people have gained their wisdom through life experience.
Many years ago I had an opportunity to play for Carlton and didn'y get past thirds. Looking back I freely admit that it was my attitude that cost me my career in football. I had ability but had the victim mentality I have recognised in players like Campo. I then entered a creative field as a photographer. I have had 15 years of respect in this industry and have never had any formal qualification in this area.
In my time in football and in the creative field I have come across many highly sensitive people many of whom have experienced depression. For the past 3 years I have devoted my time to understanding the mind and emotions. As part of this I have discussed at length with many AFL footballers the mental pressures that they face.
It is unfortunate that you feel my motivation is to be validated as important. I can truly say that my passion is to learn as much as I can about depression and peak performance. You may not agree with my ideas and you are probably correct to suggest that they are not original. I do not believe that there are too many completely original thoughts in humanity. However I do believe that the information I have can be beneficial in a football sense.
Carlton are at an all time low. Their coach has admitted that he is confused by their mental state. I am trying to offer suggestions and am doing so in good faith. You mention that my comments lack any sense of reality.Are you suggesting that you know what truly reality is? Thought energy is not investigated heavily by the medical community but this does not mean it is not real. I believe it has relevance to Carlton and the personel they have at the club.
Mate let me tell you something our problem is not in the head, there is a word for this and its called '' TALENT '' AND WE DON'T HAVE IT END OF STORY.
Hey Louie,
We may be less talented than in 95 for example. However the AFL is not the same comp these days. The Swans had a fair list and won the flag. I would imagine that most of the players on our list would perform better if they were in the Swans environment. I believe that these same players can perform better given the right awareness around our club.
The point with this post is to not knock Pagan or our list. I am trying to find ways to work with what we have. I truly believe that Denis and our top 10 players are highly gifted. However the majority are not performing at their peak.
Even if we had no talent are you really satisfied with the effort that our team is putting in? Are you happy to just wait until we have accumulated enough high draft picks to have a good list? Are you so sure that the good list would make all the difference?
You surly arrogant tool.
The guy posts something of interest and you shoot him down with something you copied straight out of text book. You d**k!
After you've plagiarised your bit, you have the gall to call him amateurish. Your effort is akin to the exact problem we are experiencing at the club - self centred, egotistical elitism of the highest order.
Get over yourself Audas you South African Goat Herder.
Is this all you do on BigFooty. Wander around slagging people off. Take a look at your posts and you are not a contributor but rather an agitator. Hence your above comments not only render you a rascist, biggoted, philistine but also hypocritical in the extreme.
You tell me this:
You seem to be very passionate about this topic. Whilst I respect this passion it would be great if you could endeavour to direct it in a more positive
way.
I am very passionate about life and very passionate about the Carlton Footy Club. If you really think I am deluded then surely you could reach me in better ways than just knocking my intelligence.
After having said this:
Your words suggest a lack of security something the club certainly doesn't require in it's quest to fix it's problems. Maybe you could have a career in comedy.
Perhaps if you are going to preach New Age theories you might not be so hypocritical.
You then said this:
You are correct in that I have no formal education in physchology or medicine. However does this make me less intelligent than people who do? Many influential people have gained their wisdom through life experience.
It most certainly does make you less intelligent than these people. Absolutely.
Your logic is not succinct. ("All cats have tails, therefore this cow, which has a tail, is a cat"). Doctors do not gain their knowledge and medical intelligence from life experience, nor do clinical psychologists nor sports psychologists nor psychiatrists. It is pure guile and a total lack of respect to these professionals to think your three years of amature thinking qualifies you in any way in this area. Perhaps 20 years amongst learned peers preceeded by 10 years academic study and research to form a decent background of knowledge from which to begin.
I too am a creative and have been for 25 years in several different fields (as creatives tend to be). However unlike yourself I went forward and educated myself with degrees, academia and critical assessment through my peers in the public domain. The creative, intellectual, philosophical fields are littered with the self proclaimed and self the annointed who consider themselves competent without having ever pitted themselves against qualified peers.
You have represented yourself here as an authority on the subject (hence your initial presentation of qualifications in you original post and subsequent appeals to the school of life, home thinking and a genuine desire to understand) and yet you are clearly an amature. Your comments are rudimentary and lack any reference or understanding of what has been done in this field by highly qualified professionals. You have sumized that thought energy is not researched heavily by the medical community however I would strongly suggest you have not considered or are even vaguely aware of the current theories of the effects of negative emotions which are at the vanguard of modern research.
If on the other hand you merely wish to say that the team is being brought down by aviscious circle of negative emotions go right ahead. We all agree with that and are also well aware of it. But trying to portray yourself as some guru in the field of sports psychology who has some new theory called "thought energy" is going to get exactly what it deserves. Total derision.
Call it how it is mate.
You tell me this:
After having said this:
Perhaps if you are going to preach New Age theories you might not be so hypocritical.
You then said this:
It most certainly does make you less intelligent than these people. Absolutely.
Your logic is not succinct. ("All cats have tails, therefore this cow, which has a tail, is a cat"). Doctors do not gain their knowledge and medical intelligence from life experience, nor do clinical psychologists nor sports psychologists nor psychiatrists. It is pure guile and a total lack of respect to these professionals to think your three years of amature thinking qualifies you in any way in this area. Perhaps 20 years amongst learned peers preceeded by 10 years academic study and research to form a decent background of knowledge from which to begin.
I too am a creative and have been for 25 years in several different fields (as creatives tend to be). However unlike yourself I went forward and educated myself with degrees, academia and critical assessment through my peers in the public domain. The creative, intellectual, philosophical fields are littered with the self proclaimed and self the annointed who consider themselves competent without having ever pitted themselves against qualified peers.
You have represented yourself here as an authority on the subject (hence your initial presentation of qualifications in you original post and subsequent appeals to the school of life, home thinking and a genuine desire to understand) and yet you are clearly an amature. Your comments are rudimentary and lack any reference or understanding of what has been done in this field by highly qualified professionals. You have sumized that thought energy is not researched heavily by the medical community however I would strongly suggest you have not considered or are even vaguely aware of the current theories of the effects of negative emotions which are at the vanguard of modern research.
If on the other hand you merely wish to say that the team is being brought down by aviscious circle of negative emotions go right ahead. We all agree with that and are also well aware of it. But trying to portray yourself as some guru in the field of sports psychology who has some new theory called "thought energy" is going to get exactly what it deserves. Total derision.
Call it how it is mate.
Hi Audas,
I am not sure where your anger is coming from. You seem to be very fired up about putting me down. If this is what you want to do then I can not stop you. I was sarcastic with you on my first reply but was very tired and reactive. I have no further desire to upset you. As I said in the last post this should be about the footy club not about personal character assasinations.
No matter what I say about my thoughts I think you have already made up your mind. As such I am not going to use this forum to validate my life experience or intelligence. I will however continue to voice my opinions on this board about a range of topics.
With regards to the club I believe that energy awareness is a major problem and will stick by this belief. Happy for you or anyone else to make some valid points to prove otherwise.
As such I am not going to use this forum to validate my life experience or intelligence.
Finally.
ShlomoGlickstein
25 May 2006, 23:27
I reckon if we got the BlueBirds back, and they did hand-stands and pom-pom jiggles after each goal, some of the young blokes would be more motivated to kick more goals.
Free Willy
25 May 2006, 23:56
I reckon if we got the BlueBirds back, and they did hand-stands and pom-pom jiggles after each goal, some of the young blokes would be more motivated to kick more goals.
I like it !
Give'em empty Beer Jugs to get coins from the crowd............ when they get the right quota they can put on a show for some real 1/2 time entertainment.
Snoozer
26 May 2006, 10:33
I reckon if we got the BlueBirds back, and they did hand-stands and pom-pom jiggles after each goal, some of the young blokes would be more motivated to kick more goals.
Great idea.... but I reckon the only Bluebirds we could get now would be the original ones from 1980. 26 years down the track they'd be looking pretty handy wouldn't you think??? A few buns popped out of their ovens, bit of a mum's guts, cellulite thighs..... super!!!
saint13
26 May 2006, 10:49
Great idea.... but I reckon the only Bluebirds we could get now would be the original ones from 1980. 26 years down the track they'd be looking pretty handy wouldn't you think??? A few buns popped out of their ovens, bit of a mum's guts, cellulite thighs..... super!!!
LOL, yeah a sight to behold im sure:p :thumbsu: