View Full Version : Hart out, Knights in
The Crows Truth
25 May 2006, 19:06
Bit of a surprise?
Glenno23
25 May 2006, 19:12
very much so
i thought Torney would have got it
maybe he needs another match for south for a bit more fitness.....
Edit: i thought McGregor was injured too?
Give Jase another match in the SANFL...
Good for South anyway :D
Hopefully Knights will get some more game time!
Glenno23
25 May 2006, 19:26
Skippy, Welsh and Torney are the emergencies
Stiffy_18
25 May 2006, 19:42
Bit of a surprise?
Not really.
Pretty much as I suspected.
When Bassett missed a couple of weeks ago Knights was his replacement. I was expecting pretty much the same to happen this week with Hart being the one out.
http://afc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=268646
Torney, Maric and Skippy are the emergencies
Carl Spackler
25 May 2006, 20:32
If Whitnall plays forward does Stevens pick him up? I'd like that match up if I was a Carlton supporter.
Pleased to see Knights in, has been impressive at times this year. Certainly think he's got his nose in front of Van Berlo but the selectors obviously disagree.
Bassett still not back? :mad:
macca23
25 May 2006, 21:02
Give Jase another match in the SANFL...
Good for South anyway :D
Hopefully Knights will get some more game time!
Amen to that!! :thumbsu:
This game is the perfect opportunity to give him 80 minutes or so game time instead of half of that.
Wayne's-World
25 May 2006, 21:07
The club is clearly demonstrating, as they did with Van Berlo, that they have a lot of confidence in this kids future.
Congrats knighter - put in a blinder son!
Crow-mo
25 May 2006, 21:11
The club is clearly demonstrating, as they did with Van Berlo, that they have a lot of confidence in this kids future.
Congrats knighter - put in a blinder son!
agree.
we'll drop you if you don't work on the things we ask, but we are not forgetting you either. seems a genuine carrot and stick thing. send the message, but not damaging his confidence either. :thumbsu:
The Crows Truth
25 May 2006, 21:16
Bassett still not back? :mad:
are you on the juice son? :D
ADELAIDE v CARLTON
Saturday, 2:40pm ACST, AAMI Stadium
ADELAIDE
B: Johncock, Bassett, Massie
HB: Doughty, Rutten, McLeod
C: Mattner, Goodwin, Burton
HF: Thompson, McGregor, Reilly
F: Bode, Ricciuto, Hentschel
FOLL: Biglands, Edwards, Shirley
I/C: Clarke, van Berlo, Knights, Stevens
EMG: Skipworth, Torney, Maric
IN: Knights
OUT: Hart (broken arm)
NEW: -
CARLTON
B: Houlihan, Livingston, Sporn
HB: Walker, Thornton, Teague
C: Wiggins, Scotland, Simpson
HF: Lappin, Whitnall, Koutoufides
F: Kennedy, Fevola, Murphy
FOLL: McLaren, Stevens, Bentick
I/C: Blackwell, French, McGrath, Prendergast
EMG: Bannister, Betts, Bryan
IN: French, Livingston, Prendergast, Sporn, Teague
OUT: Waite (knee), Betts, Carrazzo, Deluca, Saddington
NEW: -
http://afc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=268646
Torney, Maric and Skippy are the emergenciesDucks and Drakes
Is Torney named for South or as an emergency will he have to sit out?
SpringChoke
25 May 2006, 21:31
No Maric - :( .
Our next 2 games are against Essendon and Carlton so I thought it would have been the perfect time to bring in Maric and move Biglands to the forward line.
Must be disheartening for the kid when he's dominating in the SANFl but doesn't get rewarded with an AFL game. Must be even more frustrating when he sees average talls such as Stevens, Clarke and Biglands playing poor football but retaining their spot. It's enough to make a young kid take a peek across the border to see what opportunities are available elsewhere.
It should be Stevens out, Maric in as well.
Frustrating to say the least.
No Maric - :( .
Our next 2 games are against Essendon and Carlton so I thought it would have been the perfect time to bring in Maric and move Biglands to the forward line.
Must be disheartening for the kid when he's dominating in the SANFl but doesn't get rewarded with an AFL game. Must be even more frustrating when he sees average talls such as Stevens, Clarke and Biglands playing poor football but retaining their spot. It's enough to make a young kid take a peek across the border to see what opportunities are available elsewhere.Settle petal
Who says he isnt playing? Wait till they run out then comment.
But stop this petulant ''we must play them or they will go home '' rubbish
Wayne's-World
25 May 2006, 21:46
No Maric - :( .
Our next 2 games are against Essendon and Carlton so I thought it would have been the perfect time to bring in Maric and move Biglands to the forward line.
Must be disheartening for the kid when he's dominating in the SANFl but doesn't get rewarded with an AFL game. Must be even more frustrating when he sees average talls such as Stevens, Clarke and Biglands playing poor football but retaining their spot. It's enough to make a young kid take a peek across the border to see what opportunities are available elsewhere.
SC a bit over dramatic don't you think?
Maric will definately play more games this year....just to keep some balance here, Knights only played 3 games last year.
Maric knows he's next in line ....don't worry about him getting despondant in the short term, quite the contrary he'd be excited about his future with the AFC....why else would he be so keen to sign a new contract?
SpringChoke
25 May 2006, 21:47
It should be Stevens out, Maric in as well.
Frustrating to say the least.
Or Clarke out Maric in. It must comforting for Clarke and Biglands knowing that regardless of how poorly they play they won't be dropped. A guy like Mattner could well question whether there are rules for some and rules for others.
SpringChoke
25 May 2006, 21:50
SC a bit over dramatic don't you think?
Maric will definately play more games this year....just to keep some balance here, Knights only played 3 games last year.
Maric knows he's next in line ....don't worry about him getting despondant in the short term, quite the contrary he'd be excited about his future with the AFC....why else would he be so keen to sign a new contract?
But he hasn't signed a new contract yet.
SpringChoke
25 May 2006, 21:53
Settle petal
Who says he isnt playing? Wait till they run out then comment.
But stop this petulant ''we must play them or they will go home '' rubbish
So if Clarke doesn't retire that would put Maric 4th in line. If Clarke does retire, that puts Maric 3rd in line, again.
I'm just sick to death of seeing Clarke and Biglands running around doing sweet FA and yet we have a young ruckman dominating in the SANFL. Like I said, there performances seem to be immune from scrutiny and they rarely get dropped.
So if Clarke doesn't retire that would put Maric 4th in line. If Clarke does retire, that puts Maric 3rd in line, again.
I'm just sick to death of seeing Clarke and Biglands running around doing sweet FA and yet we have a young ruckman dominating in the SANFL. Like I said, there performances seem to be immune from scrutiny and they rarely get dropped.No problem with that and hopefully NC realises this dilemma.
Maybe teaching Eevarn how to play forward or looking at utilising Biglands forward... the other issue is how hard would you push Hudson in his first few months back
are you on the juice son? :D
Umm, yeah must be. I thought there was just one change, and Bassett didn't play last week, and ... ahh it's a long story, I don't want to get into it.
SpringChoke
25 May 2006, 22:10
No problem with that and hopefully NC realises this dilemma.
Maybe teaching Eevarn how to play forward or looking at utilising Biglands forward... the other issue is how hard would you push Hudson in his first few months back
If you have a look at the POTY Votes thread, neither Clarke nor Biglands have received a vote yet. According to POTY, neither are in our best 17 players. Can we afford to lose one to blood Maric, I think we can. Or at the very least, while we are down on KPP's move Biglands forward and bring in Maric to share the ruck duties with Clarke.
I just think we need some insurance just in case Pez and Bock don't recover before finals. For me Biglands would make a better forward option than Stevens. At least he will crash a few packs and damage a few backman. If we go into finals with only Rutts, Trent and Kenny as our genuine KPP's we could be in trouble. We need at least one more and Stevens isn't the answer, Biglands could be.
If you have a look at the POTY Votes thread, neither Clarke nor Biglands have received a vote yet. According to POTY, neither are in our best 17 players. Can we afford to lose one to blood Maric, I think we can. Or at the very least, while we are down on KPP's move Biglands forward and bring in Maric to share the ruck duties with Clarke.
I just think we need some insurance just in case Pez and Bock don't recover before finals. For me Biglands would make a better forward option than Stevens. At least he will crash a few packs and damage a few backman. If we go into finals with only Rutts, Trent and Kenny as our genuine KPP's we could be in trouble. We need at least one more and Stevens isn't the answer, Biglands could be.Sounds a fair analysis to me. I am a fan of big men crashing packs. My Dermott Brereton idolatry
Stiffy_18
25 May 2006, 22:36
No Maric - :( .
Our next 2 games are against Essendon and Carlton so I thought it would have been the perfect time to bring in Maric and move Biglands to the forward line.
Must be disheartening for the kid when he's dominating in the SANFl but doesn't get rewarded with an AFL game. Must be even more frustrating when he sees average talls such as Stevens, Clarke and Biglands playing poor football but retaining their spot. It's enough to make a young kid take a peek across the border to see what opportunities are available elsewhere.
He won't do that Springy
Crow-mo
25 May 2006, 22:38
Or Clarke out Maric in. It must comforting for Clarke and Biglands knowing that regardless of how poorly they play they won't be dropped. A guy like Mattner could well question whether there are rules for some and rules for others.
jesus springy, what brought on this crap?
Stiffy_18
25 May 2006, 22:39
But he hasn't signed a new contract yet.
Mate he wouldn't be in the negotiations with the club if he didn't want to stay here.
I think you are over-dramatizing this situation. Maric will sign a new contract with us and he will get the opportunities. Just because you are not patient about it, it doesn't mean he is feeling the same.
SpringChoke
25 May 2006, 22:50
He won't do that Springy
Christ I hope not. My source told me some rather disheartening news today. Mind you, this is the same source that told me the AFC would be definately taking legal action if Gibbs wasn't allowed to be picked by us under the FS.
The Crows Truth
25 May 2006, 22:54
Christ I hope not. My source told me some rather disheartening news today. Mind you, this is the same source that told me the AFC would be definately taking legal action if Gibbs wasn't allowed to be picked by us under the FS.
whats the news old son? :eek: :confused:
SpringChoke
25 May 2006, 23:00
whats the news old son? :eek: :confused:
I would rather not say as my source wasn't reliable last time.
AdelUniCrowFan
25 May 2006, 23:05
Ducks and Drakes
Is Torney named for South or as an emergency will he have to sit out?
SANFL v WAFL so no SANFL league games. Thus whoever is emergency will be at the game considering they have no SANFL duties.
It's a pain considering Welsh and Torney really need the match practice.
SANFL v WAFL so no SANFL league games. Thus whoever is emergency will be at the game considering they have no SANFL duties.
It's a pain considering Welsh and Torney really need the match practice.Ah yes State game
So Torney can have match practice with the Crows ;)
Meh
Source this, source that.
Everyone seems to have a source these days.
Meh
Source this, source that.
Everyone seems to have a source these days.What about my source that says that Ivan is very happy and loves the coach. And that the AFC have learnt that one way of stopping homesickness is to pay for a bit of home to come over every now and then
Stiffy_18
26 May 2006, 01:02
What about my source that says that Ivan is very happy and loves the coach. And that the AFC have learnt that one way of stopping homesickness is to pay for a bit of home to come over every now and then
And you would be spot on ;)
Crowked
26 May 2006, 08:46
I'm not really concerned about Maric or any other player going elsewhere, but I did think the 3 games, Richmond, Carlton and Essendon were the ones to blood some players without risking too much.
I have to agree with one of Springy's comments. Biglands could be used as a key forward, Maric as second ruck, Kenny or Trent to go back, and Stevens, well he should go 'out da windy man!' He's well and truely proven he's not up to it IMO.
Its a shame for Torney and Welsh that they wont get another game this week due to the state game, but I think Massie has earned his crack at replacing Benny down back. Torney will just have to knuckle down and put some performances together over the next few weeks to get his crack at it.
Is it mere coincidece that Stevens has played in both of our defeats!!!!!
Anyway another point If my thoughts are correct this may be Stevens last or second last game if he cannot show more competitiveness in the one on one situation.
Craigy has now given him some extended time to see whether he can cut the mustard at this level. His time must surely be running out.
The loss of Watts is what is hurting us now. Before people say dont talk about the past - if Watts was playing for the AFC today, Stevens probably would not. WE spent two years on developing a player to play KPP and then he leaves. It could be any player, but the AFC would not have planned for this.
Stevens is also basically getting a game as we have no other tall (not ruckman) who can play at this level at ths time. The injuries to Gibbo have not helped either.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
SpringChoke
26 May 2006, 09:16
Meh
Source this, source that.
Everyone seems to have a source these days.
No Sh*t Sherlock. Hence the reason I didn't post his comment.
SpringChoke
26 May 2006, 09:25
What about my source that says that Ivan is very happy and loves the coach. And that the AFC have learnt that one way of stopping homesickness is to pay for a bit of home to come over every now and then
Let's hope your source is right then PC.:)
NikkiNoo
26 May 2006, 09:46
Is it mere coincidece that Stevens has played in both of our defeats!!!!!
He's also played in a win ;)
He's also played in a win ;)
Well he was on the field -not much else!!!!:p
saint13
26 May 2006, 11:28
as a local from the broadford area in vic, im just curious to know the development on richie douglas?
is he close to cracking the 1s?
SpringChoke
26 May 2006, 11:30
as a local from the broadford area in vic, im just curious to know the development on richie douglas?
is he close to cracking the 1s?
Has a 6 week knee injury.
saint13
26 May 2006, 11:33
Has a 6 week knee injury.
thats a real shame, as i feel him to be a gun of the future:thumbsu:
Carl Spackler
26 May 2006, 11:54
Douglas was burning it up for the Bays before he got injured. Pity he's so skinny as I reckon he'd have played a game or two by now.
If I was a Victorian club I'd be putting out the feelers to Maric's manager and, more importantly, his family. Talented, aggressive, tall kid with two preseasons under his belt - very valuable.
There are some very ordinary ruck combinations going around too - French and McLaren, Ackland and Blake, Hale and McIntosh. Surely they'd jump at the chance to pick him up
Whilst keeping Maric is a priority, the Crows should also be laying the ground-work for a kid to return home - Monfries, Slattery, Griffin...
No Porplyzia or Vince as emergencies - both still injured?
It's interesting that our best performances this year have seen 3 or more of the "crushers" playing, and that our worst efforts have had only 1 or 2. The kids won't win us a game, but they bring a level of enthusiasm that can be handy.
No Porplyzia or Vince as emergencies - both still injured?
It's interesting that our best performances this year have seen 3 or more of the "crushers" playing, and that our worst efforts have had only 1 or 2. The kids won't win us a game, but they bring a level of enthusiasm that can be handy.
The elixer of youth Marvin.
You always need to have a balance between experience and youth - provided it is quality youth - ie Knighter, Weekends, Needles, VB and the Hauser.
Vic Crow
26 May 2006, 21:13
No Porplyzia or Vince as emergencies - both still injured?
It's interesting that our best performances this year have seen 3 or more of the "crushers" playing, and that our worst efforts have had only 1 or 2. The kids won't win us a game, but they bring a level of enthusiasm that can be handy.
Yes, they're both still on the injured list.