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I have been a very strong supporter of the Recruiting committee in recent years, but I do think they made a very poor error of judgement in not picking up Pearce.
It is my undersranding we gave up Pearce for one Ryan Nye.
Well Nye has gone nye nye, and Pearce continues to Pearce me off with his good football for the Power.
I suppose you cannot have every thing, but he would have been a valuable addition to our lineup.
Wayne's-World
27 May 2006, 22:54
The only thing I can summize is that although Pearce has been very good, Adelaide have tended to opt for players that have a bit of body strength about them and can't be exploited by mismatches.
Does anyone know what his engine is like cause that could also have been a factor
Total Power
27 May 2006, 22:56
...and he is untouchable aka cant be traded :D :thumbsu:
SpringChoke
27 May 2006, 23:01
I have been a very strong supporter of the Recruiting committee in recent years, but I do think they made a very poor error of judgement in not picking up Pearce.
It is my undersranding we gave up Pearce for one Ryan Nye.
Well Nye has gone nye nye, and Pearce continues to Pearce me off with his good football for the Power.
I suppose you cannot have every thing, but he would have been a valuable addition to our lineup.
Looks like a good little player but i'm more than happy with the youngsters we have picked up since 2004.
prince_tinny_2006
27 May 2006, 23:04
congrat total power.i enjoyed the game tonight.and iam glad the power won.essendon will get floged next week again by the crows.so enjoy the win u will win more games this yr.well cya.
macca23
27 May 2006, 23:45
At the time I wanted us to take him in the draft, let alone the rookie draft. I couldn't believe it that we didn't take him with our first pick when he was still sitting there in the rookie draft.
So yes, I would have at least rookied him.
But I'll bet we wouldn't have done as well as the recruiters did overall, so I don't think that we can criticize them on this one.
He'd be handy for us a crumbing forward though, with an occasional run on the ball - I like the way he plays.
crowsarethebest
28 May 2006, 00:47
He looks a good little player. He looks very skinny but gets the ball still. I was suprised we passed him as well. Best athlete in the draft that year and I thought we liked athletes. Maybe his size put him off?
Total Power
28 May 2006, 00:55
congrat total power.i enjoyed the game tonight.and iam glad the power won.essendon will get floged next week again by the crows.so enjoy the win u will win more games this yr.well cya.
Why cant essendon forfeit next weeks game and ask for mercy rule? gonna be the most one sided affair in a long long time.
Total Power
28 May 2006, 00:56
Just a query, you all reckon Peace will make the crows starting 18?? please give an unbiased answer.
Just a query, you all reckon Peace will make the crows starting 18?? please give an unbiased answer.
If we had a fair number of injuries, he might be pushing for selection but I wouldn't think he'd get a game ahead of someone like Porplyzia though.
Sanguinarius
28 May 2006, 03:07
Just a query, you all reckon Peace will make the crows starting 18?? please give an unbiased answer.
even though I dont mind the kid - probably not, or at least not yet.
top 25 maybe, but I couldnt see him cracking the 18 untill he developes his engine a little more. I dont think we're big on specialist small forwards, the last one we tryed (burns?) didnt come off too well...
spice18
28 May 2006, 03:38
At the time I wanted us to take him in the draft, let alone the rookie draft. I couldn't believe it that we didn't take him with our first pick when he was still sitting there in the rookie draft.
So yes, I would have at least rookied him.
But I'll bet we wouldn't have done as well as the recruiters did overall, so I don't think that we can criticize them on this one.
He'd be handy for us a crumbing forward though, with an occasional run on the ball - I like the way he plays.
As an overall comment on your recruitment since 2004, I agree with you Macca. But as a comment specifically relating to Pearcy, I totally disagree. As we all know, all teams passed on him in the draft; you guys had him for your rookie camp (vests & all) but decided to pick Nye, who is no longer on your list. I think your recruiting team errerd in not picking him up in the rookie draft and as his career blossoms across the boulevard, there will be a few people whispering a few regrets about this boy...
spice18
28 May 2006, 03:42
He looks a good little player. He looks very skinny but gets the ball still. I was suprised we passed him as well. Best athlete in the draft that year and I thought we liked athletes. Maybe his size put him off?
Re the bold bit: where does that place your recruitment of 'buster' Douglas?? IMO this was a genuine recruiting error by your club at the rookie draft. In the bigger picture though, it was an error by all clubs, just as they did with hi hoo everybody Davey.
spice18
28 May 2006, 03:50
Just a query, you all reckon Peace will make the crows starting 18?? please give an unbiased answer.
I think if he continues to string top shelf games like this one he will be 2006 NAB Rising Star winner. Has done enough to shine as a starlet and now needs to consolidate more torwards being a real star.
As an aside i think Symes will earn the NAB Rising Star nominee for round 9.
Crow-mo
28 May 2006, 06:36
IMO this was a genuine recruiting error by your club at the rookie draft.
no such thing as a genuine error at the rookie draft. by that stage, it's a crap shoot.
as for this guy, he looks a nice player. but hardly wrist slashing stuff.
Wayne's-World
28 May 2006, 09:08
no such thing as a genuine error at the rookie draft. by that stage, it's a crap shoot.
as for this guy, he looks a nice player. but hardly wrist slashing stuff.
That's probably the most accurate summary of this thread
Macca19
28 May 2006, 12:12
Cant blame clubs for not picking him up. At the time there were doubts whether he could put on any significant muscle or weight and the games he had played that year werent overly exciting.
This time last year he was still in Sturts reserves and not exactly setting the world on fire either. I doubt there would have been many Port supporters that thought he could have done what he has done from that point on.
His engine seems fine and will continue to improve as he improves and he has also put on quite a bit of muscle definition since last year too.
One of those lucky rookie picks that go on to better things.
I'll jump on this Pearce bandwagon
I dont mind Adelaide missed him...thats the luck of the draw..
I do recall posting on the Port board after the Showdown last year or the last one of 2004?..the wet one.. that I felt he had something special hidden away. Glad to stand up and take that one :p
Porthos
28 May 2006, 12:36
Any junior under 180cm is a big risk. You can't take all the risks.
Mad Dog
28 May 2006, 12:37
:mad: :mad: ......FFS - you win some you lose some - drafting players is not an exact science - for every one we've passed up - there is at least one more that we've made a good call on. Some poster's persistance with starting threads criticising the club's drafting and administrative record while not contributing at all to positive news and threads is becoming unnaturally obsessive......and would cause some of us to questions the motives for such behaviour..... :rolleyes:
:mad: :mad: ......FFS - you win some you lose some - drafting players is not an exact science - for every one we've passed up - there is at least one more that we've made a good call on. Some poster's persistance with starting threads criticising the club's drafting and administrative record while not contributing at all to positive news and threads is becoming unnaturally obsessive......and would cause some of us to questions the motives for such behaviour..... :rolleyes:
:thumbsu:
I like Pearce but I am not going to crucify the club for not picking him..keeping Matthew Smith might be cause for club bagging
macca23
28 May 2006, 13:48
As an aside i think Symes will earn the NAB Rising Star nominee for round 9.
Symes is a beauty.
He will develop into a first class player for the Power IMO - a statement I made at the time when I first saw him play. :thumbsu:
SpringChoke
28 May 2006, 14:31
:mad: :mad: ......FFS - you win some you lose some - drafting players is not an exact science - for every one we've passed up - there is at least one more that we've made a good call on. Some poster's persistance with starting threads criticising the club's drafting and administrative record while not contributing at all to positive news and threads is becoming unnaturally obsessive......and would cause some of us to questions the motives for such behaviour..... :rolleyes:
You could say that we have gifted Port a few good players of the last few years S Burgoyne and Pearce but then again you could also say they have gifted us a couple Thomson and Stiffy. It's about even I reckon.
:mad: :mad: ......FFS - you win some you lose some - drafting players is not an exact science - for every one we've passed up - there is at least one more that we've made a good call on. Some poster's persistance with starting threads criticising the club's drafting and administrative record while not contributing at all to positive news and threads is becoming unnaturally obsessive......and would cause some of us to questions the motives for such behaviour..... :rolleyes:
I call your FFS Mad Dog and raise your FFS.
I have been a most ardent fan of the Recruiting committee in recent years.
I think we have done very very well and Fanta must take a lot of the credit.
I have been criticised by some on the board, and if my memory serves me well even you, for pumping up the tyres of most of the recruits.
All i was saying is that in Pearce's case we may have let one slip.:mad:
Mad Dog
28 May 2006, 15:03
I call your FFS Mad Dog and raise your FFS.
I have been a most ardent fan of the Recruiting committee in recent years.
I think we have done very very well and Fanta must take a lot of the credit.
I have been criticised by some on the board, and if my memory serves me well even you, for pumping up the tyres of most of the recruits.
All i was saying is that in Pearce's case we may have let one slip.:mad:
it's just so so easy to make those calls on a Sunday morning after someone like Pearce has had such a good game. My frustration is not aimed soley at you but we seem to have a lot of "after the fact" experts here who never go out on a limb....snipe at those who do....then roll out the "told ya so's" after the event.
Why cant we celebrate the VBs, Knights, Ruttens, Hentchells, McLeods, Ricciutos, Douglas's and every other good recruiting move we've made rather than thinking the grass is always greener ?
SpringChoke
28 May 2006, 15:05
as for this guy, he looks a nice player. but hardly wrist slashing stuff.
Too true. Let's not forget Essendons youngsters were all being heralded after round 1.;)
it's just so so easy to make those calls on a Sunday morning after someone like Pearce has had such a good game. My frustration is not aimed soley at you but we seem to have a lot of "after the fact" experts here who never go out on a limb....snipe at those who do....then roll out the "told ya so's" after the event.
Why cant we celebrate the VBs, Knights, Ruttens, Hentchells, McLeods, Ricciutos, Douglas's and every other good recruiting move we've made rather than thinking the grass is always greener ?
Fair enough Mad Dog ,but check my posts - Im convinced about Vince, The Black Douglas, Dougie does well, a Knight's tale, Jessie Aish, the Mattner train, No Doubts about Doughty etc to see how much I have supported the young talent in our side.
I am prepared ot stick out my neck and sometimes I get it wrong - Massie and Bode a case in point.:D :o
Meh same thing happened to us with Dal Santo. Recruiters are never going to be perfect so why blame them? With our picks in that year are
8. John Messen - Progressing nicely
24. Nathan Van Berlo - In senior side for about a year now.
28. Chad Gibson - Cursed by injury
40. Ivan Maric - Progressing very well, played AFL
56. Chris Knights - Steal at 56, has played multiple AFL games.
Rookie Draft
Ryan Nye - Gone
Johnathon Griffin - Coming along, Upgraded to senior list.
John Hinge - Upgraded to senior list.
At this stage you'd say the recruiters only made one mistake in retrospect to that draft and that was in the fish barrel of the rookie draft! It's immarure and unrealistic to start bagging them over one player.
PS
I think Pearce will be gun.
raikkonen
28 May 2006, 18:27
I am more p1ssed off at the fact that we missed the opportunity for a bloke called Pavlich. Who cares about Pearce? Yeah he is an ok player, but I am quite happy with my team (with some quality young players) that are currently sitting top prior to the conclusion of the WC game v Demons.
Wayne's-World
28 May 2006, 19:10
I am more p1ssed off at the fact that we missed the opportunity for a bloke called Pavlich. Who cares about Pearce? Yeah he is an ok player, but I am quite happy with my team (with some quality young players) that are currently sitting top prior to the conclusion of the WC game v Demons.
That's not fair...you can't have every good player....we did get Kenny instead....be grateful for that
Mad Dog
28 May 2006, 19:27
That's not fair...you can't have every good player....we did get Kenny instead....be grateful for that
now now.....:p
raikkonen
28 May 2006, 20:14
That's not fair...you can't have every good player....we did get Kenny instead....be grateful for that
I didnt mean to bag Kenny...I said I was quite happy with my team....But you cant help but dream of having Pav aswell as Kenny.
I didnt mean to bag Kenny...I said I was quite happy with my team....But you cant help but dream of having Pav aswell as Kenny.
Was against the rules. Each team could only select one 17 year old. Ours was McGregor. Look it up we did a hell of alot than most teams.
raikkonen
28 May 2006, 22:04
Was against the rules. Each team could only select one 17 year old. Ours was McGregor. Look it up we did a hell of alot than most teams.
I know that. I am now talking in present tense not past. Obviously Pav has not had a huge influence on the club, because Fremantle aren't as successful as they could be. Im happy with Kenny atm, but looking to the future, I would love to see both of them on our Half Foward line.
RogerRabbit69
29 May 2006, 10:07
Back to Pearce ......
Well, you win some, you lose some.
Saw Jarman predicted in this morning's paper that Pearce could be better than McLeod. I reckon that's a bit of a stretch.
Pearce has great speed and a wonderful work ethic but his finishing skills still need a bit of work IMO. Perhaps that will come with time.
PrideOf
29 May 2006, 10:36
Merge this thread with the other one where dyertribe is talking about how the crowd focusses on negatives all the time.
Yes, we missed Pearce. As has been pointed out, so did everyone else.
On the flip side, no-one thought Bock, Rutten or Mattner could play either yet we rookied them.
The draft is never going to be a place where you can claim 100% success. The rookie draft moreso. IMHO, just so long as we stay in the black and have more wins than losses at either the draft or trade table - then I'm happy. If that means we miss out on rookieing a Pearce but pick up a Rutten, so be it. I'd only be jumping on the recruiters if we make stuff-ups of the Angwin magnitude or the A McLeod for C Groom variety.
feenix67
29 May 2006, 14:40
Why cant we celebrate the VBs, Knights, Ruttens, Hentchells, McLeods, Ricciutos, Douglas's and every other good recruiting move we've made rather than thinking the grass is always greener ?
Jeez Mad Dog, Ayres has been gone for so long yet his reign still seems to be affecting you ;)
But I do agree with your sentiments....As for this thread, and some others lately, there seems to be a lot of monday experts on this board and a fair amount of negativity in general....call it nit picking.
Let's just be glad that the team is going well, the squad is playing for the jumper and we have some great youngsters coming through who, with the right guidance from our clearly talented and thorough coaching panel, should see our club continue to prosper in the future.
Mad Dog
29 May 2006, 15:43
Let's just be glad that the team is going well, the squad is playing for the jumper and we have some great youngsters coming through who, with the right guidance from our clearly talented and thorough coaching panel, should see our club continue to prosper in the future.
Amen to that....:thumbsu:
James23
29 May 2006, 16:42
Back to Pearce ......
Well, you win some, you lose some.
Saw Jarman predicted in this morning's paper that Pearce could be better than McLeod. I reckon that's a bit of a stretch.
Pearce has great speed and a wonderful work ethic but his finishing skills still need a bit of work IMO. Perhaps that will come with time.
surely hes not serious :D
RogerRabbit69
29 May 2006, 17:36
surely hes not serious :D
Yeah, I had to look twice.
I don't want to undersell Pearce - he's an exciting prospect.
But potentially better than McLeod??? That's a very big call.
Mad Dog
29 May 2006, 17:38
Yeah, I had to look twice.
I don't want to undersell Pearce - he's an exciting prospect.
But potentially better than McLeod??? That's a very big call.
I reckon Jars is just trying to get in the good books with the Port Power supporters....he's been pretty tough on them lately...:D
FWIW, we picked him up in the rookie draft. So there was plenty of chance for him to slip the net. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.
Hi Geoff, thanks for reading http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/footy/story_page/0,8747,19324360%255E21544,00.html
Ford Fairlane
1 Jun 2006, 09:09
Yeah, I had to look twice.
I don't want to undersell Pearce - he's an exciting prospect.
But potentially better than McLeod??? That's a very big call.
It's a brave prediction, but if you stack up their respective stats at AFL level at similar stages of their career, Pearce does pretty well.
Hi Geoff, thanks for reading http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/footy/story_page/0,8747,19324360%255E21544,00.html
I know Roach reads... some of his words and phrases used after the Richmond game were similar to posts on here.
Oh and I am sure I also likened Pearce to McLeod on the Port board after the showdown, I still stand by those claims
RogerRabbit69
1 Jun 2006, 17:50
I think Pearce is a very exciting young player and, on raw stats, he may well compare favourably to McLeod at the same stage. However, in my opinion, McLeod's pure footballing skills (even in his early days) outweigh those of Pearce.
The Crows Truth
1 Jun 2006, 22:54
I have been a very strong supporter of the Recruiting committee in recent years, but I do think they made a very poor error of judgement in not picking up Pearce.
It is my undersranding we gave up Pearce for one Ryan Nye.
Well Nye has gone nye nye, and Pearce continues to Pearce me off with his good football for the Power.
I suppose you cannot have every thing, but he would have been a valuable addition to our lineup.
we made a bad mistake here - in hindsight. thankfuly weve been getting lots more right than wrong lately :thumbsu:
Wayne's-World
1 Jun 2006, 23:09
we made a bad mistake here - in hindsight. thankfuly weve been getting lots more right than wrong lately :thumbsu:
To summarize this issue your right the good outweighs the bad.
There are just as many of the pearce type stories at EVERY club not just ours.
The Crows Truth
2 Jun 2006, 00:06
To summarize this issue your right the good outweighs the bad.
There are just as many of the pearce type stories at EVERY club not just ours.
exactly right. its not possible to get it 100% right all the time. perhaps it also indicates craigs reluctance to recruit certain types of players. As Septemberchokes loves to get himself worked up into a sweat by mentioning we seem to be stocking up on hard as nails types in the last 2 drafting periods.
Well we sure as hell got the Daniel Motlop one right in terms of choosing not waste our time and money on him.
Letting Port Power trade their first pick for that hack was the right decision.