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murphster
28 May 2006, 13:39
Our biggest downfall this year has been forward structure and poor disposal due to lack of confidence and not playing with more instinct, we have shown that when our confidence gets up and our disposal improves we are a very competitive team, actually i should say a competitive side because to be a team you have to use teamwork which we havn't done enough of by half, the list we have is good enough to win games as shown but only when a structure that they as young footballers can play to is used.

We need to have 2-3 talls in the forward line at all times and they need to be taught how to make space for each other and not run into each others leading zones, then we need Lappin and Betts in the pockets and they need to spend at least 85% of the game in the foreward 50 not running up onto the wings or playing as extra midfielders as that just confuses the midfield match ups and leaves loose defenders.

Now the most important part of the plan is the half forwards we need to put someone at CHF and leave them there for the whole game and not have them running up the ground into the midfield and into defence, now Whitnall would be the preferred option but we need him in defence and thats where he should play as he controls the movement in and out of the defensive 50 and organises the less experienced players into some semblance of order, therefore rather than giving Kennedy 5 minutes here and there plonk him at CHF and tell him to go nuts and take marks and then turn and get it inside 50 as fast as possible to a leading target not a stationary one.

Half forward flankers need to play as half forward flankers not roving midfielders that drift forward once in a blue moon, yesterday Adelaides half back line gathered 29, 29 and 34 disposals respectively, why? because they had no opponent because we had no half forward line at home on the half forward line where half forwards are supposed to play, they should push no further up the ground than centre and then when we are in possesion they can run back inside 50 and become targets instead of loose midfielders that clog up the centre of the ground and give us nothing to kick to at 50 - 75 out from goal accept there unmanned oponents.

Flankers should be quick medium sized players that are good overhead and that are good kicks Eg: Houlihan, Longmuir( Who should be in the side and playing whole games as midfielder/forward), Walker, Lappin and even Scotland and these players can be rotated through the middle of the ground as needed, these players are wasted in the back half of the ground as is Simpson, backline should be made up of dour hard at it players not skillfull damaging players, there skills should only require them to get it to the skillfull midfielders who can then run and carry, half back flankers should be Wiggens and Mcgrath with Whitnall at CHB these players should not be kicking the ball forward of center where there disposal will let them down 2 out of every 3 times.

Midfielders should be encouraged to run and break the lines by taking players on and under no circumstances should they be kicking to a stationary target, kicks that are less than 15-20 meters should be deliverd by hand to a player that is on the move not standing still, players should be running in lines to support the ball carrier and recieve the handball when necessary not just running around like headless chooks with no thought to there positioning for the handball or kick. And under no circumstances should they lose sight of there direct opponent to the extent that it takes them 5 minutes to find him on the rebound and only find him because he has just marked 35 out directly in front this is not acceptable and requires nothing more than using your flucking brain.

Simple traditional football with no complications and no loose opposition players is what is required at this time and with this list. The list is not that bad it just needs to be used in the right way and to the strengths of the list not to the strengths of the coaching staff. IMO the list should not be used as the excuse for our poor performances with the right strategies and game plans this list can win games and plenty of them, it is time to play to our strengths and at least play more younger players that have room to grow instead of players that have already reached there potential.:thumbsu:

Go the Mosquito Fleet!!!!!

TheBlueblood
28 May 2006, 20:48
Great post!!!! Someone send it to pagan and his cronies!!!!:thumbsu:

bluegal1983
28 May 2006, 21:16
I agree 100%!!! (except for Longmuir playing in the side)

Hoooooray, somebody else can see sense! Play to our strengths!!! Defensive footy does not suit and that was proven yesterday. Lance gave us another target in the foward line before half time yesterday. The Blues took advantage of an attacking style of play and got within 21 points. After the half time break, Lance lines up at CHB, the boys play defensive again and go down by more than 10 goals. WAKE UP DENIS!!!

murphster
29 May 2006, 11:49
Great post!!!! Someone send it to pagan and his cronies!!!!:thumbsu:

Thanks but a waste of time sending it to someone that knows everything there is to know abouty footy and can't be told anything.:thumbsu:

parrot
29 May 2006, 12:24
.......Simple traditional football with no complications and no loose opposition players is what is required at this time and with this list. The list is not that bad it just needs to be used in the right way and to the strengths of the list not to the strengths of the coaching staff. IMO the list should not be used as the excuse for our poor performances with the right strategies and game plans this list can win games and plenty of them, it is time to play to our strengths and at least play more younger players that have room to grow instead of players that have already reached there potential.....

Some valid points. The players are obviously down on confidence, but adopting tactics to prevent major blow-outs rather than win games sends a terrible message to our younger players in particular. There is ability there e.g. 2nd ¼ V Crows. I would be quite happy to cop 2 100+ point losses if we played our more talented younger players, played them in their correct positions, played them for most of the game, allowed them to back themselves, and adopted an all out attacking approach. Man-on-man footy is grossly under-rated at present. The current ultra-defensive tactics don’t achieve anything, and are detrimental in the long run. Need to instil some faith and confidence into this developing side. Out Sporn, Teague, Prenda. In Russell, Bryan, Flint or Jackson. Bower and Hartlett must be played latter as well. :)

saint13
29 May 2006, 12:33
Some valid points. The players are obviously down on confidence, but adopting tactics to prevent major blow-outs rather than win games sends a terrible message to our younger players in particular. There is ability there e.g. 2nd ¼ V Crows. I would be quite happy to cop 2 100+ point losses if we played our more talented younger players, played them in their correct positions, played them for most of the game, allowed them to back themselves, and adopted an all out attacking approach. Man-on-man footy is grossly under-rated at present. The current ultra-defensive tactics don’t achieve anything, and are detrimental in the long run. Need to instil some faith and confidence into this developing side. Out Sporn, Teague, Prenda. In Russell, Bryan, Flint or Jackson. Bower and Hartlett must be played latter as well. :)

good to see flint named in the best for the bullies on the weekend:thumbsu:

parrot
29 May 2006, 13:10
good to see flint named in the best for the bullies on the weekend:thumbsu:

Assuming Flint can be promoted from the Rookie list (which I think he can), can you think of any reason why you'd play someone like Teague instead of Flint? :)

BlueWorld
29 May 2006, 13:38
Assuming Flint can be promoted from the Rookie list (which I think he can), can you think of any reason why you'd play someone like Teague instead of Flint? :)

How can he be promoted?

irish_setanta
29 May 2006, 14:24
Assuming Flint can be promoted from the Rookie list (which I think he can), can you think of any reason why you'd play someone like Teague instead of Flint? :)

Unfortunately he cant be promoted unless we have a long term injury (over 10 weeks i think) Maybe someone could take a baseball bat to Teague, Sporn and a few others.That way we could promote all our rookies, who im sure would play for there lifes if given the chance, unlike some players who are just going through the motions.

SA Blue
29 May 2006, 17:57
There is a lot of interesting points made here, but there are some concerns.

JK can't be expected to hold down CHF. He is far too young to be doing this. Waite even if he is back, isn't really a CHF. His role this year and next, should be to learn his craft and bulk up.

I do like the idea of loading up forward more.

As for our half forwards, I think the Swans have one of the best forward structures in the business. Players like O'Keffe really offer that hard running and leading target we need. Along with the Buchanan, Schneider types. Houls and Longmuir could't hold a candle to these guys.

A backline should never just be made of hard at it dour types. The one thing we should have learnt from Adelaide is that half back line should filled with accountable, hard running skillful types. The likes of McLeod, Johncock, Edwards, Hart are the type of players we should have there.

The midfield at the moment, I think, is not capable of the breaking the lines constructive run we need. I agree, it would be great to have it, but easier said than done. This is our biggest problem. Too often things go wrong for us here and it stuffs up all the other areas.

While I think we can be playing better than what we are, I don't the current list is capable of much more. Given time and more experience for the young kids (JK, Walks, JR, Murph etc), more talent and skill in the midfield, and some KPP down back, I think we can get there. I think we are fooling ourselves if we think we can achieve more that a bottom 4 finish this year.

Very happy to be proven wrong though!

SA Blue
29 May 2006, 18:05
There is a lot of interesting points made here, but there are some concerns.

JK can't be expected to hold down CHF. He is far too young to be doing this. Waite even if he is back, isn't really a CHF. His role this year and next, should be to learn his craft and bulk up.

I do like the idea of loading up forward more.

As for our half forwards, I think the Swans have one of the best forward structures in the business. Players like O'Keffe really offer that hard running and leading target we need. Along with the Buchanan, Schneider types. Houls and Longmuir could't hold a candle to these guys.

A backline should never just be made of hard at it dour types. The one thing we should have learnt from Adelaide is that half back line should filled with accountable, hard running skillful types. The likes of McLeod, Johncock, Edwards, Hart are the type of players we should have there.

The midfield at the moment, I think, is not capable of the breaking the lines constructive run we need. I agree, it would be great to have it, but easier said than done. This is our biggest problem. Too often things go wrong for us here and it stuffs up all the other areas.

While I think we can be playing better than what we are, I don't the current list is capable of much more. Given time and more experience for the young kids (JK, Walks, JR, Murph etc), more talent and skill in the midfield, and some KPP down back, I think we can get there. I think we are fooling ourselves if we think we can achieve more that a bottom 4 finish this year.

Very happy to be proven wrong though!

murphster
30 May 2006, 13:21
There is a lot of interesting points made here, but there are some concerns.

JK can't be expected to hold down CHF. He is far too young to be doing this. Waite even if he is back, isn't really a CHF. His role this year and next, should be to learn his craft and bulk up.

I do like the idea of loading up forward more.

As for our half forwards, I think the Swans have one of the best forward structures in the business. Players like O'Keffe really offer that hard running and leading target we need. Along with the Buchanan, Schneider types. Houls and Longmuir could't hold a candle to these guys.

A backline should never just be made of hard at it dour types. The one thing we should have learnt from Adelaide is that half back line should filled with accountable, hard running skillful types. The likes of McLeod, Johncock, Edwards, Hart are the type of players we should have there.
The midfield at the moment, I think, is not capable of the breaking the lines constructive run we need. I agree, it would be great to have it, but easier said than done. This is our biggest problem. Too often things go wrong for us here and it stuffs up all the other areas.

While I think we can be playing better than what we are, I don't the current list is capable of much more. Given time and more experience for the young kids (JK, Walks, JR, Murph etc), more talent and skill in the midfield, and some KPP down back, I think we can get there. I think we are fooling ourselves if we think we can achieve more that a bottom 4 finish this year.

Very happy to be proven wrong though!

I agree that you should use skillfull, accountable hard running types across half back but unfortunately we at Carlton do not have enough of them and therefore the ones we do have need to be used forward of centre where we can get the most value from them, Wiggens and Mcgrath are both accountable and at times hard running but they do lack skill but then again someone like Houlihan or Scotland have the hard running and skillful parts but severely lack accountability which is why they should be used in a more attacking role and this is my point, i was after all reffering to Carltons list not Adelaides or anyone elses.

As for Kennedy we have no other options at this point so he should be given the game time to see one way or another, he does not have to be a Hall or Brown he just needs to provide a target and take some marks which he is more than capable of, just having him there occupying a defender is all we need to free up Fevola, players should be encouraged to look for the best target not just kick it to Fevola every time, as this will put doubts in the defenders minds as to where the ball will be kicked, as long as he provides a target and a contest this is all that is required at this stage in his and the clubs development.

We need to have players inside 50 to take other defenders away from Fevola rather than having 3 defenders all concentrating on stopping Fev, this happened with great success in the second Quarter against Adelaide but after half time we went back to a 2-3 man forward line which gave Adelaide exactly what they wanted in the sense that they knew exactly where the ball was going when kicked forward and there loose half forwards just swept it back out again.:thumbsu:

Go the Mosquito Fleet!!!!!!!!!!