Draft stuff

[Cursed_Cat]

now that our supposed big year is in pieces, the only thing of any real interest to me is to see how we go about fixing some of the glaring problems for *sigh* next year

the additon of Tom Hawkins to the list is going to be a real bonus, but who else are we likely to nab in the draft given that we now look like getting a relatively early pick ??

Also, is it worth considering trading any of our under-performing players for more selections in the draft in order to 're-build' as quickly as possible given that this upcoming draft is by all reports a ripper ?

currently, after 9 relatively miserable rounds we sit a laughable 12th ...

that's good enough for 5th pick - so who should we be targeting, and who will still be available ??

my early thoughts, if things remain as they are :

Ess - L. Hansen - best available ??
Car - M. Thorp - better KPP than Josh Kennedy from all reports, and Carlton need everthing - they might as well start with the spine
Kang - S. Gumbleton - or whichever of the KF's are left
Port - B. Gibbs - cop that Crows
Geel - bugger, as usual all the good 'uns are gone ... well not this year !!
If the aforementioned 5 were already gawn, there'd still be some very enticing prospects; among them, and definitely worth considering, are both James Sellar, a mobile, strong athletic ruckman, and Leroy Jetta, a pacy excitement machine ...
to my mind, either of these would be excellent additions.
Having said that, if any of Hansen, Gumbleton or Thorp were to slip through to our selecton, they'd have to come under serious consideration given our KF problems ....

If we nabbed Sellar, we'd have then grabbed *two* very promising young talls; potentially a better duo than the King/Ottens combo that never even got going

If we got hold of Leroy Jetta, we'd have the fun of watching him, Travis Varcoe and Kane Tenace scooting around in the hoops ...

btw, I also like the sound of young Falcon Sheringham (Jack ?), he'd be a nice second round pick-up *if* we can trade into the 2nd round (as Hawkins has accounted for our 2nd round selection already at this stage ..) - pacy, good user of the ball and very proactive in the way he plays ....

anyway, thoughts and idea would be welcomed :-)

[ablettjnr]

btw, I also like the sound of young Falcon Sheringham (Jack ?), he'd be a nice second round pick-up *if* we can trade into the 2nd round (as Hawkins has accounted for our 2nd round selection already at this stage ..) - pacy, good user of the ball and very proactive in the way he plays ....

anyway, thoughts and idea would be welcomed :-)
Hawkins will be taken with our third round pick, I think.

[9 Lives]

Hawkins will be taken with our third round pick, I think.


yep! only have to sacrifice a 3rd round pick- a bargain!

[Cursed_Cat]

a third round pick eh ?

like you guys said, bonus !!

thanks for the correction :-)

[jacke]

now that our supposed big year is in pieces, the only thing of any real interest to me is to see how we go about fixing some of the glaring problems for *sigh* next year

the additon of Tom Hawkins to the list is going to be a real bonus, but who else are we likely to nab in the draft given that we now look like getting a relatively early pick ??

Also, is it worth considering trading any of our under-performing players for more selections in the draft in order to 're-build' as quickly as possible given that this upcoming draft is by all reports a ripper ?

currently, after 9 relatively miserable rounds we sit a laughable 12th ...

that's good enough for 5th pick - so who should we be targeting, and who will still be available ??

my early thoughts, if things remain as they are :

Ess - L. Hansen - best available ??
Car - M. Thorp - better KPP than Josh Kennedy from all reports, and Carlton need everthing - they might as well start with the spine
Kang - S. Gumbleton - or whichever of the KF's are left
Port - B. Gibbs - cop that Crows
Geel - bugger, as usual all the good 'uns are gone ... well not this year !!
If the aforementioned 5 were already gawn, there'd still be some very enticing prospects; among them, and definitely worth considering, are both James Sellar, a mobile, strong athletic ruckman, and Leroy Jetta, a pacy excitement machine ...
to my mind, either of these would be excellent additions.
Having said that, if any of Hansen, Gumbleton or Thorp were to slip through to our selecton, they'd have to come under serious consideration given our KF problems ....

If we nabbed Sellar, we'd have then grabbed *two* very promising young talls; potentially a better duo than the King/Ottens combo that never even got going

If we got hold of Leroy Jetta, we'd have the fun of watching him, Travis Varcoe and Kane Tenace scooting around in the hoops ...

btw, I also like the sound of young Falcon Sheringham (Jack ?), he'd be a nice second round pick-up *if* we can trade into the 2nd round (as Hawkins has accounted for our 2nd round selection already at this stage ..) - pacy, good user of the ball and very proactive in the way he plays ....

anyway, thoughts and idea would be welcomed :-)
Just need players who can confidently lead, take their share of marks and kick 50 -60 m at the goals when the ball gets within the 50 m mark.
Any recruit has to be able to kick 60 m accurately whether a back, mid-fielder, on baller or forward. Simple eh!

[Turbocat]

As much as Id like Jetta, If we had a chance to get one of this group of talls to match Hawkins , we finally have the tall talent to match the likes of a fit Saints side. Who knows about the order. Every year someone comes from nowhere and someone drops thru. Mitch Clarke last year was floated at times as being #1 yet after illness he dropped to 9.

The one thing I agree with is the comment by Jacke, any tall must be a finisher.Apparently Hawkins can kick well so another who can break zoned forwardlines with 60 kicks would be a fine addition.

The thing is , I wouldnt be counting on any of these talls just yet. The Cats have a history winning just enough games to go and stuff themselves at both ends of the season.

[The Hulkster]

Here are Mojo's top 5 atm he seems to know what he is talking about.

1) Lachlan Hansen

Key Position player

195cms and 84kgs
17/8/88
Gippsland Power (TAC)

Tall key position player who is a very good mover. Played CHF early in the TAC and moved back to CHB for the 2nd half of last year. Dominated his opponents and marked everything that came his way. Skinny still but wont shirk the issue. Freak at his age and size. Best overall mark I have ever seen for his age. Superb judge of the flight of the ball and has a first class attack on everything in the air. Rarely out bodied even though he is still skinny. Beat stronger opponents in the TAC with superior body positioning and judgement.
Sometimes funny watching him anticipate the kick into the forward line quicker than his opponent when playing as a defender. Would be off and running before his opponent had even moved and take an easy uncontested mark from a opposition kick. Was the “wall” when playing at CHB.

Will likely play forward in 2006 and see how he develops. Shown enough to suggest he can play both ends and become a dominant KPP capable of playing anywhere in the 4 key posts if required.
As he fills out will likely change his style a little and use his body more and more rather than standing off his opponent a few meters and using superior anticipation and leap and body positioning to beat the opponent.
That is not to say he is an outside player at all. He just understand his game and realises that there is no point to getting into a wrestling match against some players who are much heavier and stronger than he was in 2005. Sort of like Dustin Fletchers style. Who does not do well in wrestling contests and gets slaughtered against bigger stronger opponents when caught out in that way (Sav Rocca and J Brown come to mind who seem to beat him to the point where Sheedy won’t play him on them now). The difference is that Hansen is 16 and will be filling out and won’t have to play that way in a few years.

Runs a very high beep test and has very good endurance, speed, and is a freak athletic package for his size. Showed his class at the U18 Championships despite being a year younger and looked up to speed and class at CHB. Should be dominant this year in the TAC and at the U18s and show what he is made of at CHF.

Got better and better as the season went on and was taking a lot of contested marks and getting a lot of the ball in the last few games of the TAC finals. A quite capable ruckman as well who got a number of hit outs and its not inconceivable that he will grow quite a bit more and develop into a ruck in time. He can tap to advantage and has a very big leap. A player who started out last year as an athletic tall who was struggling a bit and ended it as a dominant key backman who got more and more involved in the play and get stronger and more capable of controlling the corridor. Plays the game like Chad Cornes back there peeling off and taking strong marks. But has the added advantage of being able to play tight as well when needed but will still be prepared to back himself in to win the ball. Has all the instincts of a gun forward but needed to round out his development by playing as an attacking defender in 2005 and now is ready for a move forward for the upcoming season.





2) Bryce Gibbs

Utility/wing

187cms and 78kgs
15/3/89
Glenelg (SA)

Has some athletic ability but is more a natural footballer rather than an athlete. Quick over the ground but not lightning. Good build and superb kicking skills and ability to read the play and find space. Playing senior football in the SANFL for Glenelg last year. As well as played the U16 Championships in 2004 and 2005 for South Australia.

Half forward flanker and midfielder who will kick goals and play all over the ground. Better in 1 on 1 contests and in open spaces rather than in congestion in packs. Such a smooth mover he appears to not be quick but is football quick with anticipation. Does everything so easily that appears to not be at 100%. The “Mark Waugh” of next years draft with his grace and nonchalance.
Absolute lock in cant miss selection for anyone who nabs him. Not sure he will become a bona fide pure midfielder but as a creative player who will kick goals and cut teams apart if given space and time.
Been tagged in the SANFL and shown himself to be mentally and physically up to that challenge. Niggling tactics don’t seem to bother him and regardless of the game situation will run and create an option.
Would like to see more tackling from him and a little bit more urgency at times.

Cant really find fault overall with him. For his age he has a complete game. 187cms and of course still growing and might pinch hit as a KPP when finished.
Has some football arrogance and is prepared to back his judgement and ability and take a player on and also attempt a difficult kick. Wont just play the percentages and I like that about him. Not robotic by any means and is a natural sportsmen with outstanding hand eye co-ordination, balance and poise.
Quite physically developed despite his young age and perhaps he does not have as much improvement in him in that regard as others. But he is classy and silky and just keeps getting the ball and doing the right things with it.

The small question I have on him is not how good he is but rather his development. Looking at him in the 2004 U16s he looked amazing but in 2005 he really did not look like he had improved that much. A similar size still and not significantly better. I am a little concerned that he has peaked early and what we might be seeing is a player who is ready at a young age and might get caught later on by other players who are still developing at a rapid rate. I am not sure and its hard to know but have him at 2 still and will watch him this year closely. I see him as a long term wingman who will take a strong mark and look to set up goals with his ability to find space and kick to advantage. Such a good user that he is deadly delivering the ball into the forward line and will be hard to match up on with a player who can run with him and also match his considerable strength in the air.

3) Mitchell Thorp

Key position player

25/12/88
195cms and 84kgs
Northern Bombers, Tasmania

Explosive key position player from Tasmania. Fast and very mobile and has agility and running ability. Played all over the place and shown himself to be versatile and basically up to all the roles he has been given.
That includes being switched from full back to full forward in an U18 Championships game and having the poise and temprement to handle it.

Takes a big mark in pack situations and also in 1 on 1. Good kick for goal and in general play and has fine skills. No real weaknesses in his game and could develop in any of the 4 key positions down the spine. Reads the play well and is not often caught being out of position. An athlete who has football smarts and skill. Therefore is the complete package.

We are talking about Chris Tarrant levels of athleticism when considering Thorp. Add to that a far superior kick and especially for goal and likely extra height, versatility and barely 17 and we have a huge prospect.

Moved him from 4 to 3 on the my latest thoughts. I think he could be the overall best athlete out of the upcoming draft for his size along with the smaller Clinton Benjamin . Has real burst speed to get out on his own on the lead or shut a player down quickly when playing as a defender. Can really take a huge leap and has very good endurance. Basically a Nick Riewoldt type of player with that same speed and endurance and leap that he has. Not proven to be quite in that class yet but should do so this year and stamp himself as a genuine versatile gun tall. Not sure where his best position is and have seen him dominate up forward and take a number of huge pack marks and kick a bag of goals as well as play as a defender. Taking all the kick outs and looking very composed and directing traffic and showing leadership. Then moves around like a wing man and picks the ball up off the ground like a midfielder with clean hands and runs and carries the ball. So really the club who gets him is getting a player who can play anywhere on the ground and develop him how they want. He has everything that is needed to be a quality player with real flair and match winning ability.

4) Scott Gumbleton

Centre half forward

195cms and 87 kgs
3/8/88
Peel Thunder (WA)

Very strong contested mark and would think that he is the best exponent of that out of all the kids available in the next draft.
Skinny but is surprisingly strong and powerful and uses his body so well as a forward. A physical player who plays the corridor and has presence on the field.
Demands the ball and likes to play in front and at his size and possessing a good leap he is hard to stop once he does take front position.
Presents well and seems to have a good tank and a fine work ethic. Very good converter in front of goal and has a sound kicking technique and overall is a very good kick.
Athletic rather than bulky but has a big frame and will not have a problem putting on the size required to become a key position player in the AFL.
Not really seen him play down back and it is as a centre half forward that he will be judged and play most of his career it seems.
Showed his talent at the U18s Champs where he was as good as any big man on the ground even though he was a year younger than most of them. Good enough to keep Josh Kennedy out of the Key forward position for WA in the recent U18 Championships.
Has very good agility and covers a lot of ground but does his best work in contested situations rather than taking easy marks out wide.

Would liken him to Josh Kennedy only more athletic and an even better mark. Same work rate, physicality and competitiveness and around the same size even though he is 1 year younger. Looked superb at the U16 Championships in 2004 and dominated at that level. Disposals, contested marks and won the hard ball on the ground as well. Played very well in the WAFL and kicked a lot of goals and again showed how good a mark he was and his fierce his attack on the ball was. Good second efforts and is good at winning the ball on the ground and does not fumble when doing so.
Anybody who saw him at the 2005 U18 Championships saw him play below his best. He has an injury to his arm and he was not comfortable in his marking or handling of the ball. Presented and worked but his normally sure ball handling was not quite there. He will be better this year when fully fit and show why he is the best key forward available in the draft. Others might be slightly in front as far as overall players but he is the safest best for a key forward out of anyone.


5) James Sellar

Ruck/Key forward

195cms and 86kgs
24/3/89
Glenelg

South Australian player who was named best player at the U16 Championships.
Very smooth and moves like a key position player. Very high work rate and involves himself in the play. Contests well around the ground and is capable of playing a key position up forward. Good skills and does not any of the awkwardness of most ruckmen in dropping the ball from hand to foot.
Plays like a ruck but moves like a key position. Athletic and is in good in contested situations. Has a fine touch by hand in directing the ball down in the ruck and a good awareness of how to use his body and where to deliver to his midfielders.

Wiry frame, not bulky but quite strong and should not have problems putting on weight. Big leap, good speed and a natural athlete. Does not lack aggression and hardness at the ball. Pretty reasonable below his feet. The complete package.
He directs his taps well to his midfielders and you can see he is natural with what he is doing. Capable of doing it with either hand and also something that a lot of ruck cannot do in winning his own ball on the ground. Tapping it down and recovering quickly and roving it and getting a quick handball off.

The worry will be his height. Will he grow the 3 or 4 cms he needs to be a full time ruck at AFL level or stay at that in between size he is now. If he does grow a lot then he moves right up onto number 1 contention. He could make it as a key position forward if he does not as he is athletic enough but prefer him in the ruck roaming around the ground. The new ruck rules seem to be favouring the giants and has to be a question mark on Sellar that will not be resolved until draft camp and official testing.

If he does grow to close to 2 meters then Sellar is looking at a more physical and athletic version of Josh Fraser. Better in contested situations and a more robust body and having more speed. Likely be able to handle the rigours of AFL better than Fraser has so far in his career.
I believe his rating will be determined by the draft camp results on his height and reach. I don’t think he will slip out of the top 5 but whether he goes at 5 or 1 will be determined by how much he grows. As a ruck you could not hope for anyone more athletic who can also play tall and take a big mark and read the play.

[Unwritten_Law]

The thing is , I wouldnt be counting on any of these talls just yet. The Cats have a history winning just enough games to go and stuff themselves at both ends of the season.

We will finish 8th. We will rediscover the form just in time to slip into the 8 and make a mini run in the finals to no avail. Backslaps all round. :D:D:D:D draft picks. No personnel changes. Suit up for more disappointment next year.

[Cursed_Cat]

hey I'm as pessimistic as the next Cats fan, but I personally don't think we're 'bouncing back' to win enough games to make the 8, in fact I can't really see us getting much higher than our present position - we're currently the rest of the AFL's bitches, I would not be at all suprised if the Bombers kick our arse in rd. 11 ...
which is all pretty shameful, *but* I *do* reckon we'll be getting a pick no lower than #7 this draft - just my opinion of course ... but if I was Wells and co I'd be weighing up the pros and cons of this year's upper bracket young guns, 'cuz I reckon we're in for a shot at nabbing someone half decent ...

if we were to trade James Kelly or Stephen Johnson, we might even be able to grab another first round selection, but that's a debate for another thread ;)

[year of the cat]

We have to get one of those talls no ifs buts or maybes. To have say a Thorpe and a Hawkins would allow you to form a solid base for the next ten years. On-ballers are more easy to come by and besides I reckon we are pretty well stocked in that regard anyway - Corey, Bartel, Kelly, Enright, Tenace, Varcoe, Ling (though he really needs to reinvent himself), Ablett, Chapman are all under 25yrs of age. Scarlett will be around for another 5-6 years. Egan should develop in to a useful key position backman.

As mentioned in other threads, we should have a fall this year (ala Brisbane before their dynasty started) and I am very confident we would be a real challanger in the next couple of years.

Concerns are still there with our ruck department - King is struggling as is Ottens (though he has been better this year in my opinion than many in the media make out). The jury is out on Blake. In addition to using the next draft to gain talls as has been mentioned earlier enticing Meeson back from Adelaide via a trade.

[finrod]

I personally think we should be looking for long-term replacements for Milburn and Harley/Scarlett...

[Cursed_Cat]

We have to get one of those talls no ifs buts or maybes. To have say a Thorpe and a Hawkins would allow you to form a solid base for the next ten years. On-ballers are more easy to come by and besides I reckon we are pretty well stocked in that regard anyway - Corey, Bartel, Kelly, Enright, Tenace, Varcoe, Ling (though he really needs to reinvent himself), Ablett, Chapman are all under 25yrs of age. Scarlett will be around for another 5-6 years. Egan should develop in to a useful key position backman.

As mentioned in other threads, we should have a fall this year (ala Brisbane before their dynasty started) and I am very confident we would be a real challanger in the next couple of years.

Concerns are still there with our ruck department - King is struggling as is Ottens (though he has been better this year in my opinion than many in the media make out). The jury is out on Blake. In addition to using the next draft to gain talls as has been mentioned earlier enticing Meeson back from Adelaide via a trade.

Year of the Cat, you're one of the few Cats fans to see things my way so far, I've been floating this talk for a while - we can finish no higher than about 12th if we want one of those four talls (Hansen, Thorp, Gumbleton or Sellar)
- if we do finish higher, I'd be most willing to trade to move up higher in the draft to enable us to grab one of these four ....

I agree that with the addition of Tom Hawkins, another KPP/ruckman would go a long way to building a foundation for the next generation of Catters ...

I like the sounds of young Jackson Sheringham from the Falcons as far as a second round pick goes, younger brother of our rookie-listed Tim Sheringham ... quick and a good ball user ...

[year of the cat]

Year of the Cat, you're one of the few Cats fans to see things my way so far, I've been floating this talk for a while - we can finish no higher than about 12th if we want one of those four talls (Hansen, Thorp, Gumbleton or Sellar)
- if we do finish higher, I'd be most willing to trade to move up higher in the draft to enable us to grab one of these four ....

I agree that with the addition of Tom Hawkins, another KPP/ruckman would go a long way to building a foundation for the next generation of Catters ...

I like the sounds of young Jackson Sheringham from the Falcons as far as a second round pick goes, younger brother of our rookie-listed Tim Sheringham ... quick and a good ball user ...


As has been evident in the last few weeks both D.Johnson and Wojcinski are not performing the small backman role terribly well. Whilst I reckon Tim Callan is a talent that should be tried for the rest of the year, we do need another medium sized mobile backman (look at Collingwood who have Ben Johnson, Lockyer, and now Dane Swan who floats back as well). I don't know much about Sheringham other than he figures pretty regularly in the best players for the falcons.

[Live in hope]

This is a really good thread - great research (I'm almost hoping we get bottom 5 just reading it ... well, almost).

As you seem to have the information - what is the prognosis on Couch (in the Falcons) ?? Good enough for a second round pick ?(presume he is a father/son, or am I wrong?)

[Reg Hickey]

Young Couchy is the son of the garbologist and therefore in line for a father son, but the word is not quite up to second round at the moment unless he does a lot of special things between now and the draft.

[Cursed_Cat]

young Couch has apparently played one or two eye-catching games this year, might be worth a rookie list spot ?
If he can use the ball anything like his old man that's a good starting point - Paul Couch was exceptional by foot, one of the best kick's I've seen at Geelong since I've been watching them ...

[ripitup27]

Tim Brown, Jonathans little brother, could be a decent pick up. Played against him and he was ok, but with some work could be a very handy player.

Shaun Grigg, handy all rounder, can play everyone and coming of age.

James Hicks. Overlooked kpp that is kicking arse at club level. Only seventeen, has skill speed and knowledge of the game beyond nearly anyone at Geelong. All he needs is muscle and that boy will play AFL. Work in progress.

[Cats!!]

Can someone tell me all the father-son picks available to us this year? and which ones we are thinking about picking up?

[Reg Hickey]

Can someone tell me all the father-son picks available to us this year? and which ones we are thinking about picking up?

Hawkins we have already wrapped up, because he is a gun
Couch - as I said before, not rated highly enough at this stage
Apparently Toby Bairstow is also eligible, although I haven't heard anything about him since an article in the paper last year

Others:
Jacob Neal?
Adam Donohue?
Baxter Mensch is still a few years short, although I hear that on talent alone he takes after his old man - would be top 5 this year ... !!

[Turbocat]

Can someone tell me all the father-son picks available to us this year? and which ones we are thinking about picking up?

For a couple of reasons , Tommy "The Gun" Hawkins , will almost ceratinly be the only Father Son taken this year.

For a start lets understand the current F/S rules. 100 games played by the father. Ist son taken in the year will cost a Round 3 pick , a 2nd son will cost a Round 2 pick.

It has been floated that this may change , rather than a set amount a club may be asked to pay with their Round pick closest to the Sons percieved value.

There is a general consensus that Hawkins is a quality kid , maybe even worth a R1 pick in this super draft year. He maust be taken this year , under todays rules or who knows what it will cost down the track.

The other Sons -Jacob Neal and Tom Couch would cost an earlier pick than R3 to take.This year more than any other , the kids would have to be outsatnding to use an R2 pick on a Father Son. In fact better eyes than mine have put forward that they would be borderline picks at best, maybe Rookies.The thing is Father Son doesn't work that way .. yet.

Id say , if the Cats think they show enough to say they might have something they could be give them a year in the VFL as top up players in 07 without them nominating. If they show they can perform at that level, lets see what they will cost us in the 07 draft,almost for sure a weak draft after this year drains the talent.

[GeeCat]

Couch - as I said before, not rated highly enough at this stage

Wouldn't write him off just yet.

Apparently Toby Bairstow is also eligible, although I haven't heard anything about him since an article in the paper last year

Eligible, but staying back in WA this year (attempt at cracking the Perth team in '07).

Jacob Neal?

Eligible, but unlikely (moreso than Couch I'd argue at this stage). Size will hurt him.

Adam Donohue?

Eligible next year.

[Lingsface]

Toby Bairstow not gonna happen is playing country football still isnt even having a crack at wafl level.

[Cattas2006]

imagine our side next year if we get some good talent...

B: Hunt Scarlett Egan
HB: Milburn Harely Enright
C: Varcoe Kelly Tenance
HF: G.Ablett Hawkins Chapman
F: S.Johnson N.Ablett Ottens
R: King Corey Bartel

Int: Playfair, Mooney, Rooke, Stokes

EM: Byrnes, Wojinski, Callan, Sellar

Drop Ling, get rid of him.. he is slow and useless..
Kent.. about the same.. useless..
Gardiner ... omg.. dont start me
Ricco - Retired.. great player :-D
Slade - No space on the list
Sheringham - no good
Sam Hunt - good bye
Spencer.. argh no good

[costanza23]

Either '07 or '08:

B: Hunt, Scarlett, Milburn
HB: Enright, Egan, Mooney
C: Varcoe, Rooke, Tenace
HF: G. Ablett, Hawkins, Kelly
F: S. Johnson, N. Ablett, Chapman
R: Ottens, Corey, Bartel

Int: Playfair, Ling, Prismall, Stokes

Emg: Byrnes, Wojcinski, D. Johnson

Gone by then: King, Harley, Riccardi (all retired - King & Harley injuries)
Who knows what is going to happen with Kingsley, but I like the Nablett FF / Hawkins CHF thing.

[year of the cat]

Either '07 or '08:

B: Hunt, Scarlett, Milburn
HB: Enright, Egan, Mooney
C: Varcoe, Rooke, Tenace
HF: G. Ablett, Hawkins, Kelly
F: S. Johnson, N. Ablett, Chapman
R: Ottens, Corey, Bartel

Int: Playfair, Ling, Prismall, Stokes

Emg: Byrnes, Wojcinski, D. Johnson

Gone by then: King, Harley, Riccardi (all retired - King & Harley injuries)
Who knows what is going to happen with Kingsley, but I like the Nablett FF / Hawkins CHF thing.


Forget that team - if we finish bottom five this year then we pick up another gun tall.

B: Jackson Sheringham (2nd round) Scarlett Milburn
HB: Enright Harley Egan
c: Tenace Bartel Kelly
HF: Chapman Hawkins (FS) S.Johnson
F: Varcoe Gumbleton (1st round) N.Ablett

Foll: Ottens Corey G.Ablett

Int: Prismall Mooney Rooke Hunt (?)

We finally have the two gun key forwards we have been looking for since Ablett, Stoneham and Brownless!!!

[Cursed_Cat]

Forget that team - if we finish bottom five this year then we pick up another gun tall.

B: Jackson Sheringham (2nd round) Scarlett Milburn
HB: Enright Harley Egan
c: Tenace Bartel Kelly
HF: Chapman Hawkins (FS) S.Johnson
F: Varcoe Gumbleton (1st round) N.Ablett

Foll: Ottens Corey G.Ablett

Int: Prismall Mooney Rooke Hunt (?)

We finally have the two gun key forwards we have been looking for since Ablett, Stoneham and Brownless!!!

now *that's* what I'm talkin' bout YOTC - grab a decent tall ffs GFC !!
no point in salvaging any 'pride' now, that was gone weeks ago - for once do something half-right and play the kids all the way to the cellar in '06 - then load up with some quality youngsters - hopefully a couple with leadership skills too ...

and btw, NO Hunt :thumbsd: ;) Enright could be on borrowed time too imo ...

CHF may be a bit much for Atlas Hawkins in his first year of AFL, but then again he could NOT do any worse than the current crop of talls we've paraded around ....

CC's '07 GFC dream team :

B : Milburn Scarlett Harley
HB : Prismall Egan Rooke
C : Varcoe Bartel Tenace
HF : Johnson Mooney Chapman
F : G. Ablett N. Ablett Hawkins
R : Ottens Corey Kelly
I/C : Blake Wojcinski Hansen/Sellar/Gumbleton/Thorp Jackson Sheringham

[Cattas2006]

well when i look at our list, there could be up to 10 changes this season.. including rookies...

Rookies... All go.. all no good.. and with the super draft coming up, good kids will be available in this years rookie draft. Maybe Keep Grima..

Gone..
Batchelor
Sam Hunt
Sheringham
Will Slade - sorry no spot on the list for ya :(

Now, senior players..
Gardiner - woeful ...
Spencer - too slow
Ricarrdi - too old, good player but time to hang the boots up old son.
Lonergan - Good VFL player.. but thats it
Ling - too slow, and you have red hair.. haha
Koulo - tough decision. but, your not going to make it matey..

Borderline pass -
S.Johnson - this kid has talent, he will get there.. freak at times..
McCarthy - yes he hasn;t played much, but dont give up on this kid, he can mark, and i think he might step up soon..
Kingsley - would only be keeped because bomber loves him.. just like ling wont go because he is bombers love child.

Thats like 5-6 senior spots.. ( not sure if batchelor takes up a spot on the senior list because he is nominated????
and 5 rooke list places..
5-6 new players from the " super draft " .. 3-4 of them gun top 50 picks..
5 rookes that are good but need time..

New looking list for geelong!

[Cursed_Cat]

well when i look at our list, there could be up to 10 changes this season.. including rookies...

Rookies... All go.. all no good.. and with the super draft coming up, good kids will be available in this years rookie draft. Maybe Keep Grima..

Gone..
Batchelor
Sam Hunt
Sheringham
Will Slade - sorry no spot on the list for ya :(

Now, senior players..
Gardiner - woeful ...
Spencer - too slow
Ricarrdi - too old, good player but time to hang the boots up old son.
Lonergan - Good VFL player.. but thats it
Ling - too slow, and you have red hair.. haha
Koulo - tough decision. but, your not going to make it matey..

Borderline pass -
S.Johnson - this kid has talent, he will get there.. freak at times..
McCarthy - yes he hasn;t played much, but dont give up on this kid, he can mark, and i think he might step up soon..
Kingsley - would only be keeped because bomber loves him.. just like ling wont go because he is bombers love child.

Thats like 5-6 senior spots.. ( not sure if batchelor takes up a spot on the senior list because he is nominated????
and 5 rooke list places..
5-6 new players from the " super draft " .. 3-4 of them gun top 50 picks..
5 rookes that are good but need time..

New looking list for geelong!


where's Josh (C)Hunt on that list ? an absolute soft joke of a footballer ...

the GFC *must* attempt to trade Hunt at seasons end ...
... anyone that's looking to persist with Kingsley should be removed from any official capacity at the GFC ... McCarthy will never 'make it', the bloke unfortunately can't kick a football, which is unfortunate for all concerned ...


whilst we're talkin' tough decisions, what about Captain Contagious, Steven King ??
His body is clearly rat-shizen ... I don't want him captaining Geelong next year, that's for f*cking sure ... bit hard to lead from the grandstand 3 outta every 4 weeks ...

[costanza23]

whilst we're talkin' tough decisions, what about Captain Contagious, Steven King ??
His body is clearly rat-shizen ... I don't want him captaining Geelong next year, that's for f*cking sure ... bit hard to lead from the grandstand 3 outta every 4 weeks ...
I'm concerned about King and Harley. They get injured too easily and I'd guess one will retire at seasons end. Also with King, if he stays next year, I don't see him Captaining us again, he's never there. Give it to Chap, with Gaz and Scarlo as his right-hand men.

[BIGANT]

Sounds great all of what's been posted, Agree mostly...kingsley won't go (love child!!) J Hunt >>>> out the door ! Gardiner >>> same - SWOOSH ! give Slade nother year !? as with lonergan,mcarthy time may be up - Sam Hunt i'd keep another yr.With harley and riccardi gone it be tough ,NO LEADERSHIP ! thats been the problem.With a group a players still relatively young they been living in there own lunchbox down there this season a bit,it's been more pronounced this year so from what i've heard.Am not jumping off them at all....just being realistic it might b a battle for who gets the wooden spoon against the bombers this friday night ! One more word ! PACE is what we need amongst a couple of talls we may get at the end of the year....

[Turbocat]

Sounds great all of what's been posted, Agree mostly...kingsley won't go (love child!!) J Hunt >>>> out the door ! Gardiner >>> same - SWOOSH ! give Slade nother year !? as with lonergan,mcarthy time may be up - Sam Hunt i'd keep another yr.With harley and riccardi gone it be tough ,NO LEADERSHIP ! thats been the problem.With a group a players still relatively young they been living in there own lunchbox down there this season a bit,it's been more pronounced this year so from what i've heard.Am not jumping off them at all....just being realistic it might b a battle for who gets the wooden spoon against the bombers this friday night ! One more word ! PACE is what we need amongst a couple of talls we may get at the end of the year....

What do you mean another year. The are last year Rookies list them or they are gone.