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UFC 61 coming up on July 8th, so far on the card they have Tim Sylvia defending his heavyweight title against the pit bull Andrei Arlovski, and Tito Ortiz up against the old warrior Ken Shamrock. Both will be absolutely amazing fights.
I haven't seen any threads on the UFC on bigfooty up to now, dont know if people just dont know enough about it yet but in my opinion UFC will be THE top fight event brand in the world within 10 years (maybe sooner). It just leaves boxing for dead, these guys are gladiators in the truest sense, no holds barred, full contact fighters.
My tip is Arlovski to knock Sylvia out first round. Greatly looking forward to this one!
Boxing & MMA are my sports. Would love to see more fight talk here, but it's not really the place.
UFC is ok, but just gets dwarfed by Japanese MMA, led by Pride. Just look at this weeks Pride 183 tournament card, compared to that shyte Dana put together last weekend. What a horrible UFC! That was just sad putting Royce in there.
In UFC 61 we again see the UFC grab PPV buys from past names as Shamrock seems to want to embarass himself again. Ortiz was horrible last time out. Hardly inspring stuff. Sylvia and Arlovski will be quick either way, so they better put together a nice card or I may skip yet another UFC and just download individual fights if they sound worth it.
Hopefully 62 will headline with Hughes v St Pierre, IMO the two best P4P fighters the UFC has. I have been a big fan of Georges for years, and I think may just have enough to win this rematch.
UFC bigger than boxing in 10 years? Hmmm - doubt it. If the UFC could be bigger than Pride in 10 years they would be rapt. I honestly just think the way it is packaged it doesnt translate well to the mainstream. Gotta get rid of the cage IMO before the general masses will see it as a sport, and not human cockfighting. A ring is SOOOOO much better for fights as well.
MMA is great, but boxing has the tradition and mainstream tradition at that. The big boxing fights are just so big, and until MMA can get regular TV such as HBO/Showtime/Foxsports/ESPN in the states, and not boutique channels like Spike, it will never grow to boxings level.
This weekends Pride is probably the 2nd most anticipated MMA card I can remember, behind Fedor-Cro Cop.
MMA is my 2nd favourite sport behind Australian rules football and I'd love to see it become a massive commercial success. I've been watching it evolve since UFC 1 and have been training jiu jitsu for the past 3 years so I have a huge appreciation for the MMA fighters of today. Having said that, I agree with Smokin that it will be relagated to be non-mainstream unless general popular opinion becomes far less conservative. SpikeTV and Dana White (boss of the UFC) have done major things in promoting MMA to the masses but it has a long way to go. The Pride Fighting championships still dwarf the UFC in MMA terms.
I agree that the 'Cage' or Octagon makes it seem like more of a human cockfight than a sport, but times will change and I think to get rid of the cage it wouldn't be UFC. It's debateable what fights are better, UFC octagon or Pride ring. In Pride, it does get annoying when the refs are constantly taking their hands off the ropes, but matches in the UFC where they are squashed into the fence the whole time are equally as frustrating - even if the fighting with the fence has it's own set of skills. When it comes down to it though, it doesn't really if MMA becomes mainstream or not. We have it great now, and I can see it only getting better, as long as does not become any more sanitised or rules change to make it more 'viewer friendly'.
Agreed that a Hughes / GSP fight would be sensational. GSP has really impressed me in his last fights and Hughes is undeniable. I'd like to see those guys in Pride. Hughes is a monster.
What I would like to see if a combination of the rules of Pride and UFC to some some sort of standard. Combine the ring, round lengths and kicks/stomps on ground of Pride, with the Elbows and reffing of the UFC. In Pride they stand the fighters up too easily when on the ground IMO.
Long live MMA :D
I must admit i dont know a hell of a lot about pride, i've only seen snippet highlights here and there actual footage (crocop looks like a killer!). However I do watch a fair bit of UFC mainly because it's readily available at the local blockbuster or jb hifi. Where can a man get hold of the pridefc dvds, do either of you know? Or is download my only option in this part of the world?
I think i prefer the octagon, because it sets it apart from the other ring sports, but also for the skillsets it brings to the sport, ground and pound etc. One thing i dont like about UFC though is the way it imitates the WWE wrestling style coverage. I like the fireworks intros on WWE, but don't think it works for real fighting. Nor the ramp style entry from the big tv screen scaffolding thingo. They should leave the fireworks razamatazz crap for WWE, in UFC it just cheapens the whole event in my opinion.
Forget Crocop - Fedor is the animal. Could perhaps be the most dangerous man to ever grace this planet.
The UFC gave up on those WWF entraces years ago now. You've got to catch up brother!
The cage actually limits skills - ground and pound is used just as much in a ring, but in a ring the guy on his back can defend himself at all times - where as being pushed up against a cage can render you helpless other than simply covering up. A ring opens up a lot more submissions, or at least attemps, from when the action goes towards the ropes. The cage limits this.
Silva v Liddell coming up! Can not wait!
Smokin dont you mean Babalou v Liddell? Silvia's a bit big for those boys, well unless he does a couture and drops 10kgs but i haven't heard or read anything about that. Anyway the above fight i agree will be bloody awesome, I actually enjoy the light heavyweights in UFC a lot more than i enjoy the heavyweights, actually come to think of it i was like that with normal boxing too for many years (apart from holyfield who i loved watching). Liddell is such a weapon in the stand up but Babalou is great too, i wonder if he'll be preferring to get it to the ground? What am i saying of course he will. And if he does, Liddell might just stand up out of it.
My favourite fight in UFC all time was at meltdown, Couture's first knockout of Liddell, 40yrs old or some crazy sh#t man that guy was a warrior no wonder dana inducted him so quick.
Yeah i know i'm well behind the times re current situation in the sport, but like i said how the hell can i watch these things live and keep right on top of it as it happens? Should we start a campaign of harrassment against MainEvent to show the ppv's, complimented with maybe a 9.30pm start for the normal mma events on a fox sports or something? Or is this sport just too radical for australians to handle?
Oh damn, i misread, you were talking about the unification of the UFC/PrideFC light heavyweight, as in Wanderlei Silva, not Silvia!
Yeah fk that would be something to watch. In fact, a full night of unification bouts, pridefc vs ufc, how good would that be?
Oh damn, i misread, you were talking about the unification of the UFC/PrideFC light heavyweight, as in Wanderlei Silva, not Silvia!
Yeah fk that would be something to watch. In fact, a full night of unification bouts, pridefc vs ufc, how good would that be?
Deej, keep up to date with Sherdog.com. Also, you can download many of the UFC or Pride events from .torrents. Check out mma-tracker (mma-tracker.no-ip.org). Lots of good stuff there :D
It would be awesome to see UFC vs Pride, however in most weight divisions (bar the middleweight possibly) the UFC guys would get destroyed. Fedor is the most complete fighter the world has ever seen, he is just a machine. They would have to agree on a common ruleset though, and that would br tricky. I think it would be perfect if they had Pride rules but added Elbows ;)
Deej, keep up to date with Sherdog.com. Also, you can download many of the UFC or Pride events from .torrents. Check out mma-tracker (mma-tracker.no-ip.org). Lots of good stuff there :D
It would be awesome to see UFC vs Pride, however in most weight divisions (bar the middleweight possibly) the UFC guys would get destroyed. Fedor is the most complete fighter the world has ever seen, he is just a machine. They would have to agree on a common ruleset though, and that would br tricky. I think it would be perfect if they had Pride rules but added Elbows ;)
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It would be awesome to see UFC vs Pride, however in most weight divisions (bar the middleweight possibly) the UFC guys would get destroyed. Fedor is the most complete fighter the world has ever seen, he is just a machine. They would have to agree on a common ruleset though, and that would br tricky. I think it would be perfect if they had Pride rules but added Elbows ;)
How did silva get beaten by belfort in the ufc?
I know it was a while ago but if belfort can beat him then liddel will have no problem.
Belfort was at his peak back then, young, fit and full of confidence, and Wandelei was yet to become big like he is now. Too much steriods screwed with Belfort IMO, he's not as good as he used to be.
Wanderlei is twice the fighter now than he was back then, although I'm not sure he's at his peak like perhaps he was a year or two ago. UFC rules however, and fighting Liddell who is naturally bigger and has more reach it will be tough. I'm expecting a huge fight but I put Liddell as the slight favourite. Cant wait!
thehoff
29 Aug 2006, 13:49
Well UFC 62 has been and gone and as you may know. Chuck easily defended his title with a referee stoppage in the first round. This guy has amazing talents, his abilty to sneak a knockout punch in when backing away is unbelievable.
The other fight of interest was Griffen V Bonnar 2. The judges all scored it 30-27 to Griffen but it was much closer than that. I thought it was more 29-28.
Did anyone else see the event?
What's next? Tito V Chuck 2? Tito has won his last few fights and after he demolishes Ken Shamrock again on the 8th October, i think he will be scheduled to fight Chuck which will be huge. Although Tito is my favourite fighter, i think Chuck will knock him out in the first round. Let's hope i am wrong.
Well UFC 62 has been and gone and as you may know. Chuck easily defended his title with a referee stoppage in the first round. This guy has amazing talents, his abilty to sneak a knockout punch in when backing away is unbelievable.
The other fight of interest was Griffen V Bonnar 2. The judges all scored it 30-27 to Griffen but it was much closer than that. I thought it was more 29-28.
Did anyone else see the event?
Yep. Didnt think much of it at all.
Babalu decided to through everything he has ever learnt out the window and run at Chuck doing the doggy paddle while looking at his shoes as if it was a schoolyard fight! Pretty quickly the uppercut landed and see you later.
Abosolutely horrible and embarassing. A total waste of time.
Griffen-Bonnar was ok, but nothing like the first. I gave all rounds to Forrest, thought he dictated the whole fight. Im a bit over thieir enfatuation with each other though.
Ortiz-Shamrock 3 should be great! :rolleyes:
Ortiz will punish him something fierce. Lets hope the ref steps out of the ring and lets it go this time. Dont stop it until one of them (Ken) is unconsious.
Anyone here watching The Ultimate Fighter Series? Currently at series 4? great show.
Oh Furious One
31 Aug 2006, 03:33
I have been a huge MMA fan for many years now and I’m glad it is now finally reaching mainstream and growing more and more. It is my second sport to Australian Rules, I have even asked for a forum here to be dedicated to MMA but there was no such luck.
I love both Pride and the UFC, I cannot get enough, not to mention a bit of KOTC too. I’m defiantly Pride through and through though, in my opinion they have the best fighters in the world, period. My three favorite fighters include Renato Sobral, Wanderlei Silva & Fedor Emelianenko. I own that many MMA DVD’s it isn’t funny.
I cannot fathom how incredibly stupid Sobral was in the #62 fight. Fancy chasing down one of the most devastating strikers in the world today. Those looping punches he was throwing with his head exposed were ridiculous, I was just waiting for Liddell to put him out, it wasn’t a question of if but when. I was very disappointed. I expected more from Sobral. He is good on the ground, but his stand up game leaves a lot to be desired, especially compared to Liddell.
I have no idea as to why they’re booking Ortiz and Shamrock for the THIRD time. Shamrock is clearly past it, has lost twice to Ortiz now, and has only won 1 from 7 since his return from professional wrestling. Shamrock will be eating knees to the face within five minutes, I guarantee it.
Liddell vs. Silva? F*ck that, I want to see Ortiz and Silva again in the UFC under special rules. I’m a major fan of stomping and ground kicks that occur in Pride, Also, Mike Tyson has been signed to Pride, which is interesting. Given that Bob Sapp is now K1, I suspect their match up won’t be happening, so I wonder who Tyson will fight, if anyone.
Who will come out on top between Penn and Hughes at UFC #63?
CroCop vs. Silva at Final Conflict is going to be great. I'm so ampted for that fight. Is anyone else a fan of Fedor's younger brother, Alekesander? Some of his tattoos are badass.
Ortiz will punish him something fierce. Lets hope the ref steps out of the ring and lets it go this time. Dont stop it until one of them (Ken) is unconsious.
Anyone here watching The Ultimate Fighter Series? Currently at series 4? great show.
Totally agree. Ortiz has proven he is the dominent fighter and unfortunatly that same result will occur, however it will go to ateast 2 rounds this time. Referee stoppage (Ground & Pounnd - 2nd round). Ken is to proud to admit that he is past it. It's kinda sad.
I am begining to become frustrated with UFC aligning fighters for fight after fight (i.e. Tito V Ken (1,2&3), Randy V Chuck (1,2 &3)(great fights) and you can garantee that Bonnar V Griffer 3 will occur within 36 months. What is happening? Are they running out of draw cards? I want more Rich Franklin & would love to see Gracie improve his standup game, rematch Hughes and make him tap like a litte bItch.
I've watched every episode of TUF 1,2,3 & 4 (that reminded to start download episode 3 - thanks) and i am not sure if i am too impressed with this season.I really enjoyed the coachs imput and tactics involved in match-ups and general banter(espicially Ken & Tito).
Anyway, why should these guy who have already had a shot in the octogon get a second chance? IMO, it's more important to blood new talent and vcreat excitment and new rivals.
That rminds me, when is Bisbing fighting? I am really looking forward to that. I beleive he is the real deal.
Well i got my pridefc dvd's yesterday and last night watched the fedor v crocop fight as well as wandy v arona and a few others, a number of differences i noticed straight away. Firstly, fighting in the ring is nothing like fighting in the octagon and i'm sure certain fighters would be more suited to the ring or octagon. how would fedor go against a silvia or more specifically say a couture in the octagon? Getting slammed against the cage and trying to survive the gnp is a totally different proposition in the octagon.
Pride is very japanese isn't it! Crowd seems polite, all very samurai inspired i think too, not like UFC which is real american in your face loud music hot chicks etc. Pride seems very orderly, respectful, not nearly the amount of razzamatazz. I think if they really are serious about becoming a force in the states (and they should be, it's the world's most important market for this sport) then they might need to bling it up a bit.
I like the way they do things in pride though, it's good to watch a different organisation to UFC for a bit of variety.
Are the gloves in pride bigger? UFC gloves to me look a little lighter and thinner.
Unfortunately a Pride v UFC card will never happen
After Liddell was owned hard by Rampage in Pride,Dana will never risk a UFC belt holder v a Pride belt holder
The idea of Tim Silvia v Fedor in a cage with elbows is frightening
Also Dana is notoriously cheap in paying fighters so a UFC beltholder would probably go to Pride for this kind of challenge,and we all saw what happened to BJ Penn when he faught outside of the UFC
I wonder if any of the fighters will be lured across to Superfighter (check out the other thread). Not cheap ($5m USD winners cheque for a day's work).
Unfortunately a Pride v UFC card will never happen
After Liddell was owned hard by Rampage in Pride,Dana will never risk a UFC belt holder v a Pride belt holder
The idea of Tim Silvia v Fedor in a cage with elbows is frightening
Also Dana is notoriously cheap in paying fighters so a UFC beltholder would probably go to Pride for this kind of challenge,and we all saw what happened to BJ Penn when he faught outside of the UFC
Liddell was also owned by Couture in the octagon around just before when he fought pride, I think Liddell has progressed a bit since then, plus i'd say the octagon seems to help his takedown defence. Wandy quite frankly doesn't impress me THAT much, he's obviously a machine but the way they bullsh#t on about him on sherdog you'd think he's way out in front of liddell, which i most definitely dont think he is.
What's the bit about BJ Penn? 5 fights outside of UFC for 4 wins and 1 loss, and he lost his fight against GSP since then at UFC 58. Don't get your point at all.
Fedor v Silvia in the cage, i dunno, I just don't think it'll be a massacre by any means.
One thing i do know, I don't subscribe to the Pride beats UFC blind thing at all.
What's the bit about BJ Penn? 5 fights outside of UFC for 4 wins and 1 loss, and he lost his fight against GSP since then at UFC 58. Don't get your point at all.When Penn faught away from UFC,Dane stripped him of the title and refused to book him in fights
So if Liddell or Silvia had have entered Prides OWGP he would have blackbanned them aswell
BTW have you seen the Crocop v Wanderlei fight yet
Crocop was lighter than Wandy yet destroyed him
When Penn faught away from UFC,Dane stripped him of the title and refused to book him in fights
So if Liddell or Silvia had have entered Prides OWGP he would have blackbanned them aswell
BTW have you seen the Crocop v Wanderlei fight yet
Crocop was lighter than Wandy yet destroyed him
Ah i see.
UFC wont be able to do this forever, if pride get a foothold in the US they'll be forced to compete with them financially to get the good fighters. However given they have already established their brand in the US i think they'll be in a pretty good position to do it.
Haven't seen that fight yet, can you link it for me?
Ah i see.
UFC wont be able to do this forever, if pride get a foothold in the US they'll be forced to compete with them financially to get the good fighters. However given they have already established their brand in the US i think they'll be in a pretty good position to do it.
Haven't seen that fight yet, can you link it for me?I had a link to it on youtube,but now when I try it the vid has been deleted:(
Pride are having an event in Las Vegas October 21,with Fedor,Crocop,Coleman ,Randleman etc
Will be huge
Just found it on youtube, don't know how long it'll be there but here goes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ButtVOM8hz4
Crocop is an assassin plain and simple. Smokin i think you're wrong about Fedor being the animal, i think they're both animals. Wouldn't surprise me if Crocop ktfo Fedor next time they meet. I'm in awe, fu#k man these are scarey dudes.
thehoff
13 Sep 2006, 23:25
Just found it on youtube, don't know how long it'll be there but here goes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ButtVOM8hz4
Crocop is an assassin plain and simple. Smokin i think you're wrong about Fedor being the animal, i think they're both animals. Wouldn't surprise me if Crocop ktfo Fedor next time they meet. I'm in awe, fu#k man these are scarey dudes.
thanks for the link :thumbsu: :thumbsu: :thumbsu:
You are right, he is a machine. That left leg is lethal!
Presti_is_god
14 Sep 2006, 15:59
Watched the show. Cro Cop has gone up a level. Hes the clear #2 HW in the world now. I still think Fedor will take him though.
If you can watch the Nog v Barnett do it. That fight was a freaking clinic. Loved every minute.
I've watched the crocop v fedor fight a few times now, and i'm convinced crocop fought a little timidly(not sure if that's right word - not as aggressive?), although must be said fedor planned his attack to perfection. Stalking crocop and always being on the front foot took control of the bout away from him, which meant fedor was able to pretty much dictate the fight. His gnp and groundwork just tired crocop out, he had very little opportunity to really use his weapons. If fedor dictates in this way again next time they fight, he can win again for sure, but if crocop unleashes bombs i think he'll get sat on his arse just like wandy did.
Oh Furious One
16 Sep 2006, 12:13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMOFJ6CgLss
Here's a great MMA tribute video.
I've watched the crocop v fedor fight a few times now, and i'm convinced crocop fought a little timidly(not sure if that's right word - not as aggressive?), although must be said fedor planned his attack to perfection. Stalking crocop and always being on the front foot took control of the bout away from him, which meant fedor was able to pretty much dictate the fight. His gnp and groundwork just tired crocop out, he had very little opportunity to really use his weapons. If fedor dictates in this way again next time they fight, he can win again for sure, but if crocop unleashes bombs i think he'll get sat on his arse just like wandy did.
I can't see anyone beating Fedor at this point.
Neither Fedor or Crocop are anywhere near the size of Tim Sylvia, he towers over them both.
Jeez i wish there would be a UFC v Pride event, would answer so many questions...
Presti_is_god
18 Sep 2006, 15:09
Neither Fedor or Crocop are anywhere near the size of Tim Sylvia, he towers over them both.
Jeez i wish there would be a UFC v Pride event, would answer so many questions...
I hope your not saying Sylvia has a chance against either of them...
Any of Prides big 4 would wipe the floor with Sylvia. And probably a few others too. UFC's HW division is terrible.
Oh Furious One
18 Sep 2006, 16:28
Are any of you Mauricio Rua fans?
Also, where do you guys get your DVD's?
I purchase my Pride, UFC and KOTC from Sherdog, Highspots, EzyDVD and JBHIFI.
Presti_is_god
19 Sep 2006, 00:57
Are any of you Mauricio Rua fans?
Also, where do you guys get your DVD's?
I purchase my Pride, UFC and KOTC from Sherdog, Highspots, EzyDVD and JBHIFI.
Yeah Shogun rocks. I rank him as #2 at LHW.
I download the shows and burn them onto DVD. i couldnt stand having to wait for them.
thehoff
19 Sep 2006, 09:52
Yeah Shogun rocks. I rank him as #2 at LHW.
I download the shows and burn them onto DVD. i couldnt stand having to wait for them.
Very true. I'm lucky enough to be a member of a fantastic MMA tracker that has the events up without delay. :thumbsu:
Good to see all the MMA talk, I wish there was a section dedicated to it!
Cro Cop looks to be in pretty good form recently. His KO of Silva last week was impressive, but I've sensed that Wanderlei has not been in the same form/shape that he has been in the past few years.
Fedor is still number 1, no doubt, and Cro Cop will have to do very well to beat him. In their last fight cro cop was far too timid and tried to counter punch. If cro cop goes out and attacks fedor and pushes him, I think it will be VERY close. If cro cop lands one of his devestating head kicks it will be all over. Still, my gut feeling is that Fedor still has it over the Croation Cop.
And yeah, shogun is a GUN.
I hope your not saying Sylvia has a chance against either of them...
Any of Prides big 4 would wipe the floor with Sylvia. And probably a few others too. UFC's HW division is terrible.
I'm not saying Sylvia would beat them, but I wouldn't say Fedor and Crocop and some other pride HW's would smash him either. One thing i do think, is it seems to be a common held belief that Fedor would smash Sylvia, and i don't neccessarily agree with that. Fedor would look like a dwarf next to Sylvia, I mean who has fedor beaten who is near the size of sylvia?
coleman, 6'1
crocop 6'2
nog 6'3
randleman 5'10
rest are all either japanese (dont rate em) or clearly (in my opinion) lesser fighters than sylvia.
sylvia is 6'8
I know i do my cred no favours in saying this, but i just don't think fedor has fought anyone like sylvia's size and ability before and i dont think you know what will happen until he does.
Fedor destroyed Wagner da Conceicao Martins who is 6'6" and 177kg in 26 seconds. But you are right in the fact that he hasn't fought many huge opponents like Silva. Still, from my experience, Fedor would likely dispatch Silva pretty easily. In fact i'd go to say that any of the top 5-6 Pride Heavyweights would defeat Silva.
Presti_is_god
19 Sep 2006, 16:15
I see where your coming from. But doesnt matter on the floor nearly as much as on the feet and thats where the fight would go.
But even so hes fought massive guys before:
Semmy Schilt - 6'11
Heath Herring - 6'4
Naoya Ogawa - 6'4
Zuluzinho is a tall ****er too.
Granted those guys arent as good as Sylvia. Although Herring and Schilt are no slouches. He has dealt with height before, Fedor has an iron chin is fast and has the best all round game in the sport. I cannot see anyone beating him for a long long time. Maybe if cro cop landed a flush high kick, but even then i have doubts. He just doesnt seem like someone you can KO.
If Tim Sylvia and Fedor did fight,Fedor would take it to the mat.Tim would be in for a ground and pound lesson
I also think that when Crocop and Fedor fight again,Fedor will not try and stand up but takedown and a submission style of match
ATM Fedor is no1,for how long who knows?
Presti_is_god
19 Sep 2006, 17:55
If Tim Sylvia and Fedor did fight,Fedor would take it to the mat.Tim would be in for a ground and pound lesson
I also think that when Crocop and Fedor fight again,Fedor will not try and stand up but takedown and a submission style of match
ATM Fedor is no1,for how long who knows?
For as long as he wants imo.
Yeah fedor is tough as hell, when Randleman dropped him on his head he hardly batted an eyelid and then submitted him in the next minute!
I wish Matt Hughes was bigger :D Pound For pound he'd be up there with Fedor, he's a machine imo. I'd love to see him mix it with the Pride guys.
Presti_is_god
19 Sep 2006, 18:09
I think Hughes is a bit overrated imo interms of P4P. He doesnt have great standup. Hes submissions are decent but no where near the level of some guys. He relies on GNP, his strength and the cage to stack guys up on. There would be a big difference in a Pride ring.
If you were ranking P4P you would consider guys like:
Fedor
Takinori Gomi
Rich Franklin
Wanderlei Silva
Shogun Rua
BJ Penn
GSP
Big Nog
Josh Barnett
I think Hughes is a bit overrated imo interms of P4P. He doesnt have great standup. Hes submissions are decent but no where near the level of some guys. He relies on GNP, his strength and the cage to stack guys up on. There would be a big difference in a Pride ring.
If you were ranking P4P you would consider guys like:
Fedor
Takinori Gomi
Rich Franklin
Wanderlei Silva
Shogun Rua
BJ Penn
GSP
Big Nog
Josh Barnett
Yeah agreed with that list, Gomi is awesome. I've always been a bit suss on Rich Franklin, but he looks to be the real deal. I'd like to see him take on an Ortiz or Silva.
I dont think Matt Hughes is overrated. Perhaps with the ring he might not have the stack up and pound of the cage, but the last few fights ive watched he hasn't used the cage, hes submitted or GNP'd them in the centre of the ring. I'd still like to see him in Pride :D
I also like the look of Jorge St Pierre. I think is a great up and comer from the UFC and the Hughes/JSP fight will be awesome.
Oh Furious One
19 Sep 2006, 18:41
Have you guys found any half decent competitive MMA organizations in Australia?
If Emelianenko and Sylvia were to ever fight, I would put my money on Emelianenko. He is a machine, and while Sylvia would obviously have a lot more reach, Emelianeko would just take it to the ground and virtually make it ineffective. Does anyone here rate Aleksander Emelianenko?
Also, Hughes is defiantly not overrated. Like said above, perhaps he wouldn't be as suited to the Pride ring as opposed to the Octagon, but I don't think it'd overaly effect him.
Presti_is_god
19 Sep 2006, 23:33
Awesome..
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=5615
thehoff
20 Sep 2006, 11:43
Yeah agreed with that list, Gomi is awesome. I've always been a bit suss on Rich Franklin, but he looks to be the real deal. I'd like to see him take on an Ortiz or Silva.
Totally different weight divisions. Rich Franklin is pound for pound the best MMA fighter in the world.
Totally different weight divisions. Rich Franklin is pound for pound the best MMA fighter in the world.
Franklin has fought previously at up to 220, so I'd think he'd easily be able to step up. I'd just like to see Rich fight some more top class guys, the 185 division of the UFC is pretty light on. There is no doubt that he is a gun though.
Oh Furious One
20 Sep 2006, 18:09
Do any of you guys know where to get MMA memorabilia? It’s very hard to find a place.
thehoff
21 Sep 2006, 17:58
Franklin has fought previously at up to 220, so I'd think he'd easily be able to step up. I'd just like to see Rich fight some more top class guys, the 185 division of the UFC is pretty light on. There is no doubt that he is a gun though.
Correct - it's been suggested the Ace weighs in around 185 and fights the following day at 205.
He'd step up no worries at all. I beleive if there is no serious challenge soon, he'll be left no choice but to step up and fight the light heavy weights.
I've heard rumours that this might occur after he smashes the 185 winner of TUF 4.
Rich V Chuck would be fantastic
Oh Furious One
22 Sep 2006, 12:53
UFC 63 is only two days away, what are everyone’s predictions?
Main event: Hughes vs. Penn
Swick vs. Loiseau
Lambert vs. Evans
Lauzon vs. Pulver
Ruediger vs. Guillard
Huerta vs. Dent
Neto vs. Sanchez
Abbadi vs. Gurgel
Lee vs. Griffin
Apart from Hughes/Penn and maybe Lambert/Evans, I’m not exactly excited by this card.
UFC 63 is only two days away, what are everyone’s predictions?
Main event: Hughes vs. Penn
Swick vs. Loiseau
Lambert vs. Evans
Lauzon vs. Pulver
Ruediger vs. Guillard
Huerta vs. Dent
Neto vs. Sanchez
Abbadi vs. Gurgel
Lee vs. Griffin
Apart from Hughes/Penn and maybe Lambert/Evans, I’m not exactly excited by this card.
Forest Griffen is one of my favourite fighters, yeah partly due to TUF1, but also jeez he's a tough fella. That Griffen Bonnar 1 fight is one of the best i've ever seen, if not THE best. Love it when they just stand and go bang.
Oh Furious One
25 Sep 2006, 13:34
Credits to Sherdog.
David Lee vs. Tyson Griffin
Round 1
David Lee lands a crisp flying knee to get the action started. Griffin secures a takedown off a body lock. Griffin takes his back and forces the tapout with a rear naked choke at 1:50 of the first period.
Danny Abbadi vs. Jorge Gurgel
Round 1
Sherdog.com scores the first round 10-9 for Abbadi. Gurgel landed a right hand and worked for a kneebar and an armbar, but a clean knockdown from an Abbadi punch and a left straight that consistently beat Gurgel to the punch earns the 10-point round for Danny.
Round 2
Round two is all Gurgel. The Brazilian had Abbadi backpedaling from a lead right that found its target several times in the round. Gurgel scored a takedown and some solid ground and pound to end out the second stanza. Sherdog.com has the fight scored even as the thrid round sets to kickoff.
Round 3
More of the same in round three with Abbadi backpedaling while Jorge pushes forward. in the closing moments of the fight, Abbadi scores on a flurry that could have stolen the round. Gurgel scores a takedown as the horn sounds to end the battle and gain the nod on two of the judges's scorecards.
29-28 x2 for Gurgel, 29-28 for Abbadi. Jorge's gutsy takedown in the final second may have been the difference in the close fight.
Mario Neto vs. Eddie Sanchez
Round 1
Both fighters traded strikes to start the fight. Neto secured a takedown and control for a few minutes but Sanchez defended well. Neto tried to pull guard and finish the fight with a front choke byt Sanchez escapes to his feet. Sherdog.com scores the first round 10-9 for Sanchez.
Round 2
Sanchez lands a huge overhand right that ends the fight at 17 seconds of the second round. Sanchez followed the stunned fighter to the mat and finished with three punches that put Neto out cold.
Jason Dent vs. Roger Huerta
Round 1
Dent lands a spinning back kick to the body, in what would be his only offense in the opening stage. Huerta landed strikes on his feet at will and scored a few takedowns, one of which was a huge slam followed by some serious bombs to Dent's face. Sherdog.com scores the first for Huerta, 10-9.
Round 2
More of the same in round two, with Huerta getting the better of the ground and standing action. the last 30 seconds of the round Huerta peppered Dent with a torrent of strikes. Huerta coasting so far, 20-18 after two rounds.
Round 3
Dent scores with a flying knee that opens up a gash on Huerta's head. Both fighters bleeding now. Dent starting to find his range with the strikes. Huerta lands a takedown at the 2:30 mark, and appears to rest and ride out the fight, before he started unloading bombs on the ground again. Huerta captured every round on all the judges' scorecards, 30-27.
Joe Lauzon vs. Jens Pulver
Round 1
Lauzon scores a single leg takedown in the opening seconds. Jens escapes to his feet the grabs the cage to avoid being taken down again. The foul fails and he is taken down anyways. Jens again works to his feet but catches a left hook right on the button that puts him to sleep. Lauzon wins by knockout at 0:48 of the first.
Jason Lambert vs. Rashad Evans
Round 1
Rashad rushes in to clinch but Lambert defends well with single wrist control. Evans scores a takedown but Lambert works back to his feet. Evans picks Lambert up slams him to the mat into side-control. Jason works for a Kimura but Evans stays put in side position and defends. Both fighters back to their feet. Lambert now pushing Evans against the fence while working for a single leg takedown. Another takedown from Evans. Sherdog.com scores the first round 10-9 for Rashad.
Round 2
Fast takedown from Evans into his opponent’s guard. Lambert again tries for a Kimura but Rashad escapes. Evans explodes into a double leg and gains mount shortly after. Evans lands a flurry of heavy strikes from the mount that knock Lambert out at the 2:22 mark.
Gabe Ruediger vs. Melvin Guillard
Round 1
Guillard sprawls to avoid several Ruediger takedown attempts in the first minute of the fight then lands a takedown of his own. Left hook stuns Ruediger. Gabe has a mouse over his left eye from a standing elbow delivered by his opponent. Melvin grabs the fence to defend a takedown. Ruediger scores a takedown. He moves quickly to mount then Guillard gives up his back. Ruediger working for a rear naked as the round expires. Sherdog.com scores it 10-9 for Ruediger for the near finish at the end of the round.
Round 2
Guillard finds his range in the second round with punches. He landed two straight rights to the body within 30 seconds of each other, the second of which collapsed his opponent. Guillard then landed a soccer kick to the shoulder, forcing Herb Dean to stop the fight at 1:01 of the second round.
Mike Swick vs. David Loiseau
Round 1
Right kick lands to the body of “The Crow.” Loiseau clinches Swick against the fence but the referee restarts the action after a minute of inactivity. Swick unloads with a barrage of punches at Loiseau covers up. The first half of round one is all Swick. Finally “Crow” lets his hands loose and backs up the American. Swick scores a takedown into the Canadian’s half-guard. Swick momentarily takes Loisaeu’s back but “The Crow” escapes to his feet. First round is dominated by Swick, 10-9.
Round 2
Swick taunts his opponent as the second period begins. Spining back kick lands for Swick. Loiseau lands 2 leg kicks that back Swick up. Flying knee from Swick finds its target. The Ultimate Fighter veteran scores a takedown. Loiseau bleeding over his left eye. Swick rides out the rest of the round inside his opponent’s guard. 10-9 for Swick.
Round 3
Loiseau now stalking Swick aroud the cage. Swick hits a single and drags Loiseau to the mat. “The Crow” tries to sweep but Swick escapes to his feet and waves his finger at Loiseau. “The Crow” finds his range on a few elbows and gets a takedown of his own. “The Crow” now working from half-guard against the cage with heavy elbows. Swick raises to his feet after surviving the onslaught of strikes. Swick catches a Loiseau kick and takes him to the canvas as the horn sounds to end the bout. Sherdog.com scores it 10-9 for Loiseau (29-28 Swick).
Official score - 29-28x3 for Swick.
Matt Hughes vs. B.J. Penn
Round 1
Penn enters the Octagon looking calm and confident. Hughes makes the walk to the cage to his usual Hank Williams Jr. theme music.
Penn lands a left hook to the body to kickoff the action. Hughes working for a single but Penn leaps on foot to the cage and defends. Hughes eats a right hand and answers with a punch of his own. Hughes backs away and eats a right hand before scoring a single leg takedown. B.J. rises to his feet and hits Hughes with a one-two. Hughes is poked in the eye accidentally, requiring a doctors check. Hughes gives the OK after the doctor’s thumbs-up and the fight continues. The duration of the first round is spent against the cage as Hughes works for a takedown. Sherdog.com scores the first 10-9 for Penn.
Round 2
Hughes lands a left jab and a right to the body before scoring a takedown against the cage. Hughes working to pass guard. Penn Closes his guard as Hughes tries to posture and pass to both sides. Hughes lands a elbow. B.J. working for an omaplata. Hughes escapes and drops another elbow. Two elbows rock B.J. Penn sweeps and takes Hughes' back. B.J. working for the rear naked choke. Bj now has a triangle from the back with an arm trapped. The fight is almost over. B.J. switched to an armbar just before Hughes escaped as the round comes to a close. Penn wins round 2, 10-9.
Round 3
Hughes opening up with some punches as the third period begins. Left hook lands for the champion. Another left lands for the mainlander. Stiff jab from Hughes. Huge uppercut lands for Hughes. B.J. rocked. Hughes scores a takedown and passes to half-guard. Hughes now in side control and traps Penn’s left arm. Hughes pounding away. Hughes pounds on a trapped Penn until “Big” John stops the fight. Hughes defeds his title with a TKO at 3:53 of the third round.
Just watched the hughes v bj fight. Awesome. BJ's guard is amazing. The triangle/armbar at the end of 2nd took it out of him and the bell saved hughes. If Penn had more cardio he would have had him IMO. Submission attempts like that are extremely taxing on the cardio and you could see he was finished at the start of round 3. Still, it was a great fight, am looking forward to a rematch. :)
BJ again shows his superior skill, but geez, do some bloody cardio!
The work he did in that 2nd round wasnt anything that should have gassed a pro fighter - hughs spent just as much in the first trying for the takedown.
BJ has always been known for a lack of cardio (and weight) - comes in with puppy fat all over him.
On to GSP v Hughes! what a fight.
Im with Georges in this one - GSP has great take down defense and hughs has showed to be quite limited if he cant get that top position. But if he does...
Agreed. Putting on a triangle like that when it's not quite right for 30 or so seconds like he had it does take it out of you (speaking from my own experience in grappling) but for a Pro like BJ, he should have had it covered and then some. Come the third round hughes just layed the beat down. It was great to see him take hughes's back though and dominate him, as I've never seen hughes under the pump like that. At that point BJ had it all over hughes.
Yeah I also cant wait for GSP. That's going to be a killer fight, hopefully he's recovered properly from his groin injury. Bring it on.
Shamrock Ortiz 3 - October 10 :D
Oh Furious One
25 Sep 2006, 20:10
I really don't understand why they're doing Ortiz and Shamrock for the THIRD time. Shamrock is finished and was finished along time ago. He'll be eating knees in the first round, another irrelevent win for Ortiz.
I really don't understand why they're doing Ortiz and Shamrock for the THIRD time. Shamrock is finished and was finished along time ago. He'll be eating knees in the first round, another irrelevent win for Ortiz.
Because I'm gonna love watching Shamrock get punished again! Maybe finally he'll realise he's way past it and Tito will always have it over him :) Highly unlikely that will get through to him though. In any case, I'll be hoping this time that Big John is reffing rather than Herb Dean, it might not be stopped so quickly.
Oh Furious One
26 Sep 2006, 23:39
How do you guys think former professional wrestler Brock Lesner will fare in MMA?
Dont know much about WWF type guys, but he looks like a mammoth mofo, and he's training under Pat Miletich, so thats a good start. I'd say if he were to come up against guys like Fedor etc (his weight division) he'd get crushed, but if he started slow and gained some experience I'd say he'd have the physique to do some real damage. Hard to tell though, a lot of MMA is mental.
Presti_is_god
27 Sep 2006, 11:36
Dont know much about WWF type guys, but he looks like a mammoth mofo, and he's training under Pat Miletich, so thats a good start. I'd say if he were to come up against guys like Fedor etc (his weight division) he'd get crushed, but if he started slow and gained some experience I'd say he'd have the physique to do some real damage. Hard to tell though, a lot of MMA is mental.
Miletich camp is the best place for him but K1 has him training with Royce Gracie too which is a waste of time imo.
Right now he is crap. Matt Hughes choked him out and hes a WW. He definetly has the athleticism but we can only wait to see if he has the chin and heart to get anywhere near the top.
Lesnar will be competitive as long as people do not throw him in with the elite just yet.
His wrestling G&P will be very good.Working with Gracie will help his subs and sub defence.But unless he is BJ Penn and can master BJJ in record time,someone like big Nog is going to tie him up and sub him.
Not really sure what his stand up is going to be like,put him in with Aleksander or Hunt would be trouble for him ATM
Give Lesnar time to learn what fighting in MMA is about before putting him in with the likes of Cro Cop,Barnett,big Nog or Fedor or his MMA career will be shortlived
We need a fighting forum on bigfooty. I dont like visiting sherdog other than reading latest news, posting there is pointless 2mins later you're off the screen. At least here we can have a decent discussion.
Can someone contact the chief?
Presti_is_god
28 Sep 2006, 19:21
Lesnar will be competitive as long as people do not throw him in with the elite just yet.
His wrestling G&P will be very good.Working with Gracie will help his subs and sub defence.But unless he is BJ Penn and can master BJJ in record time,someone like big Nog is going to tie him up and sub him.
Not really sure what his stand up is going to be like,put him in with Aleksander or Hunt would be trouble for him ATM
Give Lesnar time to learn what fighting in MMA is about before putting him in with the likes of Cro Cop,Barnett,big Nog or Fedor or his MMA career will be shortlived
Spot on pretty much. Although he is contracted with K1 so he isnt going to get a Nog or Barnett straight up. Heath Herring i think would be a good 1st fight. But they will probably go with a unskilled big name or a freak show.
Oh Furious One
28 Sep 2006, 20:54
We need a fighting forum on bigfooty.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5925435#post5925435
I suggest a Combat Sports sub forum for this section.
That means it won't just restrict it to MMA but boxing, amateur wrestling and etc.
thehoff
29 Sep 2006, 09:43
BJ again shows his superior skill, but geez, do some bloody cardio!
Pretty harsh. I've been told he broke 2 ribs attempting that arm bar in the 2nd round so its no wonder that he was highly gassed. I know i would have been.
On to GSP v Hughes! what a fight.
Im with Georges in this one - GSP has great take down defense and hughs has showed to be quite limited if he cant get that top position. But if he does...
How funny were the post fight comments from GSP? Did you see the look on Matt Hughes face as he dissed him. It was first class gold (although i am biased because i am a huge fan of GSP and hate Hughes).
After that GSP V Hughes fight (which i beleive Hughes will win), i would really like to see a rematch of with Penn because i beleive Matt Hughes never won that fight, Penn lost it, however if it were there were another 15 seconds in the second round, Matt Hughes would not have a belt right now.
Pretty harsh. I've been told he broke 2 ribs attempting that arm bar in the 2nd round so its no wonder that he was highly gassed. I know i would have been.
How funny were the post fight comments from GSP? Did you see the look on Matt Hughes face as he dissed him. It was first class gold (although i am biased because i am a huge fan of GSP and hate Hughes).
After that GSP V Hughes fight (which i beleive Hughes will win), i would really like to see a rematch of with Penn because i beleive Matt Hughes never won that fight, Penn lost it, however if it were there were another 15 seconds in the second round, Matt Hughes would not have a belt right now.
I reckon Hughes was slipping out of the triangle/armbar attempt, but it would have been interesting too see. If it was on properly Hughes would have tapped.
Oh yeah and Bring on the MMA/Martial Arts Section! I was thinking of that myself.
thehoff
29 Sep 2006, 13:48
I reckon Hughes was slipping out of the triangle/armbar attempt, but it would have been interesting too see. If it was on properly Hughes would have tapped.
Incorrect - Post match interview Hughes stated that he was a matter of seconds from tapping. He was not slipping.
Presti_is_god
4 Oct 2006, 12:44
Anyone watch the 1st WFA show? The quality of fighters they have is pretty good and they just got another good one.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=5780
Anyone watch the 1st WFA show? The quality of fighters they have is pretty good and they just got another good one.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=5780
That just depends on which Heath Herring turns up on the night. The lion or the mouse. I didn't see the show, is that the one with 4 teams format coached by Miliitech, Gracie, Ruten types?
Presti_is_god
6 Oct 2006, 12:53
No, Thats the IFL. WFA had Lindland vs Rampage and Rutten vs Kimo/Sims/Warpath.
Rutten had a fight! I thought he was retired. MAD! I have to get a coppy of this. Rampage in full flight is also a compelling watch. He lost it a bit after his second (or third, who can remeber) loss to Wandi. His last two fights where against so so fighters, but the law is a good notch in his belt. Hopefully he's got the hunger back.
Rampage Jackson:
If swearin wern't invented, I wouldn't mother****ing speak.
Incorrect - Post match interview Hughes stated that he was a matter of seconds from tapping. He was not slipping.
Fair enough. Just didn't look to be on quite right. Cheers for that will check the interview.
Fair enough. Just didn't look to be on quite right. Cheers for that will check the interview.
I looked good at the start but it was certainly getting shifty towards the end. I think Huges would have got out of it eventually. Once he took the pressure off he just sat down and waited for the bell. Maybe Penn did the same but anyone who has been in a few good triangles will know if it's on you don't last that long without passing out.
thehoff
12 Oct 2006, 13:27
Has enyone else seen the Tito V Ken III yet?
As suggested, Tito, took him down, ground and punded him until ken was out within the first 3 minutues. Referee stoppage!
I also saw a post fight interview where Ken finally admits he is not up to it anymore.
The realisation that you are not "the worlds most dangerous man" must be tough.
GO TITO!
I haven't seen it but it's out there so I've been told. Sounds like a carbon copy of fight II except Big John let Shamrock feel the hurt a little longer this time.
thehoff
12 Oct 2006, 16:16
I haven't seen it but it's out there so I've been told. Sounds like a carbon copy of fight II except Big John let Shamrock feel the hurt a little longer this time.
You are pretty much 100% correct. Huge build up again!
I've been looking for the video with no luck, Hoff have you got a link? As expected Tito lay the beat down again. Good Stuff!
thehoff
13 Oct 2006, 00:54
I've been looking for the video with no luck, Hoff have you got a link? As expected Tito lay the beat down again. Good Stuff!
Sorry buddy, no good.
I download mine from a Private MMA tracker that i am fortunate to be a member of, however i basically have every UFC event ever. If you are interested, let me know
I've been looking for the video with no luck, Hoff have you got a link? As expected Tito lay the beat down again. Good Stuff!
We'll just ask Dan or Byron at Jits tonight dude. They knew where the torrent was. MMA tracker I think Dan said. Besides they only showed the last 3 fights or some jazz. It was free to air cos the fight card wasn't top notch. They will be releasing the lot on DVD down the track.
Sorry buddy, no good.
I download mine from a Private MMA tracker that i am fortunate to be a member of, however i basically have every UFC event ever. If you are interested, let me know
I have some Pride FC event's that might make good trade.
Sorry buddy, no good.
I download mine from a Private MMA tracker that i am fortunate to be a member of, however i basically have every UFC event ever. If you are interested, let me know
Awesome. Yeah I have quite a few older ones but having every one would be sweet :) I have quite a few pride's aswell.
Are you a member to http://mma-tracker.no-ip.org/ ? I used to be, but was kicked off because i didn't use it for a while :(
Tito / Shamrock 3 is on youtube now for anyone interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwJDK59R2QY
thehoff
13 Oct 2006, 19:12
Awesome. Yeah I have quite a few older ones but having every one would be sweet :) I have quite a few pride's aswell.
Are you a member to http://mma-tracker.no-ip.org/ ? I used to be, but was kicked off because i didn't use it for a while :(
Yes i am a member of that site. They are great as long as you upload to them as well as download.
I've got heaps of credit so i can download about 20 UFC events without giving anything back.
PM if you want any events.
Any of you guys watching 'The Ultimate Fighter' Series 4?
God Matt Hughes is a prick! I seriously hope GSP smashes him! :D
Any of you guys watching 'The Ultimate Fighter' Series 4?
God Matt Hughes is a prick! I seriously hope GSP smashes him! :D
Haha did you see that George Sotiropoulos got DQ'ed in his shooto Japan match? Groin kick in the second round. He probably meant it too ;)
Haha did you see that George Sotiropoulos got DQ'ed in his shooto Japan match? Groin kick in the second round. He probably meant it too ;)
hahah! George is a nutter. I could imagine it!
Here's the video of Rich Franklin getting his arse handed to him by Silva. Fear the Muay Thai! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH9ZdSA2JKo
Me thinks Rich was somewhat overatted, the 185's really isn't the strongest division, Rich hasn't beaten the toughest of opponents, and Anderson coming from Pride, just dominated him. Just shows how much Pride has it over the UFC.
thehoff
19 Oct 2006, 00:04
hahah! George is a nutter. I could imagine it!
Here's the video of Rich Franklin getting his arse handed to him by Silva. Fear the Muay Thai! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH9ZdSA2JKo
Me thinks Rich was somewhat overatted, the 185's really isn't the strongest division, Rich hasn't beaten the toughest of opponents, and Anderson coming from Pride, just dominated him. Just shows how much Pride has it over the UFC.
You can hardly say pride is better when Silva is not really a pride fighter.... He has been everyone without really sticking to one corperation.
Can't wait to see "Ace" get another crack at the title.
You can hardly say pride is better when Silva is not really a pride fighter.... He has been everyone without really sticking to one corperation.
Can't wait to see "Ace" get another crack at the title.
He's not a Pride fighter because he lost his contract. He got owned by Ryo Chonan (submitted by one of the greatest subs in the history of MMA IMHO) and before that lost to a guy with a pride record of 7-11. Hell I don't even remember his name. He goes into the UFC and has two fights and wins the title! IMO Pride has far superior fighters in every division except 175’s. Huges, St Pierre and Penn. Even Chick Liddel would have his arse handed to him in the Pride 210’s, not just by Wanderlei Silva but by the next 3 contenders.
You can hardly say pride is better when Silva is not really a pride fighter.... He has been everyone without really sticking to one corperation.
Can't wait to see "Ace" get another crack at the title.
I cant wait to see Rich get back aswell, I'm sure he'll get back there, he's a tough nut.
I do think that Pride, in general has far more depth in every division bar the 170's though.
Presti_is_god
19 Oct 2006, 11:57
Watched the Silva/Rich fight. Beautiful thai clinch, Its proof Rich aint all hes cracked up to be on the feet, hes doesnt have elite level standup or groundwork, hes just solid all round and his main weapon is his size.
thehoff
19 Oct 2006, 17:41
He's not a Pride fighter because he lost his contract. He got owned by Ryo Chonan (submitted by one of the greatest subs in the history of MMA IMHO) and before that lost to a guy with a pride record of 7-11. Hell I don't even remember his name. He goes into the UFC and has two fights and wins the title! IMO Pride has far superior fighters in every division except 175’s. Huges, St Pierre and Penn. Even Chick Liddel would have his arse handed to him in the Pride 210’s, not just by Wanderlei Silva but by the next 3 contenders.
I do agree that there is generally more depth in Pride, however i doubt Chuck would get samshed... Chuck more arguably have the best take down defence in the world and some serious punching power and accuracy to accompany his defense.
Tito knocked out by Chuck, Tito stopped Wanderlei. I understand it was a number of years ago but you should'nt discount Chuck like that. Chuck is world class.... Franklin on the other hand is very good but time will tell if he is elite. He needs to improve in a few areas before he can be considered in the top 3 in the world IMO.
Tito took out Wanderlei by decision after he sat on him for 3 rounds. It was one of the most boring fights I have ever seen. A big point is the rules. If that fight was in pride they would have stood them up. Tito stalled. He won a wrestling match not an MMA fight. The only time I’ve seen Wandi get owned was the UFC where he fought Belfort. Man that was a massive win caught him out with a blitz kreig. Still as I see it now if Chuck was to fight Wandi, Ricardo Arona, or Muricio Rua (If he came back down in weight) he would lose, I have no doubt about it and he’d only have a 50-50 against Antonio Rogerio Nogueira and Murilo Rua. It’s a different league in the 205’s, 210’s. It’s like comparing the AFL to the VFL IMHO, Chuck is the only one that would even make it in Pride. Don’t even get me started about the heavy weights!
thehoff
19 Oct 2006, 19:00
The only time I’ve seen Wandi get owned was the UFC where he fought Belfort.
What about against Crocop less than 2 months ago?
What about against Crocop less than 2 months ago?
Haven't seen it yet. That Youtube site is blocked at my work for some reason, all the others work. I'll be getting broad band at home next week :D Looking forward to it. Crocop's left leg is a weapon.
Presti_is_god
20 Oct 2006, 12:29
What about against Crocop less than 2 months ago?
Pretty harsh. Cro Cop is a HW. Wandy was forced to move up in weight.
Pretty harsh. Cro Cop is a HW. Wandy was forced to move up in weight.
Cro Cop is only just a heavy weight tho. He moved up from middle some time ago but I think he still hovers around the 215 mark. Interestingly he drew with Wandi in 02 in what was fundamentally a kickboxing match. I don't think there was one shoot in the entire match and both fighters paid each others striking so much respect that it was just counter striking. Very dull.
thehoff
20 Oct 2006, 13:43
Haven't seen it yet. That Youtube site is blocked at my work for some reason, all the others work. I'll be getting broad band at home next week :D Looking forward to it. Crocop's left leg is a weapon.
You should be looking forward to it. Crocop's fight is one of the best i've seen in a long time.
It was well planned and executed to perfection. He was patient and finished Wandy with a sensation left foot head kick!
I hate wandy so its was fantastic to see!
I swear Crocop would break me in half with a half-powered body kick.
You should be looking forward to it. Crocop's fight is one of the best i've seen in a long time.
It was well planned and executed to perfection. He was patient and finished Wandy with a sensation left foot head kick!
I hate wandy so its was fantastic to see!
I swear Crocop would break me in half with a half-powered body kick.
Yeah his liver kicks are awesome. Apparently he spends all his time in the gym just doing exercises to make his legs bigger! Sif they need to be BIGGER! One day he's gonna split a guys head open like a coconut!:eek:
You should be looking forward to it. Crocop's fight is one of the best i've seen in a long time.
It was well planned and executed to perfection. He was patient and finished Wandy with a sensation left foot head kick!
I hate wandy so its was fantastic to see!
I swear Crocop would break me in half with a half-powered body kick.
hehe, yeah it was awesome, Cro Cop is an amazing fighter, very very smart. Took wandy apart. His left high kick is just devestating. His legs do seem to get bigger and bigger!
I definately rate Liddell as Pride-worthy. I'd reckon he'd be around top 4 level. I'd love to see a Liddell - Cro Cop fight! I think the cage suits Liddell's style though, so it might be a different story depending on their 'home ground'
Anyone seen Pride 32 yet?
some highlights include:
Fedor- just a machine, the guy is seriously a machine sent from the future to school anyone who happens to be in a ring against him. Coleman only went for single legs because of the no kicking downed opponents rule. Emelianko hardly looked like he was trying.
Shogun- The return of the (IMO) most rounded fighters outside of Fedor. Tore randleman a new one (and by the look of it, a new ankle and knee will be required aswell!) Seriously though, randleman needs to learn to tap! The leg bar was that on already, he had nowhere to go. TAP!
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3250/im00047774rg8.jpg