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Australia Day is approaching, but on what day should we be celebrating our National Day, January 1 the day of Federation, January 26 the day the First Fleet landed at Sydney or April 25 ANZAC Day.
None of the three.
New Years day is a celebration in it's own right
Jan 25 is okay for NSW
Apr 25 is associated with NZ so until they take their seats in parliament then that is not a true Aussie day.
So.......We need reasonable weather (s'pose impossible to forecast in Vic ;) ) therefore Oct-March.
Let's just make a day.......October the 32nd.....mmmmmmmmm.
maybe Mid November. We could build a huge memorial to Australia tracing its History and opening it on the third Friday in November 2002. Henceforth the 3rd Friday in November would be Australia day and wouldn't conflict with weekends. I think we all like an occassional long weekend.
Voice of Reason
11 Jan 2002, 10:53
I'd favour a late October/early November day too - at the moment all the public holidays are early in the year. Jan 26 isn't too popular with the Aboriginal population as it celebrates a day of invasion from their perspective.
I picked January 1, because it's the day all the states were official united as one, and although January 26 is an important date, I don't think we should celebrate the English landing on these shores and the massacre of innocent Aboriginals that followed. ANZAC should stay as it is.
I would like to celebrate the day we become a Republic, but that isn't going to happen in the near future, and when it does it will more than likely occur on the first day of the year.
Fat Red
11 Jan 2002, 13:26
Don't think we'd want late October/early November in Melbourne...we've already got Cup Day here and the weather's rubbish at that time of year. August please.
brampta
11 Jan 2002, 14:51
I like it where it is. :o
Don't want to put it on any other day where there is already a public holiday! (We are Australians and lazy by nature after all)
Australia Day in Perth is the best in the country and I'll always know it as one last final day of partying before its time to go back to uni/work/etc. It's a great way to wind up the summer break!
Bomber Spirit
12 Jan 2002, 12:48
Keep it where it is. I don't want 1st January, because I don't want to celebrate our national day while I've got a hangover all morning; and think we need a separate day to remember the armed forces people who died for our country.
joffa_pies4ever
12 Jan 2002, 13:45
Australia and australia day can get s.t.u.f.f.e.d with the way we now treat people seeking a better home from war and starvation proves only one thing and that is Auatralia is no longer different from the rest of the crap in the world...we are really becoming the laughing stock of the world.
We no longer tolerate
we no longer give a jack about anyone who is not white.
stick australia day up ur rectum!!!!
Bomber Spirit
12 Jan 2002, 14:23
???????
You're saying that you're no longer proud to be Australian because we hold assylum seekers while we work out who they are and why they want to come here? You'd have more pride in Australia if we opened the floodgates to everyone, no questions asked?
Santos L Helper
13 Jan 2002, 12:00
Originally posted by Bomber Spirit
???????
You're saying that you're no longer proud to be Australian because we hold assylum seekers while we work out who they are and why they want to come here? You'd have more pride in Australia if we opened the floodgates to everyone, no questions asked?
Maybe you should do a search on this topic and you'll find out that there are a lot of us who are embarrassed by our treatment of assylum seekers and don't agree with your vision for Australia.
ps. Australia Day should not be Jan 26 as it signifies the colonisation of a once proud race, and the attempted genocide which followed.
Originally posted by Bomber Spirit
???????
You're saying that you're no longer proud to be Australian because we hold assylum seekers while we work out who they are and why they want to come here? You'd have more pride in Australia if we opened the floodgates to everyone, no questions asked?
If it had to be one or the other then yes I would
joffa_pies4ever
13 Jan 2002, 22:06
Just because we were fortunate and lucky enough to be born in Australia doesnt mean we bloody well own it.
We have a responsibility to welcome those seeking safe refuge.
However we now dont, so down the toilet bowl we go as far as im concerned we are all nothing but crap!!!
I can understand that most people are upset at the way the refugees have been treated, however, you should give a thought to those people who after filling out all the necessary documentation etc to come to Australia, now have to wait even longer to get here....
In regards to the Australia Day question, leave it where it is, its too late to start mucking around with it now
Santos L Helper
14 Jan 2002, 07:04
Originally posted by iceman
I can understand that most people are upset at the way the refugees have been treated, however, you should give a thought to those people who after filling out all the necessary documentation etc to come to Australia, now have to wait even longer to get here....
In regards to the Australia Day question, leave it where it is, its too late to start mucking around with it now
It's never to late to right an injustice................never!!
Bomber Spirit
14 Jan 2002, 08:45
Originally posted by iceman
In regards to the Australia Day question, leave it where it is, its too late to start mucking around with it now
What would be a better day? 1st January and 25th April are already taken. Do we keep it at 26th January, which has a historical significance in our history, or think of another date?
As for the other issue, maybe I went over the top the other day, but I'm still proud to be Australian and don't believe Australia is a racist country.
I voted for Jan 26, cause I am lazy and I ain't giving up my long weekend in a couple of weeks.
But people, I think we are missing the important public holiday concern here...WHY ISN'T THE MONDAY AFTER THE LAST SATURDAY IN SEPTEMBER, A HOLIDAY IN VICTORIA????? :mad:
Fair dinkum, we have an event which is almost equivalent to New Years eve, plus the Brunswick Street festival the next day, so why don't we have that Monday off.
Surely the Queen's birthday/Labour day (who cares anyway!) can be moved to accomodate it?!?!?
Just one man's opinion.
Bomber Spirit
14 Jan 2002, 16:03
Originally posted by FIGJAM
But people, I think we are missing the important public holiday concern here...WHY ISN'T THE MONDAY AFTER THE LAST SATURDAY IN SEPTEMBER, A HOLIDAY IN VICTORIA????? :mad:
Surely the Queen's birthday/Labour day (who cares anyway!) can be moved to accomodate it?!?!?
You're making sense Figjam. Football is something unique and important to our culture (if we thought otherwise we wouldn't be on this board) and something we can all be proud of. Something that we should be celebrating.
Joe Mama
14 Jan 2002, 20:24
Well Joffa, to para-phrase the words of Stan Marsh from South Park, "Australia is like a team, if you don't support it, then get out of the stadium".
We would be better off with a few less Collingwood supporters, so get your arses down to the airport
Joe Mama
14 Jan 2002, 21:07
That goes for you (Joffa) and AlfAndrews
Joe Mama
14 Jan 2002, 21:23
I'll take that back, at least Alf contributes to the debates here on Bigfooty, you Joffa, just rant like a lunatic.
Briedis
21 Jan 2002, 09:01
I like where Australia Day is and it is always a good day....
I don't think New years Day is deserving of a holiday, neither is Melbourne Cup day for a five minute horse race. There are too many public holidays for insignificant things. Show Day? Gimme a break!
Australia Day should be on January 1, to commemorate the anniversary of Federation.
Santos L Helper
22 Jan 2002, 07:02
Originally posted by Swanny
I love Australia Day as it is :), nothing better to sit down and have a picnic at the beach or at Bobbin Head in the sun.
I wonder if the Aboriginal people thought the same thing as they watched the first fleet sail in?
The Hitman
22 Jan 2002, 07:23
January 1 is New Year's Day. April 25 is ANZAC Day. Labour Day is chucked in somewhere, and us Vics have Melbourne Cup Day on the first Tuesday in November.
So what of Australia Day?
Leave it where it is. I see where you are coming from Frank, but if not January 26, then when? It has to be a date of signifigance, not one just conveniently placed on the calender.
If the English didn't land here on January 26, we wouldn't have a nation. Almost 204 years on, I think it would be inappropriate to move the nations national day because of an injustice done when none of us were around.
Just leave it where it is, I see no problem with it.
The Hitman
Originally posted by Bomber Spirit
You're making sense Figjam.
Geez...I must have been drunk that day!
Originally posted by Swanny
I love Australia Day as it is :), nothing better to sit down and have a picnic at the beach or at Bobbin Head in the sun.
Firstly, I must profess complete childish hilarity at the name "Bobbin Head". :D
Australia Day for me means half a slab and a barbie, with Tripple J's Hottest 100 going off its nut. I supose that is a good Aussie way to spend Australia Day!!!
The Hitman
22 Jan 2002, 16:16
Originally posted by FIGJAM
Australia Day for me means half a slab and a barbie, with Tripple J's Hottest 100 going off its nut. I supose that is a good Aussie way to spend Australia Day!!!
Same. Good food, good music, and good alcohol...all on a public holiday! :D
The Hitman
Bomber Spirit
23 Jan 2002, 20:37
Originally posted by FIGJAM
Firstly, I must profess complete childish hilarity at the name "Bobbin Head". :D
Better than Rooty Hill;)
vanders
23 Jan 2002, 22:22
Originally posted by joffa_pies4ever
Just because we were fortunate and lucky enough to be born in Australia doesnt mean we bloody well own it.
We have a responsibility to welcome those seeking safe refuge.
However we now dont, so down the toilet bowl we go as far as im concerned we are all nothing but crap!!!
Well Joff, if youre so unhappy with the way things are, feel free to try and find somewhere better.
Joe Mama
25 Jan 2002, 21:02
Don't worry Vanders, when I go on an inane rant (which is far too often, if you ask most people who read my garbage), the best thing to do is lay down and think of something else :D
joffa well said
at least you can be comfortable that you wont have to explain to god why you were a self centered selfish bastard who couldnt give 2 cents to help his fellow man, i pity those that will have to come up with an excuse
Santos L Helper
26 Jan 2002, 16:50
Originally posted by vanders
Well Joff, if youre so unhappy with the way things are, feel free to try and find somewhere better.
The typical response from the ignorant. 'Love it or leave it' is the type of thing you expect from people who have no idea about the topic being discussed.
'peanut gallery'!!
Originally posted by Santos L Helper
The typical response from the ignorant. 'Love it or leave it' is the type of thing you expect from people who have no idea about the topic being discussed.
'peanut gallery'!!
I disagree Santos.
Vanders was hardly saying "piss off somewhere else then".
With all the faults people find about our system of government, justice, the apparently conservative voting public, and society in general, you wonder why they stay here at all? Far be it for me or anyone else to tell Joffa he should leave the country - but I am genuinely curious why he hasn't if he hates it so much.
It's somewhat ironic that in a country that allows freedom of speech, some people use it only to condemn everything... yet when asked to put principle into practice, they don't, because they realise how lucky they are.
London Dave
26 Jan 2002, 19:07
Got this in an email on Australia day. Some of you may have seen it, but its pretty amusing, and says a lot about Australia to boot.
http://www.satirewire.com/news/jan02/australia.shtml
Dr AlfAndrews
26 Jan 2002, 20:50
Given the pathetic boot-licking that our present Prime Miniature engages in, and the servile kowtowing that passes for foreign policy in this country, I reckon a more appropriate day for us to celebrate would be the 4th of July.
joffa_pies4ever
27 Jan 2002, 00:22
Now darky and all you other simplistic fools.
Have a good look around and if your happy with present day australia well i have great sorrow for you.
I am not proud to be an australian i am proud of australia's past.
We are a society ridden with drugs and still we have a zero tolerance policy.
We have a massive employment problem that has been swept under the carpet by all governments.
The welfare system we have now is designed to condemn not help.
We have a public hospital system that cannot cope.
We no longer respect or care for our elderly.
We now have record numbers of homelessness, thousands of people here in melb alone are sleeping outside in cars and parks and streets and how do i know this because im now in a programme with a welfare organisation to seekout these poor souls and give them a blanket and a bit of food and generally make them feel wanted.
I am deeply hurt and ashamed of OUR treatment towards refugees, the scare campaign certainly has all australians bluffed,The tampa boat affair was sickening and the trouble we now have at woomera has been bought on by lethargic australians with no heart and compassion led by the most evil and uncaring goverment in our history.
We justify our crappy stance on this subject with the boring belief that it is costing us too much money to accomodate and help these most unfortunate people into our society...yet we sit by and say nothing about the incredible waste of public funds by all state governments and the federal government.
The only lucky thing about australia is its postion geographically.
The poor and the disadvantaged have become the great evil in
our society, once upon a time aussies cared and were the first to want to help, now all we want to do is bignote ourselves and kick those who cannot kick back and dont dare think for one minute that we are the luckiest country in the world just ask the poor and the sick and the refugees and the unwanted elderly and the disadvantaged and the homeless if they really believe that crap.
What happened to 'a fair go for all' and finishing off here my heart goes out to all them kiddies at woomera gee what a fantastic impression they will have of orstralia!!
The only good thing that's happened to us lately is the retirement of that red headed biggot from queensland!!!
The Hitman
27 Jan 2002, 04:55
Originally posted by joffa_pies4ever
I am not proud to be an australian i am proud of australia's past.
We are a society ridden with drugs...
This from the guy who was both drunk and stoned when I met him... :o ;)
The Hitman
So Joffa, you're ashamed of the Australia that knocks back refugees, but you're proud of Australia's past (where governments persecuted and segregated the Aboriginal community)?
You're a very strange fellow.
Dr AlfAndrews
27 Jan 2002, 10:17
Originally posted by joffa_pies4ever
Have a good look around and if your happy with present day australia well i have great sorrow for you.
I am not proud to be an australian i am proud of australia's past.
We are a society ridden with drugs and still we have a zero tolerance policy.
We have a massive employment problem that has been swept under the carpet by all governments.
The welfare system we have now is designed to condemn not help.
We have a public hospital system that cannot cope.
We no longer respect or care for our elderly.
We now have record numbers of homelessness
I am deeply hurt and ashamed of OUR treatment towards refugees, the scare campaign certainly has all australians bluffed,The tampa boat affair was sickening and the trouble we now have at woomera has been bought on by lethargic australians with no heart and compassion led by the most evil and uncaring goverment in our history ...
The only lucky thing about australia is its postion geographically.
... once upon a time aussies cared and were the first to want to help, now all we want to do is bignote ourselves and kick those who cannot kick back ...
What happened to 'a fair go for all' ...
Edited highlights from Joffa's finest post ever. Congratulations on putting it so well.
To answer Darky's crticism ... there's nothing terribly "strange" about being proud of Australia's past despite the treatment of indigenous Australians. Our genocidal and assimilationist policies towards Aboriginal Australians have been a blot on an otherwise proud history of egalitarianism.
Australia, since Federation, has led the world in social justice. Unfortunately this all started to go pear-shaped in the late 1980s, as we became so obsessed with globalisation that we began to lower our standards to those of the rest of the world. This process has accelerated since 1996, when the selfish over-affluence of our swinging voters allowed them to elect a mean-spirited pack of thugs to run the country and turn us into an international disgrace.
I am proud to have been part of a once-great country.
But I am deeply ashamed of what this country has degenerated into. It could have all been so much better. But what have we got ...
Howard, Abbott, Costello, Ruddock ...
... and the idiots that voted them in.
To those people who say" If you don't like it ... leave" ... I have this to say ...
YOU are the ones who should leave. Why don't you rack off to America where you belong. Instead of turning MY country into another state of the U.S.A.
66MunsterT
27 Jan 2002, 10:20
Originally posted by Darky
So Joffa, you're ashamed of the Australia that knocks back refugees, but you're proud of Australia's past (where governments persecuted and segregated the Aboriginal community)?
You're a very strange fellow.
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Encore, Encore.
joffa_pies4ever
27 Jan 2002, 11:10
It really troubles you doesnt it darky? Yeah fancy that a knock about collingwood fella like me who does care about the way in which australia is headed.
And dont dare even try to imply i dont care about our past with the aboriginal people, i worked voluntary for many years in helping and assisting the aboriginal community. How dare you imply that my meaning of being proud of Australia's past could possibly mean i dont care what happened to the aboriginies.
If you were to read my past postings more carefully you would know where i stand on that shameful subject.
Darky this has nothing with myself being a collingwood person and it has nothing to do with myself supporting a labour government. im a person who heartaches at the injustice bought upon many classes of people by an uncaring and evil government and if that makes me a wretch well so be it.
And to the child who comes under the name of 'hitman' yes i do smoke dope on occasions and i love a drink with my friends.
Oh ok i get it because i regularly smoke dope it sort of dismisses any credibility i have discussing social issues ?
For a 16 year old your a very credible person arnt you hitman ? you dance around bigfooty thinking you know it all, but mate you know nothing about what im talking about because once upon a time Australia and australians did care !!
It saddens me greatly that you disagree with what i am trying to say but then again im not really suprised if your the next uncaring and selfish generation god help us all!!
66MunsterT
27 Jan 2002, 13:30
Originally posted by joffa_pies4ever
It really troubles you doesnt it darky? Yeah fancy that a knock about collingwood fella like me who does care about the way in which australia is headed.
And dont dare even try to imply i dont care about our past with the aboriginal people, i worked voluntary for many years in helping and assisting the aboriginal community. How dare you imply that my meaning of being proud of Australia's past could possibly mean i dont care what happened to the aboriginies.
If you were to read my past postings more carefully you would know where i stand on that shameful subject.
Darky this has nothing with myself being a collingwood person and it has nothing to do with myself supporting a labour government. im a person who heartaches at the injustice bought upon many classes of people by an uncaring and evil government and if that makes me a wretch well so be it.
And to the child who comes under the name of 'hitman' yes i do smoke dope on occasions and i love a drink with my friends.
Oh ok i get it because i regularly smoke dope it sort of dismisses any credibility i have discussing social issues ?
For a 16 year old your a very credible person arnt you hitman ? you dance around bigfooty thinking you know it all, but mate you know nothing about what im talking about because once upon a time Australia and australians did care !!
It saddens me greatly that you disagree with what i am trying to say but then again im not really suprised if your the next uncaring and selfish generation god help us all!!
On occasions, Regularly. :confused: :confused:
When the Fog clears, come in and try again.
P.S I Personally wouldn't listen to any argument from a Person that is High, Drunk, or isn't Mantis or Darky.
Don't take this personally Joffa as I'm only stating my opinion and that's whats this Forum is supposed to be about.
Have a good Day.
Cheers from the the Munster.
:) :) :)
joffa_pies4ever
27 Jan 2002, 14:07
Its a shame isnt it, the ignorant have no argument so they pick at what they believe will give them the points, silly childlike bigheaded morons who actually believe in there pityful self importance.
I had 5 joints last year you see im the sort of person who loves having a good time with my mates, i dont crave false friendships with faceless people on internet bullettin boards.
I dont drink at home and i dont bong on at home, and im proud to care and feel for those who are not as fortunate as ourselves and until my last gasp in this life i will stick up for the socially disadvantaged.
Refugees make money
its just that the government you so love doesnt give it to you
because you see despite your braniwashing they couldnt care less about you
instead a wealthy billionare is allowed to exploit those "rabbid" refugees for thier technological skills and makes about 1 billion dollars from them per year,
so taxpayers pay 600 million, rich guy having sex wtih johnny makes 1 billion
and the average idiot thinks all of these people are braindead
btw the "reserve bank" which most ppl think controlls our money and keeps us steady is more or less a private organisation that has no money, it uses nothing but fiat money, ie nonexistant money, same with the yanks.
did you know the streets above the white house draw a pentagram, the ones to the west and east both draw satanic symbols too, of course its a fluke, george bush loves you
The Hitman
28 Jan 2002, 05:41
I just thought what you said was hypocritical, that is all, Joff.
Anyway, what specifics of good ol' Australia do you look back at, and do you wish were still around. What these days pissses you off?
I can only speak for what I see, and whil I think the world is a harsh, superficial place, and sometimes I wish I wasn't here, I believe I'd rather be living in this time rather than any other.
Every generation will have a bitch about the current one. I'm sure my great-grandmother bitched to my grandmother about her new generation coming up, way back in the 1950's.
You just have to remember, it's all subjective, and it's not The gospel according to Joffa. While I respect your opinions (and that drunk and stoned think was a lil' jibe - nothing personal), you have to respect other points of view too.
I'm proud of Australia's past, but don't let the good times of the past make you ashamed of us now.
The Hitman
vanders
28 Jan 2002, 10:46
Joffa I can see where you are coming from, but the thing is, as much as alot of people would like to, you just cant let them wander into the country.
Fair enuf you want to give everyone a fair go, but how can you when they dont have any papers, no ID, and we have no knowledge of their past? Surely you need some sort of background information on a person before you let them into the country, otherwise any wise guy could just float in on his boat.
What really annoys me about this is that they are being clothed and fed, and are living in better conditions than what they would be if they were at home. So they dont exactly have any freedom, but to try and quicken the process by sewing their lips together, burning their facilities and now making suicide pacts is silly, theyre just making it harder on themselves. But most of all, the worst thing about it is seeing the protestors out the front with signs saying *I'm on a hunger strike until this racism stops* Where do they pull that kinda stuff from? Where does racism fit into it?
As far as i can see it, they're Visa's would probably be issued alot sooner if they just co-operated and waited, instead of causing so many headaches.
joffa_pies4ever
28 Jan 2002, 11:00
Originally posted by The Hitman
I just thought what you said was hypocritical, that is all, Joff.
Anyway, what specifics of good ol' Australia do you look back at, and do you wish were still around. What these days pissses you off?
I can only speak for what I see, and whil I think the world is a harsh, superficial place, and sometimes I wish I wasn't here, I believe I'd rather be living in this time rather than any other.
Every generation will have a bitch about the current one. I'm sure my great-grandmother bitched to my grandmother about her new generation coming up, way back in the 1950's.
You just have to remember, it's all subjective, and it's not The gospel according to Joffa. While I respect your opinions (and that drunk and stoned think was a lil' jibe - nothing personal), you have to respect other points of view too.
I'm proud of Australia's past, but don't let the good times of the past make you ashamed of us now.
The Hitman
We are all brothers and sisters, country, race nor religeon should not stop us from caring and wanting to help, once we stop caring we might as well just roll over and die.
The woomera and tampa boat saga's is pure racism if they were white and english speaking people they would be welcomed with open arms.
Infact it is my belief that this will bring down the howard government and the sooner that happens the better we will be.
I dont have all the answers but i know that hatred will never solve anything, the howard government has brainwashed the orstralians into believing these people are evil and terrorist well done howard and ruddock you have divided this country very nicely.
In answer to your post and without wanting to sound over the top the world we are living in now is fast approaching its final chapter, granted we have allways had wars and poverty and all types of human misery but the one thing that is clearer today is people no longer care, once upon a time and not that long ago the majority cared now sadly to say its the minority who care, and why is this? we have become to fast too quick, family units are breaking down at an alarming rate,we have become motivated by greed, the refugee crisis and the majority of hate directed to these unfortunate people only shows that we no longer care about others, the 'it's better to kick than help mentality' is creeping in and firmly entrenching its self into society.
As human beings our first response should be to welcome these people with love and opened arms !!
The younger generation your generation hitman has the power to change things for the better if not your generation will certainly witness earth's final days, dont be corrupted by evil governments allways stand up for the socially disadvantaged, your generation must become strong in its endeavour to love and help those in need.
joffa_pies4ever
28 Jan 2002, 11:23
Originally posted by vanders
Joffa I can see where you are coming from, but the thing is, as much as alot of people would like to, you just cant let them wander into the country.
Fair enuf you want to give everyone a fair go, but how can you when they dont have any papers, no ID, and we have no knowledge of their past? Surely you need some sort of background information on a person before you let them into the country, otherwise any wise guy could just float in on his boat.
What really annoys me about this is that they are being clothed and fed, and are living in better conditions than what they would be if they were at home. So they dont exactly have any freedom, but to try and quicken the process by sewing their lips together, burning their facilities and now making suicide pacts is silly, theyre just making it harder on themselves. But most of all, the worst thing about it is seeing the protestors out the front with signs saying *I'm on a hunger strike until this racism stops* Where do they pull that kinda stuff from? Where does racism fit into it?
As far as i can see it, they're Visa's would probably be issued alot sooner if they just co-operated and waited, instead of causing so many headaches.
VANDERS
The first thing we have to remember is they are human beings with feelings i imagine the same as you and myself. I dont have the answers vanders and obviously our uncaring government has no answer either.
These people are imprisoned in a desert, but congrats vanders howard and ruddock will be pleased there propaganda machine has obviously won you over, stuck in a shed in a hot stinking desert= good living conditions ? and how do we know about such luxuries vanders when media is banned from entering the woomera refugee camp.
Scenario for you vanders your living in melbourne and all you have known and witnessed is civil wars and murders, your family butchered to death for not following strict religous belief's, you have no food, your family members are allways sick, your poor and opressed, There is a boat waiting to leave frankston pier to take you and your loving family members to a better place to a far away land which once offered hope and love, tell me vanders what would you do ?
And please lets get away from the propaganda crap that these people are terrorist and there only need to get here is to bomb the crap out of orstralia.
They are human beings vanders and should be treated with love and care.
What's just as strange, is that so many people seek to condemn Australians and their government for being too cautious with refugees, yet you don't condemn the regimes which CREATE refugee crises.
Originally posted by Dr AlfAndrews
YOU are the ones who should leave. Why don't you rack off to America where you belong. Instead of turning MY country into another state of the U.S.A.
To paraphrase this, "if you don't agree with what I believe in, you should leave"... it's that mentality which creates conflicts and potentially creates refugee problems.