Limp Bizkit-What do you think of them?

[dogboy23]

It seems everybody has an opinion on them and most are divided what do you guys think of Limp Bizkit.

[Magpie-Fletch]

Like a lot of bands out there they are very well marketed and the amount of coverage and exposure they get is ridiculous.

Wes Borland is a big loss and will be hard to replace.

[Mooster7]

There are a lot worse. I could name hundreds of bands and styles I greatly dislike before I get to Bizkit. They do play metal, and they play their own instruments. That's a good thing.

Now, let me tell you what I don't like about them. I've only seen one guy who could actually play a seven string guitar, and he was a jazz player. He was phenomenal. Everyone else (including Limpy) cannot play them at all by comparison. They just use the extra string to bash low one-finger power chords. They may as well use a six string with drop D tuning or play a bass.

I've seen both Wes Borland & "DJ Lethal" play seperately sitting in with other bands. They suck. When they aren't playing together (and when playing anything other than Bizkit tunes) they quite simply suck as guitarists.

Let me end on a positive note. If you are going to get into the BS rap businesss, Limp Bizkit is the way to do it.

[Macca19]

I used to think Limp Bizkit were alright. '$3 bill y'all' was a pretty good album with a few good tracks on it (Counterfeit, Stuck)...but you could tell that they werent the real deal when Faith was their first single and most popular song to date. I reckon any band thats commercial success rides on the back of a cover song (Limp Bizkit 'Faith', Orgy 'Blue Monday', Alien Ant Farm 'Smooth Criminal') they must be lacking material of their own. And each of those bands do lack material.
Significant Other was a reasonable album...very commercialised and showed that all Fred wanted to do was swear and act like a tool. On the success of that album Fred turned into a Grade A fukwit. Had a go at a number of bands including the band that gave them a record deal - Korn.
Chocolate Starfish is one of the worst albums from a *cough* "metal" band ive heard. It isnt metal....its Hard Pop. Its a disgrace, Limp Bizkit is a disgrace. The only real talented person in the band is Sam Rivers (bass) who is reasonable....the rest are hacks. I mean people thought Wes Borland was a great guitarist due to the fact he dressed up. Pity he only ever knew how to play 3 chords. Chocolate Starfish is full of just recycled riffs....i sat down and found 4-5 riffs that they had played in previous songs on other records...some of them really really obvious too. Wes Borland is one of the most talentless guitarists around...i could play half of Significant Other on Guitar and ive never had a lesson in my life and only used a guitar at my ex girlfriends house. Learnt half the songs in about 20 minutes.

Its also very sad when a bands commercial success rides on the fact they say 'F**K' every few words. I mean how bloody lame. Hot Dog is a joke of a song. Every single one of there top 40 hit songs (Faith, Nookie, Rollin, My Generation, My Way) has had the word f**k in it at least 5 times. Its like its the only way they sell singles/records.

In the end i think they are a joke of a band but they are very good for what they are around for: hard pop-metal for 13-17 year old townies who wear baggy jeans 40 sizes too big and swear there arse off. Also good for the bandwagon teenyboppers who jump on and off bands at the flick of a finger.

I hate to say it but Limp Bizkit have become just like their song 'Counterfeit'. God news for ya Fred ya tubby ****er "WE'RE SICK OF YOU TOOOOOO, COS YOU'RE A COUNTERFEIT...FAKE"

[SydneyBomber]

Originally posted by Mooster7

I've only seen one guy who could actually play a seven string guitar, and he was a jazz player.

Ever seen Steve Vai? He pioneered the 7 string, and definitely didn't just chugg on the b string.

He may be a bit ****y, but he sure can play.

[BW]

Originally posted by Macca19
I used to think Limp Bizkit were alright. '$3 bill y'all' was a pretty good album with a few good tracks on it (Counterfeit, Stuck)...but you could tell that they werent the real deal when Faith was their first single and most popular song to date. I reckon any band thats commercial success rides on the back of a cover song (Limp Bizkit 'Faith', Orgy 'Blue Monday', Alien Ant Farm 'Smooth Criminal') they must be lacking material of their own. And each of those bands do lack material.
Significant Other was a reasonable album...very commercialised and showed that all Fred wanted to do was swear and act like a tool. On the success of that album Fred turned into a Grade A fukwit. Had a go at a number of bands including the band that gave them a record deal - Korn.
Chocolate Starfish is one of the worst albums from a *cough* "metal" band ive heard. It isnt metal....its Hard Pop. Its a disgrace, Limp Bizkit is a disgrace. The only real talented person in the band is Sam Rivers (bass) who is reasonable....the rest are hacks. I mean people thought Wes Borland was a great guitarist due to the fact he dressed up. Pity he only ever knew how to play 3 chords. Chocolate Starfish is full of just recycled riffs....i sat down and found 4-5 riffs that they had played in previous songs on other records...some of them really really obvious too. Wes Borland is one of the most talentless guitarists around...i could play half of Significant Other on Guitar and ive never had a lesson in my life and only used a guitar at my ex girlfriends house. Learnt half the songs in about 20 minutes.

Its also very sad when a bands commercial success rides on the fact they say 'F**K' every few words. I mean how bloody lame. Hot Dog is a joke of a song. Every single one of there top 40 hit songs (Faith, Nookie, Rollin, My Generation, My Way) has had the word f**k in it at least 5 times. Its like its the only way they sell singles/records.

In the end i think they are a joke of a band but they are very good for what they are around for: hard pop-metal for 13-17 year old townies who wear baggy jeans 40 sizes too big and swear there arse off. Also good for the bandwagon teenyboppers who jump on and off bands at the flick of a finger.

I hate to say it but Limp Bizkit have become just like their song 'Counterfeit'. God news for ya Fred ya tubby ****er "WE'RE SICK OF YOU TOOOOOO, COS YOU'RE A COUNTERFEIT...FAKE"


agree totally. Chocolate Starfish was so dodgy and rushed to keep there fame up. What also pisses me off is that they tried to keep the departure of Wes Borland secret so there teeni bopper fan base wouldnt even notice. Wes made the band in my opinion and he actually has talent and he saw where the bizkit were going and left cause they were going down the sh*thole.

[IAMDASH]

Originally posted by dogboy23
It seems everybody has an opinion on them and most are divided what do you guys think of Limp Bizkit.

Absolute pretenders. Lets hope history treats them very unkindly. I am sure it will.

[The Hitman]

Someone was arguing with me that Limp is a better band than Pearl Jam.

My argument?

"In ten years, you'll forget Limp Bizkit. they'll be no one. In ten years, the PJ fans will still be listening to Ten and claiming Black as one the best songs ever. That's the difference."

To be honest, I can't stand Fred Durst. Second rate music, for second rate music fans.

The Hitman

[The Hitman]

By the way, am I the only one who thinks that the song 'Hot Dog' is a complete rip-off of NIN"s 'Closer'? :mad:

The Hitman

[SydneyBomber]

Originally posted by The Hitman
By the way, am I the only one who thinks that the song 'Hot Dog' is a complete rip-off of NIN"s 'Closer'? :mad:

The Hitman

That was the point - to have a dig at Trent Reznor who'd called him a neanderthal (or something like that). Gee that Fred Durst knows how to get even huh.:rolleyes:

I kinda agree with Macca - I liked some of their earlier stuff, and don't find their new stuff too offensive - if a bit predictably 'stoopid'.

I wouldn't buy their albums, go to their shows, but I'd prefer to hear them on the radio than some of the R&B/Pop garbage passed off as 'music' these days.

PS. I though the guitarist was the only one with any sort of real talent. Most of their riffs were VERY standard/predictable and easy to play, but some of the stuff on their first 2 albums was done in an interesting way.

[Santos L Helper]

Well if it came down to this 'manufactured rubbish' against some other 'manufactured rubbish', I'll take Limp Bizkit everytime. As much as I may not like alot of what Fred says and the whole hype behind them, they are the best at what they do. All these other crap 'Nu Metal' bands are around because of Limp Bizkit. One way to look at it is to blame them for these other bands, another way is to say that they have inspired more people to at least try to create original (by this, I mean not covers) music and this is where I think they've had a good influence. Even if you hate the genre, the mere fact that new bands and music is happening because of their influence is good.

Hitman, I disagree with your comparison. Remember that you can't speak for everybody on this. Personally, I will be talking about Limp Bizkit much more frequently and positively than I will be about Pearl Jam. Just like Pearl Jam followers claim.........Limp Bizkit also were at the start of a musical movement. Yes, the Pearl Jam fans will still be talking about them in 10 years, and Limp bizkit fans will be talking about them in 10 years too. Your opinion of Durst may be clouding your opinion somewhat, just as my opinion of Vedder and Pearl Jam clouds my view of that genre.

To sum up, Limp Bizkit have been important in a new development in music (no matter how fake) and have been an inspiration to many new bands taking up arms (guitars) in the fight against musical apathy.

[The Hitman]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
Hitman, I disagree with your comparison. Remember that you can't speak for everybody on this. Personally, I will be talking about Limp Bizkit much more frequently and positively than I will be about Pearl Jam. Just like Pearl Jam followers claim.........Limp Bizkit also were at the start of a musical movement. Yes, the Pearl Jam fans will still be talking about them in 10 years, and Limp bizkit fans will be talking about them in 10 years too. Your opinion of Durst may be clouding your opinion somewhat, just as my opinion of Vedder and Pearl Jam clouds my view of that genre.


Disagree.

My point was that people - not even Limp Bizkit fans - will remember or care for them in ten years. Pearl Jam has been around for ten years, as popular as ever, and in ten years they'll still be popular, even if they don't exist.

Don't give Limp Bizkit credit they don't deserve. Korn started nu-metal, and they inspired Limp Bizkit. Listen to Korn's debut album - it is awesome. They have tapered off a little bit, but Limp Bizkit never caught my nerve, and in no way are the originators of that genre.

The Hitman

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
All these other crap 'Nu Metal' bands are around because of Limp Bizkit. One way to look at it is to blame them for these other bands, another way is to say that they have inspired more people to at least try to create original (by this, I mean not covers) music and this is where I think they've had a good influence. Even if you hate the genre, the mere fact that new bands and music is happening because of their influence is good.

To sum up, Limp Bizkit have been important in a new development in music

Cant agree with those statements at all. Limp Bizkit arent the pioneers of nu-metal. They might be the pioneers of rap-metal....and spawned other crap like Crazy Town and Linkin Park and Staind but not nu-metal. Korn and Sepultura pioneered 'nu-metal'...and Limp Bizkit is basically a product of Korn. Korn discovered Limp Bizkit...Korn took Limp on tour and made them famous.

Look in the linear notes of most nu-metal cds and youll find Korn and Sepultura are two of the first bands said...and Limp Bizkit rarely get a mention.

[Santos L Helper]

Again, your opinion. I have a copy of Korns first studio demo from 1993 ish and how can that be compared to Limp Bizkit? Granted they are both branded as 'Nu Metal' but where do korn rap and scratch like Limp Bizkit?
My opinion is that Korn Suck, while Limp Bizkit are good. Limp Bizkit, IN MY OPINION have surpassed Korn.

Also, how can you speak for other people that you don't know? It's pure conjecture, just as I am doing the same when I say that people will remember Pearl Jam for a bunch of whining sooks who sold depression to teenagers................a real hard sell.

[The_Flying_Egg]

Limp Biskit are pathetic ... they make me sick

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by The_Flying_Egg
Limp Biskit are pathetic ... they make me sick

A bold, educated and well thought out statement from your good self.;)

ps. Macca I remember you raving about Crazy Town one day we were discussing bands.
I disagree about Sepultura, they started closer to thrash metal than Nu Metal.

Personally I hate Nu Metal and like rap metal more. In fact, I think Cypress Hill do it best.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


ps. Macca I remember you raving about Crazy Town one day we were discussing bands.
I disagree about Sepultura, they started closer to thrash metal than Nu Metal.

Personally I hate Nu Metal and like rap metal more. In fact, I think Cypress Hill do it best.

LOL, not me mate!! I cant stand Crazy Town, never have liked em!
Sepultura despite originally being a trash band...the Roots album helped create the nu-metal genre. Listen to the songs on that, and most nu-metal bands today follow the same format.

[M29]

I prefer not to think about them.

[gPhonque]

Limp are what i call "blockbuster music." It's made to sell.

But why does that make it "crap"? Chocolate Starfish is an awesome album for what it is - blockbuster music. Made with piles of $$$ purely to make more piles of $$$. But just because it's been made with lots of money with the intent on making more money doesn't mean it's crap.

For a start, Chocolate Starfish is an amazing sounding album. It's different, fat, and technically perfect. That makes it interesting immediately to me.

Then the songs - and there's some great moments on it! "Boiler" is huge, and not a bad effort by Fred either. He sounds pissed off, the lyrics are pissed off, and the song just works for me. It's good. It's different. It's interesting! Same with "Livin It Up" - anyone who doesn't feel like jumping around like a nutcase after that breakdown in the middle ("gotta get it out with the motherfuuckin *microphone*..." etc) has to be braindead! Perhaps Fred lost the plot a little around that point but it's still Limp Bizkit doing what they do best!

In the same way that Gladiator is a good blockbuster movie - Chocolate Starfish it still a GOOD blockbuster album. (unlike countless other blockbuster albums/movies released every day.)

If you don't like it - fine. But to throw comments around like "they suck as guitarists" and "i could play half the album within 20mins" is just pointless crap. I bet you could play "Nevermind" by the end of your first listen too. I suppose that means Kurt "sucks"?

Limp are good at what they do. Anyone who thinks otherwise has let popular public thought get to them too much. (ie. It's "cool" to hate Limp Bizkit now as they've "sold out".)

[Nic]

I don't like them. I don't care if they are a commercially geared "sell-out" band, the only reason I don't listen to them is that I don't like their music.

[Macca19]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gPhonque

But why does that make it "crap"?

plenty of recycled, unoriginal riffs. Lyrics the standard of 10 year olds. The lyrics are a joke. The riffs are sub standard and recycled from songs from previous records (without sitting down and listening to the whole cd they recycled one of the riffs from Counterfeit im My Generation....and also recycled the chorus from Stuck in Full Nelson with different lyrics).
If all it takes to become multi million record selling band is the same general riff, saying f**k a dozen times and talking about breaking stuff, then i should move to America and try out there.

Chocolate Starfish is an awesome album for what it is - blockbuster music. Made with piles of $$$ purely to make more piles of $$$. But just because it's been made with lots of money with the intent on making more money doesn't mean it's crap.

Means its shallow in my opinion. As i wrote above...i find chocolate starfish crap because of the crappy lyrics and recycled riffs.

For a start, Chocolate Starfish is an amazing sounding album. It's different, fat, and technically perfect. That makes it interesting immediately to me.

over produced. Loses the raw sound a 'metal' band should have.

Then the songs - and there's some great moments on it! "Boiler" is huge, and not a bad effort by Fred either. He sounds pissed off, the lyrics are pissed off, and the song just works for me. It's good. It's different. It's interesting! Same with "Livin It Up" - anyone who doesn't feel like jumping around like a nutcase after that breakdown in the middle ("gotta get it out with the motherfuuckin *microphone*..." etc) has to be braindead! Perhaps Fred lost the plot a little around that point but it's still Limp Bizkit doing what they do best!

Theres also a lot of crap moments on the cd. I have reservations for bands thats feel the need to say 'f**k' a dozen times on each song, and whos choruses are filled with swear words.

I mean its probably the worst lyrical album ive heard...ever. The fact they wasted the first song on the cd as a payout to NIN, and that he actually seems to brag about saying f**k a lot "If i say F**K, two more times, that 46 F**KS in this *F**Ked up rhyme"!?! I mean you cant get much lamer. Ends up saying F**k about 50 times in that song....what a waste of a song...especially when it has one very moshable sound to it.
"Hey kid, take my advice, you dont wanna step into a big pile of s**t" - gee, well thought out lyrics there.

I strongly doubt Limp Bizkit could right a hit song without swearing in it. I dont find it offensive...i swear myself all the time...but i find it really lame that they have to swear so many times on an album? Its just a sales pitch to the early teenager who finds swearing really cool.
In Chocolate Starfish, Fred Durst says f**k 128 times (yes i counted them) and says other swear words 22 times. Bit overkill isnt it?? Could almost hold a case that he has tourettes syndrome.

As for the recycled bit...just had a listen to the cd...The first heavy riff after the quiet stage in the middle of the song is the same riff in Counterfeit at 3:47 in the song.
The chorus to Full Nelson is almost a carbon copy to the chorus to Stuck.

Limp are good at what they do. Anyone who thinks otherwise has let popular public thought get to them too much. (ie. It's "cool" to hate Limp Bizkit now as they've "sold out".)

I hate limp bizkit cos they bagged a number of my favourite bands, have become the most arrogant band on the universe, they have recycled riffs, stupid pathetic lyrics, and Fred Durst has the most whiny voice in music.
People here have had a go at bands like Jebediah, Something For Kate, Creed etc for having Whiny lyrics with whiny singers....Limp Bizkit is no different.

But as is all music...this is ALL personal opinion. We all shall shake hands and agree to disagree!!
:)

[SydneyBomber]

Originally posted by Macca19


LOL, not me mate!! I cant stand Crazy Town, never have liked em!
Sepultura despite originally being a trash band...the Roots album helped create the nu-metal genre. Listen to the songs on that, and most nu-metal bands today follow the same format.

The Seps WERE a pretty credible thrash band (Beneath the Remains & Arise!) they did not help start 'nu-metal'.

I have an interview with Max Cavalera pre-Chaos AD, where he talks about his stepson Dana (yes, the one that was killed) giving him tapes of Korn & Deftones. He believed this was the start of 'a new form of music that would be really fresh'.

The Seps then jumped on the bandwagon (and thus lost my respect).

Korn 'discovered' Limp Bizkit by taking them on tour, helping them get their deal, but Bizkit had been around for about the same time as Korn.

Maybe we should be thanking(cursing?:p ) Danzig for giving Korn their first break by taking them out on tour with them.
Danzig - the father of nu-metal - hahaha!:D

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Macca19

over produced. Loses the raw sound a 'metal' band should have.

Who are you to say what a band's album SHOULD sound like? That's a ridiculous comment Macca.

On one hand, you bag Limp Bizkit for recycling riffs, yet on the other hand, you bag them for doing something different with their production?

What a crock.

Does that also make "Toxicity" over produced? It was done by the same guy you know......and Toxicity is leaps and bounds above SOAD's first album in terms of production. Does that mean they've also sold out.....?

I take your point about the swearing completely.

I'm not a Limp Bizkit head by any means, but you seem to want bands to stick to what YOU think they should do, and that's crap. I suppose you also bagged Metallica when the black album came out because every song didn't go for 10 mins?

Limp Bizkit weren't put on this planet to give you your fix of "raw" production. That's such a stereotype - "loses the raw sound a metal band should have".

Like i said, Toxicity is anything but "raw". It's been produced to buggery - but it sounds damn good. Just as Chocolate Starfish sounds good. Okay, Fred's got a delay on his voice through half of it - so what!?

Does that mean if you were to put a metal band together, when it came to recording, you'd be trying to make it sound a certain way? That's not creative. That's called recycling what other people have already done. At least Limp dared to do something interesting with Choc Starfish.

If all it takes to become multi million record selling band is the same general riff, saying f**k a dozen times and talking about breaking stuff, then i should move to America and try out there.

You mean to say that you want to become a multi million record selling artist?

Isn't that a sell out? ;) :D

Don't you like Grinspoon? The band that have never written an original riff in their lives?

Helmet have much to answer for.....

But as is all music...this is ALL personal opinion. We all shall shake hands and agree to disagree!!

I agree!
cheers :)

[Santos L Helper]

gPhonque, I find it interesting that the two people who are defending Limp Bizkit are the only two people on this thread who have ever written a song in their lives.
I don't mean that to sound so arrogant, but maybe there's something in it?

[Bulldog1954]

I really think they suck simply because their songs suck. Durst's voice is so whiny I can't hardly bear listening. I also don't like them because of all that napster ****. Any one in the music industry knows napster is losing them big bucks and they only defend it to become popular

[Macca19]

Originally posted by gPhonque


Who are you to say what a band's album SHOULD sound like? That's a ridiculous comment Macca.

It was more of a tongue in cheek comment than anything...just giving an opposite view to yours.

On one hand, you bag Limp Bizkit for recycling riffs, yet on the other hand, you bag them for doing something different with their production?

you cant use the same riffs but make them overproduced??


Does that also make "Toxicity" over produced? It was done by the same guy you know......and Toxicity is leaps and bounds above SOAD's first album in terms of production. Does that mean they've also sold out.....?

Youve missed my point. I never said that because chocolate starfish was overproduced that thats the reason they are sell outs. And just because Toxicity is a marked improvement over s/t doesnt make it a sell out either. I dont think Starfish is a marked improvement over Significant Other....i think Signifcant Other is a much much better album musically and lyrically.

I'm not a Limp Bizkit head by any means, but you seem to want bands to stick to what YOU think they should do, and that's crap. I suppose you also bagged Metallica when the black album came out because every song didn't go for 10 mins?

Im not really a fan of metallica so i wouldnt know. Im all up for bands evolving, adding new elements...dont get me wrong....i dont want bands to sound exactly the same all troughout their career...thats boring. Korns style has changed...i think for the better. Spineshank changed for the better...so did Sevendust, as did Incubus. I think Limp Bizkit have changed into something worse than what they were. Same as i think Vision Of Disorder has changed their musical style for the worse....ditto Machine Head.
Anyway its got nothing to do with what I want...im not part of the band am i (obviously). And how come your making it sound like im the bad guy here....i just gave an opinion on why i dont like the Chocolate Starfish sound. Like you or Santos has never had an opinon like that before???

A lot of people think Korn sold out...yet they dont think Limp Bizkit did. If Korn "soldout" (i dont think they did) then what the fuks the difference with Limp Bizkit?

Limp Bizkit weren't put on this planet to give you your fix of "raw" production. That's such a stereotype - "loses the raw sound a metal band should have".

christ!!!!!! All i did was give an opinion and i get hounded! To me it just sounds too computerised. anyway, i dont LOVE the raw sound...all i said was it has lost the raw sound. In MY opinion i reckon it woulda sounded better if it wasnt as produced...but thats just me. I like a lot of albums that have had a lot of production...like Toxicity and Korns Issues album are two of my favourites.

Like i said, Toxicity is anything but "raw". It's been produced to buggery - but it sounds damn good. Just as Chocolate Starfish sounds good. Okay, Fred's got a delay on his voice through half of it - so what!?

so what? well i dunno...i dunno how to answer that if its a question or not. Its not a matter of the over production. I said before the reason i dont like the cd is because of the recycled riffs and pathetic lyrics.

anyway....my 'Loses the raw sound a 'metal' band should have.' line was to get a reaction....certainly got one :D ;)

Does that mean if you were to put a metal band together, when it came to recording, you'd be trying to make it sound a certain way? That's not creative. That's called recycling what other people have already done. At least Limp dared to do something interesting with Choc Starfish.

of course id bloody want my cd to sound a certain way. I really dont get your point. Every band wants to make their music sound a certain way. If i had a vision or a sound in my head that i wanted to produce, why wouldnt i wanna put that on cd??
That isnt recycling at all. If the sound in my head has never been done before, how can that be recycling other peoples ideas?

Chocolate Starfish is NOT revolutionary in the way it sounds...both White Pony by the Deftones and Issues by Korn have the same type of over production.

Santos...you used you think White Pony is crap...but you enjoy the Deftones other two cds. Whats the difference between that and me liking Limps first two cds but hating Starfish? :confused:

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
gPhonque, I find it interesting that the two people who are defending Limp Bizkit are the only two people on this thread who have ever written a song in their lives.
I don't mean that to sound so arrogant, but maybe there's something in it?

You think just because im not in a band ive never written a song before?? Doesnt sound arrogant, just doesnt sound...right. Even if i was in a band id still not like limp bizkit.

You also shouldnt assume that because im not in a band ive never written a song before.
Ive written a few songs before...the lyrics, guitars, bass and drums for a few songs. If i was in a band id get my band to play it to see if what it sounds like in my head sounds like in real life. I can write music alright...cant play any instruments very well tho.
Ive also written my own trance and drum n bass music....something thats very very very hard to do to get the sound EXACTLY how you want it.

[M29]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
gPhonque, I find it interesting that the two people who are defending Limp Bizkit are the only two people on this thread who have ever written a song in their lives.
I don't mean that to sound so arrogant, but maybe there's something in it?

Yeah, I spose. I probably could write something more interesting than those twats.

[M29]

Originally posted by Macca19


You think just because im not in a band ive never written a song before?? Doesnt sound arrogant, just doesnt sound...


It is arrogant. ****, I wonder how many music "critics" that write for NME, Q et al. have ever written a song, let alone know where middle ****ing C is on a keyboard.

[RacerX]

Originally posted by gPhonque
Limp are what i call "blockbuster music." It's made to sell.

But why does that make it "crap"? Chocolate Starfish is an awesome album for what it is - blockbuster music. Made with piles of $$$ purely to make more piles of $$$. But just because it's been made with lots of money with the intent on making more money doesn't mean it's crap.

For a start, Chocolate Starfish is an amazing sounding album. It's different, fat, and technically perfect. That makes it interesting immediately to me.

Then the songs - and there's some great moments on it! "Boiler" is huge, and not a bad effort by Fred either. He sounds pissed off, the lyrics are pissed off, and the song just works for me. It's good. It's different. It's interesting! Same with "Livin It Up" - anyone who doesn't feel like jumping around like a nutcase after that breakdown in the middle ("gotta get it out with the motherfuuckin *microphone*..." etc) has to be braindead! Perhaps Fred lost the plot a little around that point but it's still Limp Bizkit doing what they do best!

In the same way that Gladiator is a good blockbuster movie - Chocolate Starfish it still a GOOD blockbuster album. (unlike countless other blockbuster albums/movies released every day.)

If you don't like it - fine. But to throw comments around like "they suck as guitarists" and "i could play half the album within 20mins" is just pointless crap. I bet you could play "Nevermind" by the end of your first listen too. I suppose that means Kurt "sucks"?

Limp are good at what they do. Anyone who thinks otherwise has let popular public thought get to them too much. (ie. It's "cool" to hate Limp Bizkit now as they've "sold out".)

Yeah, I agree with you on this one gPhongue. I quite enjoyed chocolate starfish regardless of how the band may have sold out.

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Macca19


You think just because im not in a band ive never written a song before?? Doesnt sound arrogant, just doesnt sound...right. Even if i was in a band id still not like limp bizkit.

You also shouldnt assume that because im not in a band ive never written a song before.
Ive written a few songs before...the lyrics, guitars, bass and drums for a few songs. If i was in a band id get my band to play it to see if what it sounds like in my head sounds like in real life. I can write music alright...cant play any instruments very well tho.
Ive also written my own trance and drum n bass music....something thats very very very hard to do to get the sound EXACTLY how you want it.

Fair enough on the writing stuff. Maybe I should have said, written a song and had it accepted by other people as a viable piece of art? I wonder how you write music without playing instruments and having an idea of scales etc? If you can do it and it works, please impart this knowledge as it is gold. A song in your head is still a long way from a song good enough to present as your art. I hope you get the chance to find out what I mean one day Macca.
I think if you were in a band you may appreciate a bit more what goes into writing a song which is regarded as a good song. As a fan you obviously know what a good song is compared to crap, but it's just not that easy.
My last question is when did metal ever have anything to do with 'raw' production? Metal has always been linked to big expensive productions and excesses. Even when young metal bands from the 80's eg Metallica started out they always had better production than punk bands, it's the nature of the beast.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


Fair enough on the writing stuff. Maybe I should have said, written a song and had it accepted by other people as a viable piece of art? I wonder how you write music without playing instruments and having an idea of scales etc? If you can do it and it works, please impart this knowledge as it is gold. A song in your head is still a long way from a song good enough to present as your art. I hope you get the chance to find out what I mean one day Macca.

true. I can play the guitar very averagly...i know how to play a few songs, i can play drums very very averagly. Bass i wouldnt have a clue. I can write music, i can read music, i can read tabs....i just cant play any instruments. If i could be bothered id pay a heap of money and go get a guitar and get some lessons but i dont have the money for it, nor could i be all that bothered. Ive had friends play my riffs before and they sound 100% average. No way would i present it as my art tho. Now i never said ive written GOOD songs...but i have written songs. I wouldnt want anyone else to hear my songs....probly get laughed at.
Ive thought about sending my electronic stuff into some labels to see if they like it, but im too shy and not confident enough in my own ability to do that. Plus if i did geta contract and suddenly one of my songs is the biggest dance hit of all time i wouldnt know what to bloody do! Too shy to become famous! And now im getting wwaaayyyyyy too ahead of myself.

I think if you were in a band you may appreciate a bit more what goes into writing a song which is regarded as a good song. As a fan you obviously know what a good song is compared to crap, but it's just not that easy.

I have the utmost respect for musicians....all of them are very talented in what they do. i know i couldnt do better myself and really who am i to judge. I just expected more on Starfish than what was there. I dunno...maybe the content didnt honour the production, and thats where i get my over produced comment from. I know Limp Bizkit would of put out the best cd they could possibly do, i just found it a dissapointment and let down compared to Significant Other.


My last question is when did metal ever have anything to do with 'raw' production? Metal has always been linked to big expensive productions and excesses. Even when young metal bands from the 80's eg Metallica started out they always had better production than punk bands, it's the nature of the beast.

fair enough, my bad. I just prefer the chunky sound given on say $3 bill y'all compared to the computerised sound on Starfish. Then again, i prefered the computerised sound of Issues compared to the rawness and chunkyness of Korn s/t.

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Macca19
And how come your making it sound like im the bad guy here....

Nothing wrong with a bit of friendly debate.

christ!!!!!! All i did was give an opinion and i get hounded!

Yep! Don't you love BigFooty? :D

Anyway, i think we've cleared up what we wanted to say. I respect the fact that you have an opinion on Limp Bizkit, but i didn't accept the reasons you gave to back up your opinion - meaning that i disagreed with your opinion, and thought it worthy of an argument. :D

But that's cool. All will be forgotten around the time SOAD come on anyway. ;)

[Macca19]

Originally posted by gPhonque


Nothing wrong with a bit of friendly debate.

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Yep! Don't you love BigFooty? :D

Anyway, i think we've cleared up what we wanted to say. I respect the fact that you have an opinion on Limp Bizkit, but i didn't accept the reasons you gave to back up your opinion - meaning that i disagreed with your opinion, and thought it worthy of an argument. :D

But that's cool. All will be forgotten around the time SOAD come on anyway. ;) [/B]

Ah its all good!! And wont i be going off by the time SOAD hit that stage!!

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper
gPhonque, I find it interesting that the two people who are defending Limp Bizkit are the only two people on this thread who have ever written a song in their lives.
I don't mean that to sound so arrogant, but maybe there's something in it?

Well, without meaning to sound arrogant in reply, of course there is!

Everyone's a music critic. But so few actually know anything about music. They know what they like - and that's it.