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Well, the fact is that, for ten seconds yesterday, the Bulldogs had nineteen players on the ground during the last quarter. The interchance steward didn't realise, so nothing was done.
A stupid mix up from our players involved (I think Skipper was the main culperate), but we were lucky that it wasn't picked up.
OldSchool
4 Jun 2006, 17:48
Well, the fact is that, for ten seconds yesterday, the Bulldogs had nineteen players on the ground during the last quarter. The interchance steward didn't realise, so nothing was done.
A stupid mix up from our players involved (I think Skipper was the main culperate), but we were lucky that it wasn't picked up.
Boyd saved the day when he realised we had one too many and rushed off.
Silly mistake never the less
Wind Sock
4 Jun 2006, 17:52
Would I be right in thinking that the other side has to call for a count there and then? I'm pretty sure that used to be the rule and I don't recall hearing about it being chnaged. Had Hawthorn done so, we'd have lost our score to that point. I don't think there is any provision for changing a result after the match. I sure hope not.
OldSchool
4 Jun 2006, 18:02
Would I be right in thinking that the other side has to call for a count there and then? I'm pretty sure that used to be the rule and I don't recall hering about it being chnaged. Had Hawthorn done so, we'd have lost our score to that point. I don't think there is any provision for changing a results after the match. I sure hope not.
It's a silly rule. The captain has to request it from the umpire who stops the game and starts the count. From memory about the rule, if Skipper had have touched the ball we could have been in trouble.
I think the AFL needs to rethink this rule because there would very likely be a bloodbath amongst supporters if an otherwise evenly matched game resulted in a teams score going back to zero.
Having witnessed first hand what happens to the game and the supporters when this rule is applied you would not want to see it at this level.
Wind Sock
4 Jun 2006, 18:10
I think the AFL needs to rethink this rule because there would very likely be a bloodbath amongst supporters if an otherwise evenly matched game resulted in a teams score going back to zero.
Having witnessed first hand what happens to the game and the supporters when this rule is applied you would not want to see it at this level.
No kidding! It'd be a farce, wouldn't it? Like the amazing case of the inaudible siren all over again, only worse since the spectators would watch it unfold and .. er .. react.
:rolleyes:
This was one really stupid "mistake" - could have cost us dearly.
We were very lucky it was not picked up at the time.
Stupid rule or not - it can be devestating for a club to lose their hard earned score.
The Coon Dog
4 Jun 2006, 18:36
I once spoke with the former umpire John Russo who said that if a count was called & it was established that there were more than 18 players on the field, then the umpire was instructed to ask the scorers (goal umpires) to write the scores AT THAT TIME in their scorecards & continue playing with the scores continuing as if nothing had happened.
After the game the matter had to be referred to the AFL for determination, but the score DOES NOT go back to zero at that time (it may do so tho in junior leagues).
Given he was an AFL umpire I'd like to think he was correct (tho it has been known for umpires to get things wrong - apologies to Derek Humphry-Smith who avows unflinchingly that umpires NEVER get it wrong).
OldSchool
4 Jun 2006, 18:38
No kidding! It'd be a farce, wouldn't it? Like the amazing case of the inaudible siren all over again, only worse since the spectators would watch it unfold and .. er .. react.
:rolleyes:
I'd hate to see how supporters would react and I think there would be a real riot.
It's something that needs to be reviewed.
OldSchool
4 Jun 2006, 18:40
After the game the matter had to be referred to the AFL for determination, but the score DOES NOT go back to zero at that time (it may do so tho in junior leagues).
I hope that is right. Seems logical and thats why I mentioned that I think we could have been in trouble if Skipper had have actually touched the football.
jd hot stuff
4 Jun 2006, 18:51
:eek:Looks like we were lucky to get away with taht stupid mistake.:D
Captain Sensible
4 Jun 2006, 22:03
Law 5.5.3 Players Exceeding Permitted Number
Where a Team has more than the permitted number of Players on the Playing Surface, the following shall apply:
(a) a field Umpire shall award a Free Kick to the captain or acting captain of the opposing Team, which shall be taken at the Centre Circle or where play was stopped, whichever is the greater penalty against the offending Team;
(b) a Fifty-Metre Penalty shall then be imposed from the position where the Free Kick was awarded; and
(c) the Team shall lose all points which it has scored in the Match up to the time of the count.
Meshugeh
4 Jun 2006, 22:14
It is likely that we will be fined for this.
Had Sam Mitchell asked the umpires for a player count during the approx. 10 seconds that the infringement occurred, and we were found to have too many players on the field, technically our score could have been reset to zero.
As far as I know, this has never happened in modern VFL/AFL history.
Apparently calling for a head count during a game used to be relatively common, but the rules were changed to penalise the team calling for the count if their opponents had the correct number of players on the ground.
scooter600x
5 Jun 2006, 10:48
The AFL appoints interchange stewards. How could this happen?
Bulldog1954
5 Jun 2006, 16:17
We were very lucky. I was sitting behind the bench and Skipper was coming off for Streeter. Skip was nearly off when Streeter ran on through the gates but 2 or 3 metres away. The ball then came and Skip turned around and got it while he and Streeter were both on.
The AFL appoints interchange stewards. How could this happen?
Because the bulldog player just ran on the ground.
What do you want the interchange steward to do, go and hold his jumper, and stop him running on.
The bulldog bench were yelling at Skipper to come off, while the Hawthorn bench were yelling at the umpires telling them that there was 19 on the ground.
Skipper couldn't come off, because he had actually taken possession of the ball.
Captain Sensible
5 Jun 2006, 16:44
Because the bulldog player just ran on the ground.
What do you want the interchange steward to do, go and hold his jumper, and stop him running on.
The bulldog bench were yelling at Skipper to come off, while the Hawthorn bench were yelling at the umpires telling them that there was 19 on the ground.
Skipper couldn't come off, because he had actually taken possession of the ball.
Nearly the same thing happened with Farren Ray. He'd just walked off the ground and after he turned to watch play the ball went out of bounds and bounced up into his hands. His first instinct was to walk back over the boundary and handball the ball, but the boundary umpire got to him first. Think it was in the second quarter.
:o How embarrassing!
The AFL has called the Bulldogs to task to explain how 19 players were on the field at the same time on Saturday.
Thank goodness Hawthorn didn't notice and call for a player count. We could have lost the game and therefore our premiership points.
As it is the Club will have to fork about $5000 in fines if found guilty.
rapidshave
5 Jun 2006, 20:08
Already a thread on this.
Already a thread on this.
My apologies! Perhaps Local can combine it for me.
Aquamarinejewel
5 Jun 2006, 20:42
:o How embarrassing!
The AFL has called the Bulldogs to task to explain how 19 players were on the field at the same time on Saturday. As it is the Club will have to fork about $5000 in fines if found guilty.
They just mentioned on Fox Footy...that the fine could range between $5000 - $15,000. Let's hope it's at the lower end of the scale.
39 Memories
5 Jun 2006, 22:26
It was actually Street's fault because he ran on before Skipper had come off. I saw it and thought we could be in trouble here. Boyd was nearby and hurriedly ran off because Skip had the ball. Lucky Hawthorn's captain didn't notice. Didn't something like this happen to one of the Werribee teams recently and their quite large score was completely wiped?:D
scooter600x
5 Jun 2006, 23:19
They just mentioned on Fox Footy...that the fine could range between $5000 - $15,000. Let's hope it's at the lower end of the scale.
Fox Sports say the fine is a maximum of $5K