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So which team(s) will Sheedy screw in the player trading at the end of season?
There is always one or two clubs willing to take on a hack because Sheeds has played them up... so who is the hack(s) this year and who are the team(s) which will be screwed out of the best draft since 2001?
Cheers.
itsintheblood
5 Jun 2006, 11:57
The "Sheedy is a dellusional old fool" board.
Talking tough isnt enough sheeds.
Bombers 2003
5 Jun 2006, 12:27
The "Sheedy is a dellusional old fool" board.
Talking tough isnt enough sheeds.
If Sheeds is delusional
what does that make Wallett?
Beside insane!
doppleganger
5 Jun 2006, 12:54
pies may offer up j.cloke for an early second round pick
sheedy did take cole off our hands last year
Yes, we're witnessing the results this year of Sheedy screwing other clubs in the draft.
mustapha
5 Jun 2006, 12:56
pies may offer up j.cloke for an early second round pick
sheedy did take cole off our hands last year
Cloke for Bolton? Bolton will win all of your pre season time trials.
Free Willy
5 Jun 2006, 13:09
Sheedy might just screw Carlton again (ala Camporeale....)
This time he'll trump Prenderghast or Deluca off our hands, we may need to give him a couple of draft picks as well:)
itsintheblood
5 Jun 2006, 15:28
If Sheeds is delusional
what does that make Wallett?
Beside insane!
It makes wallace the coach of an exciting bunch of kids who've won 4 more games than sheedys 3 legged donkeys have.
Another "smoke screen" from Sheedy. We will see come November who they get? I'm tipping a couple of fringe players like Cole etc.
Why would any of our young stars up and leave to go to a club who will be bottom four for a few years to come. Once Hird packs it in they will be in big trouble!!
MACDAICOS
5 Jun 2006, 15:36
So which team(s) will Sheedy screw in the player trading at the end of season?
There is always one or two clubs willing to take on a hack because Sheeds has played them up... so who is the hack(s) this year and who are the team(s) which will be screwed out of the best draft since 2001?
Cheers.
Whe'll give you Tristan Walker for a Slab of Beer and a Richard Cole clanger kick...................(when he plays that is) ?
Big Tex Walker for a third rounder would be nice
MACDAICOS
5 Jun 2006, 15:40
Big Tex Walker for a third rounder would be nice
I was think fourth round but third round will do.........lol.
I was think fourth round but third round will do.........lol.
They'll give up a third round pick, look at what we got for Ritchie :D
So which team(s) will Sheedy screw in the player trading at the end of season?
So what hacks are coming out of contract at the end of 2006. There is your answer :D
arrowman
5 Jun 2006, 16:54
Yes, we're witnessing the results this year of Sheedy screwing other clubs in the draft.So right, it needs to be said twice. :)
From Chris McDermott after the Sheedy press conference on Friday night, after Sheeds talekd about how they're going hunting in this year's drafts - 'maybe they should be thinking about how they've drafted over the past 5 years before they start talking about this year's draft'.
itsintheblood
5 Jun 2006, 17:09
So right, it needs to be said twice. :)
From Chris McDermott after the Sheedy press conference on Friday night, after Sheeds talekd about how they're going hunting in this year's drafts - 'maybe they should be thinking about how they've drafted over the past 5 years before they start talking about this year's draft'.
And of course sheeds thinks that other clubs are just gonna let their best uncontracted players walk out the door because of essendons predicament.
Time has passed you by old man. Give it away.
Bombers 2003
5 Jun 2006, 17:21
It makes wallace the coach of an exciting bunch of kids who've won 4 more games than sheedys 3 legged donkeys have.
"3 Legged Donkeys"Eh?!
If they are Donkeys,
Howcome till rnd 10 2006
Essendon has mainly been higher on the ladder then Richmond?
Dixie Flatline
5 Jun 2006, 21:58
We'll package up Nick Ries and Matty Ball for Sheeds.
Sheeds will be raiding the most talented young list in the AFL - Carlton. Expect De luca, French and the O'Hailpins to go.
Karlostj
5 Jun 2006, 22:12
So right, it needs to be said twice. :)
From Chris McDermott after the Sheedy press conference on Friday night, after Sheeds talekd about how they're going hunting in this year's drafts - 'maybe they should be thinking about how they've drafted over the past 5 years before they start talking about this year's draft'.
Yeah, I'm sure Essendon wouldn't have throught at all about how they've drafted over the past five years...
Chris McDermott is going for a cheap shot here.
and in 05, 04 and 03 we've done quite well. 02 wasn't terrible either.... So when we did reflect on the past 5 years we'd be reasonably satisfied...
If he was talking about 99-01 drafts he'd have a point. But I'd say that we've had plenty of time to reflect on these drafts.... Besides the weekly assessment of the side for selection each week there is annual reviews of the list each year in preparation for drafts...
Yep worth mentioning twice, just to show what a cheap shot it was and how little knowledge Chis McDermott has about the situation in regards to Essendon drafting.
Karlostj
5 Jun 2006, 22:21
And of course sheeds thinks that other clubs are just gonna let their best uncontracted players walk out the door because of essendons predicament.
Time has passed you by old man. Give it away.
Over the last 11.5 years there is only one side that has won more matches then Essendon - Brisbane. And Brisbane only recently passed our winning record.
If this is a sign of being past it, what does it say about the coaches of the other 14 clubs...?
Do you sack a coach because the side spends 2 seasons in a row out of the finals after the coach has lead Essendon to be the most successful club over a 10 year period...? It seems only Leigh, Mark or Paul come close in terms of success - are any of those coaches going to be available...?
You'd have to be a goose to get rid of Sheedy with his very recent impressive record. Come the end of 2007 (when his contract expires) if we are showing no improvement from this season then you can all come back and say he is past it. But at the moment, there is no basis to say that he is past it.
If 2 bad seasons over a 12 year period make a poor coach, then what does it say about Neil Daniher, Mick Malthouse, Mark Thompson, Terry Wallace etc all of them have coached sides that have had poor seasons... And none of them have had any where near the success in recent times that Sheeds has had...
Get over it you all.
Who would want to go to Essendon? I repdict no player to kick up too much of a fuss
Karlostj
5 Jun 2006, 22:32
Who would want to go to Essendon? I repdict no player to kick up too much of a fuss
Buckley wanted to go to Collingwood, who knows what goes through some player's heads...
Buckley wanted to go to Collingwood, who knows what goes through some player's heads...
Buckley always wanted to play for Collingwood, no one wsnts to play for Essendon their is a difference
Karlostj
5 Jun 2006, 22:40
Buckley always wanted to play for Collingwood, no one wsnts to play for Essendon their is a difference
I'd like to play for Essendon... Of course I'm not going to be, but it disproves your statement for starters.
I'm sure you'd find many others out there that would like to play for the Bombers. After all we're the most successful club in the competition... We also won a GF this century, which not many Victorian clubs have managed to do... In fact none of them have....
I'd like to play for Essendon... Of course I'm not going to be, but it disproves your statement for starters.
I'm sure you'd find many others out there that would like to play for the Bombers. After all we're the most successful club in the competition... We also won a GF this century, which not many Victorian clubs have managed to do... In fact none of them have....
Most success ful club in the competition? Think not
Karlostj
5 Jun 2006, 22:50
Most success ful club in the competition? Think not
So who has won more GFs? Hawthorn...???
So who has won more GFs? Hawthorn...???
Adelaide and West Coast are more successful than essendon for their time in the competition.
You Bummer fans forget not everyone joined the league at the same time.
Most successful no Essendon aren't
Karlostj
5 Jun 2006, 22:57
Adelaide and West Coast are more successful than essendon for their time in the competition.
You Bummer fans forget not everyone joined the league at the same time.
Most successful no Essendon aren't
More successful huh?
Adelaide and West Coast have won 2 GFs in the time in the comp - Adelaide joined in 1990 didn't they, West Coast in 1986...
Lets see Essendon won in 2000 and 1993... Thats two GF wins as well isn't it...?
Nice change of the goal posts too.... So that means that none of the Hawks GFs prior to Port and Freo joining count either...?
Nice try, keep them coming mate...
I wouldn't be too critical of Sheedy and recruiting staff for picking up Campo and Cole, they've been injured most of the year which is just unfortunate, nothing else.
The way people are carrying on is if they've been playing all year and haven't done any good.:rolleyes:
doppleganger
5 Jun 2006, 23:08
I wouldn't be too critical of Sheedy and recruiting staff for picking up Campo and Cole, they've been injured most of the year which is just unfortunate, nothing else.
The way people are carrying on is if they've been playing all year and haven't done any good.:rolleyes:
cole was injured and overweight last year, nothing has changed
cole was injured and overweight last year, nothing has changed
Perhaps if he could shake off his injuries(I'm sure hes doing his best to rid himself of injuries),he could drop a few kgs.
Far too much blatent critisism of many players on this forum without looking at the bigger picture.
Karlostj
5 Jun 2006, 23:12
cole was injured and overweight last year, nothing has changed
He's lost weight. Its round 10 and he's 22, lets give him a bit more time before we write him off.
Hopefully he will get his injuries right, at least with Essendon's season going the way it is, there will be no great rush to get him playing so he should be able to recover in his own time...
red+black
5 Jun 2006, 23:15
Adelaide joined in 1990 didn't they, West Coast in 1986.
We also won a GF this century.
Really should be accurate when trying to argue a point.
And the year 2000 was last century, the 20th century. We're now in the 21st century.
Karlostj
5 Jun 2006, 23:23
Really should be accurate when trying to argue a point.
And the year 2000 was last century, the 20th century. We're now in the 21st century.
technicality. we were still the last Victorian side to win a GF...
red+black
5 Jun 2006, 23:27
technicality. we were still the last Victorian side to win a GF...
apart from the merged Brisbane/Fitzroy Lions and the former South Melbourne Swans.
More successful huh?
Adelaide and West Coast have won 2 GFs in the time in the comp - Adelaide joined in 1990 didn't they, West Coast in 1986...
Lets see Essendon won in 2000 and 1993... Thats two GF wins as well isn't it...?
Nice change of the goal posts too.... So that means that none of the Hawks GFs prior to Port and Freo joining count either...?
Nice try, keep them coming mate...
You're an idiot you've totally missed what I was posting. School day tomorrow off to bed
Karlostj
5 Jun 2006, 23:35
apart from the merged Brisbane/Fitzroy Lions and the former South Melbourne Swans.
Interesting that the Brisbane Lions are a Victorian side...?
and the Sydney Swans...??
Thats right their home games are played at the MCG... or is it the Dome?
Looking forward to going to see the former south melbourne swans play this week... are they playing the Fitzroy Lions....?
Karlostj
5 Jun 2006, 23:36
You're an idiot you've totally missed what I was posting. School day tomorrow off to bed
Perhaps thats because you have no point other then to mindlessly slag off the Bombers...?
swap Kepler Bradley & 2nd round draft pick FOR Michael Gardiner :D
THEN
get Bryce Gibbs
THEN
trade Mark Bolton & 4th round draft pick to Melbourne for Woewoden if that is at all possible.
He's lost weight. Its round 10 and he's 22, lets give him a bit more time before we write him off.
Hopefully he will get his injuries right, at least with Essendon's season going the way it is, there will be no great rush to get him playing so he should be able to recover in his own time...
why not give him a run in the 1st team this week ? 4 changes I predict.
IN - Ryder, Jason Johnson, Camporeale & Cole
OUT - Kepler Bradley, Mark Bolton ( I Bloody wish ), Winderlich & some unlucky sod
trade Mark Bolton & 4th round draft pick to Melbourne for Woewoden if that is at all possible.
Why on earth would you have to give anything to Melbourne?
Kildonan
6 Jun 2006, 00:32
Giving a 4th round pick as compensation for forcing Bolton onto them?
arrowman
6 Jun 2006, 10:12
...and in 05, 04 and 03 we've done quite well. 02 wasn't terrible either.... So when we did reflect on the past 5 years we'd be reasonably satisfied....Oh, OK. I'd hate to see where you'd be on the ladder if you'd done badly in the last 5 drafts....
Karlostj
6 Jun 2006, 10:38
Oh, OK. I'd hate to see where you'd be on the ladder if you'd done badly in the last 5 drafts....
We are where we are on the ladder due to a combination of things.
Poor drafting from 99-01 (these are the players that should be standing up now - not last years draftees or the year befores...).
the poor drafting has been made worse by the picks that we've had available...
Top pick in 99 was 40,
Top pick in 2000 was 17.
Top pick in 2001 was 18
Top pick in 2002 was 10
Top pick in 2003 was 6
As you can see, it wasn't until 2003 that we had a really decent pick... 2002 we got picks 10 and 11 and used them on Laycock (a ruckman that is developing well) and Winderlich (a bottom aged midfielder that is really coming on this season). We also got Watson in this draft (he's not doing too badly and traded for McPhee - he's doing okay too...)
2003 - Kepler at 6, Stanton at 13 (3rd in B&F in his 2nd year), Dyson at 44 and Nash at 28 and he is starting to come on now. Pretty happy with those selections...
You'd find that the best players at most clubs would come from the pre 2002 drafts... Where Essendon didn't do superbly. But at the same time we didn't have very good picks. I think that in 2000 and 2001 we tried to compensate for having quite low first round picks by going for a surprise package... They sure did surprise... They were duds, but we were travelling okay in 2000 and 2001 as I recall and so maybe the club had a good reason to go for a bit of speculation.
Karlostj
6 Jun 2006, 10:58
Adelaide since 2000
2001 - Reilly pick 12, Finn pick 44, Schuback pick 59
2002 - Luke Jericho pick 32, Robert Shirley pick 56, James Begley pick 68
2003 - Fergus Watts pick 14, Joshua Kreuger pick 31, Benjamin Huson pick 58
2004 - John Meesen pick 8, Van Berlo pick 24, chad Gibson pick 28, Ivan Maric pick 40, Chris Knights pick 56
I haven't looked at 2005, but how many players from the past 5 drafts are in Adelaides best at the moment...???
arrowman
6 Jun 2006, 11:07
Adelaide since 2000
2001 - Reilly pick 12, Finn pick 44, Schuback pick 59
2002 - Luke Jericho pick 32, Robert Shirley pick 56, James Begley pick 68
2003 - Fergus Watts pick 14, Joshua Kreuger pick 31, Benjamin Huson pick 58
2004 - John Meesen pick 8, Van Berlo pick 24, chad Gibson pick 28, Ivan Maric pick 40, Chris Knights pick 56
I haven't looked at 2005, but how many players from the past 5 drafts are in Adelaides best at the moment...???First off, I take your point from the previous post - it's more about the previous drafts, not the past 5. Fair enough. Although I don't think the fact that you haven't had consistently high picks is much of an excuse - neither have we, in fact our profile is very similar to yours.
As to our recent draft history:
2001 - Reilly pick 12, Finn pick 44, Schuback pick 59
- Reilly is in our best 22.
- Finn and Schuback didn't make it.
2002 - Luke Jericho pick 32, Robert Shirley pick 56, James Begley pick 68
- Jericho hasn't made it yet
- Shirley is in our best 22
- Begley was a regular first teamer and retired due to injury
2003 - Fergus Watts pick 14, Joshua Kreuger pick 31, Benjamin Huson pick 58
- Watts traded to Saints for pick 17, injured now but would be playing regularly for Saints if not
- Kreuger didn't make it
- Hudson is in our best 22, currently injured.
2004 - John Meesen pick 8, Van Berlo pick 24, chad Gibson pick 28, Ivan Maric pick 40, Chris Knights pick 56
- Meesen - not yet
- VB is in our best 22
- Gibson - not yet
- Maric will be in best 22 by end of year
- Knights is in best 24
2005 - Bernie Vince has played already (in merit, not need) and is on the verge of regular fist team selection.
Not a bad record, I'd say - I think it is fair to say we've done very well, in terms of players currently contributing, out of the past 5 drafts, and Essendon hasn't. But your point is valid.
Karlostj
6 Jun 2006, 11:39
I don't think we've done badly over the last 5 years, in the 22 that played Adelaide on friday from the last 5 years:
Bradley, Stanton, Winderlich, Dyson, NLM, Laycock, Monfries, Watson, Johns, Nash, McPhee, Slattery, Welsh, Heff.
While we got smashed, I think that is more a reflection on the senior guys (or lack of) in the side then the younger players. We had 12 players with less then 50 games experience... Like I said the whole in our side isn't from the last 4 drafts, its from drafts 5-7 years ago...
Herbs hawks
6 Jun 2006, 12:46
Essendon football club, just like the trades and drafts for the past 5 years :o :D
Just on Sheedy.
Does anyone remember a couple of season ago when Richmond tried to pry Solomon away from the Bombers? He made a big song and dance how terrible it was that Richmond was trying to poach players.
3 years down the track he is saying he will do the exact same thing? Hypocrite! This guy has the memory of a Goldfish.
Perhaps thats because you have no point other then to mindlessly slag off the Bombers...?
English isn't your first language champ, is it?
Karlostj
6 Jun 2006, 14:30
English isn't your first language champ, is it?
Trying to avoid the fact that you make no sense and have no logical argument now are we?
Tell me about Hawthorn's recent success?
MarkJohnson#1
6 Jun 2006, 14:47
Who would want to go to Essendon? I repdict no player to kick up too much of a fuss
Buckley always wanted to play for Collingwood, no one wsnts to play for Essendon their is a difference
English isn't your first language champ, is it?
:rolleyes:
Longy413
6 Jun 2006, 14:50
Just on Sheedy.
Does anyone remember a couple of season ago when Richmond tried to pry Solomon away from the Bombers? He made a big song and dance how terrible it was that Richmond was trying to poach players.
3 years down the track he is saying he will do the exact same thing? Hypocrite! This guy has the memory of a Goldfish.
Kevin Sheedy trying to look after the best interests of his footy club.
What an evil, evil man.
Sheeds what are you thinking?
crazy_big_al
6 Jun 2006, 14:59
there will be some changes. not as many as people expect
Karlostj
6 Jun 2006, 15:03
there will be some changes. not as many as people expect
4 or 5 draft picks, perhaps a PSD pick and 1-2 rookie upgrades...
That gives us between 5 and 8 changes... A reasonable amount, but not a massive amount.
Far too much blatent critisism of many players on this forum without looking at the bigger picture.
Welcome to Bigfooty! ;)
Kevin Sheedy trying to look after the best interests of his footy club.
What an evil, evil man.
Sheeds what are you thinking?
So what's your point? :rolleyes:
Greg Miller was doing the exact same thing yet he was labeled as an "evil, evil man" by the great Kevin Sheedy.
Longy413
6 Jun 2006, 16:21
So what's your point? :rolleyes:
Greg Miller was doing the exact same thing yet he was labeled as an "evil, evil man" by the great Kevin Sheedy.
My point is, Kevin Sheedy is doing exactly what I'd want the coach of my club to do.
Protect his own players, and go after the best talent when available elsewhere.
If other people see that as hypocritical (and it probably is), I really don't care. His job is to look after the EFC and that is all he is doing.
Also, if you remember back. Sheedy's main beef was that Miller/Richmond was offering Solly twice his market value to get him across. Not sure we'll find Essendon doing that.
Regardless, I see no problem with the coach of the EFC looking after the best interests of the EFC. If that is hypocritical then so be it.
celtic_pride
6 Jun 2006, 16:50
My advice, keep sheedy get rid of recruiting manager Dodoro (or whatever his name is) he's recent record of spotting young talent is spotty at best (having said that Essendon haven't had early picks so that is probalby an excuse)
My advice, keep sheedy get rid of recruiting manager Dodoro (or whatever his name is) he's recent record of spotting young talent is spotty at best (having said that Essendon haven't had early picks so that is probalby an excuse)
Who needs Bigfooty when you can argue all by yourself! ;)
Trying to avoid the fact that you make no sense and have no logical argument now are we?
Tell me about Hawthorn's recent success?
Please do me a favour address my original post to you.
The clock is ticking
fishbowl
6 Jun 2006, 17:55
What about Nick Ries and a meat tray for your first round draft choice? Going by last year's draft I think this is a certainty
What about Nick Ries and a meat tray for your first round draft choice? Going by last year's draft I think this is a certainty
And a bag on what we were sniffing in 1984 as Sheedy got upset he didn't get any
Karlostj
6 Jun 2006, 18:38
Please do me a favour address my original post to you.
The clock is ticking
You mean this one:
Who would want to go to Essendon? I repdict no player to kick up too much of a fuss
I think I did answer it, but I'll give it another crack... Just for you.
Cole wanted to come to Essendon last season, as did Campo and Heff...
The season before, Zantuck wanted to come to Essendon (it didn't work out, but hes still a player that wanted to come to Essendon).
I know of no particular AFL player that may want to come to Essendon this season, but that doesn't mean there isn't one... I know a lot of people that would want to play for Essendon (of course they don't play AFL), but I'm sure there is many an AFL player that grew up supporting Essendon that would love to come and play for us!
Of course that doesn't mean that we will get a player through a player quitting their current club.
Back to the topic of the thread. His missus?
Just on Sheedy.
Does anyone remember a couple of season ago when Richmond tried to pry Solomon away from the Bombers? He made a big song and dance how terrible it was that Richmond was trying to poach players.
3 years down the track he is saying he will do the exact same thing? Hypocrite! This guy has the memory of a Goldfish.
I'm glad that some one has remebered that particular incident. Hypocrite of the highest order. Needs to learn some etiquette.
I'm glad that some one has remebered that particular incident. Hypocrite of the highest order. Needs to learn some etiquette.
who exactly is essendon trying to pach away ? do you even know the meaning of poaching ? Somehow I don't think you do :thumbsu:
My point is, Kevin Sheedy is doing exactly what I'd want the coach of my club to do.
Protect his own players, and go after the best talent when available elsewhere.
If other people see that as hypocritical (and it probably is), I really don't care. His job is to look after the EFC and that is all he is doing.
Also, if you remember back. Sheedy's main beef was that Miller/Richmond was offering Solly twice his market value to get him across. Not sure we'll find Essendon doing that.
Regardless, I see no problem with the coach of the EFC looking after the best interests of the EFC. If that is hypocritical then so be it.
RULES DURING TRADE WEEK
RULE 1: NEVER TRADE WITH SHEEDY
RULE 2: SEE RULE 1
All 15 other clubs are now well aware and have been for quite some time. Hence Essendons inability to trade for anything worth while.:eek:
who exactly is essendon trying to pach away ? do you even know the meaning of poaching ? Somehow I don't think you do :thumbsu:
I think your the one with the " GOLDFISH MEMORY and INTELLECT TO SUIT".
First of all, I have never mentioned any particular player nor have I used the word "POACH".
Secondly Sheedy himself said 3-4 days ago that he will be targetting out of contract players.
So tell me Aaron, what the hell are you talking about. Think before you type.
Longy413
6 Jun 2006, 22:07
RULES DURING TRADE WEEK
RULE 1: NEVER TRADE WITH SHEEDY
RULE 2: SEE RULE 1
All 15 other clubs are now well aware and have been for quite some time. Hence Essendons inability to trade for anything worth while.:eek:
Ted Richards for a first round draft pick ring a bell champ?
Ted Richards for a first round draft pick ring a bell champ?
HENCE THE RULES
Longy413
6 Jun 2006, 22:22
HENCE THE RULES
Obviously clubs haven't been applying these rules for quite some time, as you suggested.
boncer34
6 Jun 2006, 22:27
Adelaide and West Coast are more successful than essendon for their time in the competition.
You Bummer fans forget not everyone joined the league at the same time.
Most successful no Essendon aren't
Ok so West Coast have existed for 20 years yes (21 this year)? In that time they have one 2 flags.
Essendon in their first 20 years won 4
Hmm does that make them twice as successful?
Adelaide have existed 16 years yes(17 this year)? In that time they have won 2 flags
Essendon in their first 17 won 4.
Twice as succesful again.
Maybe you should learn some facts before pulling things out of your ass.:)
Obviously clubs haven't been applying these rules for quite some time, as you suggested.
As you would be well aware, there are always exceptions to rules/laws. Its human nature to break such things. No different to speeding.:thumbsu:
Longy413
6 Jun 2006, 22:30
As you would be well aware, there are always exceptions to rules/laws. Its human nature to break such things. No different to speeding.:thumbsu:
Either that, or what you said was a load of crap.
Either that, or what you said was a load of crap.
The rule as a rule is generally enforced. The fact that one got away does not constitute general anarchy. Other clubs will not genuinly trade with Essendon. Your own supporters verify this.
I would be surprised if Sheedy manages to lure a big name player at this years PSD.
If you beleive what I say is crap, so be it but burying your head in the sand will not change what I've said.
Longy413
6 Jun 2006, 22:41
I think 2004 was the only time in recent history we didn't do a trade in trade week and very few clubs do more than one trade (we did two in 2005) in any given year.
Clubs don't trade with Essendon you say, recent history suggests otherwise. 2002, 2003 and 2005 we got benificial trade deals.
As for the PSD, it's an avenue we haven't really been down in the past. We'll see what happens, but big names rarely go into the PSD in general, let alone to Essendon.
I think 2004 was the only time in recent history we didn't do a trade in trade week and very few clubs do more than one trade (we did two in 2005) in any given year.
Clubs don't trade with Essendon you say, recent history suggests otherwise. 2002, 2003 and 2005 we got benificial trade deals.
As for the PSD, it's an avenue we haven't really been down in the past. We'll see what happens, but big names rarely go into the PSD in general, let alone to Essendon.
I'm talking about trades that matter.Not ones done for the sake of doing.
PSD, sorry I mean't trade week before the National Draft.
What beneficial trade deals have Essendon recieved in the dates you have mentioned, excluding drafting new kids into the system?
Longy413
6 Jun 2006, 23:13
At the end of 2002 we traded the following -
Blake Caracella and Pick 55 - Received Adam McPhee (AA), Pick 17 and Damian Cupido.
Justin Blumfield - Draft pick that netted us Cartledge (neither here nor there)
Chris Heffernan - Draft pick that netted us Jason Laycock
2003 -
Traded Danny Jacobs for Pick 6 (Kep Bradley) and Mark Alvey.
2005 -
Ted Richards for a first round draft pick, Courteney Dempsey.
At the end of 2002 we traded the following -
Blake Caracella and Pick 55 - Received Adam McPhee (AA), Pick 17 and Damian Cupido.
Justin Blumfield - Draft pick that netted us Cartledge (neither here nor there)
Chris Heffernan - Draft pick that netted us Jason Laycock
2003 -
Traded Danny Jacobs for Pick 6 (Kep Bradley) and Mark Alvey.
2005 -
Ted Richards for a first round draft pick, Courteney Dempsey.
Nothing there to write home about.
At the end of 2002 we traded the following -
Blake Caracella and Pick 55 - Received Adam McPhee (AA), Pick 17 and Damian Cupido.
Justin Blumfield - Draft pick that netted us Cartledge (neither here nor there)
Chris Heffernan - Draft pick that netted us Jason Laycock
2003 -
Traded Danny Jacobs for Pick 6 (Kep Bradley) and Mark Alvey.
2005 -
Ted Richards for a first round draft pick, Courteney Dempsey.
You call those trades beneficial?
Longy413
7 Jun 2006, 10:54
You call those trades beneficial?
McPhee is better than Caracella.
Laycock is developing alright and we got Heffernan back.
Bradley is still developing and Jacobs has managed 30 games in three seasons.
And a first round pick for Richards is a good deal in anyone's book.
Keep up the stalking.
McPhee is better than Caracella.
Laycock is developing alright and we got Heffernan back.
Bradley is still developing and Jacobs has managed 30 games in three seasons.
And a first round pick for Richards is a good deal in anyone's book.
Keep up the stalking.
Not stalking.Anyhow you didnt answer the question. Do you consider these trades beneficial?
Mcphee is the only one who has been good for you.The jury is still out on the others and until such time they can prove their worth you cannot say they have been good trades.
Longy413
7 Jun 2006, 14:18
Given Jacobs can't get on the paddock and Heffernan has left Melbourne.
They are automatically benificial by the sheer fact that their replacements are playing senior footy and developing.
Ted Richards is never, never worth a first round draft pick, so on face value, yes that is also benificial. He was never going to form part of our best 22 and we got a classy, quick midfielder that we needed. That is most definately benificial to the club moving forward.
Karlostj
7 Jun 2006, 14:18
Not stalking.Anyhow you didnt answer the question. Do you consider these trades beneficial?
Mcphee is the only one who has been good for you.The jury is still out on the others and until such time they can prove their worth you cannot say they have been good trades.
So you call getting Laycock for Heff and then getting Heff back for no trade as not being beneficial??
Or getting a first round pick for a player that struggled to play a game in the 5 years that he spent on Essendon's list...? Lets see, a guy that was a top up player at best for a first round pick that could become a critical member of our side...? I'd call that beneficial.
Bradley and Jacobs trade may not be as obviously beneficial. But lets just see what people think in about 2-3 years time. Most people would think that pick 6 for Jacobs would be on the face of it a pretty beneficial trade for Essendon.
Given Jacobs can't get on the paddock and Heffernan has left Melbourne.
They are automatically benificial by the sheer fact that their replacements are playing senior footy and developing.
Ted Richards is never, never worth a first round draft pick, so on face value, yes that is also benificial. He was never going to form part of our best 22 and we got a classy, quick midfielder that we needed. That is most definately benificial to the club moving forward.
Their not going to be beneficial trades until such time they turn out to be good players at your club and time will tell if that happens but i dont really see any future stars in that lot of trades
So which team(s) will Sheedy screw in the player trading at the end of season?
Essendon.
So you call getting Laycock for Heff and then getting Heff back for no trade as not being beneficial??
Or getting a first round pick for a player that struggled to play a game in the 5 years that he spent on Essendon's list...? Lets see, a guy that was a top up player at best for a first round pick that could become a critical member of our side...? I'd call that beneficial.
Bradley and Jacobs trade may not be as obviously beneficial. But lets just see what people think in about 2-3 years time. Most people would think that pick 6 for Jacobs would be on the face of it a pretty beneficial trade for Essendon.
The only reason you got Heff back for nothing is because no one really wanted him but realistically is he really the sort of player you need if your looking at going forward.He is not the sort of player thats going to hurt opposition teams and would struggle to get a game at most other clubs.
Its recruiting recycled players like Heff, Allen and Campo and holding onto to fat pricks like Rioli who hasnt been able to get on the park consistantly which has caused your demise yet your willing to defend your recruiting as if its some masterstroke
You call those trades beneficial?
I'd say that we have had the better of those trades, we have players that have more potential to succeed than the ones we traded. While we have made some mistakes in our recruiting, so have every other club.
Karlostj
7 Jun 2006, 16:15
The only reason you got Heff back for nothing is because no one really wanted him but realistically is he really the sort of player you need if your looking at going forward.He is not the sort of player thats going to hurt opposition teams and would struggle to get a game at most other clubs.
Its recruiting recycled players like Heff, Allen and Campo and holding onto to fat pricks like Rioli who hasnt been able to get on the park consistantly which has caused your demise yet your willing to defend your recruiting as if its some masterstroke
Mate, if we didn't trade Heff, we would have Heff still on our lists. But because we traded Heff, we now have Heff and Laycock on our list. If you can't see that as being a beneficial trade then there is something wrong with you.
As for whether Heff is part of the future, the guy is 26 or 27 and is probably in our top 5 or 6 players this season... He will be around for at least another 2 seasons I'd say thats good enough for me.
So if we didn't take Campo we'd be on top of the ladder huh? Which top line player did we give up to get Campo...?????
Likewise with Allan or Murphy - we gave up McGrath for one and pick 60 for another... did those two trades make a big difference to the talent on our list....?
Mate, if we didn't trade Heff, we would have Heff still on our lists. But because we traded Heff, we now have Heff and Laycock on our list. If you can't see that as being a beneficial trade then there is something wrong with you.
As for whether Heff is part of the future, the guy is 26 or 27 and is probably in our top 5 or 6 players this season... He will be around for at least another 2 seasons I'd say thats good enough for me.
So if we didn't take Campo we'd be on top of the ladder huh? Which top line player did we give up to get Campo...?????
Likewise with Allan or Murphy - we gave up McGrath for one and pick 60 for another... did those two trades make a big difference to the talent on our list....?
It doesnt matter whether the players you drafted cost you nothing in return.What matters is whether they are going to be useful to the side and i question why you have drafted players like Murphy,Campo,Allan and Heff when they are dead end players who are going to get you nowhere.
You dont just draft players just because you can get them cheaply or for nothing as you put it because these players are often players that no-one wants and are going to be useless to you
Longy413
7 Jun 2006, 18:12
Murphy was our best finals player in 2004.
Allan rucking allowed Hille to go forward in the EF, Hille turned the game.
I'd say exposing young players to finals series is most definately beneficial to their development and the development of the club.
The recruitment of Allan and Murphy also allowed players like Dyson, Stanton, Hille, Laycock develop at their own pace, rather than being exposed to early.
Murphy and Allan filled the role they were recruited for.
Karlostj
7 Jun 2006, 18:21
It doesnt matter whether the players you drafted cost you nothing in return.What matters is whether they are going to be useful to the side and i question why you have drafted players like Murphy,Campo,Allan and Heff when they are dead end players who are going to get you nowhere.
You dont just draft players just because you can get them cheaply or for nothing as you put it because these players are often players that no-one wants and are going to be useless to you
You haven't commented on whether having both Heff and Laycock on our list was beneficial compared to just having Heff on our list yet...? I assume you admit the trade that netted Essendon Laycock for Heff, and then we get Heff back 3 years later for free was a beneficial trade...
Now on to your next point... I wasn't trying to say that picking up Murphy or Allen were good trades and that we should pick them up because they are cheap, I was replying to your last post:
The only reason you got Heff back for nothing is because no one really wanted him but realistically is he really the sort of player you need if your looking at going forward.He is not the sort of player thats going to hurt opposition teams and would struggle to get a game at most other clubs.
Its recruiting recycled players like Heff, Allen and Campo and holding onto to fat pricks like Rioli who hasnt been able to get on the park consistantly which has caused your demise yet your willing to defend your recruiting as if its some masterstroke
Given that we gave away very little, as you have admitted, to get Allen, Campo, Murphy etc I can't see how that has lead to our demise... like you have stated above...?
If they were dead end players and didn't help Essendon, but we gave away nothing for those players, then it seems that they didn't have a heap of influence on our demise...???
If you want to look for reasons for our demise, its not from our trading and picking up of older players, its due to not having high picks in 99,00,01 and from wasting our 1st picks in 97, 00 and 01 on what turned about to be duds....
It is also related to many many quality players retiring over the past 4 or 5 years...
You haven't commented on whether having both Heff and Laycock on our list was beneficial compared to just having Heff on our list yet...? I assume you admit the trade that netted Essendon Laycock for Heff, and then we get Heff back 3 years later for free was a beneficial trade...
Now on to your next point... I wasn't trying to say that picking up Murphy or Allen were good trades and that we should pick them up because they are cheap, I was replying to your last post:
Given that we gave away very little, as you have admitted, to get Allen, Campo, Murphy etc I can't see how that has lead to our demise... like you have stated above...?
If they were dead end players and didn't help Essendon, but we gave away nothing for those players, then it seems that they didn't have a heap of influence on our demise...???
If you want to look for reasons for our demise, its not from our trading and picking up of older players, its due to not having high picks in 99,00,01 and from wasting our 1st picks in 97, 00 and 01 on what turned about to be duds....
It is also related to many many quality players retiring over the past 4 or 5 years...
If they were dead end players and didn't help Essendon, but we gave away nothing for those players, then it seems that they didn't have a heap of influence on our demise...???
It had a heap of influence in your demise because they are older players past their best who you continue to play when you you could be trying to blood younger players to try and find a player of the future.If you think these sorts of players are going to improve your list then your seriously deluded because they will only send you backwards as has been shown.
As for the Laycock Heff trade i am sure you wernt banking on getting Heff back 2 years later but the fact you did was merely because no-one else wanted Heff at the end of last year and really all youve picked up is a very average slow midfielder which you already have plenty of and a guy in Laycock who is still yet to be proven but is a reasonable prospect
Karlostj
7 Jun 2006, 21:24
If they were dead end players and didn't help Essendon, but we gave away nothing for those players, then it seems that they didn't have a heap of influence on our demise...???
It had a heap of influence in your demise because they are older players past their best who you continue to play when you you could be trying to blood younger players to try and find a player of the future.If you think these sorts of players are going to improve your list then your seriously deluded because they will only send you backwards as has been shown.
As for the Laycock Heff trade i am sure you wernt banking on getting Heff back 2 years later but the fact you did was merely because no-one else wanted Heff at the end of last year and really all youve picked up is a very average slow midfielder which you already have plenty of and a guy in Laycock who is still yet to be proven but is a reasonable prospect
Are you talking about the past or the present? You say that they led to our demise as they continue to play... Are you trying to say that they will continue to cause us too fall further... Or because they were played in the past they led to our demise?
Allan played 21 games...
Murphy played 40 games
Campo 4 games
Heff 10 (post 2002) games
Amazing how a combined total of 75 games between these 4 players have led to our demise, and have and will continue to prevent us from blooding young players...?
You do realise that we had 12 players with less then 50 games experience playing on friday night. With 4 others with less then 50 games experience also playing at other stages this season, plus possibly another couple of players to debut this week...? Yep, Campo is stopping us from blooding young players...
Murphy and Allen weren't sensational pickups, but they didn't contribute in any way to our demise. Allen enabled Hille to develop in his own time, rather then getting flogged week to week (and end up injury prone like Fraser).
Are you talking about the past or the present? You say that they led to our demise as they continue to play... Are you trying to say that they will continue to cause us too fall further... Or because they were played in the past they led to our demise?
Allan played 21 games...
Murphy played 40 games
Campo 4 games
Heff 10 (post 2002) games
Amazing how a combined total of 75 games between these 4 players have led to our demise, and have and will continue to prevent us from blooding young players...?
You do realise that we had 12 players with less then 50 games experience playing on friday night. With 4 others with less then 50 games experience also playing at other stages this season, plus possibly another couple of players to debut this week...? Yep, Campo is stopping us from blooding young players...
Murphy and Allen weren't sensational pickups, but they didn't contribute in any way to our demise. Allen enabled Hille to develop in his own time, rather then getting flogged week to week (and end up injury prone like Fraser).
I am talking about past and present.Those players i mentioned have and will continue to contribute to your demise coupled with the fact youve kept blokes like Henneman,Rioli,Bolton etc on your list for far longer than you shouldve
Longy413
7 Jun 2006, 23:00
merely because no-one else wanted Heff at the end of last year
Melbourne offered him a contract.
Melbourne offered him a contract.
I suggest you get your facts right.He was delisted by Melbourne at the end of last year.Do your homework before coming up with crap like that in future.That is how Essendon picked him up for nothing.