View Full Version : Halfway through the season and C'wood have travelled interstate once! What a joke!
Why is C'wood the only club in the AFL that doesn't travel interstate?
Everyone's talking up C'wood but they play at home every week!
Let's face facts, everytime they travel, they lose!
If they had played interstate at least three times like every other Melb based club then they would be on 6 wins, 4 losses and back with the pack.
This will bite them come finlals time when they will HAVE to play either Adel or WC AWAY! The draw is a farce!!!
Why is C'wood the only club in the AFL that doesn't travel interstate?Yeh, it’s a joke your club plays on itself. Stop asking for a home game and things might change but in the mean time stoop complaining about your clubs draw policy. Better still, buy a membership, go to the AGM and ask your club why it doesn’t ask for a fair draw. See what response you get after the directors stop laughing.Let's face facts, everytime they travel, they lose!Facts? How about you go and check those facts. I think you will find Collingwood's travel record is better than most Victorian clubs over recent years.If they had played interstate at least three times like every other Melb based club then they would be on 6 wins, 4 losses and back with the pack.
This will bite them come finlals time when they will HAVE to play either Adel or WC AWAY! The draw is a farce!!!Yeh, apart from that whole fact thing again, it's killed us in the past.
Why is C'wood the only club in the AFL that doesn't travel interstate?
Everyone's talking up C'wood but they play at home every week!
Let's face facts, everytime they travel, they lose!
If they had played interstate at least three times like every other Melb based club then they would be on 6 wins, 4 losses and back with the pack.
This will bite them come finlals time when they will HAVE to play either Adel or WC AWAY! The draw is a farce!!!
So let the Dogs give up their home game against Collingwood then, so that we go interstate one more time.
Still think it is a good idea?
Why is C'wood the only club in the AFL that doesn't travel interstate?
Everyone's talking up C'wood but they play at home every week!
Let's face facts, everytime they travel, they lose!
If they had played interstate at least three times like every other Melb based club then they would be on 6 wins, 4 losses and back with the pack.
This will bite them come finlals time when they will HAVE to play either Adel or WC AWAY! The draw is a farce!!!
If you're obsessed with Collingwood why don't you buy a membership? It's what the rest of us do. We play Adelaide and West Coast away this year, we don't SELL our home games to interstste clubs or neutral venues and EVERY Melbourne club WANTS to play us at home to improve their financial bottom line. But hey, why let the truth get in the way of your delusional rant.
Armageddon
7 Jun 2006, 14:39
It's nice to have a bit of cash isn't it....
We travel 4 times a year, the same as Essendon and only one time less the majority of Victorian clubs. Here's a fact for you mate, you and your buddies Hawthorn, Kangaroos, Melbourne and St Kilda get paid to have their home games in different places which means you travel more than us, we have money so we can afford to not play interstate for extra money. Good explanation?
Another point, I know your intelligence is quite low and you have trouble keeping bias out of your opinions but the fact of the matter is, memberships keep your club going, they cost money and that money goes to your club which equals $$$$ and less games that you are forced to travel interstate!
GET IT??? Well done.
Punt_Road_Roar
7 Jun 2006, 14:39
Why is C'wood the only club in the AFL that doesn't travel interstate?
Everyone's talking up C'wood but they play at home every week!
Let's face facts, everytime they travel, they lose!
If they had played interstate at least three times like every other Melb based club then they would be on 6 wins, 4 losses and back with the pack.
This will bite them come finlals time when they will HAVE to play either Adel or WC AWAY! The draw is a farce!!!
Actually its been twice they flew over Adelaide to get to Perth
:D
Bring-Back-Powell
7 Jun 2006, 14:41
C'mon give em a fair go!
They travelled to Freo for a Wok Cup qtr final :rolleyes:
Because Collingwood are a joke of the competition.
No-one respects the ferals and they are as corrupt as a sporting club can be.
A rabble. A joke. A disgrace.
Collingwood Football Club.
Because Collingwood are a joke of the competition.
No-one respects the ferals and they are as corrupt as a sporting club can be.
A rabble. A joke. A disgrace.
Collingwood Football Club.
What are you doing out of class?
Longy413
7 Jun 2006, 14:43
So let the Dogs give up their home game against Collingwood then, so that we go interstate one more time.
I think you'll find the Dogs don't have a home game against Collingwood this season.
C'mon give em a fair go!
They travelled to Freo for a Wok Cup qtr final :rolleyes:
Give up Queens Birthday - I dare you
No. Its because every Melbourne team wants to play the pies in a home game because of the cash. You know the black and white army will be out in force at every game - no matter how well they are travelling. If you don't want to travel as much, get a guaranteed 50-60 thousand at every one of your games, and fellow Victorian clubs will be champing at the bid to play you in a home fixture.
I think you'll find the Dogs don't have a home game against Collingwood this season.
So next year they will.
Give it up and send us to Perth
Coin_Toss
7 Jun 2006, 14:44
Don't take the plunge in the deep end, fool!
This is getting tiresome.. Go find new material!
Collingwood v West Coast was in Melbourne? Damn, I should've gone.
Because Collingwood are a joke of the competition.
No-one respects the ferals and they are as corrupt as a sporting club can be.
A rabble. A joke. A disgrace.
Collingwood Football Club.
Well if it isn't Dale Mortimer posting on Bigfooty, AGAIN!!!. I think we've all seen and heard enough from you this week Dale.
Disgrace = Gets = Dale Mortimer.:thumbsd:
I've never thought about this before . Has it been going on for long?
johnnyhoward
7 Jun 2006, 14:48
Well if it isn't Dale Mortimer posting on Bigfooty, AGAIN!!!. I think we've all seen and heard enough from you this week Dale.
Disgrace = Gets = Dale Mortimer.:thumbsd:
Gets! was the first guy I thought of when I saw him on the news too ;)
Collingwood control the AFL.
When it comes to the pies AFL kisses their butt, as long as Collingwood get the crowds the AFL will continue to kiss their butt!! Not much you can do about it but scream for a super league to start and take control away from the AFL.
tomthetiger
7 Jun 2006, 14:53
It's nice to have a bit of cash isn't it....
We travel 4 times a year, the same as Essendon and only one time less the majority of Victorian clubs. Here's a fact for you mate, you and your buddies Hawthorn, Kangaroos, Melbourne and St Kilda get paid to have their home games in different places which means you travel more than us, we have money so we can afford to not play interstate for extra money. Good explanation?
Another point, I know your intelligence is quite low and you have trouble keeping bias out of your opinions but the fact of the matter is, memberships keep your club going, they cost money and that money goes to your club which equals $$$$ and less games that you are forced to travel interstate!
GET IT??? Well done.
Well yeah, it is a bit unfair that the more money you have, the slighter advantage you have on field, and vice versa.
Collingwood control the AFL.
Except the umpiring and the tribunal.
Gets! was the first guy I thought of when I saw him on the news too ;)
Gets, sorry!, Dale and his 'mates' regularly hop on their bikes and peddle out to the airport to give it to Port Adelaide as they exit the departure lounge. He won't be doing it this week though, the bike is up on blocks because the wheels were stolen.
swanniez1983
7 Jun 2006, 15:18
All Vic clubs should be made to play all interstate teams interstate. Most Vic clubs struggle away from home. What's the best way to overcome this? Play more games interstate so you get used to these grounds, crowds, wind etc
It amazes me how fat ed and Collingwood supporters winged and complained about the salary cap advantages given to Sydney and Brisbane. Yet are very happy to have the AFL do everything in it's power to manufacture a grandfinal for Collingwood.
It is only through these unfair advantages that Collingwood have any chance of making it to a grand final. It goes to the lack of character of the Club, it's president, players and supporters.
No wonder it is only wife bashers who will support this filthy team.
It amazes me how fat ed and Collingwood supporters winged and complained about the salary cap advantages given to Sydney and Brisbane. Yet are very happy to have the AFL do everything in it's power to manufacture a grandfinal for Collingwood.
It is only through these unfair advantages that Collingwood have any chance of making it to a grand final. It goes to the lack of character of the Club, it's president, players and supporters.
No wonder it is only wife bashers who will support this filthy team.
And spitters and ................... nah, forget it, you are too thick
souvo_fc
7 Jun 2006, 15:24
It's nice to have a bit of cash isn't it....
We travel 4 times a year, the same as Essendon and only one time less the majority of Victorian clubs. Here's a fact for you mate, you and your buddies Hawthorn, Kangaroos, Melbourne and St Kilda get paid to have their home games in different places which means you travel more than us, we have money so we can afford to not play interstate for extra money. Good explanation?
Another point, I know your intelligence is quite low and you have trouble keeping bias out of your opinions but the fact of the matter is, memberships keep your club going, they cost money and that money goes to your club which equals $$$$ and less games that you are forced to travel interstate!
GET IT??? Well done.
Yes, we do get paid to play homes games away, and were not including these games in our list of away games. Point this year is that the pies play onyl 4 games interstare, perth ONCE, aami, gabba and scg..
i dont know the other teams states but i know the saint play 5 away, and perth twice.. we've sold 2 games, which wont happen again!
HOWEVER.....
With the lack fo travel the pies do, we (as melb/dogs/saints/cats supporters) can only hope they knock off the eagles/crows in qualifying final one, cop a MCG prelim which means IF sains/melb/cats/dogs make finals and make a prelim, one of us will get a home final!!!!
I take it as a positive!
It amazes me how fat ed and Collingwood supporters winged and complained about the salary cap advantages given to Sydney and Brisbane. Yet are very happy to have the AFL do everything in it's power to manufacture a grandfinal for Collingwood.
It is only through these unfair advantages that Collingwood have any chance of making it to a grand final. It goes to the lack of character of the Club, it's president, players and supporters.
No wonder it is only wife bashers who will support this filthy team.
Actually, I suspect there are some husband bashers as well :D
On a slightly more serious note, Collingwood will get an even better draw from next year with a guaranteed 18 games at the G!
This deal I believe runs concurrently with the existing deal with the MCC (which was the deal that had a prelim in Melbourne each year).
So for the next 25(?) years the Pies have a contractual right to 18 games at the G (Mark T or others feel free to correct me if wrong).
My problem with this (apart from the obvious stupidity of it) is what happens as the make up of the league changes? Lets say 2 Melbourne teams have relocated interstate in 10 years and there are only 8 Victorian sides (8interstate), that deal with Collingwood will be an absolute shocker - interstate teams will have to play home games at the G to comply with the deal.
I know the AFL did this to get out of the "finals at the G" mess, but if this is the best they could do, they really need to go and hire some decent negotiators ...
ICanDressMyself
7 Jun 2006, 15:31
Why is C'wood the only club in the AFL that doesn't travel interstate?
Everyone's talking up C'wood but they play at home every week!
Let's face facts, everytime they travel, they lose!
If they had played interstate at least three times like every other Melb based club then they would be on 6 wins, 4 losses and back with the pack.
This will bite them come finlals time when they will HAVE to play either Adel or WC AWAY! The draw is a farce!!!
Mate, we all know Collingwood's advantage in the fixture is superior to anyone else's because of their lack of travel but nothing we do will make it fair. All Collingwood fans are never going to admitt they have an unfair advantage over the rest of the competition. I'm sure if they supported a different team they'd be *****ed off with this farce. It's actually baffling to think that Collingwood don't do well every year with the advantages they get. If you want to take a look at the worst team in the competition, surely it's Collingwood. 17/18 games out of a possible 22 in Victoria yet they still can't win grand finals. :rolleyes:
Armageddon
7 Jun 2006, 15:35
It amazes me how fat ed and Collingwood supporters winged and complained about the salary cap advantages given to Sydney and Brisbane. Yet are very happy to have the AFL do everything in it's power to manufacture a grandfinal for Collingwood.
It is only through these unfair advantages that Collingwood have any chance of making it to a grand final. It goes to the lack of character of the Club, it's president, players and supporters.
No wonder it is only wife bashers who will support this filthy team.
Sorry but that is the worst post I have seen on Bigfooty yet. Are you telling me that the players and staff at Collingwood are getting unfair advantages? They work hard, they get the cash, they get the reputation, they bring in the big crowd and that's whre it stops.
We stick to the salary cap, we have the right number of players, we play to our draw, we play where we are set to play and people buy memberships, we don't need to sell our home games, every club wants a go at us at the best ground in Australia.
Oh, and the wife bashers, I have a tasteless joke for you but I ain't going to sink to your level.
Why is C'wood the only club in the AFL that doesn't travel interstate?
That doesn't really bother me all that much. They travel 4 times this season which I think most Vic sides do unless they are selling home games.
What I find the most disappointing thing is how much TV time they get.
4 Friday night games
5 Saturday Night Games
4 Monday/Public Holiday games
Most of those games do get national exposure on free to air TV. Granted the AFL did cut back on the amount of Friday night games Collingwood got from last year (I don't recall how many but it was a lot) but they still get an awful lot of TV time considering they finished 15th last season.
Armageddon
7 Jun 2006, 15:36
Mate, we all know Collingwood's advantage in the fixture is superior to anyone else's because of their lack of travel but nothing we do will make it fair. All Collingwood fans are never going to admitt they have an unfair advantage over the rest of the competition. I'm sure if they supported a different team they'd be *****ed off with this farce. It's actually baffling to think that Collingwood don't do well every year with the advantages they get. If you want to take a look at the worst team in the competition, surely it's Collingwood. 17/18 games out of a possible 22 in Victoria yet they still can't win grand finals. :rolleyes:
No point replying to this except by saying 'see above'
:rolleyes:
ICanDressMyself
7 Jun 2006, 15:40
No point replying to this except by saying 'see above'
:rolleyes:
Why won't you just admitt you have the biggest advantage in the AFL? You know you do, I just want a Collingwood fan to admitt it.
understudy
7 Jun 2006, 15:40
Amuses me how these issues are bought up time and time again in relation to Collingwood, whereas the same apply to Essendon but are never bought up.
Guess with Collingwood being the big Melbourne club it is understandable.
Essendon just dont rate I guess. :thumbsu:
My problem with this (apart from the obvious stupidity of it) is what happens as the make up of the league changes? Lets say 2 Melbourne teams have relocated interstate in 10 years and there are only 8 Victorian sides (8interstate), that deal with Collingwood will be an absolute shocker - interstate teams will have to play home games at the G to comply with the deal.
Wrong. 18 @ MCG = 11 home games + 7 away games vs VIC teams.
Worse case would be Geelong making the trip.
However if two clubs *have* relocated then they might be putting their hat in the ring to be one of the 18 to maintain some link with their old Vic supporters.
understudy
7 Jun 2006, 15:43
That doesn't really bother me all that much. They travel 4 times this season which I think most Vic sides do unless they are selling home games.
What I find the most disappointing thing is how much TV time they get.
4 Friday night games
5 Saturday Night Games
4 Monday/Public Holiday games
Most of those games do get national exposure on free to air TV. Granted the AFL did cut back on the amount of Friday night games Collingwood got from last year (I don't recall how many but it was a lot) but they still get an awful lot of TV time considering they finished 15th last season.
I assume you are talking prime time free to air tv?
Apart from Friday night games, where there is obviously only one game, the networks choose which games they want to cover not the AFL.
All games are covered in this day and age, just some are on foxtel not free to air tv.
swanniez1983
7 Jun 2006, 15:45
Actually, I suspect there are some husband bashers as well :D
On a slightly more serious note, Collingwood will get an even better draw from next year with a guaranteed 18 games at the G!
This deal I believe runs concurrently with the existing deal with the MCC (which was the deal that had a prelim in Melbourne each year).
So for the next 25(?) years the Pies have a contractual right to 18 games at the G (Mark T or others feel free to correct me if wrong).
My problem with this (apart from the obvious stupidity of it) is what happens as the make up of the league changes? Lets say 2 Melbourne teams have relocated interstate in 10 years and there are only 8 Victorian sides (8interstate), that deal with Collingwood will be an absolute shocker - interstate teams will have to play home games at the G to comply with the deal.
I know the AFL did this to get out of the "finals at the G" mess, but if this is the best they could do, they really need to go and hire some decent negotiators ...
How many games did Collingwood play a year at the 'G prior to this new preliminary final situation?
The new prelim system is obviously much fairer but I don't see how the Pies getting so many extra games at the 'G a year equals these new changes
Look at the disgraceful Collingwood fans in this thread.
I see their representing their rabble of a club well :thumbsu:
The whole league is designed so Collingwood can be successful, so theoritcally they should win the flag every year, yet they don't. Shows how much of a rabble they are.
music_2000
7 Jun 2006, 15:46
Why is C'wood the only club in the AFL that doesn't travel interstate?
Everyone's talking up C'wood but they play at home every week!
Let's face facts, everytime they travel, they lose!
If they had played interstate at least three times like every other Melb based club then they would be on 6 wins, 4 losses and back with the pack.
This will bite them come finlals time when they will HAVE to play either Adel or WC AWAY! The draw is a farce!!!
don't worry mate its about to get very tough for them. 2 weeks time. Swannies v Collingwood they are going:thumbsd: down especially because it is at Telstra. I just don't wanna hear anymore cr@p from Collingwood supporters about last years game at Telstra with the 1 point win to the Swans and I don't want a repeat match. they'll get a good hiding soon from WCE,the crows and the swans but all we can do is hope
The reality is that the MCG and Telstra dome I wouldn't classify as a home game unless we are playing an interstate club. The teams who have the most home games are the interstate clubs who can get a minimum 11 and sometimes more if they buy games fom other clubs. Adelaide get to play 10 games at AAMI against interstate clubs and Collingwood get 5 games against interstate clubs. Playing Melbourne teams in Melbourne isn't a real home game so we get 5 which is half as many as Adelaide with their ten! Which is, for those of us who can count, twice as many. Yep, the draw isn't fair and is weighted in favour of the interstate clubs.
swanniez1983
7 Jun 2006, 15:52
The reality is that the MCG and Telstra dome I wouldn't classify as a home game unless we are playing an interstate club. The teams who have the most home games are the interstate clubs who can get a minimum 11 and sometimes more if they buy games fom other clubs. Adelaide get to play 10 games at AAMI against interstate clubs and Collingwood get 5 games against interstate clubs. Playing Melbourne teams in Melbourne isn't a real home game so we get 5 which is half as many as Adelaide with their ten! Which is, for those of us who can count, twice as many. Yep, the draw isn't fair and is weighted in favour of the interstate clubs.
Easy to fix...get rid of some Melb clubs or move completely interstate
ICanDressMyself
7 Jun 2006, 15:53
The reality is that the MCG and Telstra dome I wouldn't classify as a home game unless we are playing an interstate club. The teams who have the most home games are the interstate clubs who can get a minimum 11 and sometimes more if they buy games fom other clubs. Adelaide get to play 10 games at AAMI against interstate clubs and Collingwood get 5 games against interstate clubs. Playing Melbourne teams in Melbourne isn't a real home game so we get 5 which is half as many as Adelaide with their ten! Which is, for those of us who can count, twice as many. Yep, the draw isn't fair and is weighted in favour of the interstate clubs.
The difference is, you play 18 games in Victoria which means if Collingwood really want to they can get their 50,000 members there and cheer you on. It's just a short trip in the car for Collingwood fans whether it be to the G or the TD.
I assume you are talking prime time free to air tv?
Apart from Friday night games, where there is obviously only one game, the networks choose which games they want to cover not the AFL.
All games are covered in this day and age, just some are on foxtel not free to air tv.
But if your getting a lot of Friday/Saturday night games as well as Monday or public Holiday games scheduled by the AFL it is pretty much a given that they are going to be broadcasted on free to air TV.
Conspiricy theory of the day has TV networks having input into the draw every year to help ratings ;) It wouldn't surprise me at all if it does happen.
How many games do Collingwood play on a Saturday afternoon? The answer is pretty amazing.
Armageddon
7 Jun 2006, 15:55
Why won't you just admitt you have the biggest advantage in the AFL? You know you do, I just want a Collingwood fan to admitt it.
Here's my problem with admitting that, every team has a chance to make profits and every team has marketers, membership personnel and every team has a certain amount of money to sign up players, there is also a draft whcih means even teams with a heap of money can't have all the best players.
Another point is yes we do have an advantage with less interstate games but that is not our fault, other teams have less cash than us and some have no cash. We have a lot of members and thus get the chance to play more games in Melbourne because we don't have the misfortune of having to sell our games.
Obviously interstate teams ave a harder run because the AFL was formerly the VFL which means Victoria have more teams and more people interested. I accept that we have an advantage, but have a closer look and the advantage is not as big as you think it is.
Longy413
7 Jun 2006, 15:57
Essendon just dont rate I guess. :thumbsu:
They do to you it seems.
The reality is that the MCG and Telstra dome I wouldn't classify as a home game unless we are playing an interstate club. The teams who have the most home games are the interstate clubs who can get a minimum 11 and sometimes more if they buy games fom other clubs. Adelaide get to play 10 games at AAMI against interstate clubs and Collingwood get 5 games against interstate clubs. Playing Melbourne teams in Melbourne isn't a real home game so we get 5 which is half as many as Adelaide with their ten! Which is, for those of us who can count, twice as many. Yep, the draw isn't fair and is weighted in favour of the interstate clubs.
Given this inequity in "real" home games with interstate clubs having in many cases TWICE as many, how should the AFL even things up?, thats the real question.
understudy
7 Jun 2006, 16:02
But if your getting a lot of Friday/Saturday night games as well as Monday or public Holiday games scheduled by the AFL it is pretty much a given that they are going to be broadcasted on free to air TV.
Conspiricy theory of the day has TV networks having input into the draw every year to help ratings ;) It wouldn't surprise me at all if it does happen.
How many games do Collingwood play on a Saturday afternoon? The answer is pretty amazing.
Plenty of our games are Saturday night and Sunday arvo as with all other teams. Networks have chocies at this time slots and have no obligation to cover our game but they choose to. Pretty obvious why, we rate. Tough titties.
Armageddon
7 Jun 2006, 16:04
EDIT: Oh yeah Gets! Another nice way to bag Collingwood supporters for everyone.
understudy
7 Jun 2006, 16:06
Why has this been moved to bay 13? I'm a Collingwood supporter and don't believe it is a troll. Poor form Mods.
Its a shameless, baseless troll thats been covered ad nauseam. This is where it belongs :thumbsu:
Plenty of our games are Saturday night and Sunday arvo as with all other teams. Networks have chocies at this time slots and have no obligation to cover our game but they choose to. Pretty obvious why, we rate. Tough titties.
No doubt you rate.
I just find that having more free to air televised games a huge advantage. More people get to see the game = More publicity = More members. I know a lot of the smaller Vic clubs would like more Prime Time games and more free to air coverage but it won't happen because of the ratings. It's pretty disappointing looking from the outside.
Obi-Haive
7 Jun 2006, 16:16
Given this inequity in "real" home games with interstate clubs having in many cases TWICE as many, how should the AFL even things up?, thats the real question.
Ah yes, and the interstate sides have as many as THREE TIMES the "real" away games of the Victorian sides. (by away I mean actual travel on a plane, not in a car 10 mins down the road).
But it's true there aren't too many ways this can be evened up without major adjustments to the home base of clubs.
Though I still believe the disadvantage of having to travel every second week and play on an unfamiliar ground is greater than the disadvantage of playing on a "neutral" yet familiar ground and no travel every week.
Obi-Haive
7 Jun 2006, 16:29
Plenty of our games are Saturday night and Sunday arvo as with all other teams. Networks have chocies at this time slots and have no obligation to cover our game but they choose to. Pretty obvious why, we rate. Tough titties.
But it would seem that the Pies definitely have the most blockbuster events (ie. Night Games while public holidays seem to be held exclusively for Collingwood). Therefore of course the TV networks are going to show the game, especially if it's the only Victorian team playing at that time.
ie. Saturday night is usually a Sydney, Lions or Collingwood game, therefore in Victoria the TV network will show the Collingwood game as that is where the interest will lay.
That's fine as TV is all about ratings. It is the AFL who creates the draw however. Therefore, in the fairness of the whole league, wouldn't it be better to have an even distribution between all the Vic clubs rather than just one or two? This way the other clubs may have a chance at building up their memberships and supporter base, therefore making them more financially independent and not have to sell home games interstate.
Collingwood preaches this whole socialist, working class ethos, yet they are the first to complain if something favours another club over them.
Wrong. 18 @ MCG = 11 home games + 7 away games vs VIC teams.
Worse case would be Geelong making the trip.
However if two clubs *have* relocated then they might be putting their hat in the ring to be one of the 18 to maintain some link with their old Vic supporters.
So you are saying that each year in this "future comp" with 8 interstate sides, Collingwood will only play 4 of those sides away each year?
... and Collingwood will have to play every Vic side "away" EVERY year at the G?
The draw will need to be even more artificially manipulated than it is now and given the lesser number of Vic sides the advantage of 18 games at the same ground will become even more stark - particularly as the ground is the arbitrary home of the GF each year.
Absolutely ludicrous deal done with zero fore thought ....
cooperjai
7 Jun 2006, 16:38
This will bite them come finals time when they will HAVE to play either Adel or WC AWAY! The draw is a farce!!!
Why do you think the interstate teams have dominated the last 10 yrs., (well except 99, 2000) they had to become true professionals and adapt to travelling nearly every 2nd weekend.
Collingwood preaches this whole socialist, working class ethos, however they are the first to complain if something favours another club over them.
...and they are the last to concede that ANYTHING ever actually favours them (see the posts in this thread).
Collingwood under Eddie have become the Emirates Lexus McDonalds Magpies and they are every bit a cynical corporation which deliberately invokes tradition, history and "the average fan" to colour over the fact that it is not even remotely like its former self ....
.... all this as the "Broady Boy" in charge looks to sell his Toorak house, while shopping for Harbourside Sydney property (for around $10-12 million) in between his botox "treatments" and facials .....
I am all for self-made success but the 'Collingwood is tradition" and "We care for other clubs" bs is frankly tiresome. Collingwood did a great deal for itself with the 18 home games at the G - it did not give a **** about the impact on any other club when doing the deal .... it has gained a substantial advantage over other teams.
The AFL was pathetic, if this was the only solution to its problems with the MCC
Obi-Haive
7 Jun 2006, 16:42
Why do you think the interstate teams have dominated the last 10 yrs., (well except 99, 2000) they had to become true professionals and adapt to travelling nearly every 2nd weekend.
Sadly, I think this statement is correct yet it will always be dismissed as an advantage for us rather than a challenge we've beaten.
Armageddon
7 Jun 2006, 16:46
Why won't you just admitt you have the biggest advantage in the AFL? You know you do, I just want a Collingwood fan to admitt it.
Here's my problem with admitting that, every team has a chance to make profits and every team has marketers, membership personnel and every team has a certain amount of money to sign up players, there is also a draft whcih means even teams with a heap of money can't have all the best players.
Another point is yes we do have an advantage with less interstate games but that is not our fault, other teams have less cash than us and some have no cash. We have a lot of members and thus get the chance to play more games in Melbourne because we don't have the misfortune of having to sell our games.
Obviously interstate teams ave a harder run because the AFL was formerly the VFL which means Victoria have more teams and more people interested. I accept that we have an advantage, but have a closer look and the advantage is not as big as you think it is.
Kildonan
7 Jun 2006, 21:28
Why do you think the interstate teams have dominated the last 10 yrs., (well except 99, 2000) they had to become true professionals and adapt to travelling nearly every 2nd weekend.
Sure the interstate teams have to trave away almost every 2nd week, but each alternate week they get a genuine home ground advantage.
The Vic teams only get a few games a year which can provide a genuine home ground advantage.
raikkonen
7 Jun 2006, 22:45
Ive just given up on convincing Victorians, especially Pies, that they have an advantage over the interstate teams. I mean I would much rather have 18 games in my home state, than having to travel ten times thank you.
Fact is, with ten victorian teams there will always be a disadvantage to someone. When Carlton fold, and the Roo's move to the Gold Coast things may almost be even.
doppleganger
7 Jun 2006, 23:45
Ive just given up on convincing Victorians, especially Pies, that they have an advantage over the interstate teams. I mean I would much rather have 18 games in my home state, than having to travel ten times thank you.
Fact is, with ten victorian teams there will always be a disadvantage to someone. When Carlton fold, and the Roo's move to the Gold Coast things may almost be even.
the only teams collingwood have an advantage over are the other melbourne based teams! the huge advantage being that the pies travel interstate 4 times when most clubs go 5 or 6 times in a really bad year, so yes the dogs, tiger supporters have a genuine case......but most know the actual reasons as to why this is the case
the non melbourne teams have a totally different group of advantages-disadvantages and hence cant be compared
sydney playing an "away" game at the SCG against the dogs, why dont all the adelaide & west coast groupies get in and have a sook about that??
eddiesmith
8 Jun 2006, 05:29
So do people seriously believe 1 more interstate trip would make a huge difference? Because I have never seen a team play all 6 interstate sides away
BTW its 14 MCG games, get it right :rolleyes:
Why is it so big? Because the AFL were scheduling games at the Dump that would sell out when the MCC could be making money out of a 60,000 crowd there
The MCC did the deal so they are guaranteed 14 Pies games a year, at an average of 50,000+ which makes up for a potential loss of a PF if they get a couple of extra big drawing Pies games that the AFL would otherwise have scheduled at the dump
mediumsizered
8 Jun 2006, 08:42
Ive just given up on convincing Victorians, especially Pies, that they have an advantage over the interstate teams. I mean I would much rather have 18 games in my home state, than having to travel ten times thank you.
Fact is, with ten victorian teams there will always be a disadvantage to someone. When Carlton fold, and the Roo's move to the Gold Coast things may almost be even.
You obviously haven't read Andrew Demetriou's comments from yesterday:
"There's no doubt that we'll help Carlton … you should read into that (that) Carlton will be around for a long time to come," Demetriou said.
Sorry to disappoint you.
Obi-Haive
8 Jun 2006, 10:05
the only teams collingwood have an advantage over are the other melbourne based teams! the huge advantage being that the pies travel interstate 4 times when most clubs go 5 or 6 times in a really bad year, so yes the dogs, tiger supporters have a genuine case......but most know the actual reasons as to why this is the case
the non melbourne teams have a totally different group of advantages-disadvantages and hence cant be compared
sydney playing an "away" game at the SCG against the dogs, why dont all the adelaide & west coast groupies get in and have a sook about that??
Are you sure yu don't go for Essendon. That deflection was definitely Sheedy-esque!
Pluggeroo
8 Jun 2006, 10:28
But it would seem that the Pies definitely have the most blockbuster events (ie. Night Games while public holidays seem to be held exclusively for Collingwood). Therefore of course the TV networks are going to show the game, especially if it's the only Victorian team playing at that time.
ie. Saturday night is usually a Sydney, Lions or Collingwood game, therefore in Victoria the TV network will show the Collingwood game as that is where the interest will lay.
That's fine as TV is all about ratings. It is the AFL who creates the draw however. Therefore, in the fairness of the whole league, wouldn't it be better to have an even distribution between all the Vic clubs rather than just one or two? This way the other clubs may have a chance at building up their memberships and supporter base, therefore making them more financially independent and not have to sell home games interstate.
Collingwood preaches this whole socialist, working class ethos, yet they are the first to complain if something favours another club over them.
Understand this.
More TV games doesnt equal more memberships.
People buy memberships to go to the games. Not to watch it on TV.
The only people who benefit from the TV games are country people like myself who cant get to see the games live at the venue. And to that end, Friday night is a farce because the bloody games arent even live. The networks treat contry supporters with contempt.
Pluggeroo
8 Jun 2006, 10:48
Nobody in this thread, even Pies supporters have pointed out other facts.
Fact 1: Collingwood play the Dees on Monday, in what will be one of the games of the year, in front of a packed house. (Demons Home Game).
Fact 2: The next week, we will travel to Sydney to give them their "GUARANTEED" Home Game against us. Something that Eddie set up and that the Swannies jumped at because of the finacial windfall they would receive.
Fact 3: In Round 18 we will play Adelaide at AAMI and then follow it up with Port 2 weeks later, also at AAMI.
Possability 1: If things continue as they are with the Crows and Eagles at the top, and the Pies in 3rd or 4th, we will then earn ourselves another interstate trip 3 weeks later.
Dont think its all about Collingwood this and Collingwood that..... We do our share.
And we cop it sweet. Get a life, the lot of you interstate supporters.
Understand this.
More TV games doesnt equal more memberships.
People buy memberships to go to the games. Not to watch it on TV.
The only people who benefit from the TV games are country people like myself who cant get to see the games live at the venue. And to that end, Friday night is a farce because the bloody games arent even live. The networks treat contry supporters with contempt.
That's rubbish!
TV is a perfect way to advertise. The more people who see a football team on TV the more chance they will have in gaining supporters which will bring in more memberships.
Friday night games are not live (Should be in the Country! :mad: ) but still rate very high!
Obi-Haive
8 Jun 2006, 10:54
Understand this.
More TV games doesnt equal more memberships.
People buy memberships to go to the games. Not to watch it on TV.
The only people who benefit from the TV games are country people like myself who cant get to see the games live at the venue. And to that end, Friday night is a farce because the bloody games arent even live. The networks treat contry supporters with contempt.
Understand this, that is absolute bollocks.
The more exposure for a club the better it will be for their supporter base and sale of memberships. Basic marketing.
Understand this also, the most overly exposed two clubs in Victoria are Collingwood and Essendon. How funny that their membership continues to grow and grow.
By your reasoning only people who live in the cities would be members of their football clubs as they are the only ones who go to the games on a repetitve basis. Yet all the clubs have many members from the country and regional areas. Are you a member?
doppleganger
8 Jun 2006, 12:49
Are you sure yu don't go for Essendon. That deflection was definitely Sheedy-esque!
what deflection??
the only teams who get disadvantaged by collingwood's draw are the other melbourne based clubs..........but they want to play collingwood in melbourne so they deal with it.
non melbourne clubs have a different set of pros & cons with the fixture and as such cant be compared, yet supporters of these sides constantly moan & groan about collingwoods draw yet let teams like sydney playing "away" games against melbourne based teams in sydney & canberra doesn't even raise a murmur!!
sydney gets the best draw in the comp, they have the best run with injuries, go have a sook about them
To troll and have people think you’re a fool is one thing, but to believe in your own drivel removes all doubt.
More TV games doesnt equal more memberships..
One of the most ridiculous comments I’ve read on BF!!
Obi-Haive
8 Jun 2006, 13:43
what deflection??
sydney gets the best draw in the comp, they have the best run with injuries, go have a sook about them
Besides the fact that Sydney still have to travel 11 times, to Collingwoods 4, I agree, the draw is unfair in many ways! However, there are already numerous threads on the issue of Sydney's games, and it is endlessly discussed in the media.
This thread though is about Collingwood and being that the media seem to be blind to this blatant advantage the pies have in the draw over their Victorian contemporaries (Essendon excluded), I think it is only fair that the pies are kept in focus here.
The deflection is in trying to turn the issue to another club (as I said before Sheedy-esque)
I agree, the draw is unfair in many ways, however, there are already numerous threads on the issue of Sydney's games, and it is endlessly discussed in the media.
This thread though is about Collingwood and being that the media seem to be blind to this blatant advantage the pies have in the draw over their Victorian contemporaries (Essendon excluded), I think it is only fair that the pies are kept in focus here.
The deflection is in trying to turn the issue to another club (as I said before Sheedy-esque)
Collingwood play probably the best threee teams all away this year. West Coast play 10 'real' home games against interstate teams, and another 2 against Fremantle, Collingwood play 5 'real' home games against the interstate sides which is HALF of Adelaide's and West Coast's home games. There are usually a collection of sad sack Victorian clubs to feast upon during the year which eliminates the "we have to travel more" argument, and because interstate sides travel more you could argue they are more used to it and do it better. It's really very simple, the interstste sides recieve a more favourable draw, only you never hear about it because we don't b1tch and moan about it all the time. Thems the facts, feel free to distort them as much as you wish.
Besides the fact that Sydney still have to travel 11 times, to Collingwoods 4, I agree, the draw is unfair in many ways! However, there are already numerous threads on the issue of Sydney's games, and it is endlessly discussed in the media.
This thread though is about Collingwood and being that the media seem to be blind to this blatant advantage the pies have in the draw over their Victorian contemporaries (Essendon excluded), I think it is only fair that the pies are kept in focus here.
The deflection is in trying to turn the issue to another club (as I said before Sheedy-esque)
St Kilda, The Kangaroos, Melbourne, Western Bulldogs and Hawthorn have ALL sold home games this year. Thats why they have less home games and travel more. It was THEIR clubs decisions to do this, NOT the AFL. But hey, why let the truth get in the way of your deluded backwards thinking. Those clubs brought the "unfairness" on themselves.
Thongdam
8 Jun 2006, 14:31
We can argue until we're blue in the face over this.:confused:
The Vic origins of the AFL will always ensure that Vic teams don't have to travel. However, lets leave travelling aside for a minute and focus on home game advantage.
The demise of the suburban home ground has made home games between Vic clubs almost meaningless (except Geelong). The same applies to the local derbys in Adelaide and Perth...who has the home ground advantage there?:cool:
Looking at the NRL for a moment. Here, the home game still means something, and this is reflected in the home game results so far this season where 54 of the 84 games played so far have been won by home teams (64.28%). In contrast home teams in the AFL have won just 42 of the 80 games played so far (52.5%).
I think that some of the inequities over travel are compensated by the fact that Adelaide, Port, West Coast, Brisbane, and Sydney all get 11 (12 in Sydney's case) home games in which they have a real home ground advantage. The Perth and Adelaide-based teams also have an 'away' home game for the local derby, and Sydney and Brisbane also get these through their 'away' home games against the Bulldogs (SCG), Melbourne (Gabba), and Hawthorn (Carrara).
This, coupled with the fact that Vic teams, especially Collingwood and Essendon (according to a lot of you) are not used to travelling should give all non-Vic sides an even bigger home ground advantage. Since non-Vic teams are acquainted with the rigours of travel the Vic teams don't enjoy the same advantage when non-Vic teams play in Melbourne.:D
Stumpy Pete
8 Jun 2006, 14:40
Yes we travel only 4 times a year and yes this gives us a relative advantage over some clubs.
But then again we deserve it because we are Collingwood - the greatest sporting club in the world.
Regards
S. Pete
ICanDressMyself
8 Jun 2006, 14:43
Nobody in this thread, even Pies supporters have pointed out other facts.
Fact 1: Collingwood play the Dees on Monday, in what will be one of the games of the year, in front of a packed house. (Demons Home Game).
Fact 2: The next week, we will travel to Sydney to give them their "GUARANTEED" Home Game against us. Something that Eddie set up and that the Swannies jumped at because of the finacial windfall they would receive.
Fact 3: In Round 18 we will play Adelaide at AAMI and then follow it up with Port 2 weeks later, also at AAMI.
Possability 1: If things continue as they are with the Crows and Eagles at the top, and the Pies in 3rd or 4th, we will then earn ourselves another interstate trip 3 weeks later.
Dont think its all about Collingwood this and Collingwood that..... We do our share.
And we cop it sweet. Get a life, the lot of you interstate supporters.
Fact 1: Melbourne home game? I guarentee there will be more Collingwood fans than Melbourne fans so how does that make it Melbourne's home game? Home ground advantage means the you have the advantage when it comes to number of vocal fans, and believe me, Collingwood supporters ARE vocal. It may say that it's a Melbourne home game but there will be an overwhelming majority in favour of one side.
Fact 3: Ooooo!! 2 interstate trips in 3 weeks! I think we better start bringing out the record books for that one! Adelaide travelled interstate 5 times in the first 8 rounds - more travelling than Collingwood do in 2 years. Also Freo had it rough in the first half of the season with travelling.
Possibility 1: What makes you think you will finish below WCE and Crows? Eagles and Crows still have to do double the interstate trips that Collingwood are doing in the final 12 rounds. Advantage - Collingwood. In reality you really shouldn't have a problem finishing 1st or 2nd.
You cop it sweet? I hope you're not talking fixture-wise. :eek: Other than that - Eddie McGuire. I honestly believe that if you didn't have a president who was in the media spotlight 24/7 and didn't commentate (previous years) his own clubs matches, that the hatred shown towards Collingwood wouldn't be as strong. That, and if your cheersquad (ie Joffa) cooled down a bit and wasn't an arrogant prlck. You "cop it sweet" through the media and oppostion fans only because your fans and Eddie bring it upon themselves.
So you are saying that each year in this "future comp" with 8 interstate sides, Collingwood will only play 4 of those sides away each year?
... and Collingwood will have to play every Vic side "away" EVERY year at the G?
The draw will need to be even more artificially manipulated than it is now and given the lesser number of Vic sides the advantage of 18 games at the same ground will become even more stark - particularly as the ground is the arbitrary home of the GF each year.
Absolutely ludicrous deal done with zero fore thought ....
Clearly we will need to maintain all the VIC teams to keep the draw fair...
Stumpy Pete
8 Jun 2006, 14:54
Fact 1: Melbourne home game? I guarentee there will be more Collingwood fans than Melbourne fans so how does that make it Melbourne's home game? Home ground advantage means the you have the advantage when it comes to number of vocal fans, and believe me, Collingwood supporters ARE vocal. It may say that it's a Melbourne home game but there will be an overwhelming majority in favour of one side.
Fact 3: Ooooo!! 2 interstate trips in 3 weeks! I think we better start bringing out the record books for that one! Adelaide travelled interstate 5 times in the first 8 rounds - more travelling than Collingwood do in 2 years. Also Freo had it rough in the first half of the season with travelling.
Possibility 1: What makes you think you will finish below WCE and Crows? Eagles and Crows still have to do double the interstate trips that Collingwood are doing in the final 12 rounds. Advantage - Collingwood. In reality you really shouldn't have a problem finishing 1st or 2nd.
You cop it sweet? I hope you're not talking fixture-wise. :eek: Other than that - Eddie McGuire. I honestly believe that if you didn't have a president who was in the media spotlight 24/7 and didn't commentate (previous years) his own clubs matches, that the hatred shown towards Collingwood wouldn't be as strong. That, and if your cheersquad (ie Joffa) cooled down a bit and wasn't an arrogant prlck. You "cop it sweet" through the media and oppostion fans only because your fans and Eddie bring it upon themselves.
He means it is listed as their home game - thus they get the gate revenue from a full house.
Regards
S. Pete
ICanDressMyself
8 Jun 2006, 14:58
He means it is listed as their home game - thus they get the gate revenue from a full house.
Regards
S. Pete
So will this mean Melbourne will get more supporters to the game? No.
Collingwood if anyone have the advantage. I don't care about gate revenue, they are getting their 50,000 fans to every game in Melbourne, which is 18. Therefore they are unfairly advantaged. Simple.
Thongdam
8 Jun 2006, 15:09
So will this mean Melbourne will get more supporters to the game? No.
Collingwood if anyone have the advantage. I don't care about gate revenue, they are getting their 50,000 fans to every game in Melbourne, which is 18. Therefore they are unfairly advantaged. Simple.
Unfairly advantaged?! This is one of the weirdest statements I've seen.:confused:
What should be done about it?
Do you reckon the number of Collingwood fans coming through the gates should be capped? Perhaps they could try that in Perth, Adelaide and brisbane. Can't have too many fans coming to see their team play now can we?
raikkonen
8 Jun 2006, 15:14
the only teams collingwood have an advantage over are the other melbourne based teams! the huge advantage being that the pies travel interstate 4 times when most clubs go 5 or 6 times in a really bad year, so yes the dogs, tiger supporters have a genuine case......but most know the actual reasons as to why this is the case
the non melbourne teams have a totally different group of advantages-disadvantages and hence cant be compared
sydney playing an "away" game at the SCG against the dogs, why dont all the adelaide & west coast groupies get in and have a sook about that??
You should put your brain into gear before you go off making sensational claims of us not sooking because of Sydney's situation. Us interstate fans know that. Fremantle, WC, PA and Adelaide all also get away games at home....when their direct rival hosts the showdown/derby. Or didnt u remember that? That is why Sydney will get that game, and Brisbane get one as well if I am correct against Melbourne or someone. Therefore, we all actually only get 11 games at home, but sometimes we can be the away team at our home ground....as you may very well realise. I would love being the away team at AAMi everyweek plus or home games, like the Pies get. But this is a national comp, so all teams should be treated equally. Collingwood think they run this country, when all they is the Eddie ' I am the leader of the world ' McGuire dictatorship.
Fact 1: Melbourne home game? I guarentee there will be more Collingwood fans than Melbourne fans so how does that make it Melbourne's home game? Home ground advantage means the you have the advantage when it comes to number of vocal fans, and believe me, Collingwood supporters ARE vocal. It may say that it's a Melbourne home game but there will be an overwhelming majority in favour of one side.
Fact 3: Ooooo!! 2 interstate trips in 3 weeks! I think we better start bringing out the record books for that one! Adelaide travelled interstate 5 times in the first 8 rounds - more travelling than Collingwood do in 2 years. Also Freo had it rough in the first half of the season with travelling.
Possibility 1: What makes you think you will finish below WCE and Crows? Eagles and Crows still have to do double the interstate trips that Collingwood are doing in the final 12 rounds. Advantage - Collingwood. In reality you really shouldn't have a problem finishing 1st or 2nd.
You cop it sweet? I hope you're not talking fixture-wise. :eek: Other than that - Eddie McGuire. I honestly believe that if you didn't have a president who was in the media spotlight 24/7 and didn't commentate (previous years) his own clubs matches, that the hatred shown towards Collingwood wouldn't be as strong. That, and if your cheersquad (ie Joffa) cooled down a bit and wasn't an arrogant prlck. You "cop it sweet" through the media and oppostion fans only because your fans and Eddie bring it upon themselves.
I think you'll find that Eddies's profile in Melbourne has been dramatically reduced since his move to Sydney and his dropping of all on air commitments. Pouf!!! There goes your Eddie in the media 24/7 argument. And you hate Collingwood, big deal, you can go to the back of a very loooooooooooong queue. Personally I don't hate Adelaide at all, you're football newbies compared to the ancient rivalries that have existed in this state for a hundred years. We recognise that we are the most hated and talked about (you're a graphic example) club in the land, and thats the way we like it. It seems we are a lightning rod for people (like you)this year and I wonder why that is? Keep talking about us, its just feeds our fire! We're COLLINGWOOD, and we don't care what you think.:thumbsu:
ICanDressMyself
8 Jun 2006, 15:41
Unfairly advantaged?! This is one of the weirdest statements I've seen.:confused:
What should be done about it?
Do you reckon the number of Collingwood fans coming through the gates should be capped? Perhaps they could try that in Perth, Adelaide and brisbane. Can't have too many fans coming to see their team play now can we?
I'm just saying that the advantage of playing in Melbourne 18 times in a year in unfair. 18 games and if they wanted to they could get 50,000 fans there cheering on the team.
What should be done about it?
1/2 trips to Subi, 1/2 trips to Adelaide, 1 to Sydney, 1 to Brisbane, 1 to Skilled and 1/2 to Tassie/Carrara or wherever. That would be a maximum of 9 trips interstate (will never happen) so to make it a little more fair, Collingwood should at least travel insterstate 7 times in the home and away season. :thumbsu:
I'm just saying that the advantage of playing in Melbourne 18 times in a year in unfair. 18 games and if they wanted to they could get 50,000 fans there cheering on the team.
What should be done about it?
1/2 trips to Subi, 1/2 trips to Adelaide, 1 to Sydney, 1 to Brisbane, 1 to Skilled and 1/2 to Tassie/Carrara or wherever. That would be a maximum of 9 trips interstate (will never happen) so to make it a little more fair, Collingwood should at least travel insterstate 7 times in the home and away season. :thumbsu:
Right. You want Collingwood to travel interstate 7 times in the home and away season when there are only 6 interstate clubs. Nice.
BTW Gellong is not interstate.
Thongdam
8 Jun 2006, 16:33
I'm just saying that the advantage of playing in Melbourne 18 times in a year in unfair. 18 games and if they wanted to they could get 50,000 fans there cheering on the team.
What should be done about it?
1/2 trips to Subi, 1/2 trips to Adelaide, 1 to Sydney, 1 to Brisbane, 1 to Skilled and 1/2 to Tassie/Carrara or wherever. That would be a maximum of 9 trips interstate (will never happen) so to make it a little more fair, Collingwood should at least travel insterstate 7 times in the home and away season. :thumbsu:
9 (or 7) interstate trips when there are only 6 interstate teams?
That Melbourne teams sell home games that they have to play 'away' is up to them. Saints and Hawthorn can play in Tassie if they want to, but don't use them as a yardstick to judge teams who don't/won't go there to play home games. Collingwood obviously don't need or want to play there. Hawthorn travel 8 times (9 if you want to include Geelong!) but FOUR of these are home games...3 in Tassie and 1 at Carrara.
Sure Collingwood could always play another game another at Subi and perhaps one at Skilled this year but otherwise there's no problem. Most teams are still in Melbourne whether people like it or not, so it makes sense to play most games there.
Yes we travel only 4 times a year and yes this gives us a relative advantage over some clubs.
But then again we deserve it because we are Collingwood - the greatest sporting club in the world.
Regards
S. Pete
Nothing more needs to be said really
Why is C'wood the only club in the AFL that doesn't travel interstate?
Everyone's talking up C'wood but they play at home every week!
Let's face facts, everytime they travel, they lose!
If they had played interstate at least three times like every other Melb based club then they would be on 6 wins, 4 losses and back with the pack.
This will bite them come finlals time when they will HAVE to play either Adel or WC AWAY! The draw is a farce!!!
Dont worry. Collingwood are coming to Sydney in Rd 11. :D
ICanDressMyself
8 Jun 2006, 16:53
I think you'll find that Eddies's profile in Melbourne has been dramatically reduced since his move to Sydney and his dropping of all on air commitments. Pouf!!! There goes your Eddie in the media 24/7 argument. And you hate Collingwood, big deal, you can go to the back of a very loooooooooooong queue. Personally I don't hate Adelaide at all, you're football newbies compared to the ancient rivalries that have existed in this state for a hundred years. We recognise that we are the most hated and talked about (you're a graphic example) club in the land, and thats the way we like it. It seems we are a lightning rod for people (like you)this year and I wonder why that is? Keep talking about us, its just feeds our fire! We're COLLINGWOOD, and we don't care what you think.:thumbsu:
Haha yeah well there definetly are different perspectives on this matter. A lot of Collingwood fans don't like being the most hated club, and rightly so. Why the hell would you want to be mocked just because of your team name?
And I'm not just talking about this year einstein. Eddie has been in the media spotlight for very long time and only now is the eddie attention slowing down. Eddie is one very greedy man. He needs to choose which path he is going to go down because juggling these two major jobs wont be doing Collingwood any good in the long run.
Dont worry. Collingwood are coming to Sydney in Rd 11. :DAnd we will hopefully find room on the plane for the second time keeeper this time.
ICanDressMyself
8 Jun 2006, 16:55
Right. You want Collingwood to travel interstate 7 times in the home and away season when there are only 6 interstate clubs. Nice.
BTW Gellong is not interstate.
I said Tasmania or Manuka once. Playing Roos or Saints, and playing Geelong at their actual home ground in Geelong.
Don't act all stupid like you didn't know what I meant. :rolleyes:
celtic_pride
8 Jun 2006, 16:57
To be honest, I dont' really have a problem with it, Collingwood don't make the draw and to be honest all Vic clubs want to have a home game against them each year. Frankly they travel 4 times this year (which is only one less then my club) and 5 trips is usually the normal number of interstate games for most vic clubs (except those who sell home games interstate)
this thread just sounds like an unreasonable whinge to me.
ICanDressMyself
8 Jun 2006, 16:58
9 (or 7) interstate trips when there are only 6 interstate teams?
That Melbourne teams sell home games that they have to play 'away' is up to them. Saints and Hawthorn can play in Tassie if they want to, but don't use them as a yardstick to judge teams who don't/won't go there to play home games. Collingwood obviously don't need or want to play there. Hawthorn travel 8 times (9 if you want to include Geelong!) but FOUR of these are home games...3 in Tassie and 1 at Carrara.
Sure Collingwood could always play another game another at Subi and perhaps one at Skilled this year but otherwise there's no problem. Most teams are still in Melbourne whether people like it or not, so it makes sense to play most games there.
Then why not 6 games interstate for Collingwood?
Hawthorn still have to do the hassel of travelling. Fatigue could take it's toll and if Hawks are playing games in Tassie, it really is a neutral ground. They're not going to get their entire supporter base in Tassie.
Stumpy Pete
8 Jun 2006, 17:00
So will this mean Melbourne will get more supporters to the game? No.
Collingwood if anyone have the advantage. I don't care about gate revenue, they are getting their 50,000 fans to every game in Melbourne, which is 18. Therefore they are unfairly advantaged. Simple.
You don't care about gate revenue but I bet the Melbourne Football Club do.
I'm sure that if they are playing Collingwood once a year and the Bulldogs once a year they will choose Collingwood as their home game and Bulldogs as their away game every year.
Of course you do understand that home club gets Lion's share of the gate takings don't you?
Regards
S. Pete
FuManchu
8 Jun 2006, 17:04
Then why not 6 games interstate for Collingwood?
Hawthorn still have to do the hassel of travelling. Fatigue could take it's toll and if Hawks are playing games in Tassie, it really is a neutral ground. They're not going to get their entire supporter base in Tassie.
Its simple, we are worth more to the AFL at home, than we are away.
I said Tasmania or Manuka once. Playing Roos or Saints, and playing Geelong at their actual home ground in Geelong.
Don't act all stupid like you didn't know what I meant. :rolleyes:
I know exactlly what you mean, and I can happily inform you that it is still stupid.
Does your Club plan to fund the loss in revenue to each of Geelong, St Kilda and North Melbourne?
That would be fair.
Hawthorn still have to do the hassel of travelling. Fatigue could take it's toll and if Hawks are playing games in Tassie, it really is a neutral ground. They're not going to get their entire supporter base in Tassie.
They chose to play there home game in Tassie. Home teams can choose to play there home games wherever they like. Are you to dumb to understand this concept.
So Hawthorn choose to play some home games interstate. It is there choice.
Clubs can chose to play there home games wherever they like. We choose to play ours in Melbourne. Some Victorians choose to play there home games interstate.
Don't hold that against us.
ICanDressMyself
8 Jun 2006, 17:26
They chose to play there home game in Tassie. Home teams can choose to play there home games wherever they like. Are you to dumb to understand this concept.
So Hawthorn choose to play some home games interstate. It is there choice.
Clubs can chose to play there home games wherever they like. We choose to play ours in Melbourne. Some Victorians choose to play there home games interstate.
Don't hold that against us.
So because there is lack of travelling required for Collingwood seeing as there is only 6 interstate teams, why not make it fair and make them play 6 interstate games and 16 games in Victoria? It's not much but definetly an improvement. I just don't see why Collingwood are given the absolute minimum when it comes to travelling interstate.
So because there is lack of travelling required for Collingwood seeing as there is only 6 interstate teams, why not make it fair and make them play 6 interstate games and 16 games in Victoria? It's not much but definetly an improvement. I just don't see why Collingwood are given the absolute minimum when it comes to travelling interstate.
Shouldn't you be saying, which Melbourne clubs should be told to give up their best money earning game.
Who?
Norf?
Dogs?
If you don't have a solution then STFU
Stumpy Pete
8 Jun 2006, 17:28
1. Because you can't let the choice of some clubs mean that the AFL dictates the travel of another.
2. Because we have to play some interstate teams twice a year and we can't play both of those games interstate.
Regards
S. Pete
So because there is lack of travelling required for Collingwood seeing as there is only 6 interstate teams, why not make it fair and make them play 6 interstate games and 16 games in Victoria? It's not much but definetly an improvement. I just don't see why Collingwood are given the absolute minimum when it comes to travelling interstate.
Tell me, how is that fair. So because other teams 'choose' to play home games interstate, then you believe that Collingwood should be forced to play 6 away games interestate? And you reckon thats fair.
Tell me, how many Victorian teams are playing 6 'away' games interestate this year? Any?
And then there is the fact that nearly all Victorian teams request home games against us. So.....which club do you feel should miss out on the financial advantages of playing Collingwood at home?
Quite frankly, I don't give a damn how many games we play interstate. We've got a pretty good record interstate. But I think you'll find that those who will hurt the most are the poorer Victorian clubs, who quite often depend on the revenue they will recieve from playing us as a home game.
But then again, you don't really care about them, do you. And you just want something to whinge about, don't you.
When Essendon played 17 games at the MCG in 2000, not a whisper was heard. I wonder why that is?
ICanDressMyself
8 Jun 2006, 17:33
1. Because you can't let the choice of some clubs mean that the AFL dictates the travel of another.
2. Because we have to play some interstate teams twice a year and we can't play both of those games interstate.
Regards
S. Pete
Whhaaaa?
Freo once, WCE once, Adelaice once, Port once, Sydney once, Brisbane once. What's wrong with that?
crazy_big_al
8 Jun 2006, 17:35
Eddie is a ****er