what would we trade for paul chapman. [Archive]

Longy413

10 Jun 2006, 17:31

He's a very good player, but not really what we need. He's not a pure midfielder and he obviously isn't a key defender. I think we'd be looking at players that could fill our major weaknesses before we looked at a player like Chapman. If a young midfielder like James Kelly (just an example, don't know his contract status etc) were to become available, I think we'd look there first.

Sheedy has already said won't be trading our draft picks.

d-mac3276

10 Jun 2006, 17:33

heard from a friend of his that if geelong don't improve by the end of year ,that he might be interested in coming back closer to melbourne and seeing that he is from our area would we have a crack at him?

i suggest this, (one player maybe,soloman or mj and a 2nd round draft pick which will be either pick 17,18 or 19) what do people think about that? no chance in that happening they would want a first round draft pick and i don't think mj would b enough

Longy413

10 Jun 2006, 17:34

Also worth noting, that if a player of this ilk was to come on the market, we'd be trying to push him into the PSD.

tomthabuddah

10 Jun 2006, 18:34

heard from a friend of his that if geelong don't improve by the end of year ,that he might be interested in coming back closer to melbourne and seeing that he is from our area would we have a crack at him?

i suggest this, (one player maybe,soloman or mj and a 2nd round draft pick which will be either pick 17,18 or 19) what do people think about that?

Sounds like a good deal. Take that to geelong at draft time and see what they say.. You must be on the moonshine again.. lay off it pal for yourself.

whirl

10 Jun 2006, 18:38

I would love Chapman, damn fine player.

ant555

10 Jun 2006, 18:55

Great player but not really what we need so nothing .

C4[2]Yo`DooR

10 Jun 2006, 20:51

I will never forgive him for shooting Lennon

zafa23

10 Jun 2006, 21:15

mikben

11 Jun 2006, 21:20

heard from a friend of his that if geelong don't improve by the end of year ,that he might be interested in coming back closer to melbourne and seeing that he is from our area would we have a crack at him?

i suggest this, (one player maybe,soloman or mj and a 2nd round draft pick which will be either pick 17,18 or 19) what do people think about that?

Okay this is how it works......

Wells to the Eagles
Judd to Essendon
Essendon give the roos 1st round pick and 2nd round pick
Essendon give the Eagles thier 2nd overall pick

so you give up your 1st, second picks and one 2nd round pick for Judd

jules101

11 Jun 2006, 22:48

Okay this is how it works......

Wells to the Eagles
Judd to Essendon
Essendon give the roos 1st round pick and 2nd round pick
Essendon give the Eagles thier 2nd overall pick

so you give up your 1st, second picks and one 2nd round pick for Judd

How bout we convince Judd with $1 Million a year and he comes to us in the PSD?

drew_j

11 Jun 2006, 23:07

All dreaming... This situation was even possible, both the Cats and the Eagles would up the pay for these players by 50% Not going to happen. I'll say it again. Not Going To Happen.

djharps

11 Jun 2006, 23:11

is it me.. or has with the minor injury of judd shown us that he is the MOST influential player in the league (i thought brown was up there but no) this is my point.. you have west coast great list coaches ra ra ra , best club going round (there abouts) one the flag favourites and judd has been out for the last 2 weeks and they have come REALLY REALLY close to lossing to geelong and carlton (sh-i-t-e teams) just to bring them back from nothing to just win.. now there are 2 sides.. one the fighting spirit of the coasters (which is bull****) or the fact that they just beat very average teams .. the fighting spirit only applies against evenly matched lists in good matches.. not when your 1.05 to win.. mayb the smart ppl at subiaco will realise no judd = very average team (despite their star list) .. now how would they feel that their coaching tactics have come undone beacuse of one player injured.. we lost lloyd but we were never flag favourites.. better sign judd up quick!

djharps

11 Jun 2006, 23:54

oh back to the post.. id trade one my t-shirts that i wore the night before... after a big one and wound up (just) home at 6 in the morn.. sweat, grog all over it... ahh u get my point.. not much lol

The awful truth

12 Jun 2006, 00:45

He is good but you neen good player to trade for good players. We don't have anyone that fits that criteria. We would have to trade draft picks. :thumbsd:

Barts

12 Jun 2006, 09:59

How about Scott Lucas to Geelong? If they have say a pick in the top 8.

Heard this one on the radio, and to me, I would be tempted to take it. But only for a top 5 pick.

ant555

12 Jun 2006, 17:56

Hang on a second, not really the type of player we need? He may not be top priority but seeing how we are struggling to kick scores above 60-70 and are severely devoid of a classy crumbing forward he'd definitely be very useful.

If we had some more class in the midfield they may be able to hit our forwards so we could kick 15 goals every week.
As good as he would be our main needs at the moment are a genine star midfielder and another tall defender.

windyhill

12 Jun 2006, 18:43

Chapman ? Handy , wouldn`t sell the farm to get him though.

DaSawx

12 Jun 2006, 18:58

Something of his quality would be nice in the PSD

MrAaron

12 Jun 2006, 18:59

Chapman for Bolton. :thumbsu:

ant555

12 Jun 2006, 19:02

Although these guys are not up to Chapmans level yet i belive we have a number of small forward options. Lovett and Monfires have shown a couple of times they can be dangerous. In the seconds Lonergan and Hocking havnt been going too badly up forward either . Mark Johnson is pretty handy up forward at his best and when he isnt needed elsewhere. Hird is basicly a half forward flanker now and it looks like he will be playing on.

Devilcat

12 Jun 2006, 19:07

Hate to burst your bubble Bombers, but Chapman is going nowhere. He is touted as a future captain at catland. Geelong does have way too many talented, skillfull, yet underperforming midfielders. You guys might be able to offer something for Enright, Kelly, or possibly Ling. We might even sweeten the deal with one K.Kingsley. :)

darren forssman

12 Jun 2006, 19:19

i suggest this, (one player maybe,soloman or mj and a 2nd round draft pick which will be either pick 17,18 or 19) what do people think about that?

we would want shane heard, merv neagle and alan ezard in return for chapman. oh and a 5th rounder. i think that is preferrable to the tripe in soloman and mj and 2nd round pick that your dishing up.

oooze

12 Jun 2006, 19:23

carn_the_cattas

12 Jun 2006, 19:29

Lloyd + Lucas + Pick 1 for Chapman. ;)

12 Jun 2006, 19:40

I asked Chappy the other day if he would go to Essendon. He is still laughing at that one. I mean really laughing!!!!

windyhill

12 Jun 2006, 20:00

Geez, draft your own players. Is ur recruiting manager incapable of drafting a good player or something. The dees have got plenty of great young players that did not cost alot in terms of the draft, Bartram(60), Dunn(15), Bate(13). Stop taking everybody elses players.
I take your point, but The PSD is different. If there is someone of quality who is looking to move every club would look at him. Surely Melbourne have used this method previously. G.Moorcroft ? for example ?

ant555

12 Jun 2006, 20:08

ant555

12 Jun 2006, 20:09

I asked Chappy the other day if he would go to Essendon. He is still laughing at that one. I mean really laughing!!!!

Givne your sides major under achievnents over the years i bet he was really laughing :D

Longy413

12 Jun 2006, 20:11

Geez, draft your own players.

Like Pickett, Read, Holland, Moloney, Motlop and Johnson?

You've got more players on your list from other clubs than Essendon does.

ant555

12 Jun 2006, 20:23

Like Pickett, Read, Holland, Moloney, Motlop and Johnson?

You've got more players on your list from other clubs than Essendon does.

Jeff White can go on that list as well.

oooze

12 Jun 2006, 21:48

Johnson, moloney were still young when we picked them up. we only picked up Moltop because we basically had to given the Broadbridge tragedy. Melbourne are excused from picking up players like Pickett etc. because we are going for the premiership, you are not. Its like essendon are in like "rebuilding phase denial" or something. hehe

ant555

12 Jun 2006, 21:50

Longy413

12 Jun 2006, 21:59

jules101

13 Jun 2006, 11:18

Essendon: James Kelly,
Geelong: Sydney Rd 1 draft pick No.13 or so
Sydney: McVeigh

EssendonPride

13 Jun 2006, 11:22

Essendon: James Kelly, Sydney 2nd round draft pick
Geelong: Essendon 2nd round draft pick (17 prob)
Sydney: McVeigh

Why wouldn't we just give Geelong our 2nd rounder for Kelly, and keep McVeigh.

I'd much rather him than Sydneys 2nd rounder....

jules101

13 Jun 2006, 11:25

Why wouldn't we just give Geelong our 2nd rounder for Kelly, and keep McVeigh.

I'd much rather him than Sydneys 2nd rounder....

Changed it..

DaSawx

13 Jun 2006, 11:28

No thanks

McVeigh > James Kelly

jules101

13 Jun 2006, 11:30

No thanks

McVeigh > James Kelly

McVeigh can go home, he will do eventually. Might as well trade him when he is still valuable. Kelly having a bad season but he is a better player then he is showing. Essendon supporter as a kid...

Longy413

13 Jun 2006, 11:37

McVeigh can go home, he will do eventually.

Why would he?
He's been 8 years now, there has been no indication in the past he was truely interested in going home other than baseless speculation, he's now playing very good footy for a club he loves.

No doubt there is the attraction of playing with his brother, but I doubt that will be enough for him to pack up and leave Melbourne.

Kelly having a bad season but he is a better player then he is showing. Essendon supporter as a kid...

Force him into the PSD then. If he wants to come, we won't need a trade.

Sheedy has already said we won't be trading our early draft picks.

dave_27

13 Jun 2006, 11:53

Would rather get Mcveigh's brother to Essendon.

jules101

13 Jun 2006, 12:06

Its just a theory I put up for you. Would love to see kelly at Essendon. He is a class player.. Our problem is that we have no one that we would trade that another team would want.
I think that mcVeigh going to Sydney is more likely then Geelong accepting a trade for Johnson.

DaSawx

13 Jun 2006, 12:07

Kelly in the PSD would be something to look at, he looked horrible Friday night be he is a better footballer than that

jules101

13 Jun 2006, 12:09

Kelly in the PSD would be something to look at, he looked horrible Friday night be he is a better footballer than that

Is he uncontracted?

DaSawx

13 Jun 2006, 12:11

Is he uncontracted?

Not sure, I think he signed something last year, just before he went on the Footy Show, but don't know how long it was for

Darealrath

13 Jun 2006, 20:52

Kelly hasn't done much since he burst onto the scene. I'd need some more convincing before wanting to give much up for him.

scottydeewah

15 Jun 2006, 03:18

Kelly is contracted. No PSD draft for him. After the Nick Stephens deal everyone with the first PSD pick thinks they will get good players who decided to walk out on their club. It really won’t happen very often, most clubs in the end would find a club to do a deal. I am sure one club would offer us something decent for Kelly or at the very least SOMETHING.

Two things I find interesting about this thread.

That Chapman would leave cause of lack of success at Geelong to go to Essendon. Look I am not arguing that through the course of history your club is a standout. BUT you guys are ****ed ATM and your list is in tatters. Okay so you have some good kids but you are a good three years away from a crack at the big one. So okay Geelong is having a bad year but we have a chance of turning it around quickly (ala WC, Crows, Dees of recent times) and also our list is still very young so in three years we could still be competitive. The whole notion of this is stupid. Oh and I am not trying to troll by having a go at your list it has happened to all of us, in fact as hard as it is to watch I can tell you from our slide that it is probably better to go bottom bottom then slide halfway.
That people have been "we dont need him", "not the type of player we need". RUBBISH. He is EXACTLY the type of player you need, someone who can play football. Dont be thinking that you are one or two good players away from success. You are about 9-10 players. Okay so you may not want to trade for him and what is asked of Geelong might make it a stupid trade but do not overvalue your list or devalue a good player. He would walk up in your side and also (ATM) go EASY top 5 in your BF. Geelong is a better team at the moment and we could do with another Chappy.
Unless you can get a REAL topline player who is also YOUNG - very key - I would keep all your draft picks. I highly doubt you will make it out of the bottom 6 next year either so you are in no rush. You have a good group of middle age players and youngsters coming through to build a list.

Jack-Packenham

15 Jun 2006, 09:53

I love Chappy but if you guys want to swap him for Watson and Stanton I would take it.

Otherwise no deal.

DaSawx

15 Jun 2006, 10:47

Kelly is contracted. No PSD draft for him.

After Friday's performance I'm not too fussed on him

I am sure one club would offer us something decent for Kelly or at the very least SOMETHING.

He still has to agree on the trade, if he wanted to play for us hypothetically, and was out of contract, we would get him in the PSD

That Chapman would leave cause of lack of success at Geelong to go to Essendon.

Someone just made it up for arguments sake anyway

BUT you guys are ****ed ATM and your list is in tatters.

Decimated by injuries, that is a fact

our list is still very young

so is ours

He is EXACTLY the type of player you need, someone who can play football.

Agree

Dont be thinking that you are one or two good players away from success. You are about 9-10 players.

That's pure crap and utter baiting

I highly doubt you will make it out of the bottom 6 next year either

You never know

Devilcat

15 Jun 2006, 14:22

Decimated by injuries, that is a fact

Umm, more than decimated. Your team relies on Lloyd... He tore the hamstring off the bone, and did it pretty severely. Cruel justice I think. Serves him right for diving like a show pony. Ironic that he did such a severe injury diving. I spoke to my physio at the start of the year... He has seen it all be4 and reckons that there is no way that Lloyd will be as good as he was. Therefore, your team is screwed. Enjoy the woopen spoon over the next 2-3 years. :)

Karlostj

15 Jun 2006, 15:04

Umm, more than decimated. Your team relies on Lloyd... He tore the hamstring off the bone, and did it pretty severely. Cruel justice I think. Serves him right for diving like a show pony. Ironic that he did such a severe injury diving. I spoke to my physio at the start of the year... He has seen it all be4 and reckons that there is no way that Lloyd will be as good as he was. Therefore, your team is screwed. Enjoy the woopen spoon over the next 2-3 years. :)

Ah so you spoke to your physio. Well Lloyd might as well retire right now. By the sounds of it your physio knows what he is talking about.

Give up Lloyd!

Just in case you're interested in a second opinion on the matter, Quin (the fitness guy at EFC) just came out today and said that there is no doubt that Lloyd will come back and feel no ill effects....

However, I'm still going with your physio!

I'm glad Geelong won that pre-season GF, it should make missing out on sept a lot easier to handle....

Longy413

15 Jun 2006, 20:30

That people have been "we dont need him", "not the type of player we need". RUBBISH. He is EXACTLY the type of player you need, someone who can play football.

If you are going to come onto another clubs board, the least you could do it make some sort of attempt to keep things in context.

Sheedy has stated we'll look at uncontracted players. Sheedy has stated we'll be looking to add young talent to our list.

Realistically, we are only any chance of adding one established player to our list. Now, the suggestion was that there are other types of players we should look at first, that would fill direct weaknesses. Sure Chapman would be an addition and would strengthen our side, but if you are going to go to the effort of getting a player from an another club, there are other types you'd look at first before a flanker.

For example, Paul Chapman becomes available, Essendon hunt him down and sign him. Agree to pick him up with the first pick in the PSD. Meanwhile Matt Maguire signals his intent to leave St Kilda. Who would be a better fit at Essendon, Maguire obviously, he fills a great need.

Hypothetical, unrealistic, most definately. But so is Chapman coming to Essendon. But as I said at the start, if we are going to chase a player from another club there are a huge list of players that would come before Chapman.

stander

15 Jun 2006, 21:23

[quote=Longy413] Meanwhile Matt Maguire signals his intent to leave St Kilda. Who would be a better fit at Essendon, Maguire obviously, he fills a great need.quote]

Well picked up Lpngy 413- Maguire obviously, fills a great need, and we let Richards go who has played 10 straight for a premiership side, and both play the same position. I hope Zantuck doesn't nominate for the PSD!

Longy413

15 Jun 2006, 22:49

Well picked up Lpngy 413- Maguire obviously, fills a great need, and we let Richards go who has played 10 straight for a premiership side, and both play the same position. I hope Zantuck doesn't nominate for the PSD!

Ted Richards is a very ordinary footballer and isn't playing at CHB.

Can you name any of the top shelf forwards he's played on this season?
They do not play in the same position.

Ty Zantuck has beaten more quality forwards than Ted has, he was a better footballer, still is. Ty isn't on an AFL list because didn't have the mental application to do what it takes to survive at the top level. On football ability alone, he has it all over Richards.

Ted played the last 10 games of the season, he wanted to go because he wanted opportunities to play as a forward. Roos said he would give him that, we tried to talk him into staying. But I guess Lucas, Lloyd, Hird, Hille have Ted covered and he walked. We did very well to get a first round draft pick for him.

Please, get fair dinkum.

scottydeewah

16 Jun 2006, 03:23

Quote:
Dont be thinking that you are one or two good players away from success. You are about 9-10 players.

That's pure crap and utter baiting

Fair enough I wasnt trying to bait (read the posts by GFC people after me, thats baiting!). Maybe I should add that some of the players on your list right now could fill those positions. But seriously your team is not even 3-4 players short unless those players where out and out superstars. Okay so with JB, Scarlett, Cox and Judd you never know but I am talking just very good footballers. Okay so they may come out of the current crop of youngsters as they do look exciting but that is still a few years away.

If you are going to come onto another clubs board, the least you could do it make some sort of attempt to keep things in context. Okay so you may not want to trade for him and what is asked of Geelong might make it a stupid trade but do not overvalue your list or devalue a good player.
- in other words, yes, dont make a stupid trade for him. I also said, like your coach (i am a genius) that you should go for youth.

You never know
Damn straight I dont...fine point

stander

16 Jun 2006, 09:01

Ted Richards is a very ordinary footballer and isn't playing at CHB.

Can you name any of the top shelf forwards he's played on this season?
They do not play in the same position.

Ty Zantuck has beaten more quality forwards than Ted has, he was a better footballer, still is. Ty isn't on an AFL list because didn't have the mental application to do what it takes to survive at the top level. On football ability alone, he has it all over Richards.

Ted played the last 10 games of the season, he wanted to go because he wanted opportunities to play as a forward. Roos said he would give him that, we tried to talk him into staying. But I guess Lucas, Lloyd, Hird, Hille have Ted covered and he walked. We did very well to get a first round draft pick for him.

Please, get fair dinkum.

Longy413 you have tunnel vision. They both play on the back line and Ted Richards would certainly be handy in front of Fletcher. Zantuck was useless at Essendon and still is. Richards only played the last 10 games because Sheedys preferred options were injured. Our back line, which is where both Maguire and Richards play is too reliant on Fletcher. We have failed in a succession plan for Fletcher and another tall backman. Lucas Lloyd Hille and Hird did not have Richards covered. Sheedy stuffs players up- Hille (and Laycock) are not mobile forwards and Hird was 50/50 for 2006-so there would have in fact been 2 spots for Ted Richards - throw in lloyds injury and we are bankrupt. Don't applaud Dempsey yet - he has a long way to go son.

stander

16 Jun 2006, 09:28

Ted Richards is a very ordinary footballer and isn't playing at CHB. Can you name any of the top shelf forwards he's played on this season? They do not play in the same position.

Please, get fair dinkum.

Longy413- you are losing credibility- I have just been reminded in the office that Ted Richards was moved on to some top shelf against Sydney in Rd 1 after quarter time after the top shelf had kicked 6. There is more if you want. Open your eyes a bit more.

Longy413

16 Jun 2006, 09:58

Longy413 you have tunnel vision. They both play on the back line and Ted Richards would certainly be handy in front of Fletcher..

Ted Richards left because he didn't want to play in the backline. He saw himself as a forward.

Zantuck was useless at Essendon

So was Ted.

Richards only played the last 10 games because Sheedys preferred options were injured..

Because he wasn't good enough.

We have failed in a succession plan for Fletcher and another tall backman.

We've drafted Bradley, Lee and Lucy in the last three drafts. Neagle is also playing as a tall defender in the VFL.

Both Bradley and Lee are better footballers than Ted. Lucy has three things Ted doesn't, pace, natural body strength, and better foot skills.

Sheedy stuffs players up- Hille (and Laycock) are not mobile forwards

Did you see Laycock play as an Under 18? Do you what roles he played as a developing player?

Don't applaud Dempsey yet - he has a long way to go son.

I didn't applaud Dempsey, in fact I didn't even mention his name. All I said is we did well to get a first round draft pick for Richards.

Longy413- you are losing credibility- I have just been reminded in the office that Ted Richards was moved on to some top shelf against Sydney in Rd 1 after quarter time after the top shelf had kicked 6. There is more if you want. Open your eyes a bit more.

I'm losing my credibility because I stated Ted doesn't play CHB and you've given me an example of where he played FB after Sydney's first choice FB was moved. And Bolton spent time on Lloyd as well, Ted wasn't there for three quarters. (NOTE - FB isn't CHB and we have a FB).

FB isn't CHB, and Richards isn't his clubs first choice in that position. Barry plays at FB for Sydney, LRT plays at CHB and Craig Bolton quite often takes the next tall. Ted picks up the third or fourth string forward or pinch hits up forward.

Doesn't the fact that Sydney choose to play two blokes that are lighter and shorter than Ted on bigger bodies forwards, ahead of Richards say something about his capabilities of playing in a key defense position?

ant555

16 Jun 2006, 20:21

Longy413- you are losing credibility- I have just been reminded in the office that Ted Richards was moved on to some top shelf against Sydney in Rd 1 after quarter time after the top shelf had kicked 6. There is more if you want. Open your eyes a bit more.

You keep losing credibility every time you mention Richards as a loss . He was and still is an average AFL player .
One would suspect you are the one with tunnel vision ;)

cobba

18 Jun 2006, 17:44

How about Scott Lucas to Geelong? If they have say a pick in the top 8.

Heard this one on the radio, and to me, I would be tempted to take it. But only for a top 5 pick.

lucas isnt worth a rnd 1 pick in the super draft

cobba

18 Jun 2006, 17:47

Essendon: James Kelly,
Geelong: Sydney Rd 1 draft pick No.13 or so
Sydney: McVeigh

thats a good fair deal for all teams involved

F/D

18 Jun 2006, 18:26

thats a good fair deal for all teams involved
Thats a stupid trade.

Mark McVeigh isnt even worth a 1st rounder nor James Kelly.

ant555

18 Jun 2006, 18:29

Thats a stupid trade.

Mark McVeigh isnt even worth a 1st rounder nor James Kelly.

The whole thread is stupid , we wont be completing any big trades . The blokes we have that have trade value are players we need to keep.
Our only hope of getting a good player from an other club is to offer an uncontracted player a good deal of cash and grab him in the pre season draft depending on if we finish last which at this stage looks likely.

cobba

18 Jun 2006, 18:31

kelly was drafted with pick 17 and he has had a few yrs put into him now, he woulb be at least worth pick 15

F/D

18 Jun 2006, 18:31

The whole thread is stupid , we wont be completing any big trades . The blokes we have that have trade value are players we need to keep.
Our only hope of getting a good player from an other club is to offer an uncontracted player a good deal of cash and grab him in the pre season draft depending on if we finish last which at this stage looks likely.
Good post and I agree.

If you need anything, it's a Daniel Wells type of player and a CHB.

PS: DONT take Daniel Wells ;)