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Gunnar Longshanks
12 Jun 2006, 01:33
MICHAEL BRAUN – 11 games, 1 goal. A

Has been one of our most consistent players, and is in close to career-best form. Is one of the fittest players around and covers as much territory as any player in the league. Has been one of the main guys to step up a notch in our last quarter surges. Very reliable. Going beautifully.

DEAN COX – 11 games, 11 goals. A+

Started in a blaze of glory, but has plateued slightly. Still the #1 ruckman in the comp, and is rarely beaten. One of our genuine top-tier guns, whose work around the ground and ability to go forward to great effect have been the stand-out features of our season to date. Absolute gun.

ANDREW EMBLEY – 11 games, 16 goals. C

Very good in patches, but has drifted in and out of games. At his best, Embley is one of the league’s best utilities. Yet to hit those levels in 2006. Work rate remains very high, but hasn’t gotten full value with his touches, and has been patchy when playing forward. Will get better.

CHAD FLETCHER – 11 games, 1 goal. C

An improved output in recent weeks after a pretty ordinary first two months. Bad disposal has marred games where he found plenty of the ball. Has been played across HF, but his deliveries into F50 have been disappointing. Can re-establish himself in the side, but needs to do more.

DARREN GLASS – 11 games, 0 goals. B+

Rarely beaten, and has worked hard to remove errors from his game. His one-on-one work has been top-tier for almost two years, and he’s improved dramatically when clearing the ball. A bad first half against Carlton doesn’t outweigh his otherwise excellent season to date. Going well.

JAYMIE GRAHAM – 11 games, 8 goals. B+

One of the real bonuses for us this year. Mobile, strong overhead, with very good skills. Has been very reliable in defence in a variety of roles, and has also shown a bit when played forward. His development allows us to throw Hunter forward with confidence. More of the same, please.

ADAM HUNTER – 11 games, 14 goals. A-

A little up-and-down, but overall very good. Contested marking continues to improve and remains a genuine wildcard with his ability to go forward. Has been exposed a few of times closer to goal, but his versatility has won us a couple of games. Needs to produce his best more often.

QUINTEN LYNCH – 11 games, 19 goals. B+

One of my favourites. Huge improvement since 2005, and is now an automatic selection. Work-rate at ground level is fantastic. One of our best long kicks and generally finds a team-mate. Still a little unfashionable, and started slowly. But overall, The Big Unit’s output has been very good.

ADAM SELWOOD – 11 games, 3 goals. A-

His improvement has been one of the most pleasing aspects of 2006. Usually gets a run-with job but continues to find the ball. His work around the contest, his tackling and his courage in close have been excellent. Automatic selection, and is becoming a very important part of our make-up.

BRENT STAKER - 11 games, 12 goals. C+

Improved contested marking has allowed him to cement a spot, but has still played a few stinkers. Very good at ground level, and generally uses the ball well. Has all the ingredients, but just needs to find an extra level when playing deep. Greater consistency needed to fulfil his potential.

TYSON STENGLEIN – 11 games, 5 goals. A

Having an excellent season and has added a vital defensive edge to our midfield. Tackling is a stand-out, and rarely coughs it up. Has done some excellent tagging jobs on dangerous players. Uses the ball well under pressure. Strong overhead. Very important player. No complaints.

DAVID WIRRPANDA – 11 games, 5 goals. B

Hard to criticise, on account of his innately risky sweeper role. Is still an integral part of the team, but hasn’t been as good as in 2005. Has been beaten for pace by a few opponents, and his normally sublime disposal has gone down a notch. Will get better, and will step up when it counts.

DANIEL CHICK – 10 games, 13 goals. B+

Shoulders more than his share of the grunt work and has been fantastic in bursts. Increasingly played alongside Lynch close to goal and has been one to lift at crucial stages. Tackling and hardness at the contest is a stand-out. Prone to patchiness, but overall very good.

DANIEL KERR – 10 games, 4 goals. A-

Unbelievable in patches, but another player struggling for consistency. A power midfielder who is very creative going forward. The contested nature of his touches can limit their effect, and sometimes fails to take the first option. Huge contributions at crunch stages. 4 quarters needed.

MATT ROSA – 10 games, 2 goals. B

Devloping nicely and looks more composed than a 13-gamer. Still very much an outside-player, but that’s not a bad thing. Often gets the ball in space and can carry the ball. As such, needs to use the ball better when delivering to forwards. May be dropped come September for balance.

MARK SEABY – 10 games, 3 goals. C-

22 years old and still developing. Tap-work is very good, but doesn’t offer enough otherwise. Suspect skills at ground level, and hasn’t shown much when playing forward. Needs to start holding contested marks in order to cement a spot. Probably not in our best 22.

ROWAN JONES – 9 games, 7 goals. B-

An unfashionable player who has long been a favoured whipping-boy. Work-rate partially makes up for lack of pace and ordinary skills. Delivery to forwards needs to improve, but has managed to create opportunities for team-mates at crucial stages. Encouraging, but well short of top-tier.

CHRIS JUDD – 9 games, 12 goals. A+

The complete package. Tackling, contested ball and clearances from clinches are as much features of his game as the more spectacular elements. Amazing purple patch R5-7 when scoring power was added to his repertoire. Needs to convert more set shots. Superstar. Please stay fit.

MARK NICOSKI – 9 games, 4 goals. A-

Has come up a notch in 2006 and is developing into dynamic rebounding HBF. Great acceleration and a beautiful long kick. Probably doesn’t help out team-mates enough by chopping off passes. Can kick a long goal and is dangerous when in space. A wildcard who is yet to peak.

BEAU WATERS – 9 games, 2 goals. C

Disappointing. Yet to cement a spot and doesn’t appear to have an obvious role. Harsh criticisms of a 20 year-old. Hardness at the contest is outstanding, but needs to use the ball better and make smarter decisions. Looks strong overhead and could find his niche as a mid-sized forward.

BEN COUSINS – 8 games, 6 goals. A+

Unbelievably, remains under-rated. Clearly still the on-field leader. Non-stop run and willingness to take hits has been nothing short of inspirational. While many have struggled for 4-quarter outputs, Cousins has been relentless. Somehow finds an extra gear at crunch stages. Awesome.

ASHLEY SAMPI – 7 games, 7 goals. C-

The small forward walks a tightrope, and for the moment, Sampi looks to have taken a tumble. Although his hardness and tackling was still OK, lack of fitness limited his capacity to do the 1%ers which are part of his role. A return of 7.10 reflects a failure to take chances. Struggling, but not finished.

ASHLEY HANSEN – 6 games, 8 goals. C+

Another forward whose promising form has been diluted by periods of frustration. Remains our best option at CHF and was a big factor in 4th quarter surges against Collingwood and Essendon. Works hard but has made some ordinary decisions, and probably hasn’t taken all his chances.

BRETT JONES – 4 games, 0 goals. C

Prospects have been hurt by the form of Jaymie Graham, who is smarter, more versatile and better-skilled. Can cough it up and make bad decisions. Still a solid depth-player who could hold down a spot in the event of injury, but his deficiencies mean his opportunities may be limited.

DREW BANFIELD – 3 games, 0 goals. B+

The old stager was welcomed back after 8 weeks on the sidelines. Definitely plugs a hole and his composure at the coalface means he’s still best 22. Isn’t getting any quicker and won’t break many games apart, but his steadying influence and work-rate are valuable assets. Very reliable.

SHANNON HURN – 3 games, 1 goal. C

Hard to assess a 3-gamer. Grade is pretty meaningless. Definitely showed enough to suggest a bright future, but may take some time to adjust to the tempo of AFL. Limited game-time reduced his impact, but it’s unclear what role he will fill. Very promising, but won’t be a regular this season.

JOSH WOODEN – 2 games, 1 goal. C+

Starved of opportunities despite being a pretty handy player. Still quick enough to have an impact and long kicking remains dangerous. Probably won’t get the chances he deserves on account of his age, but will do a job if selected. Would have played 100+ games at most clubs. Unlucky.

MATTHEW PRIDDIS – 1 game, 0 goals. B+

After a strong debut in remarkable game, Sideshow Priddis was sent back to the WAFL. Will take a lot of hard work to cement a spot in a stacked midfield, but looks to have the tools. Could definitely take over Fletcher’s role eventually, but needs to keep banging on the door until then.

NB: Players are graded based on what we need from them to be at our best. Andrew Embley is not on the same scale as Matthew Rosa.

larrikin
12 Jun 2006, 01:43
Good write up - disagree with some of the ratings, but the comments are pretty much spot on. Perhaps a little harsh on Brett Jones?

otis_david
12 Jun 2006, 01:49
Yeah good read Gunnar but I think you've rated Chicky too high. He has been very good in patches but overall has been dissapointing. Probably a C.

Pretty generous with Quinten too but I can forgive that :p

(McDougall 30 possesion and 19 marks in the WAFL breathing down the Unit's neck..)

Gunnar Longshanks
12 Jun 2006, 01:50
Perhaps a little harsh on Brett Jones?How so?

He's pretty limited, and Graham is well in front.

larrikin
12 Jun 2006, 01:56
How so?

He's pretty limited, and Graham is well in front.
Jones is not the same player as Graham - he can play on mid size and some smalls. Jones is also far quicker and has a much better long kick (in terms of penetration and accuracy) - but it shouldn't be about comparing him to Graham.

Unfortunately we may have another Kasey Green on our hands (and I know a lot on this board don't rate Kasey but I do). I think Jones has been used out of position and got pigeon-holed, imagine him as a winger or HFF....

Gunnar Longshanks
12 Jun 2006, 01:59
Yeah good read Gunnar but I think you've rated Chicky too high. He has been very good in patches but overall has been dissapointing. Probably a C.I thought about that.

But I almost reckon Chick's contribution demands to rated on a separate scale.

You can't assess him purely on what he does with the ball or how often he gets it.

Chick brings something else to the team. It's about locking the ball in and creating opportunities through pressure.

I actually thought a few people would be on my back for not giving him enough props.

He has been very patchy, but he's been used in bursts, and generally, I think he's performing at the level we need him to. Even moreso since his move forward.

aza80
12 Jun 2006, 02:01
good read BUT...

sampi deserves a D-

and

fletcher a D

otherwise very accurate

Cerpin Taxt
12 Jun 2006, 02:08
Fletcher a D? You're joking right?

Gunnar Longshanks
12 Jun 2006, 02:08
Jones is not the same player as Graham - he can play on mid size and some smalls. Jones is also far quicker and has a much better long kick (in terms of penetration and accuracy) - but it shouldn't be about comparing him to Graham.I disagree.

It's not about Jones vs Graham necessarily, but it is worthwhile understanding what each brings to the team.

Bones was useful last year when we needed a third tall defender.

Now, with Graham able to take a genuine tall (which Bones could never really do), Hunter can take that 3rd forward without getting trapped close to goal.

If that 3rd forward isn't a factor, Graham's presence allows us to push Hunter forward. Bones was never reliable enough, or tall enough, to create that kind of genuine flexibility.

Also, we don't need Bones to play on mid-sized and small forwards. That's what Wirrpanda, Nicoski, Chick, Banfield, Stenglein and Selwood are for.

We need a player who can take the 2nd tall and release Hunter.

I just don't think Bones is as valuable, in terms of team balance and versatility, as Graham.

Unfortunately we may have another Kasey Green on our hands (and I know a lot on this board don't rate Kasey but I do). I think Jones has been used out of position and got pigeon-holed, imagine him as a winger or HFF....Look at our midfield. Look at our runners.

Brett Jones isn't in that calibre.

He has slow hands and doesn't use the ball well in traffic. His disposal is 50/50, and he simply doesn't have the legspeed to leap-frog guys already in the midfield mix.

Gunnar Longshanks
12 Jun 2006, 02:13
sampi deserves a D-

and

fletcher a DI'm not quite so harsh on Sampi.

He was disappointing, but I still thought he did some OK things.

Fletcher has improved in recent weeks, and still got enough ball to warrant a slightly higher grade.

aza80
12 Jun 2006, 02:13
Fletcher a D? You're joking right?
no, his disposal has been shocking week in week out. he does not give us an option going forward and he is not as hard at the footy compared to many of our midfield players. trade him.

larrikin
12 Jun 2006, 02:15
I disagree.
It's not about Jones vs Graham necessarily, but it is worthwhile understanding what each brings to the team.

Bones was useful last year when we needed a third tall defender.

Now, with Graham able to take a genuine tall (which Bones could never really do), Hunter can take that 3rd forward without getting trapped close to goal.

If that 3rd forward isn't a factor, Graham's presence allows us to push Hunter forward. Bones was never reliable enough, or tall enough, to create that kind of genuine flexibility.

Look at our midfield. Look at our runners.

Brett Jones isn't in that calibre.

He has slow hands and doesn't use the ball well in traffic. His disposal is 50/50, and he simply doesn't have the legspeed to leap-frog guys already in the midfield mix.
I acknowledge what you say about the 3rd tall, but in reality Graham isn't playing on the second best tall, Hunter is still doing that

Jones does have the leg speed as i see it - but that wasn't what I meant. The value with Brett Jones is his penetration. I'm certainly not talking about putting him in the guts, but as a link man on the wing or as a hard leading half forward I think he could add a lot of value.

Gunnar Longshanks
12 Jun 2006, 02:19
I acknowledge what you say about the 3rd tall, but in reality Graham isn't playing on the second best tall, Hunter is still doing that.What about when Hunter goes forward?

I'd rather have Graham filling a key defensive role than Bones.

The value with Brett Jones is his penetration. I'm certainly not talking about putting him in the guts, but as a link man on the wing or as a hard leading half forward I think he could add a lot of value.That's not what we need.

We have plenty of link-men as it is.

aza80
12 Jun 2006, 02:24
give graham the chb position as often as possible, let him grow into it. gives whoosh more freedom with the use of hunter.

larrikin
12 Jun 2006, 02:25
What about when Hunter goes forward?

I'd rather have Graham filling a key defensive role than Bones.

That's not what we need.

We have plenty of link-men as it is.
HUnter only goes forward if we have a decnt match up down back - Graham rarely takes Hunter's opponent. I'm in agreement with you on Graham, I would pick him before Jones. I actually like Staker going back to take that tall to mid size player, and if I was Woosh I would have tried Stakes on Robertson.

I just think Jones' run adds a bit to the team and I'd probably have him in there - for who is the tough question

Black JuJu
12 Jun 2006, 02:28
I'd say that's a pretty good assessment Gunnar, you didn't slip into some of your axe grinding so that always makes it a better read.

Gunnar Longshanks
12 Jun 2006, 02:30
I'd say that's a pretty good assessment Gunnar, you didn't slip into some of your axe grinding...I don't know what you're talking about.

Black JuJu
12 Jun 2006, 02:36
course not. sheer puffery.

jod23
12 Jun 2006, 05:01
Good write up GL.

Am I the only one who thinks Graham is still a little slow. I love Graham and he has come on really well, but he seems even slower than Jakovich when Jako was still covering CHB. If you put him on a Tredrea, Hall, he would be eaten alive. Obviously Hunter still takes those forwards but if Graham is to eventually take over from Hunter as the permanent CHB he needs to become quicker. Needs more muscle too bigger but he cant add more muscle or he may become slower? But he would easily be pushed aside by a Tredrea or Hall. Thoughts?

Gunnar Longshanks
12 Jun 2006, 05:31
Our midfield in order of best to worst:
Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Stenglein, Embley, Braun, Priddis, Fletcher, WatersSelwood?

Embers
12 Jun 2006, 11:55
Hard to throw out Ds and Fs when ya 10-1, so a good report overall.

Magnum27
12 Jun 2006, 12:07
MICHAEL BRAUN – 11 games, 1 goal. A

Has been one of our most consistent players, and is in close to career-best form. Is one of the fittest players around and covers as much territory as any player in the league. Has been one of the main guys to step up a notch in our last quarter surges. Very reliable. Going beautifully.

DEAN COX – 11 games, 11 goals. A+

Started in a blaze of glory, but has plateued slightly. Still the #1 ruckman in the comp, and is rarely beaten. One of our genuine top-tier guns, whose work around the ground and ability to go forward to great effect have been the stand-out features of our season to date. Absolute gun.

ANDREW EMBLEY – 11 games, 16 goals. C

Very good in patches, but has drifted in and out of games. At his best, Embley is one of the league’s best utilities. Yet to hit those levels in 2006. Work rate remains very high, but hasn’t gotten full value with his touches, and has been patchy when playing forward. Will get better.

CHAD FLETCHER – 11 games, 1 goal. C

An improved output in recent weeks after a pretty ordinary first two months. Bad disposal has marred games where he found plenty of the ball. Has been played across HF, but his deliveries into F50 have been disappointing. Can re-establish himself in the side, but needs to do more.

DARREN GLASS – 11 games, 0 goals. B+

Rarely beaten, and has worked hard to remove errors from his game. His one-on-one work has been top-tier for almost two years, and he’s improved dramatically when clearing the ball. A bad first half against Carlton doesn’t outweigh his otherwise excellent season to date. Going well.

JAYMIE GRAHAM – 11 games, 8 goals. B+

One of the real bonuses for us this year. Mobile, strong overhead, with very good skills. Has been very reliable in defence in a variety of roles, and has also shown a bit when played forward. His development allows us to throw Hunter forward with confidence. More of the same, please.

ADAM HUNTER – 11 games, 14 goals. A-

A little up-and-down, but overall very good. Contested marking continues to improve and remains a genuine wildcard with his ability to go forward. Has been exposed a few of times closer to goal, but his versatility has won us a couple of games. Needs to produce his best more often.

QUINTEN LYNCH – 11 games, 19 goals. B+

One of my favourites. Huge improvement since 2005, and is now an automatic selection. Work-rate at ground level is fantastic. One of our best long kicks and generally finds a team-mate. Still a little unfashionable, and started slowly. But overall, The Big Unit’s output has been very good.

ADAM SELWOOD – 11 games, 3 goals. A-

His improvement has been one of the most pleasing aspects of 2006. Usually gets a run-with job but continues to find the ball. His work around the contest, his tackling and his courage in close have been excellent. Automatic selection, and is becoming a very important part of our make-up.

BRENT STAKER - 11 games, 12 goals. C+

Improved contested marking has allowed him to cement a spot, but has still played a few stinkers. Very good at ground level, and generally uses the ball well. Has all the ingredients, but just needs to find an extra level when playing deep. Greater consistency needed to fulfil his potential.

TYSON STENGLEIN – 11 games, 5 goals. A

Having an excellent season and has added a vital defensive edge to our midfield. Tackling is a stand-out, and rarely coughs it up. Has done some excellent tagging jobs on dangerous players. Uses the ball well under pressure. Strong overhead. Very important player. No complaints.

DAVID WIRRPANDA – 11 games, 5 goals. B

Hard to criticise, on account of his innately risky sweeper role. Is still an integral part of the team, but hasn’t been as good as in 2005. Has been beaten for pace by a few opponents, and his normally sublime disposal has gone down a notch. Will get better, and will step up when it counts.

DANIEL CHICK – 10 games, 13 goals. B+

Shoulders more than his share of the grunt work and has been fantastic in bursts. Increasingly played alongside Lynch close to goal and has been one to lift at crucial stages. Tackling and hardness at the contest is a stand-out. Prone to patchiness, but overall very good.

DANIEL KERR – 10 games, 4 goals. A-

Unbelievable in patches, but another player struggling for consistency. A power midfielder who is very creative going forward. The contested nature of his touches can limit their effect, and sometimes fails to take the first option. Huge contributions at crunch stages. 4 quarters needed.

MATT ROSA – 10 games, 2 goals. B

Devloping nicely and looks more composed than a 13-gamer. Still very much an outside-player, but that’s not a bad thing. Often gets the ball in space and can carry the ball. As such, needs to use the ball better when delivering to forwards. May be dropped come September for balance.

MARK SEABY – 10 games, 3 goals. C-

22 years old and still developing. Tap-work is very good, but doesn’t offer enough otherwise. Suspect skills at ground level, and hasn’t shown much when playing forward. Needs to start holding contested marks in order to cement a spot. Probably not in our best 22.

ROWAN JONES – 9 games, 7 goals. B-

An unfashionable player who has long been a favoured whipping-boy. Work-rate partially makes up for lack of pace and ordinary skills. Delivery to forwards needs to improve, but has managed to create opportunities for team-mates at crucial stages. Encouraging, but well short of top-tier.

CHRIS JUDD – 9 games, 12 goals. A+

The complete package. Tackling, contested ball and clearances from clinches are as much features of his game as the more spectacular elements. Amazing purple patch R5-7 when scoring power was added to his repertoire. Needs to convert more set shots. Superstar. Please stay fit.

MARK NICOSKI – 9 games, 4 goals. A-

Has come up a notch in 2006 and is developing into dynamic rebounding HBF. Great acceleration and a beautiful long kick. Probably doesn’t help out team-mates enough by chopping off passes. Can kick a long goal and is dangerous when in space. A wildcard who is yet to peak.

BEAU WATERS – 9 games, 2 goals. C

Disappointing. Yet to cement a spot and doesn’t appear to have an obvious role. Harsh criticisms of a 20 year-old. Hardness at the contest is outstanding, but needs to use the ball better and make smarter decisions. Looks strong overhead and could find his niche as a mid-sized forward.

BEN COUSINS – 8 games, 6 goals. A+

Unbelievably, remains under-rated. Clearly still the on-field leader. Non-stop run and willingness to take hits has been nothing short of inspirational. While many have struggled for 4-quarter outputs, Cousins has been relentless. Somehow finds an extra gear at crunch stages. Awesome.

ASHLEY SAMPI – 7 games, 7 goals. C-

The small forward walks a tightrope, and for the moment, Sampi looks to have taken a tumble. Although his hardness and tackling was still OK, lack of fitness limited his capacity to do the 1%ers which are part of his role. A return of 7.10 reflects a failure to take chances. Struggling, but not finished.

ASHLEY HANSEN – 6 games, 8 goals. C+

Another forward whose promisng form has been diluted by periods of frustration. Remains our best option at CHF and was a big factor in 4th quarter surges against Collingwood and Essendon. Works hard but has made some ordinary decisions, and probably hasn’t taken all his chances.

BRETT JONES – 4 games, 0 goals. C

Prospects have been hurt by the form of Jaymie Graham, who is smarter, more versatile and better-skilled. Can cough it up and make bad decisions. Still a solid depth-player who could hold down a spot in the event of injury, but his deficiencies mean his opportunities may be limited.

DREW BANFIELD – 3 games, 0 goals. B+

The old stager was welcomed back after 8 weeks on the sidelines. Definitely plugs a hole and his composure at the coalface means he’s still best 22. Isn’t getting any quicker and won’t break many games apart, but his steadying influence and work-rate are valuable assets. Very reliable.

SHANNON HURN – 3 games, 1 goal. C

Hard to assess a 3-gamer. Grade is pretty meaningless. Definitely showed enough to suggest a bright future, but may take some time to adjust to the tempo of AFL. Limited game-time reduced his impact, but it’s unclear what role he will fill. Very promising, but won’t be a regular this season.

JOSH WOODEN – 2 games, 1 goal. C+

Starved of opportunities despite being a pretty handy player. Still quick enough to have an impact and long kicking remains dangerous. Probably won’t get the chances he deserves on account of his age, but will do a job if selected. Would have played 100+ games at most clubs. Unlucky.

MATTHEW PRIDDIS – 1 game, 0 goals. B+

After a strong debut in remarkable game, Sideshow Priddis was sent back to the WAFL. Will take a lot of hard work to cement a spot in a stacked midfield, but looks to have the tools. Could definitely take over Fletcher’s role eventually, but needs to keep banging on the door until then.

NB: Players are graded based on what we need from them to be at our best. Andrew Embley is not on the same scale as Matthew Rosa.



Top report mate :thumbsu:

Vic Eagles Member
12 Jun 2006, 14:09
Thought Chad Fletcher has really stood up in these comeback games, reminding everyone that he is quality.

94_Eagles
12 Jun 2006, 14:15
Top report mate :thumbsu:

Did you really need to quote his whole post?

:rolleyes:

Magnum27
12 Jun 2006, 18:12
Did you really need to quote his whole post?

:rolleyes:


Yep :rolleyes:

Killer eagle
12 Jun 2006, 18:32
Top report Gunnar

Yeah good read Gunnar but I think you've rated Chicky too high. He has been very good in patches but overall has been dissapointing. Probably a C.

Pretty generous with Quinten too but I can forgive that :p

(McDougall 30 possesion and 19 marks in the WAFL breathing down the Unit's neck..)

Nah Chicky deserves every bit of the B+. Hes been bringing in some thumping tackles, and most of his games this year hes been looking like hes been giving it 120%. IMO hes been doing a fair bit, just not as much showing up on the stats.

hawkeye23
12 Jun 2006, 18:44
Agree with most of what you have there Gunnar.

hawkeye23
12 Jun 2006, 18:46
no, his disposal has been shocking week in week out. he does not give us an option going forward and he is not as hard at the footy compared to many of our midfield players. trade him.

Agree. The only thing consistent about Fletch for at least the past two seasons is his clanger count. I'm tired of my heart being in my mouth every time he gets his hands on the ball.

Lach72
12 Jun 2006, 19:14
Agree. The only thing consistent about Fletch for at least the past two seasons is his clanger count. I'm tired of my heart being in my mouth every time he gets his hands on the ball.
Byron Schammer board...
as we are finding out the hard way, it's no good getting a heap of ball if you do f all with it...
Beau Waters can be the same but at least he smashes people up

patsmith
12 Jun 2006, 19:21
Great read there, Gunnar.

I especially agree with the high rating given to Selwood. Has continued his great progress this year, and has now established himself in the best midfield around. I'm sure Stinger has played a big part in that.

daddy_4_eyes
12 Jun 2006, 19:23
Agree with the comments, disagree with the ratings. Too many A's when you consider how up and down most of our players have been.

patsmith
12 Jun 2006, 19:24
Byron Schammer board...
as we are finding out the hard way, it's no good getting a heap of ball if you do f all with it...
Beau Waters can be the same but at least he smashes people up

Exactly. I forgive Beau some (but not all) of his errors because he is hard at it and can put the big bumps on. Fletcher doesn't do this, hence why he copped a lot of criticism. It's good to see his start to find some form though.

patsmith
12 Jun 2006, 19:26
Agree with the comments, disagree with the ratings. Too many A's when you consider how up and down most of our players have been.

I'd say the A's were pretty justified, especially considering the note Gunnar left about the rating system. Which players don't you think deserved their rating?

Lach72
12 Jun 2006, 19:27
Exactly. I forgive Beau some (but not all) of his errors because he is hard at it and can put the big bumps on. Fletcher doesn't do this, hence why he copped a lot of criticism. It's good to see his start to find some form though.
Is he? I didn't see the game yesterday, but work with an office full of WCE members and to a man they bagged the bejesus out of Fletch...

patsmith
12 Jun 2006, 19:32
Is he? I didn't see the game yesterday, but work with an office full of WCE members and to a man they bagged the bejesus out of Fletch...

He was good the previous game, but let himself down a little this week. Compared to his first nine games of the season, he was alright yesterday.

Lach72
12 Jun 2006, 19:34
He was good the previous game, but let himself down a little this week. Compared to his first nine games of the season, he was alright yesterday.
Cheers

wce_all_da_way
12 Jun 2006, 19:49
Very interesting and agree with just about all of the ratings. Must of taken awhile so top effort:thumbsu:

daddy_4_eyes
12 Jun 2006, 19:52
I'd say the A's were pretty justified, especially considering the note Gunnar left about the rating system. Which players don't you think deserved their rating?

As I see it, Judd has been our best player, and got an A+. So anyone who gets an A should be near Judd's performances. Guys like Kerr, Cousins, Stinger and Hunter would be closer to B's. IMO, Judd, Cox, Selwood and Nico are the only one's who are A's in the team, the rest all have room for improvement and as such shouldn't be A.


But thats my opinion. Gunnar might have used other logic to rate the players.

Gunnar Longshanks
12 Jun 2006, 20:35
As I see it, Judd has been our best player, and got an A+. So anyone who gets an A should be near Judd's performances. Guys like Kerr, Cousins, Stinger and Hunter would be closer to B's.Bit rough on Cousins. He's been fantastic.

I understand your argument, but I don't think all players should be rated on the same scale.

What's the point in measuring Rosa and Judd on the same scale?

They need to be assessed according to different criteria.

I graded players based on what we need from them in order for the team to be at its best.

There is a greater burden on guys like Embley and Fletcher than there is on guys who have played only a handful of games.

There is a greater burden on Judd than there is on Nicoski and Selwood.

That is reflected in the gradings.

94_Eagles
12 Jun 2006, 20:54
Bit rough on Cousins. He's been fantastic.

I understand your argument, but I don't think all players should be rated on the same scale.

What's the point in measuring Rosa and Judd on the same scale?

They need to be assessed according to different criteria.

I graded players based on what we need from them in order for the team to be at its best.

There is a greater burden on guys like Embley and Fletcher than there is on guys who have played only a handful of games.

There is a greater burden on Judd than there is on Nicoski and Selwood.

That is reflected in the gradings.

And Judd still got an A+.

Goldenblue
12 Jun 2006, 21:52
Fantastic post GL!!!

Great work. :) :thumbsu:

Gunnar Longshanks
12 Jun 2006, 22:41
And Judd still got an A+.
Of course.

In 2006, he's been exceptionally good.

wce4premiership
13 Jun 2006, 00:03
Our midfield in order of best to worst:
Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Stenglein, Embley, Braun, Priddis, Fletcher, Waters
selwood above priddis and waters....and braun above embley

larrikin
13 Jun 2006, 02:56
On this year and that list I'd have Selwood at around the same point as Kerr - more consistent but not as outstanding

Biggie
13 Jun 2006, 16:00
GREAT post GL
Better than the mid season report they usually write in the West Australian!
Two thumbs up :thumbsu: :thumbsu:

nearlyblonde
13 Jun 2006, 18:52
Kudos Gunnar, especially on Chicky and Q!!!!