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Lonie_from_50
13 Jun 2006, 20:38
At 8-3 and in third spot on the ladder it is an amazing position when predicting the position 6 months back. We knew we were good, well better, but to be 8-3 is just fantastic. The Pies however did suffer their worst defeat in the season so far only 24 hours ago, so it may seem we are further away, but then again, looking at a whole, the Pies are having a tremendous season so far.

Coming off two consecutive grand final appearances in 2002-03, we managed to plunder to the surface of the AFL ladder, well, close enough, finishing bottom four both seasons in 2004-05, but a turn-around has occured. In our years to forget, no, not the grand final years, we had form and injury worries, but mainly the latter. This season, we have seen at some point(s) in time an injury-free list, with only Sean Rusling the main player injured, who was placed on the long-term injury list early pre-season, and a revoving Rhyce Shaw who came back after a month to VFL football, but we experienced a bulk of players in two weeks in Dane Swan, Brodie Holland, Nick Maxwell and Shane Wakelin along with an unbelievable head injury to Blake Caracella who was almost in a wheelchair for life. But, saying that, if the injuries were to come, atleast the break was available shortly afterwards.

Collingwood hasn't just showed that they are a side who can win games in stints, they are playing four quarters of football and winning well. We are a finals threat and as much as it pains people to say it, we are almost there. Collingwood has won overall every quarter of football over their opposition, with the second quarter being our worst at just overscoring, but our third quarters have been recognised. We have been fantastic in that period of time, scoring 34 more goals than our opponents this year in that quarter alone. When a side plays four quarters of footy, it is always pleasing and the Pies are doing that.

To the club. Our players have been solid and rotations have really helped our 'mediocre' midfield. More importantly, we have seen a young star rise, and potential quality footballers become quality footballers. Paul Licuria and Shane O'Bree survived a potential cut last season and have been managed well. Each is provided an impact, especially O'Bree who has continued his clearance work and finding the ball around the ground. A top ten player in disposals along with team-mate Ben Johnson who has lead the league in kicks for the majority of the season. Ben's first month was fantastic and he was awarded the ANZAC Medallist in front of 91,000 fans at the MCG, the first game at the newly developed arena since the Grand Final a year earlier. Nathan Buckley has been monitored well, and he pulled off his best game of the season, and maybe even his career by kicking 6 goals and having 30 touches against Brisbane in Round 10. He has been a good performer over the season, working either as a deep forward or playing half-forward or half-back. However, the players who have really shone are those of Dale Thomas, Dane Swan and Heath Shaw. One was under-rated by many when drafted at no.2 overall in last years draft, one was lucky to be at the side, and the last one had a good final month and a bit after making a long-awaited debut to be considered for season 2006. Dale Thomas has added excitement and flair to the side and he has become a favourite already. His hair earns himself the nickname 'Sparky' while he has earnt a ripe cheer from the crowd for his high flies in a short career, the first in his first game, the second infront of more than 90,000 people. Dane Swan has been warned by Mick as this being the make or break season after inconsistent career and off-field incidents, and he has taken great advantage of that talk. He has become the biggest impact player in the league according to statistics. Averaging 24 touches, playing 67% game time, he has been a great contributor. Not only in the midfield, but he has slotted through 15 goals. Heath Shaw has been a stand-out, becoming the second Magpie to get a NAB Rising Star award behind Dale Thomas. Heath has been part of a terrific backline. He has been our link player and despite some shaky work by him, he has been consistent each week, averaging 23 touches a game. It all started for 'Heater' when he played his first game of the season against Hawthorn as a late inclusion. He had 30 touches in wet and windy conditions only 24 hours earlier for Williamstown, and was a solid contributor in his game in the black and white, and hasn't missed a game since.

Other players who have been stand-outs are Josh Fraser, who is standing up week by week in the ruck, showing why he is the most valuable player at the club when fit. Anthony Rocca is up there in the race for the Coleman, with 35 goals, playing full-forward allowing Chris Tarrant to roam as a leading player, who has been good at most times, but dissappoining in the other times. Small forwards Leon Davis and Alan Didak have been pleasing, with Davis kicking 22 goals, and Didak kicking 20 goals, as much as he has helped assist in, number one in the league for goal assists. Didak, a first-round draft pick has really come of age, gaining consistency, the only thing he needed to become All-Australian material. The back-bone in defence Simon Prestigiacomo has been simply outstanding, on his way to a best season at the club, and is playing in his 11th season. James Clement has been as always the general while Nick Maxwell has been great as anticipated. He puts his head over the ball and goes in at every contest and that is what counts. Tarkyn Lockyer and Ryan Lonie have each been very servicable and improved their game.

It should be a very interesting second half to season 2006, and hopefully we can see September for the first time in two years.

BEST WIN
R10: Collingwood 16.13 (109) d Brisbane Lions 12.11 (83) at MCG
WORST LOSS
R11: Collingwood 14.10 (94) d by Melbourne 22.9 (141)

TOP 6
1. Alan Didak
2. Dane Swan
3. Simon Prestigiacomo
4. Ben Johnson
5. Anthony Rocca
6. Josh Fraser

MOST IMPROVED
1. Dane Swan
2. Heath Shaw

NEEDS TO LIFT
1. Jason Cloke
2. Chris Egan

STATS DEPARTMENT
Played every game: Leon Davis, Ryan Lonie, Alan Didak, James Clement, Shane O'Bree, Anthony Rocca, Tarkyn Lockyer, Josh Fraser, Ben Johnson
Players used: 33
Most gametime: Anthony Rocca (1217), Ryan Lonie (1209), Tarkyn Lockyer (1203)

Goals: Anthony Rocca (35), Leon Davis (22), Chris Tarrant (21), Alan Didak (20), Nathan Buckley (15), Dane Swan (15)
Behinds: Anthony Rocca (13), Josh Fraser (13), Chris Tarrant (13)
Inside 50's Ben Johnson (65), Alan Didak (55), Nathan Buckley (39)
Kicks: Ben Johnson (188), Heath Shaw (162), Paul Licuria (159)
Handballs: Shane O'Bree (141), Paul Licuria (108), Dane Swan (97)
Disposals: Paul Licuria (267), Shane O'Bree (263), Ben Johnson (262)
Marks: Heath Shaw (89), Josh Fraser (87), Paul Licuria (79)
Clearances: Shane O'Bree (58), Dane Swan (31), Josh Fraser (28)
Clangers: Ben Johnson (33), Shane O'Bree (32), Alan Didak (29)
Tackles: Shane O'Bree (38), Ryan Lonie (35), Paul Licuria (30)
Hitouts: Josh Fraser (150), Guy Richards (69), Anthony Rocca (10)

goalpie
13 Jun 2006, 20:43
Heath Shaw seems to be going well, leading mark taker.

Licuria being close to being cut.:confused:

Hadders
13 Jun 2006, 21:10
very comprehensive and a good summary of the season so far.

nice work lonie.

Kaitsey
13 Jun 2006, 21:18
yeah i know when u look at the loss the the dees you start to beleive that the pies arent that good. but when u look at it from an 8-3 POV they've improved outa site! good job guys.

tomthetiger
13 Jun 2006, 21:55
Wanna do one for Richmond Lonie? :D jk.

Armageddon
13 Jun 2006, 22:28
The needs to lift column I think Egan is a little unfair compared to someone like a Chad Morrison but I guess you could fit him in the 'gone' column.

Great work Lonie, excellent summary and the Pies are looking good.

Lonie_from_50
13 Jun 2006, 22:33
Wanna do one for Richmond Lonie? :D jk.

I don't watch half the amount of football I watched last year I am afraid, and I am only doing the Collingwood statistics this season, and am focused on only Collingwood this year (and Bulldogs, i am a member through uni :D)

Lonie_from_50
13 Jun 2006, 22:34
Heath Shaw seems to be going well, leading mark taker.

Licuria being close to being cut.:confused:

Let's just say Licuria was in the group that O'Bree and Woewodin headed last year, so therefore we never know. O'Bree it directly relates to I guess.

Moss Rocket
13 Jun 2006, 22:34
Ripper summary.

I think Clement deserves top 6. I know it is easier to point out lesser players who are playing well, but no way the number 1 or 2 defender in the league cant make top 6 at club level.

Lonie_from_50
13 Jun 2006, 22:36
The needs to lift column I think Egan is a little unfair compared to someone like a Chad Morrison but I guess you could fit him in the 'gone' column.

Great work Lonie, excellent summary and the Pies are looking good.

GONE AT SEASONS END
1. Brent Hall
2. Tristen Walker

3. Shane Wakelin

;)

Pie 4 Life
13 Jun 2006, 22:54
Good job again Mike. :thumbsu:

Nesian
13 Jun 2006, 23:09
Good read LF50, keep it up!!! I pretty much agree with all of that. Very accurate. Lets hope we have a great 2nd half as I am sure we will.

Coin_Toss
14 Jun 2006, 08:46
GONE AT SEASONS END
1. Brent Hall
2. Tristen Walker

3. Shane Wakelin

;)

Great work as per usual, but...

Malthouse won't get rid of Walker. Mick will keep him for another year.
What about Chad Morrison (delisted) and Jason Cloke (traded)?

goalpie
14 Jun 2006, 08:47
Yes!

Lonie_from_50
14 Jun 2006, 10:23
Great work as per usual, but...

Malthouse won't get rid of Walker. Mick will keep him for another year.
What about Chad Morrison (delisted) and Jason Cloke (traded)?

The fact that Morrison is only 27, and Mick obviously likes the guy, it may be hard for him to delist him. He didn't have a go at Chad Morrison after the game on Monday from what I heard, and in the end, I guess there were worse on the ground, Morrison just needs to be able to play on a player in the forward line. He did a job against Brisbane, I think we are all too critical on Chad. He had a bad game when the team had a shocker, so maybe we can see he is a front runner, and probably rightfully so.

Jason Cloke, well, Mick hates him, but he is still in the need to lift column. Like last year, C1 is playing great consistent footy at Williamstown but never does anything at AFL Level. Definate trade bait, but probably won't delist if not snapped up in a deal, considering Walker and Hall IMO will be gone.

MarkT
14 Jun 2006, 10:38
GONE AT SEASONS END
1. Brent Hall
2. Tristen Walker

3. Shane WakelinI think Walker and Hall are gone. Wakelin I have a feeling will squeeze another year out of himself. His form is good enough and a few things he’s said make me think he’ll go on. Morrison would be a prime candidate to go so that’s 3 (4 with Wakelin) and I suspect we’ll cut 5 or 6 with Harry to be promoted. Jason Cloke has his papers stamped by the look of things. Think we need to trade for a ruckman so a few others should be likely trade candidates but I suspect we won’t so we will just delist the above 4 plus 1 more.

Lonie_from_50
14 Jun 2006, 10:45
Guy Richards may go, good tap ruckman but then again, has been at the club for BK years and played half the amount of footy the great man did.

loki04
14 Jun 2006, 11:38
I think Walker and Hall are gone. Wakelin I have a feeling will squeeze another year out of himself. His form is good enough and a few things he’s said make me think he’ll go on. Morrison would be a prime candidate to go so that’s 3 (4 with Wakelin) and I suspect we’ll cut 5 or 6 with Harry to be promoted. Jason Cloke has his papers stamped by the look of things. Think we need to trade for a ruckman so a few others should be likely trade candidates but I suspect we won’t so we will just delist the above 4 plus 1 more.

Burnsy is another who may retire at years end, he's playing well and is a burst player now but it may be the right time at the end of this season to say fairwell.

Delist : Hall , Walker , Morrison (if we cant trade him).

Retire : Wakelin? , Burns?

Trade : C1 - Richmond for a 3rd rounder (he will want to leave anyway just like last year he asked to be traded and we talked him into staying), Morrison - Carlton for a 4th round pick.

jonesy86
14 Jun 2006, 14:19
great stuff LF50, a few weeks ago i heard a stat that didak and tarrant lead the league in score assists is there anywhere that score assist stats are published?

tomthetiger
14 Jun 2006, 14:41
Burnsy is another who may retire at years end, he's playing well and is a burst player now but it may be the right time at the end of this season to say fairwell.

Delist : Hall , Walker , Morrison (if we cant trade him).

Retire : Wakelin? , Burns?

Trade : C1 - Richmond for a 3rd rounder (he will want to leave anyway just like last year he asked to be traded and we talked him into staying), Morrison - Carlton for a 4th round pick.

DONT YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!

Coin_Toss
14 Jun 2006, 14:50
Burnsy is another who may retire at years end, he's playing well and is a burst player now but it may be the right time at the end of this season to say fairwell.

Delist : Hall , Walker , Morrison (if we cant trade him).

Retire : Wakelin? , Burns?

Trade : C1 - Richmond for a 3rd rounder (he will want to leave anyway just like last year he asked to be traded and we talked him into staying), Morrison - Carlton for a 4th round pick.

Rest assured, Burns has easily got another year left in him. He is a club champion and we shouldn't force him to pull the pin.
Wakes is in good form too. He could be around for another year.

I was thinking, for Jason Cloke, a 2nd rounder from Essendon. But I can see him heading down the road, to Punt Road.
No one will do a deal for Morrison, not even Carlton. He's not good enough.

MarkT
14 Jun 2006, 14:55
Burnsy is another who may retire at years end, he's playing well and is a burst player now but it may be the right time at the end of this season to say fairwell.Unfortunately I think you might be right.

As for the trades, I doubt we'd get a trade for Morrison or Jason. If a club wanted them they draft or PSD them. If we couldn't get a price for Sav ( hard to believe?) we have no chance with those 2.

Peter Sidorkiewicz
14 Jun 2006, 14:59
O'Bree should be in top 6 at mid-season. He would of been top 3 if not for a quite last couple of weeks.

dids4
14 Jun 2006, 15:28
Goals: Anthony Rocca (35), Leon Davis (22), Chris Tarrant (21), Alan Didak (20), Nathan Buckley (15), Dane Swan (15)
Behinds: Anthony Rocca (13), Josh Fraser (13), Chris Tarrant (13)
Inside 50's Ben Johnson (65), Alan Didak (55), Nathan Buckley (39)
Kicks: Ben Johnson (188), Heath Shaw (162), Paul Licuria (159)
Handballs: Shane O'Bree (141), Paul Licuria (108), Dane Swan (97)
Disposals: Paul Licuria (267), Shane O'Bree (263), Ben Johnson (262)
Marks: Heath Shaw (89), Josh Fraser (87), Paul Licuria (79)
Clearances: Shane O'Bree (58), Dane Swan (31), Josh Fraser (28)
Clangers: Ben Johnson (33), Shane O'Bree (32), Alan Didak (29)
Tackles: Shane O'Bree (38), Ryan Lonie (35), Paul Licuria (30)
Hitouts: Josh Fraser (150), Guy Richards (69), Anthony Rocca (10)

And some people still bag him.... :rolleyes:


And great work LF50. :thumbsu:

magpies42
14 Jun 2006, 16:11
i am very reluctant to get rid of athletic big men!
1. coz i know they take time to come on
2. because they are rare.

having said that i think the coaches are best able to judge if there is any future for those 2.
morrison -out
Jason cloke - out (only for a pick of sum kind)
Rowe -trade
i have a feeling one of burnsy or wakes will retire.
Perhaps trade richards to the kangas they love injury prone players that are out of form

Drizt
14 Jun 2006, 17:15
And some people still bag him.... :rolleyes:
And great work LF50. :thumbsu:

You neglected to HIGHLIGHT that he is second in clangers...

theres no questioning he gets a lot of the ball, but to see him turn it over as often as he does is unforgivable.

dids4
14 Jun 2006, 17:43
You neglected to HIGHLIGHT that he is second in clangers...

theres no questioning he gets a lot of the ball, but to see him turn it over as often as he does is unforgivable.

Second in clangers? So what? he gets that bloody muhc of it that of course there will be more errors than other players.

See how many clearances he has? I'd KILL to see where we would be without him this year. Seriously, he is by far and away the most underrated player on our list.

He is a gem.

magpies42
14 Jun 2006, 18:06
Second in clangers? So what? he gets that bloody muhc of it that of course there will be more errors than other players.

See how many clearances he has? I'd KILL to see where we would be without him this year. Seriously, he is by far and away the most underrated player on our list.

He is a gem.
im assuming that you are talking about obree, obree is neither overated or underrated! he works hard gets the ball turns it over more often then not but also gets it back more often then not! He definetly deserves are place in our average midfield, and if it werent for him we wouldnt be where we are now!

FIGJAM
14 Jun 2006, 18:29
I'd KILL to see where we would be without him this year.
Jeez...I'd kill to shag Kate Moss, but whatever takes your fancy!!

MarkT
14 Jun 2006, 18:55
And some people still bag him.... :rolleyes:He’s had a very good year. Sell now while the price is high and the draft is deep.You neglected to HIGHLIGHT that he is second in clangers...

theres no questioning he gets a lot of the ball, but to see him turn it over as often as he does is unforgivable.What doesn’t get measure is something that I have seen an improvement in this year but still bothers me to an extent. When O’Bree gets the ball he has a tendency to stop and prop or run an arc before kicking. I always assume it is due to a lack of real pace. His disposal is ordinary which is another issue but the fact he too often stops the run of the play and leads to forward line congestion and confusion is an immeasurable negative.

Timmy from Thomastown
14 Jun 2006, 18:58
Of those under the pump:

Richards: - still deserves another year, but the second half of 2006 will decide his fate
J Cloke - just a VFL player. Not even playing as well as he did last year. O'Brien and Maxwell have passed him by, and so too will John Anthony. GONE.
C Cloke - will have another year at Collingwood. 2007 will be make or break.
Lonie - in career best form. Unfortunately his career best form isnt that hot. Definite trade bait. His future will be tested when we start losing games and senior players like him are required to stand up. Yes Ryan, you are a senior player.
Wakelin - probably time to go.
Burns - its up to him but form over the past month suggests he's got another year.
Buckley - should play on but sometimes form fades quickly and irreversably, so the second half of the season will tell the story
Fanning - something has to change in our ruck division. One of Fanning Richards or C Cloke will move on, probably Fanning.
Hall - gone
Walker - gone
Morrison - under the pump. Not over yet for him but he shoudl be delisted IMO
Caracella - one year contract
Egan - he's turned into a project player as Gotch tries to turn him into a sweeping defender. Definite keeper
Rowe - does not have the skills, may be traded
Davies - keep
Yakka - keep
Davis - has saved his career this season. Keep.

MarkT
14 Jun 2006, 19:02
Davis is one player who I have had a change of mind on. He has improved his week to week and minute by minute consistency no end. He also makes fewer errors. Been a long time coming but he may have finally got the point where he is earning his keep.