The Worlds best one day player [Archive]

blurton

16 Jan 2002, 16:28

I'm going to think about this a bit longer however, a name that springs to mind for many reasons is Jonty Rhodes. He bats well, never seems to get bogged down, his fielding is better that anyone, his running between wickets is the quickest and best, and he is genuinely enthusiastic cricketer. It is no coincidence that South Africa's turn around in form has coincided with Jonty joining the team.

gPhonque

16 Jan 2002, 16:33

Dean Jones.

16 Jan 2002, 16:34

nice choice if there were more choices he was in as well as Ponting.

16 Jan 2002, 16:48

Originally posted by gPhonque
Dean Jones.

sorry mate has to be current :(

Dipper

16 Jan 2002, 20:59

Afridi for Pakistan goes absolutely off when he bats.He often scores big at better a run a ball & he bowls pretty decent wrist spin as well.

The new guy for India Sehwag, who allt eh trouble was about in Sout Africa could turn out to be another really quick scorer as well.

dogboy23

16 Jan 2002, 21:00

Originally posted by blueworms

sorry mate has to be current :( The great man would still be playing if it wasnt for the damn selectors:rolleyes: :mad: :o

Player

16 Jan 2002, 21:09

Nathan Astle

Probably the most grossly underrated player in OD international cricket today.

Batting average in the mid 30s. 4,000+ runs, 11 OD centuries. Good if not great fielder.

Has always opened for an undermanned batting order, characterised that during his entire career he has never opened with a stable partner. In effect he has both opening roles, the steady anchor, and the aggressive attacker.

The fact is when Astle plays well NZ wins, when he fails NZ loses.

Who else is expected to open the batting while accelerating the run rate in the early overs, bowl 10 accurate overs against batsman who are usually well set, and field in close in a catching position.

The_Flying_Egg

16 Jan 2002, 23:44

Bevo

SeinDude

17 Jan 2002, 09:45

I'm with The Flying Egg on this one, Michael Bevan is the best one-day player playing at the moment.

The reason for this is that he has the ability to control the tempo of the innings, and also has the ability to guide his team chasing a total. Bevan can find the gaps in the last few overs, and also bat effectively with the tail. He is a fast runner between the wickets & in the field, and bowls his left arm wrist spin which adds variety to the bowling.

Who will ever forget the match when Australia were down the barrel at 6 for 38 chasing 160 against the West Indies at the SCG a few years ago, but Michael Bevan worked the strike & the gaps and then hit the 4 off the last ball to win us the match. :):)

SeinDude

topdon

17 Jan 2002, 10:14

Originally posted by SeinDude
I'm with The Flying Egg on this one, Michael Bevan is the best one-day player playing at the moment.

IMO that is utter rubbish. Beven being the best one-day player in the world is a total and utter fallacy. Yes .. he is a good one day batsman ... but certainly not the best.

I would rate Shaun Pollock as the best one day player. In the shorter form of the game ... his line and length are impeccable.

I agree with bluecrow ... Pollock over Kallis. :)

topdon

17 Jan 2002, 10:16

Cannot believe Bevan is leading. Too many people actually believe the media hype about this guy. Yes he did save Australia from defeat a couple of times years ago ... but what has he done since? People still rating him on past glories i'd imagine :rolleyes:

Macca19

17 Jan 2002, 10:28

Pies rock

17 Jan 2002, 10:35

Originally posted by Macca19

Exactly...pity hes done sweet FA for the past 2-3 years.

Obviously didn't see his amazing few innings in India when he won us the series over there. Or maybe his stunning effort for the World XI against the Asian XI. He hit 173* off I think it was 155 balls, it was without doubt the best innings I've ever seen, had everything. Bevvo is still a gun, if he plays today, I'm sure he'll make u eat ur words...

SeinDude

17 Jan 2002, 10:43

Pies Rock,

I saw those innings in India and also that Asia vs Rest of the World match where ROW needed 321 to win and Bevan made 183 not out off about 135 balls. The match went down to the last ball where Bevan needed a 6 to win the game and he hit a 4. That was the best one-day innings I've ever seen too.

The reason he didn't do much last summer was that Zimbabwe & West Indies rarely made enough runs or take enough wickets for Bevan to be a huge factor in the series!!

SeinDude

Catman

17 Jan 2002, 12:00

Originally posted by dogboy23
The great man would still be playing if it wasnt for the damn selectors:rolleyes: :mad: :o

Your damn right Dogboy.

BRING BACK DEANO!!!!

Catman

17 Jan 2002, 12:07

Originally posted by SeinDude
The reason for this is that he has the ability to control the tempo of the innings, and also has the ability to guide his team chasing a total. Bevan can find the gaps in the last few overs, and also bat effectively with the tail. He is a fast runner between the wickets & in the field, and bowls his left arm wrist spin which adds variety to the bowling.

Well so far, Bevan has slowed the tempo down instead of controlling it. Our run rate dropped dramatically when he was batting, on Sunday, and all he did was hog the strike from Ricky Ponting (who was in great form) and put the pressure right back onto Australia, taking it right off Sth Africa.

His bowling is crap and his fielding isn't much better.

Sorry Seindude, but this is how I feel about him.

Dippers Donuts

17 Jan 2002, 20:59

Actually I'm a big fan of the New Zealander Chris Harris.

Very underrated player, I would certainly place him in my top half dozen players in the one day game.

jod23

18 Jan 2002, 01:51

I went with Glen McGrath....absolutely brilliant bowler. His line and length never stray and while not being overly quick gets wickets. I cant really remember a time when McGrath has gone for lots of runs in an ODI.

McGrath is no doubt the best fast bowler in the world and he proves that by continuing to the strike bowler in australias lineup despite hefty competition from Lee and Gillespie.

kretchy

18 Jan 2002, 06:15

For me it was hard to go past Sachin Tendulkar for his sheer brillance with the bat.

McGrath is the best bowler because he is so dificult to get away to the boundary as well as being a wicket taker.

Bloodstained Angel

18 Jan 2002, 06:44

Chris Harris

Extremely effective player with bat and ball, is also a surprisingly athletic fielder.

Unfashiobnable player from an unfashionable cricketing country - but its absolutely no surprise at all he has picked up 2 MotM so far in the current VB series.

Bevan may have been good once - but I'm afraid he has lost it bigtime nowadays.

Did you see his performance last night ? Was on the verge of taking the game by the scruff of the neck, then lamely nicks a slow medium off-cutter straight down 1st slips throat.

As far as I'm concerned, thats Bevan all over.

He's a loser :rolleyes:

SeinDude

18 Jan 2002, 07:54

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel

Bevan may have been good once - but I'm afraid he has lost it bigtime nowadays.

Did you see his performance last night ? Was on the verge of taking the game by the scruff of the neck, then lamely nicks a slow medium off-cutter straight down 1st slips throat.

As far as I'm concerned, thats Bevan all over.

He's a loser :rolleyes:

Bloodstained Angel,

Yes, I agree about last night. While Bevan was still at the crease I was extremely confident we would win the match regardless of what happened at the other end. It was a great piece of attacking captaincy from Chris Cairns to have a 1st slip in for a man who was on 66 & well set, & I don't think Bevan realised he was there when he played the shot.

I agree that Chris Harris is right up there in the best one-day players playing at the moment. I've been very impressed with his performances & also his impact on the Kiwis.

SeinDude

Santos L Helper

18 Jan 2002, 08:13

Originally posted by SeinDude

Bloodstained Angel,

Yes, I agree about last night. While Bevan was still at the crease I was extremely confident we would win the match regardless of what happened at the other end. It was a great piece of attacking captaincy from Chris Cairns to have a 1st slip in for a man who was on 66 & well set, & I don't think Bevan realised he was there when he played the shot.

SeinDude

That proves how crap Bevan is. How the hell can an internatonal player not know a first slip is in place? It is just a basic part of the game that even parkland cricketers know.

ps. no offence to any parkland cricketers out there because I know that you'd be more alert than Bevan was last night.

Dippers Donuts

18 Jan 2002, 10:12

I can't believe the way some of you guys are canning Bevan!!
Unbelievable..armchair experts or what!!

He averages 56 in ODI's for godsake!! Best in the world. There are those who say his average is inflated because of the high proportion of not outs he has. If you look at it the other way maybe if he didn't run out of partners a lot of those 30 and 40 not outs could have resulted in scores of 70 or 80 odd.

His strike rate is also very good too, high 70's I think.

I think it was Seindude who made the good point that in the last couple of years we have had very little opposition in the one day arena, thus he hasn't really had much of a chance to dominate.

He did have the game top score last night you know!!

Santos L Helper

18 Jan 2002, 10:28

Originally posted by Dippers Donuts
I can't believe the way some of you guys are canning Bevan!!
Unbelievable..armchair experts or what!!

He averages 56 in ODI's for godsake!! Best in the world. There are those who say his average is inflated because of the high proportion of not outs he has. If you look at it the other way maybe if he didn't run out of partners a lot of those 30 and 40 not outs could have resulted in scores of 70 or 80 odd.

His strike rate is also very good too, high 70's I think.

I think it was Seindude who made the good point that in the last couple of years we have had very little opposition in the one day arena, thus he hasn't really had much of a chance to dominate.

He did have the game top score last night you know!!

Armchair expert? I, like some others at this board, have played cricket at grade and state level and my opinion is based on some experience and knowledge of the game. Bevan was a good one day player and may have some good innings left in him, but at the moment he looks all at sea. I'm not going to pander to those who believe that past glories should preclude you from any criticism what so ever. I have never been a real fan of Bevan and I'm stating my opinion that, at the moment, I think he's terrible.
Dipper, why don't you tell me how I'm wrong in criticising him for not knowing that a first slip is in place after he's been out there long enough to make 60 odd? Seems like simple cricket basics to me, but I'll admit my mistake if I'm proved to be overly critical.:)

Dippers Donuts

18 Jan 2002, 10:48

Originally posted by Santos L Helper

Armchair expert? I, like some others at this board, have played cricket at grade and state level and my opinion is based on some experience and knowledge of the game. Bevan was a good one day player and may have some good innings left in him, but at the moment he looks all at sea. I'm not going to pander to those who believe that past glories should preclude you from any criticism what so ever. I have never been a real fan of Bevan and I'm stating my opinion that, at the moment, I think he's terrible.
Dipper, why don't you tell me how I'm wrong in criticising him for not knowing that a first slip is in place after he's been out there long enough to make 60 odd? Seems like simple cricket basics to me, but I'll admit my mistake if I'm proved to be overly critical.:)

Each to his own I suppose santos, I am not saying that past glories precludes anyone from criticism at all; in the case of Bevan I don't think it's justified thats all. IMO there at least half dozen players more worthy of criticism than Bevan at the moment (Waughs x2, Ponting, Warne, Lee,Harvey etc)

Incidentally, where has it been written (or admitted to by Bevan himself for that matter) that Bevan did not know there was a slip in place when he was dismissed? Schoolboy stuff if true but I have seen no mention of this in any of the press I have seen this morning.

Santos L Helper

18 Jan 2002, 11:08

Originally posted by Dippers Donuts

Each to his own I suppose santos, I am not saying that past glories precludes anyone from criticism at all; in the case of Bevan I don't think it's justified thats all. IMO there at least half dozen players more worthy of criticism than Bevan at the moment (Waughs x2, Ponting, Warne, Lee,Harvey etc)

Incidentally, where has it been written (or admitted to by Bevan himself for that matter) that Bevan did not know there was a slip in place when he was dismissed? Schoolboy stuff if true but I have seen no mention of this in any of the press I have seen this morning.

All those players are under threat, but we're talking about Bevan so i vented about him. I'll get to those other chumps soon.

Bevan will never admit that, and i've never read a player admit that before. What was mentioned here was that it seemed that Bevan just guided it to first slip. It makes it even worse if he did know one was there.

Dippers Donuts

18 Jan 2002, 11:15

Originally posted by Santos L Helper

Bevan will never admit that, and i've never read a player admit that before. What was mentioned here was that it seemed that Bevan just guided it to first slip. It makes it even worse if he did know one was there.

Damned if he did, damned if he didn't huh:p

Let's just say he made a mistake regardless of intent...

Wouldn't be the first time its happened...

Santos L Helper

18 Jan 2002, 11:35

Originally posted by Dippers Donuts

Damned if he did, damned if he didn't huh:p

Let's just say he made a mistake regardless of intent...

Wouldn't be the first time its happened...

Agreed!! Bevan seems to be making too many mistakes this season.;)

SeinDude

18 Jan 2002, 11:36

Dippers Donuts,

I think too many people "hit the panic button" as soon as something starts to go wrong with a player & say, right he's gone, not up to it, etc etc.. The same thing is happening with Ian Harvey on the other thread.

As for Bevan, he had been out of form I'll admit that, but started to show what he can do last night until he lost concentration for a moment, which can happen to anyone... even the great Tendulkar!! Lets hope Michael Bevan can kick on from this innings & have a great series. :):)

SeinDude

Dan26

18 Jan 2002, 22:54

Originally posted by topdon
Cannot believe Bevan is leading. Too many people actually believe the media hype about this guy. Yes he did save Australia from defeat a couple of times years ago ... but what has he done since? People still rating him on past glories i'd imagine :rolleyes:

The guy is averaging 57 (yes 57) in one day cricket!! That is phenomenal, given that more risks need to be taken in limited overs cricket. How many other players have a one-day average higher than their test average? I can't think of any!

His strike rate is about 80 runs per every 100 balls, and he doesn't take unnecessary risks, (yet still scores heavily)

He is the best one-day batsman in the world. It's not hype. Look at his performances. Fifty-***** seven! That's the equivalent of averaging 70 in test cricket.

Catman

18 Jan 2002, 23:37

Originally posted by Dippers Donuts
Actually I'm a big fan of the New Zealander Chris Harris.

Very underrated player, I would certainly place him in my top half dozen players in the one day game.

I agree, he's being highly impressive in all 3 games so far. He has saved New Zealand's arse twice already and losing him will be a blow for them.

Catman

18 Jan 2002, 23:42

Originally posted by Dippers Donuts
He did have the game top score last night you know!!

So? We still lost. He went out cheaply at a crucial stage and blew it once again.

Darky

20 Jan 2002, 01:24

Originally posted by Catman

So? We still lost. He went out cheaply at a crucial stage and blew it once again.

Pretty poor to criticise Bevan for this, when the batsmen around him "went out cheaply at a crucial stage" too, but with less runs to their name.

Blew it when on 66?

How about S.Waugh blowing it on 9 and Harvey blowing it on 5 or 6?

Darky

20 Jan 2002, 01:33

BTW, I reckon Sanath Jayasuriya is pretty handy with both bat and ball.

The Hitman

20 Jan 2002, 07:29

Originally posted by Darky
BTW, I reckon Sanath Jayasuriya is pretty handy with both bat and ball.

He'd be very bloody close.

Personally, you cannot define one as 'the best'. So IK'm gonna be a fence sitter, and name a group. ;)

Ricky Ponting
Adam Gilchrist
Chris Harris
Chris Cairns
Shaun Pollock
Gary Kirsten
Sanath Jayasuriya
Sachan Tandulkar
Shahid Afridi

If you pressed me, I'd pick Cairns.

The Hitman

Darky

20 Jan 2002, 18:20

Originally posted by The Hitman

If you pressed me, I'd pick Cairns.

If I pressed you, your rectum would prolapse.

iceman

20 Jan 2002, 21:46

For me it would have to be Bevan or Harris

Bevan because he consistently scores runs and although doesnt smash the ball around the park, he just keeps on going ;)

And with Harris, he has been mighty impressing this series with both bat and ball.... he'd be high on my list at the moment

SeinDude

29 Jan 2002, 20:41

THAT IS WHY MICHAEL BEVAN IS THE BEST ONE-DAY PLAYER CURRENTLY PLAYING THE GAME AND IF YOU'RE STILL IN DOUBT, WATCH A REPLAY OF HIS INNINGS TONIGHT!!!

YOU LITTLE BEAUTY MICHAEL BEVAN... WHAT A PLAYER!!! :):):)

SeinDude

Lethal

29 Jan 2002, 20:43