View Full Version : What would you like to see happen to Kevin Sheedy?
Wolfpac
14 Jun 2006, 20:57
Kevin Sheedy has been around for years (and Years) and is still coaching. And after all of these years he is really under the pump. He has never been in this position. What would you like to see happen to Kevin Sheedy? Personally, I would love to see Sheedy coach another 5-6 years and beat Jock McHale's league record of 714 games.
What about the rest of you guys?
He's building another team, let him finish
We will see what happens next year. If things turn around and we make an improvement then i am only too happy to see him stay.
If we have another average year then the pressure will be on.
windyhill
14 Jun 2006, 21:45
I`m beyond caring. This debate has been going for 15 or so years now. Well over it me.
He's building another team, let him finish
At the start of the year he wasnt building another team. He totally misread the capabilities of our list. He should be allowed to complete his contract with the dignity he deserves and NOT be reappointed. I think it is his job to leave a young and talented list to his successor just like Billy Stephens and Barry Davis left for him.
djharps
14 Jun 2006, 22:12
loose some weight
red+black
14 Jun 2006, 22:48
At the start of the year he wasnt building another team. He totally misread the capabilities of our list. He should be allowed to complete his contract with the dignity he deserves and NOT be reappointed.
Agreed. And he should be told as much over the off season.
Otherwise, he will demand to break Jock's record which would see him till the end of 2011, and I think enough's enough already.
Philzsay
14 Jun 2006, 23:00
He has a contract until the end of next year. Why do we need to make a decision one and a half years before then? Make the decision at the end of next year.
red+black
14 Jun 2006, 23:10
He has a contract until the end of next year. Why do we need to make a decision one and a half years before then? Make the decision at the end of next year.
Yeah what a great idea. Wait until the incumbent is out of contract, and if they decide to not renew, where does that put the club with respect to finding a new coach?
If the club does wait that long, on what grounds should Sheedy be kept? If we make finals, if we improve on this year, if he asks nicely? There must be some criteria to keep him that doesn't relate to the period 1981-85, but is based on performance over the period 2005-07.
Probably won't happen but i would like to see him get the 1000 games played/coached
red+black
14 Jun 2006, 23:59
Probably won't happen but i would like to see him get the 1000 games played/coached
Great :rolleyes: That means he'll be around until Round 6, 2013 unless we make 6 finals before then (no guarantee) and he gets the thou late in 2012.
At the start of the year he wasnt building another team. He totally misread the capabilities of our list. He should be allowed to complete his contract with the dignity he deserves and NOT be reappointed. I think it is his job to leave a young and talented list to his successor just like Billy Stephens and Barry Davis left for him.
He was, he's building a new era around Monfries, Stanton, Lovett, Bradley, Ryder, L-Murray, Watson, Slattery, Dyson etc
don4eva
15 Jun 2006, 12:27
At the start of the year he wasnt building another team. He totally misread the capabilities of our list. He should be allowed to complete his contract with the dignity he deserves and NOT be reappointed. I think it is his job to leave a young and talented list to his successor just like Billy Stephens and Barry Davis left for him.
I agree with this part, but what coach would have read the list correctly at the start of the season? In a recent press conference, Sheedy has said that there are players that you don't expect to go down (Lloyd, Ramanauskas) which can virtually ruin the whole structure of a team. Essendon were going very well until Lloyd went down. And in my view, it was a blessing in disguise because the club has realised it needs to build depth, better sooner than later too.
Wait and see how Sheedy has progressed the team in the next year or so then make a judgement.
Philzsay
15 Jun 2006, 15:27
Yeah what a great idea. Wait until the incumbent is out of contract, and if they decide to not renew, where does that put the club with respect to finding a new coach?
If the club does wait that long, on what grounds should Sheedy be kept? If we make finals, if we improve on this year, if he asks nicely? There must be some criteria to keep him that doesn't relate to the period 1981-85, but is based on performance over the period 2005-07.
Yes I agree there must be some criteria on whether or not to reappoint Sheedy as coach for beyond 2007. That will be up the board of directors to decide upon.
You have just stated that in your opinion it should be based on performance in the period 2005 to 2007. Fair enough, that is reasonable. However, the period of 2005 to 2007 is only 50% complete. You have already made a decision not to reappoint him for 08 and beyond. You have based your decision on 50% of the available information and time period. I have not made a decision on what to do with Sheeds for 08 and beyond. I simply think it would be more prudent to make a decision towards the end of the current contract, not in the middle. I think a more responsible decision would be reached in the later part of next season rather than panicing and making a rash decision a season and a half beforehand just because things don't look too rosey at the moment.
I do not think that waiting for the board to make a decision until the later part of next season will greatly affect Essendon's ability to appoint a new coach if it decides to go that way. There are a number of eligible coaches waiting in the wings. No club will realistically stop any of their assistant coaches from taking a senior coaching position so you dont have to worry about any of their contracts. Unless of course you want to poach one of the other current 15 senior coaches, but do you really think they would sign a contract today to move clubs in 08?
and if we were to get rid of him, who do we replace him with exactly?
red+black
15 Jun 2006, 17:36
and if we were to get rid of him, who do we replace him with exactly?
See that's the fear and paranoia that his lengthy tenure has instilled in many supporters. Like the club will disintegrate without him.
See that's the fear and paranoia that his lengthy tenure has instilled in many supporters. Like the club will disintegrate without him.
No it's not, its a simple question that seemingly nobody can answer.
stander
15 Jun 2006, 21:09
No it's not, its a simple question that seemingly nobody can answer.
Sheedy was appointed without any coaching experience- there are a number of potential senior coaches out there with a decent coaching apprenticeship- such as John Longmire, and Gary O'Donnell. As I said before, Sheedy should leave at the end of 2006 and chase his Mchale record at another Club. Put it this way, there are Clubs out there who still believe Sheedy can coach and would take over the Bomber contract. The rebuilding can be done by another coach because Sheedy is no longer better than all the rest. 10 in a row is a shocker and the winning % ratio is trending steeply down. lloyd out, does not justify getting thrashed by 138 points, sitting last, and sheedy had everyone believe we were top eight material. His asseesment of how our list compares with the top 6 is warped. He has had it.
At the start of the year he wasnt building another team. He totally misread the capabilities of our list. He should be allowed to complete his contract with the dignity he deserves and NOT be reappointed. I think it is his job to leave a young and talented list to his successor just like Billy Stephens and Barry Davis left for him.
Rubbish!!
You dont dump as many players as we did at the end of last year if you are not rebuilding. He was saying all last season he was trying players out to find the next 100 game players. the rebuilding started a while ago.
Of course he was upbeat at the start of the year, every coach will talk up their chances of making the finals , you dont go into a season saying i dont think we will get past 12th position.
stander
15 Jun 2006, 21:27
Rubbish!!
You dont dump as many players as we did at the end of last year if you are not rebuilding. He was saying all last season he was trying players out to find the next 100 game players. the rebuilding started a while ago.
Of course he was upbeat at the start of the year, every coach will talk up their chances of making the finals , you dont go into a season saying i dont think we will get past 12th position.
Garbage Ant trobus. Who picked those duds we unloaded in the first place. Yo make too many excuses for Sheedy- Zantuck was a classic dud reminiscent of Daryl Cunningham and Doc Wheildon.
Sheedy was appointed without any coaching experience- there are a number of potential senior coaches out there with a decent coaching apprenticeship- such as John Longmire, and Gary O'Donnell. As I said before, Sheedy should leave at the end of 2006 and chase his Mchale record at another Club. Put it this way, there are Clubs out there who still believe Sheedy can coach and would take over the Bomber contract. The rebuilding can be done by another coach because Sheedy is no longer better than all the rest. 10 in a row is a shocker and the winning % ratio is trending steeply down. lloyd out, does not justify getting thrashed by 138 points, sitting last, and sheedy had everyone believe we were top eight material. His asseesment of how our list compares with the top 6 is warped. He has had it.
Yea, we hit the jackpot once with an unproven coach...at a time where we were hardly the organisation we are today. What makes you think we can hit that jackpot twice in a row? How many new coaches start...how many make it? The percentage isnt good.
I am not anti replacing Sheedy, we have to eventually, but I fail to see the benefit of simply sacking him, without a firm replacement in mind. If Matthews, Malthouse or even Roos were available and willing, I would definitely think about it.
Off field, we are a super power in AFL terms. We do not need to resort to punting on a virgin coach ala North Melbourne. Then, we would officially become a rabble.
Look at Collingwood, they learnt a very good lesson from Tony Shaw. They wont make that mistake again, not while their off-field status is the way it is.
Sheedy is one of very few proven Coaches out there. He has not had a chance to rebuild the current crop yet - it started last year, but it takes time. Yes, we held on too much after 2001-2002, but as a club, we knew we had great talent there and tried to pinch another flag, it didnt work.
Our rebuilding has just begun. The AFL landscape has changed - they are getting the draft right, clubs need to fall before they rise again. It isnt the 80's anymore.
Sheedy, like no-one else, has proven he can adapt to change like nobody else. Lets give him his chance to prove himself yet again.
Unless there is a proven coach, with the ambition to coach us, then I dont see the point at all in taking a punt.
To me, thats a knee-jerk reaction.
12 months ago Collingwood fans were calling for Malthouses blood. Pure ignorance. People dont forget their coaching knowledge in one or two years.
If sheedy cant do anything with this batch, then maybe we kick him along. But lets give him his chance - at the end of the day it a lesser punt than going for a first timer.
Garbage Ant trobus. Who picked those duds we unloaded in the first place. Yo make too many excuses for Sheedy- Zantuck was a classic dud reminiscent of Daryl Cunningham and Doc Wheildon.
It isnt garbage, if we where not rebuilding at the start of last year why did 10players go? So what no one picked them . Doesnt chnage the fact we altered our list in a big way and in no way was it the normal end of year turn over.
Yes Zantuck was a dud but we are not the only club to pick up duds . We could have done worse and given away first round picks to get them. Every club in the league has had countless numbers of duds over the years.
stander
17 Jun 2006, 09:23
It isnt garbage, if we where not rebuilding at the start of last year why did 10players go? So what no one picked them . Doesnt chnage the fact we altered our list in a big way and in no way was it the normal end of year turn over.
Yes Zantuck was a dud but we are not the only club to pick up duds . We could have done worse and given away first round picks to get them. Every club in the league has had countless numbers of duds over the years.
Ant robus, you ignore the fact that Sheedys assessment of what our capabilties were at the start of the season compared to where we are now is incompetent, even without Lloyd. You don't even mention two of the biggest duds- Doc Wheildon and Daryl Cunningham. Obviously you haven't been around long enough to know that Sheedy is once again self preversing and spinning the old rebuilding line. Bring on a Longmire and kick start the EFC again.Thankfully not everyone thinks like you and Longy412
By the way, do you remember Tony Antrobus, ant555 ?
djharps
17 Jun 2006, 11:24
Ant robus, you ignore the fact that Sheedys assessment of what our capabilties were at the start of the season compared to where we are now is incompetent, even without Lloyd. You don't even mention two of the biggest duds- Doc Wheildon and Daryl Cunningham. Obviously you haven't been around long enough to know that Sheedy is once again self preversing and spinning the old rebuilding line. Bring on a Longmire and kick start the EFC again.Thankfully not everyone thinks like you and Longy412
By the way, do you remember Tony Antrobus, ant555 ?
are you dating longmire?
Longy413
17 Jun 2006, 11:33
Ant robus, you ignore the fact that Sheedys assessment of what our capabilties were at the start of the season compared to where we are now is incompetent, even without Lloyd. You don't even mention two of the biggest duds- Doc Wheildon and Daryl Cunningham. Obviously you haven't been around long enough to know that Sheedy is once again self preversing and spinning the old rebuilding line. Bring on a Longmire and kick start the EFC again.Thankfully not everyone thinks like you and Longy412
By the way, do you remember Tony Antrobus, ant555 ?
So what you are saying is, you are expecting a flawless recruiting record from Sheedy in 25 years.
Bit far fetched isn't it?
stander
17 Jun 2006, 12:22
So what you are saying is, you are expecting a flawless recruiting record from Sheedy in 25 years.
Bit far fetched isn't it?
What you need to understand Longy413 is that Sheedy has made many mistakes over the years, some outright stupid ones, and continues to self preserve. The club's objective in recent years has been to at least make the eight, based on Sheedys assessment of players. Once the flawed decisions by Sheedy are exposed, we get the lame old excuse of re-building, and everyone falls for it, again. He has too many flaws in his decision making, to now be regarded as unessential for the return to power of the EFC.
Richards is not a great player but would have assissted Fletch this year. He is a better player than Zantuck imo.
stander
17 Jun 2006, 12:26
are you dating longmire?
No, djharps, I'm married with kids. . Are you looking for a male partner ?
Longy413
17 Jun 2006, 12:50
What you need to understand Longy413 is that Sheedy has made many mistakes over the years, some outright stupid ones,
Of course he has, he's been there a quarter of a century. I'd be expecting mistakes, big and small.
He's not perfect, but he's pretty damn bloody good. His good has far outweighed his bad.
The club's objective in recent years has been to at least make the eight, based on Sheedys assessment of players.
The clubs objective is to make the finals every year. Every single season we start off with the goal of playing finals. That's what makes our club great, that's the expectations that come with success and culture that one K Sheedy has built.
Once the flawed decisions by Sheedy are exposed, we get the lame old excuse of re-building, and everyone falls for it, again.
We don't have a choice to rebuild. Injuries have seen to that and so have the climate the AFL has dictated to us. Last week those playing at Bendigo had a total of four AFL games between them. That's what injury and delisting 10 players does to a club. 55% of our list is made up of kids that we have recruited in the past four drafts and McPhee and Cole that we picked up as relative youngsters.
We've been rebuilding for four years.
He has too many flaws in his decision making, to now be regarded as unessential for the return to power of the EFC.
I don't think Kevin Sheedy will be our next Premiership coach. I'd like it if he were, but I'm not sure it will happen. However, I'm very happy for Kevin Sheedy to continue to develop our list over the next two years. I don't think there is anyone better.
Richards is not a great player but would have assissted Fletch this year. He is a better player than Zantuck imo.
Richards left because he didn't want to play in defense. How many times does that have to be said?
The club tried to keep him, he was told he'd get a game down back. But he saw himself as a forward. A forward that is rightly behind Lloyd, Lucas, Hird etc.
He walked and we got a good deal for him.
Bomaz_Magic
17 Jun 2006, 13:06
I'd like to see him hold aloft the premiership cup next September. If he was to go I wouldn't mind someone like Wayne Carey take over, if not him maybe a Stan Alves type.
red+black
17 Jun 2006, 13:29
Yes I agree there must be some criteria on whether or not to reappoint Sheedy as coach for beyond 2007. That will be up the board of directors to decide upon.
You have just stated that in your opinion it should be based on performance in the period 2005 to 2007. Fair enough, that is reasonable. However, the period of 2005 to 2007 is only 50% complete. You have already made a decision not to reappoint him for 08 and beyond. You have based your decision on 50% of the available information and time period.
Here's some stats: 14 wins from our last 46 games, 9 from 33 under the current contract, and that is not likely to improve greatly over the course of this contract. OK, let's re-evaluate in June next year. Any coach that takes his team to three consecutive years in the bottom 4 should be released. Yes I'm predicting bottom 4 next year. To even contemplate that he could still be at the helm for a possible 4-7 more years is very unpalatable to me.
And any talk of finals or a flag next year is utter nonsense.
djharps
17 Jun 2006, 13:50
changing coaches is not the answer.. look at carlton for example... pagan a noted quality coach.. has yet to give carlton any real success. from what i gather carlton got smashed with poor drafting am i right? a mass of retired players and it has left them half a pace behind the rest of the afl for the past few seasons.. essendon you could say are in a similar predicament.. but its not due to poor drafting etc.. but i think it has been we have been reluctant to blood youngsters esp 00-03 opting for a more experienced outfit that would give us success. and the past few seasons that we have shown faith in our youngsters who would be that x factor, the middle band of players to stand up in haynes,bullen,cupido,zantuck (could add more) they are the players that have not delievered and as a result are no longer passengers on our list. i think sheeds got carried away with drafting older players after barnes lol.. with salmon,murphy,allan,allvey but has learnt from that.. i mean there is only so much a coach can do, ultimately its the players that have to play, i think this season has been a culmination of unfortunate events all combinding at once etc injuries in areas that were our strong point... personally i think it would be better for morale for the youngsters to learn under sheedy who has red and black blood running through this veins.. than for a coach to take over the reins knowing the kids have been around longer than the coach. essendon hasnt really had the luxury of drafting a ready made youngster in the past 5-6 years like a bulldogs or hawthorn team.. bar mcphee then hit with injuries.. and i think it is a testimate to the recruiters to fing the lovett boys who were both overlooked.. sitting there with the number 1 draft pick.. its pretty hard to stuff up.. i think the team is developing and we will come good soon.. and hird would love to finish his days under sheeds i think.. he has alot to give back to the club
stander
17 Jun 2006, 13:57
[quote=Longy413]Of course he has, he's been there a quarter of a century. I'd be expecting mistakes, big and small.
He's not perfect, but he's pretty damn bloody good. His good has far outweighed his bad.
The clubs objective is to make the finals every year. Every single season we start off with the goal of playing finals. That's what makes our club great, that's the expectations that come with success and culture that one K Sheedy has built.
We don't have a choice to rebuild. Injuries have seen to that and so have the climate the AFL has dictated to us. Last week those playing at Bendigo had a total of four AFL games between them. That's what injury and delisting 10 players does to a club. 55% of our list is made up of kids that we have recruited in the past four drafts and McPhee and Cole that we picked up as relative youngsters.
We've been rebuilding for four years.
I don't think Kevin Sheedy will be our next Premiership coach. I'd like it if he were, but I'm not sure it will happen. However, I'm very happy for Kevin Sheedy to continue to develop our list over the next two years. I don't think there is anyone better.
Richards left because he didn't want to play in defense. How many times does that have to be said?
The club tried to keep him, he was told he'd get a game down back. But he saw himself as a forward. A forward that is rightly behind Lloyd, Lucas, Hird etc.
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Rebuilding for 4 years! One would assume some progress should have been made by now- instead we get flogged by 138 points and have lost 10 in a row- get serious Longy412. We haven't been re-building, we have been preserving Sheedy and you know it pal.
The club has formally renounced its objective to play finals every year.
Sheedy recruited most of those players we delisted anyway- his assessment of players is a legacy of the 80's, just look at Zantuck.
You sound like Sheedy, blaming Lloyd for our position.
There you go again about Richards. Are you so naive to believe that Richards would say to the Swans I only want to play on the forward line ! Get serious.
I repeat, Richards is not a great player, but would have helped Fletch this year.
We need a new coach- Roos and Woosha are doing quite nicely- and don't dissect everything I write.
stander
17 Jun 2006, 14:05
changing coaches is not the answer.. look at carlton for example... pagan a noted quality coach.. has yet to give carlton any real success.
Why don't you look at Roos or Worsfold as well. Both had no senior coaching experience and we have O'Donnell sitting behind incompetent Sheedy. And even Longmire would give us a kick start.
Djharps, did you get Longmires phone number ?
the_messiah
17 Jun 2006, 14:10
The past doesn't matter. Its the Present and Future...if the club thinks he's doing a good job keep him. But the way its looking he won't be at the club for 2008
djharps
17 Jun 2006, 15:22
Why don't you look at Roos or Worsfold as well. Both had no senior coaching experience and we have O'Donnell sitting behind incompetent Sheedy. And even Longmire would give us a kick start.
Djharps, did you get Longmires phone number ?
eade feel out of favour of the state and the people.. roos was the ppls man everyone loved him and it was only natural to give the reins for him.. it would be like hird taking over in 10 years time.. i think he created a flag out of nothing withonly recuiting one star in hall.. what hes done with the likes of williams is fantastic preserving him and getting the most out of him... where as worsfold im not as convinced.. last couple of weeks coasters have shown to be vunerable without the juddernaught... but coasters have got a young side that has taken years to develop
2000 - west coast 13th - drafted mcdougal, kerr, cox
2001 - west coast 14th - judd, sampi, seaby, hansen
worsfold took over
2002 - west coast 8th - 8th overall - staker, selwood, chick, lynch
2003 - west coast 7th - 8th overall - waters, butler, mcconnell
2004 - west coast 7th - 8th overall - rosa, lecras, morton, smith,
2005 - west coast 2nd - 2nd overall - hurn, mckinley, spangher
looking at that, worsfold took over a side with alot of stars of the future.. bar last year they have not been a power house side and from the drafting you look at where our draftees are at IMO and you will realise we have done pretty well with what we have.. sheeds is a mastermind and i believe we is about to unearth a brilliant side... ok lets go to the lions take brown out for the season.. how many games would they have won? coasters no judd or cousins for a season? the fact is injuries are not the excuse for everything.. but if your stars are winning you games (thats what the stars are there for) you suddenly take them out of the equation then you dont have the same team! if you dont have faith in the coach.. suggestion support richmond..
djharps
17 Jun 2006, 15:22
Why don't you look at Roos or Worsfold as well. Both had no senior coaching experience and we have O'Donnell sitting behind incompetent Sheedy. And even Longmire would give us a kick start.
Djharps, did you get Longmires phone number ?
you sure your married?
Longy413
17 Jun 2006, 17:13
Rebuilding for 4 years! One would assume some progress should have been made by now- instead we get flogged by 138 points and have lost 10 in a row- get serious Longy412. We haven't been re-building, we have been preserving Sheedy and you know it pal.
Unfortunately the current climate the AFL has set means you can't rebuild on the run. That means you have to go backwards before you go forwards.
We have 24 players on our list that have less than four years experience. That's 24 players on our list that have come in the last four drafts. They take time to develop. If half your list has less than four years experience, how can you possibly say we haven't been rebuilding?
We've only had two picks inside the top 10 in that time and that is a legacy of playing finals footy like we did between 2002-2004. One of those picks inside the top 10 came from trading away Jacobs, the other was Ryder last year.
The club has formally renounced its objective to play finals every year.
That's because they AFL has made it impossible to play finals football every single season. That objective is no longer realistic. However, at Essendon Football Club we will enter every season with aspirations to make the finals and that is the way it should be.
Sheedy recruited most of those players we delisted anyway- his assessment of players is a legacy of the 80's, just look at Zantuck.
You keep mentioning Zantuck, yet fail to mention the 12 kids on our list Sheedy has drafted in the past two years. For every Zantuck there is a host of youngsters.
You sound like Sheedy, blaming Lloyd for our position.
I'm not blaming everyone. Our position isn't acceptable and Sheeds has made some bad decisions, he's also done a world of good. Would anyone else be able to keep the club unified through a period like this? Clubs like Richmond and Carlton have fallen apart when going through tough times.
Sacking Sheedy before his contract is up, is not that answer.
There you go again about Richards. Are you so naive to believe that Richards would say to the Swans I only want to play on the forward line ! Get serious.
I repeat, Richards is not a great player, but would have helped Fletch this year.
Richards was asked to stay, but he saw himself as a forward. He said it himself, it was in the press. Roos said he would give him opportunities up forward and at the start of the year, that was where he played. He started the Essendon game up forward.
Ted walked. That isn't Sheedy's fault.
Lee, Bradley, NLM, Solomon are all better footballers than Ted. He wanted to go, good luck to him.
and don't dissect everything I write.
Whoops.
Philzsay
17 Jun 2006, 17:14
Here's some stats: 14 wins from our last 46 games, 9 from 33 under the current contract, and that is not likely to improve greatly over the course of this contract. OK, let's re-evaluate in June next year. Any coach that takes his team to three consecutive years in the bottom 4 should be released. Yes I'm predicting bottom 4 next year. To even contemplate that he could still be at the helm for a possible 4-7 more years is very unpalatable to me.
Fair enough. My point about Sheedy in this thread is not about whether or not we should keep him beyond 2008. It is simply on the timing on when we should evaluate/asses his performance. I don't believe in breaking contracts (unless both partied agree to it). Therefore I believe he should coach us for the rest of this year and in 2007.
Mid to late 2007 is when I believe is when we should decide/plan for our coaching structure from 2008. The critera I would have is simple: Who is the best coach to take us forward. It may be Sheedy, it may be someone else. I havn't decided either way, I am trying to keep my mind open. Whatever way I will be happy as long as we have the best available coach.
So in summary, I am not in the "keep Sheedy forever camp" and I am not in the "sack Sheedy camp". I am in the "keep Sheedy for the rest of his contract and make a decision on him towards the end of that contract camp". I have set up the camp fire, and have the marshmallows ready :D
Longy413
17 Jun 2006, 17:17
I have set up the camp fire, and have the marshmallows ready :D
Have you got beer?
Philzsay
17 Jun 2006, 17:24
Have you got beer?
Several slabs. Also have plenty of meat. No salads though.
Ant robus, you ignore the fact that Sheedys assessment of what our capabilties were at the start of the season compared to where we are now is incompetent, even without Lloyd. You don't even mention two of the biggest duds- Doc Wheildon and Daryl Cunningham. Obviously you haven't been around long enough to know that Sheedy is once again self preversing and spinning the old rebuilding line. Bring on a Longmire and kick start the EFC again.Thankfully not everyone thinks like you and Longy412
By the way, do you remember Tony Antrobus, ant555 ?
Been a member since 1973 champ ;) So obviuosly you are wrong , again :eek:
And in reality thank god not everyone thinks like you do. keep harping on the duds , of course Sheeds has never got us any talent into the club :rolleyes:
stander
18 Jun 2006, 09:16
I'm not blaming everyone. Our position isn't acceptable and Sheeds has made some bad decisions, he's also done a world of good. Would anyone else be able to keep the club unified through a period like this? Clubs like Richmond and Carlton have fallen apart when going through tough times.
Sacking Sheedy before his contract is up, is not that answer.
Ted walked. That isn't Sheedy's fault.
Lee, Bradley, NLM, Solomon are all better footballers than Ted. He wanted to go, good luck to him.
Sheedy has made bad decisions and unfortunately continues to do so- that is the main point- he is now dispensable with a pat on the back and you are welcome back at the club any time. His performance as a coach is deteriorating - this includes recruitment, player assessments, player recovery, selection of players on match day and representing EFC ( the Rioli genes story was crap- typical self preservation ). We need to reverse the trend long term without his tired approach. The old fox has had his day.
Longy413
18 Jun 2006, 11:14
Sacking Kevin Sheedy before his contract up achieves nothing. We'll go backwards if we sack the man that made us. It really is that simple.
stander
18 Jun 2006, 11:51
Sacking Kevin Sheedy before his contract up achieves nothing. We'll go backwards if we sack the man that made us. It really is that simple.
He should leave with some self respect left, at the end of this year, doesn't need to be sacked. If he was asked to leave he should accept this without acrimony as both parties have had a good innings. We are going backwards with him at the helm now- not forwards.
red+black
18 Jun 2006, 13:44
I'd love Sheedy to go coach St Kilda. I'm not sure when Grant Thomas' contract is up, but if Thomas is coaching until the end of 2007, then I'd say a move by Sheedy to St Kilda at the end of his contract would be great for all parties.
I'd love for him to get that elusive 5th flag with the Sainters.