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larrikin
15 Jun 2006, 02:06
Just watched the legends game on 9. Peter Matera still looks like he could be playing AFL footy.
A question for the rest of you who watched Matera in his prime (sorry for those under 22 ish), is Judd really better than Matera? I personally have Matera in the top couple of Eagles of all time - probably at number 1. His use of the footy was so superb and the abilty to kick that long goal at that speed - I'll never forget "that goal".
Thoughts?
Gunnar Longshanks
15 Jun 2006, 03:05
Judd's best footy has been better than Matera's best footy.
It's about longevity.
If Judd never plays another game, you probably couldn't consider him the greatest ever Eagle.
But there's no doubt that the football he's produced has been as good as any 100 games ever played by anyone at our club.
larrikin
15 Jun 2006, 03:35
Judd's best footy has been better than Matera's best footy.
It's about longevity.
If Judd never plays another game, you probably couldn't consider him the greatest ever Eagle.
But there's no doubt that the football he's produced has been as good as any 100 games ever played by anyone at our club.
Judd never kicked 5 goals in a GF. I suspect you are clouded by the present. Matera was unbelievable, in a period of extraordinary footballers.
Matera is my pick as the greatest Eagle of all time and it will stay that way until Benny and Judd hang up their boots and I shall re-evaluate.
sammyg77
15 Jun 2006, 10:26
Matera is the better footballer............He was certainly more complete than what Judd is at the moment.
Matera was a superb mark something which Judd seriously lacks, he was a great tackler and chaser, better kick on both sides of the body and just as quick. He revolutionised how the Wing position is played.
Judd is certainly more powerful and destroys Matera for his hard ball get ability but he lacks the polish which Matera brought to the game.
Both are game breakers who amaze the footy world with their different strengths but you would have to have Matera in front at this stage.
Judd is still very young and yet to reach his peak so its hard to compare but Peter Matera is certainly the greatest player to ever represent the Eagles to date.
sdb4884
15 Jun 2006, 11:05
yeah why the hell didn't win the MOTM award at the legends game? Matera was clearly best on ground even Frawley thought so. :mad:
wce4premiership
15 Jun 2006, 11:39
matera, he's still doing it
Eagles 4 Mine
15 Jun 2006, 13:13
Judd's best footy has been better than Matera's best footy.
It's about longevity.
If Judd never plays another game, you probably couldn't consider him the greatest ever Eagle.
But there's no doubt that the football he's produced has been as good as any 100 games ever played by anyone at our club.
Totally agree with you Gunnar!
chelsworthgale
15 Jun 2006, 13:19
judd ten fold better... better balance, better football ability to read the play. Matera was more of a winger and its a little easier to read the play out there. Next time judd plays watch for those slick feet in amoungst 15 blokes and watch him read the tap, dance, escape the pack and take off then kick without breaking stride or lowering pace and watch the ball fly 10 feet of the ground for 50 metres... it's sensational to watch!
sydney eagle
15 Jun 2006, 14:33
It is very difficult to compare champions of different eras, even eras as recently in the past as when Peter Matera was dominant..All I can say is that Peter Matera was a champion when he played football, just as Judd is a champion of the modern game. To compare them is both difficult and does a disservice to both players.
eagleskickass
15 Jun 2006, 15:33
regardless of who is better we have been VERY lucky to see these 2 players play for WCE! Last night watching Roo almost brought tears to my eyes, knowing he doesn't don the blue and gold anymore. He was SENSATIONAL last night and throughout his career.
A comparison that comes to mind for me when comparing Judd and Matera at this stage is comparing say John Coleman or Peter Hudson to Coventry/Dunstall/Lockett. Peter Hudson could have done ANYTHING if he had not done his knee, but you couldn't say he was better than say Lockett simply cause Lockett did it over a much longer period of time. Same as Matera, Judd may well end up being better than Matera at the end of his career, but at this stage Matera has to be said to be better simply due to his longevity, he was AMAZING for a LONG time.
materamagic
15 Jun 2006, 15:48
Matera made me want to go to the football, Judd makes me want to go to the football. Both had skills and ability like no other Eagle, in terms of Mr Excitement, there have been none better than these two. Matera is a better finisher out of the two for mine but a comparison would be apt at the end of Judds career as they played in two different eras.
Last night was great, he showed every facet of his game from outmarking someone in defence, to winning the ball, rebounding, running, tackling and kicking his trademark running goal.
He was one of the best last night and I was sad that he retired but it was on his own terms and he is still playing which is great for the lower leagues I certainly would turn up and watch him play for as long as he does it, knowing that he enjoys his footy and is giving back to the game
Magnum27
15 Jun 2006, 16:02
Just watched the legends game on 9. Peter Matera still looks like he could be playing AFL footy.
A question for the rest of you who watched Matera in his prime (sorry for those under 22 ish), is Judd really better than Matera? I personally have Matera in the top couple of Eagles of all time - probably at number 1. His use of the footy was so superb and the abilty to kick that long goal at that speed - I'll never forget "that goal".
Thoughts?
Not sure about AFL but he has been playing for Armadale in the Sunday Football League in W.A. which his brother Wally coaches.
As in to who's the best, how do you split the 2, both had lightning speed, great balance and the ability to do the impossible, probably the hardest call to make.
Gunnar Longshanks
15 Jun 2006, 18:17
Judd never kicked 5 goals in a GF.So what?
Does the fact that Matera kicked 5 goals in a GF automatically make him WC's greatest ever?
You can't just focus on one outstanding performance.
Peter Sumich kicked 6 in a GF. Was he better than Judd as well?
Gunnar Longshanks
15 Jun 2006, 18:22
He was certainly more complete than what Judd is at the moment.How can you say that?
Matera was an outside player. He was fantastic in that capacity, but to suggest that he was "more complete" than Judd is wide of the mark.
Judd is the most complete midfielder I've ever seen.
His tackling, hard-ball gets and, generally, his work in close while being double-teamed, is as much a feature of his game as the more spectacular parts that win him all the plaudits.
What makes Judd such a remarkable player is that he's as good inside as he is outside.
You couldn't say the same about Matera.
imonebadddman
15 Jun 2006, 19:35
Matera is my pick as the greatest Eagle of all time and it will stay that way until Benny and Judd hang up their boots and I shall re-evaluate.
Same thoughts here jod
WeSt CoAsT EaGLeS
15 Jun 2006, 20:55
Judd.
Matera might had have more pace, but he was a sort of skinny and 'fragile' player.
Judd, on the other hand, breaks open packs with his strength and speed, which is most important; because in the end, getting the ball would have to be more important than skills (but Judd also has skills so thats a double advantage).
larrikin
15 Jun 2006, 21:32
Does the fact that Matera kicked 5 goals in a GF automatically make him WC's greatest ever?
Nope, but you were the one who raised the issue of the respective players' best. That performance is one of the best games of football I have seen from an individual in any game, let alone such a big game - a bit like Ablett in '89.
materamagic
15 Jun 2006, 22:13
Judd.
Matera might had have more pace, but he was a sort of skinny and 'fragile' player.
Judd, on the other hand, breaks open packs with his strength and speed, which is most important; because in the end, getting the ball would have to be more important than skills (but Judd also has skills so thats a double advantage).
Matera was no slouch in the tackling department, mate
Cheeseball
15 Jun 2006, 22:42
Matera can kick it about 10 metres further, but Judd's faster and stronger. Judd is better IMO. I want those few games where they played together in 2002 on dvd.
wce4premiership
16 Jun 2006, 00:30
matera hit more targets...i wwas youngish but from what i remember he was one of the best disposalers (not a word i know) by foot i had seen
Isandula
16 Jun 2006, 21:23
Cant compare the two at the moment, both freakishly good players but Judd has too play a bit longer.
Matera was very unlucky not to win a Brownlow IMO. But the way Judd is going he just might become the better of the two, buts lets wait a few years before we say that and see how hes playing then.
patsmith
16 Jun 2006, 21:34
Wait until they've actually played the same amount of footy, guys. You can hardly expect Judd to replicate in his 100 games what Roo did in his 250.
peterss
16 Jun 2006, 22:03
No way can you compare the two at present
1. Amount of games played is a huge difference
2. Two totally different players
mick ryan
16 Jun 2006, 23:09
Peter was susceptible to reacting negatively to being niggled to the extent he could be put off his game apart from that I couldn't fault him. As for comparing him and Judd I just dont see that it serves any useful purpose either of them would be the first player any coach would be happy to pick in his side.
larrikin
17 Jun 2006, 02:03
Peter was susceptible to reacting negatively to being niggled to the extent he could be put off his game apart from that I couldn't fault him. As for comparing him and Judd I just dont see that it serves any useful purpose either of them would be the first player any coach would be happy to pick in his side.
A few of your have some fencing sitting squarely between your arse cheeks. It's a stupid and fun comparisin, and no one is disrepecting any player by putting their neck out
mick ryan
17 Jun 2006, 10:55
A few of your have some fencing sitting squarely between your arse cheeks. It's a stupid and fun comparisin, and no one is disrepecting any player by putting their neck out
Perhaps it's a fact that some of us are more intelligent than you and you cant handle it?
larrikin
17 Jun 2006, 14:28
Perhaps it's a fact that some of us are more intelligent than you and you cant handle it?
Stop it, you're hurting my feelings.
I'm going to get my mum.
davey_magik
17 Jun 2006, 15:24
Just from a neutral perspective, you can't say Judd's disposal is equal to Matera's. Matera was one of the best long kicks ever and whilst Judd is good he has his fair share of clangers.
I think Judd will be remembered as the better player, but Judd isn't his equal in disposal.
rubbers0ul
18 Jun 2006, 01:27
Matera can kick it about 10 metres further, but Judd's faster and stronger. Judd is better IMO. I want those few games where they played together in 2002 on dvd.
If matera played in todays condition it would be completely different - player management issues relation to their own individual preseason routine, personal diets, weights, coaching, recovery etc etc. Comparing them is ridiculous. You cant compare batsmen who played on underprepared wickets (victor trumper with a test average of 37) to players playing on flat 5 day wickets (ponting 58) it is ridiculous. In materas day he was the best at wat he did. Now judd is the best at what he does. Who knows, if matera was on Judds schedule how good he would be?
I think a few of you guys might be too young to really appreciate Peter Matera. Anyone who's name has one capital letter followed by a normal letter followed by another capital letter... for example - ThIs ExAmPlE HeRe. Is far too young to remember just how good Matera really was.