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The Hitman
19 Jan 2002, 12:28
Coulda been done before, but stuff ya's! :p
In the midst of the current rotational controvery, what is your best ODI XI?
Here's mine...
Adam Gilchrist
Matthew Hayden
Ricky Ponting
Michael Bevan
Steve Waugh
Damien Martyn
Andrew Symonds
Shane Warne
Brett Lee
Jason Gillespie
Glenn McGrath
The Hitman
NICK THE PIE MAN
19 Jan 2002, 12:35
M.Hayden
A.Gilchrist
R.Ponting
D.Lehmann
S.Waugh
M.Bevan
D.Martyn
A.Symonds
S.Warne
J.Gillespie
G.McGrath
12th Man: B.Lee
Im opting for the longer batting line up at the moment due to the shallow batting performances as of late.
Hayden
Martyn
Ponting
Lehmann
Bevan
Gilchrist
Symonds
Teletubbie
Gillespie
Lee
McGrath
I can't find room for either of the Waughs.
I refuse to pass comment on any one day team that has RunCharity Brett Lee in it.
MY team:
Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Martyn
Lehmann
Bevan
Symonds
Warne
Not Brett Lee
Gillespie
McGrath
The 3rd quick doesnt really matter, I'd say its between Bichel or even Harvey if the selectors feel the need to lick his ass some more for no particular reason. I'd play a tight swing bowler who is hard to score from, rather than a loose speed bowler who is now getting bowled at the ends of innings because it can hardly make his figures worse. God Brett Lee's one day figures are pathetic, and his 1 run in 3 innings doesnt help (remember the 0/87 anyone?)
grimlock
19 Jan 2002, 13:21
Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Lehmann
Bevan
S.Waugh
Harvey
Warne
Gillespie
Bracken
McGrath
Martyn (12th man)
Lehmann and Bracken are in terrific form at the moment, they've got to play. Mark Waugh totally out of touch, go back to the ING Cup. I still prefer Harvey to Symonds, as his bowling is a tad better. Anyway, Symonds bats better higher up the order rather than coming down at No. 7. (And that 0/87 was actually 0/85)
Brackens got chickenpox at the moment.Has he been kissing Lleyton ?
SeinDude
19 Jan 2002, 13:42
Originally posted by JUBJUB
Brackens got chickenpox at the moment.Has he been kissing Lleyton ?
JubJub,
"Not that there's anything wrong with that!!" :D:D
SeinDude
Originally posted by SeinDude
"Not that there's anything wrong with that!!" :D:D
SeinDude
dam,I forgot to put that line in.:D
Gilchrist
M. Waugh
Ponting
Lehmann
Martyn
Bevan
Harvey
B. Lee
Warne
Gillespie
McGrath
12th Man S. Waugh
I think Bevo should bat down the order again, Lehmann deserves a spot and Harvs better bowling gives him the all-rounders spot ahead of Symonds. We should make enough runs regardless of Harvs inept batting. I'd like to see Steve Waugh out of the side and maybe even Warney could have the casting vote on that one :D
Ruddeger
19 Jan 2002, 15:16
Adam Gilchrist
Matthew Hayden
Ricky Ponting
Damien Martyn
Michael Bevan
Andrew Symonds
Shane Watson
Ian Harvey
Shane Warne
Jason Gillespie
Glenn McGrath
12th Man: Brett Lee
They want an all-rounder, Shane Watson could be it, might be worth giving him a go.
B Lee can't conitnue going 10-0-70-1, it's not good enough.
Harvey should play for his bowling, and bat hm at 8th so we don't have to rely on him for batting.
Adam Gilchrist (VC)
Matthew Hayden
Ricky Ponting
Darren Lehmann
Damien Martyn
Michael Bevan
Ian Harvey
Shane Warne (C)
Brett Lee
Jason Gillespie
Glenn Mcgrath
Andrew Symonds (12th Man)
Bit hard to leave the Waugh twins out but their ODI form isn't great, so it would give them a longer Test-life ( They did it to Taylor and Healy). But just looking at the current squad - They're all getting old now. We seriously need to blood some more youngsters before we go the way of the West Indies.
kretchy
19 Jan 2002, 19:16
Mine would be
Adam Gilchrist
Matthew Hayden
Ricky Ponting
Damien Martyn
Darren Lehmann
Michael Bevan
Andrew Symonds
Ian Harvey
Shane Warne
Jason Gillespie
Glenn McGrath.
Gone the longer batting line-up and i reckon Bevan bats better down at 6 than up at 4.
Gilchrist (c, wk)
Hayden
Ponting
Lehmann
Bevan
Katich
Watson
Warne
Gillespie
Dale (if he hasn't retired - where the intercourse is he???)
McGrath
12 - Symonds/S.Lee
Adam Gilchrist
Ryan Campbell
Ricky Ponting
Damien Martyn
Steve Waugh
Darren Lehmann
Ian Harvey
Shane Warne
Brett Lee
Nathan Bracken
Glenn McGrath
12th: Jason Gillespie.
Mark Waugh should be axed from One Dayers. I can't stand Bevan and I feel Jason Gillespie should be kept to the tests. I feel Lee would be better than Gillespie, for batting reasons. But there isn't much of a difference between the two.
Ryan Campbell and Adam Gilchrist opening would be one of the most explosive combinations in cricket. Their attacking style would be the starting point for many huge totals.
Nathan Bracken. I was impressed with him in the ODI's and he looked like being in for a good tour of the UK before he suffered the shoulder injury. I feel he would be a good addition to the side.
Harvey should be kept for his bowling and if he is given time in the side, his confidence will return and so to will his aggressive batting style.
Kangas_Big_Fan
20 Jan 2002, 06:21
hey catman who is your keeper campbell or gilchrist
SeinDude
20 Jan 2002, 17:29
If we achieve nothing else in this VB series, we need to work out who is in our best team so we have more of an idea for the World Cup next year. I think today we've found our #3 & #4.
This is how I would go..
Mark Waugh (or Matthew Hayden)
Adam Gilchrist
Ricky Ponting
Damien Martyn
Steve Waugh
Michael Bevan
Andrew Symonds
Ian Harvey
Shane Warne
Jason Gillespie
Glenn McGrath
Brett Lee (12th man)
SeinDude
mentalgrind
20 Jan 2002, 21:30
before Gillchrist became an international he was the keeper for WA while Campbell was just a batsman and backup keeper.
WCE2000
20 Jan 2002, 21:54
Strongest XI:
Damien Martyn/Matt Hayden
Adam Gilchrist
Ricky Ponting
Michael Bevan
Darren Lehmann
Steve Waugh
Andrew Symonds
Shane Warne
Andrew Bichel
Jason Gillespie
Glenn McGrath
Rest of Squad:
Damien Martyn/Matt Hayden
Shane Watson
Brett Lee
My ideal lineup:
Gilchrist
Hayden
Ponting
Lehmann
Martyn
Bevan
Symonds
Warne
Bichel
Gillespie
McGrath
Originally posted by Kangas_Big_Fan
hey catman who is your keeper campbell or gilchrist
Gilchrist.
Originally posted by Darky
Dale (where the intercourse is he???)
Darky,
I think you'll find he is out for the season after having shoulder surgery. He originally hurt it when he took that gem of a catch in a M.M.C. match a few years ago whilst fielding at Long on. I think Phil Emery was the batsman. He certainly is the forgotten man. He is a gun one-day bowler.
Gilchrist VC
M. Waugh
Ponting
Martyn c
Katich or Langer
Lehmann
Bevan
Warne
Gillespie
Bichel
McGrath
Kane McGoodwin
23 Jan 2002, 14:26
Best XI:
Gilchrist (vc)
Maher
Ponting
Martyn
Lehmann
Bevan
Symonds
Harvey
Warne (c)
Gillespie
McGrath
Other squad members:
Bichel (rotate with Gillespie/McGrath)
Watson (rotate with Symonds/Harvey)
Drop both Waughs & bring in some younger blood with view to the 2003 world cup. The batsmen should not be rotated in & out of the team as it upsets their form - but the batting order can be juggled to ensure everyone is getting a hit.
Jars458
23 Jan 2002, 14:36
Blewett
Haydyn
Lehmann
Martyn
S Waugh
Bevan
Gilchrist
Brad Young
J Gillespie
P Rofe
P Wilson
Kane McGoodwin
23 Jan 2002, 14:43
Hey Jars, you left out Ben Johnson, as he has been in good form & is a useful all-rounder. Also, isn't Harrity the leading ING wicket-taker?
Ruddeger
23 Jan 2002, 17:01
Manou missed out as well :eek:
Jars458
24 Jan 2002, 14:29
Originally posted by Ruddeger
Manou missed out as well :eek:
You had to meat at least one of these 3 criteria
1 Left handed
2 south australian
3 one of my favourite cricketers
Lehmann wins on all three.
Manou is a joke of a batsmen.
Johnson is married to a girl I used to know who hates my guts!
hawkfan5
24 Jan 2002, 14:58
Heres my lineup
Adam Gilchrist
Mark Waugh
Ricky Ponting
Michael Bevan
Steven Waugh
Damien Martyn
Andrew Symonds
Shane Warne
Andrew Bichel
Jason Gillespie
Glen McGrath
12th Man: Brett Lee
Ok, it may be exactly the same lineup that lined up against SA, but I personally think that was the best team possible.
Ok, here's mine:
Gilchrist (C)
Hayden
Ponting (VC)
Martyn
Bevan
Campbell
Symonds
Warne or McGill
Gillespie
S Clark
McGrath
There's nothing wrong with Hayden, and why he got dropped ahead of Mark Waugh is an absolute mystery to me. Still a couple of veterans in that line up, but no-one who can't hang around for three or four more years.
Stuart Clark is a tight bowler; he can restrict the opposition while always looking like taking a wicket. He'd bowl well with any of the other three. Gillespie aside, that's a pretty economic bowling line-up. Four batsmen can share the fifth bowling position.
Campbell and Gilchrist are interchangable, both in position and keeping duties. I'd favour Campbell, because it'd free up Gilchrist for captaincy.
The lower Bevan bats, the better. I'd even consider Campbell ahead of him.
Warne and McGill you can raffle. I'd prefer McGill, because his figures shade Warne's, but then no-one sledges quite like Warney, and that's worth a bit too. ;)
With Steve Waugh never bowling, and Mark rarely, they really need to justify their spots on their batting alone. Can anyone claim they've done that? Even with the pressure off chasing just over 100, Mark gave enough edges and chances to have himself out three or four times. And Steve, every tiime he reaches double figures he's lining up to tell us he's back in form.
Apologies to Lehmann, Bichel, Brett Lee, Maher and a couple of promising bowlers.
The Hippie
25 Jan 2002, 21:44
*sigh*
Steve Waugh's record for his last 26 innings (going back to the Aus/Eng/Pak series) reads: 777 runs off 939 balls, 4 NO's.
Ave 45.70, S/R 87.27
Not as bad as some make out.
I don't have Mark Waugh's record, although Breidis posted something awhile back.
McCartney5
26 Jan 2002, 01:29
I don't mind who is in the 11 as long as Brett Lee isn't
ME Waugh
Gilchrist
Ponting
Bevan
SR Waugh
Martyn
Symonds
Harvey
Warne
Gillespie
McGrath
12- B Lee
Chrus Cairns ... i still wanna boof him!!
Go Ceeps!!
Austraya need 243 to win!
The Old Dark Navy's
26 Jan 2002, 16:32
Hayden
Gilchrist
Ponting
Martyn
Bevan
Symonds
Harvey
Warne
Bichel
Gillespie
McGrath
In this day and age you really need good fieldsmen throughout the whole side. Hayden, Symonds, Ponting etc save so many runs and take brilliant catches.
Just regarding Steve and Mark Waugh. Mark's got a fair record over the past couple of years, but anyone who seriously thinks he's a man in form hasn't seen a lot of cricket lately. Steve probably warrants a spot at the moment (I was quite impressed with his innings last night until he got himself out), but the signs are there that he's starting to lose form. I haven't seen so many misfields from him in a season for a long long time, and he just doesn't seem to have the resilience to hold an innings together.
Stats are all well and good, but they don't tell you what you're seeing on the ground. Mark's got no idea what's keeping him from playing well (it's called age, Mark, and there's not a lot you can do about it), and Steve is getting very frustrated with his recent inability to dominate oppositions through his own will power. It shows in the way he's playing (way more rash shots than usual), and in his prickliness with the media.
The Steve Waugh of two years ago would have been there at the end of the Australian innings. This isn't a complete condemnation of him, as he did a lot better than most of the other Australians, but it is a sign that he's not the batsman he once was. The old steel isn't there.
Sure, these guys can play on for another year or two, but why would we want them to? It's not as if there aren't candidates for their spots. Guys like Alec Stewart and Courtney Walsh are kept from retiring because their teams desperately need them. We don't need the Waughs any more than we needed Taylor, Border or Boon when they were pushed out.
What we do need is a couple more guys with international experience behind them when the Waughs, McGrath, Warne, Bevan, and possibly Langer, Hayden and Martyn are gone. All in their 30's, all possibly retiring within a couple of years of each other. wouldn't it be better to stagger some of these retirements?
Or do we just let them hang around until their shot at glory in the next world cup, on the off chance that it all gels for them? You can't win the world cup with ego and stubbornness alone. Form counts for something.
Ryan campell (c)
Mathew hayden
jamie cox (vc)
shane lee
darren leahmen
brett lee
shane watson
jo angel
mark harrity
mathew innes
james hope.
12th man- stuart law
i say to drop everyoneZ!