View Full Version : Our 2007 List-Make the best team
Jeremias
6 Jul 2006, 18:40
The 2007 playing list will hopefully look something like this:
1. Andrew Walker
2. Jordan Russell
3. Marc Murphy
5. Josh Kennedy
6. Kade Simpson
8. Lance Whitnall
9. Jason Saddington
10. Dylan McLaren
13. Luke Blackwell
14. Brad Fisher
17. Setanta O'hAilpin
18. Paul Bower
19. Eddie Betts
20. Cory McGrath
23. Adam Hartlett
24. Nick Stevens
25. Brendan Fevola
26. Adrian Deluca
29. Heath Scotland
30. Jarrad Waite
31. Jordan Bannister
32. Bret Thornton
33. Ryan Houlihan
34. Simon Wiggins
35. Anthony Raso
37. Jake Edwards
38. Ryan Jackson
39. Daniel Batson
40. Adam Bentick
41. Jesse D Smith
42. Craig Flint
44. Andrew Carrazzo
45. Aisake O'hAilpin
1st round pick: Lachlan Hansen
Priority pick at end o first round: Brock O'Brien
2nd round pick: Albert Proud/Brent Renouf-pick either!
3rd round pick: Gary Moss
4th round pick: Tim Houlihan
I would be ecstatic with this list-heaps of youth, talent and potential. This is just about the best list we could hope for unless Judd, J Brown and Pavlich all demanded trades to Carlton :D
Show what you hope our round 1 team would look like if this list was to eventuate. I will put mine up later.
:wipes drool from face:
blues4flag
6 Jul 2006, 19:47
I'll be very suprised if Bannister is still on our list next year unless he's contracted, or has a massive increase in form over the final rounds. As for the rest, looks like a good team, the recylced players that have hurt us are just about gone.
I'll be very suprised if Bannister is still on our list next year unless he's contracted, or has a massive increase in form over the final rounds. As for the rest, looks like a good team, the recylced players that have hurt us are just about gone.
The last 3 weeks his been okay, just about cemented his spot in the side for the rest of the year. Due for a blinder this weekend.
Blah Blah Blue
6 Jul 2006, 20:03
I'll be very suprised if Bannister is still on our list next year unless he's contracted, or has a massive increase in form over the final rounds. As for the rest, looks like a good team, the recylced players that have hurt us are just about gone.
1.
Bannister - wrong. He has done really well in recent games. Still young, a number of years in the gym, he will be a senior player for a while. Suggest you read the '10 questions' on the CFC website.
2.
The re-cycled players - not all worked for sure however at the time it was worth the punt [we had no quality draft picks]. Correctly they have been delisted [or will] but they were better than the ones delisted to make way.
The 2007 playing list will hopefully look something like this:
1. Andrew Walker
2. Jordan Russell
3. Marc Murphy
5. Josh Kennedy
6. Kade Simpson
8. Lance Whitnall
9. Jason Saddington
10. Dylan McLaren
13. Luke Blackwell
14. Brad Fisher
17. Setanta O'hAilpin
18. Paul Bower
19. Eddie Betts
20. Cory McGrath
23. Adam Hartlett
24. Nick Stevens
25. Brendan Fevola
26. Adrian Deluca
29. Heath Scotland
30. Jarrad Waite
31. Jordan Bannister
32. Bret Thornton
33. Ryan Houlihan
34. Simon Wiggins
35. Anthony Raso
37. Jake Edwards
38. Ryan Jackson
39. Daniel Batson
40. Adam Bentick
41. Jesse D Smith
42. Craig Flint
44. Andrew Carrazzo
45. Aisake O'hAilpin
1st round pick: Lachlan Hansen
Priority pick at end o first round: Brock O'Brien
2nd round pick: Albert Proud/Brent Renouf-pick either!
3rd round pick: Gary Moss
4th round pick: Tim Houlihan
I would be ecstatic with this list-heaps of youth, talent and potential. This is just about the best list we could hope for unless Judd, J Brown and Pavlich all demanded trades to Carlton :D
Show what you hope our round 1 team would look like if this list was to eventuate. I will put mine up later.
:wipes drool from face:i know he is on a contract but why would you hope this imposter is still at carlton next year.
bluegal1983
6 Jul 2006, 21:09
I agree. Get rid of him or keep him in the 2's until his contract is finished.
I agree. Get rid of him or keep him in the 2's until his contract is finished.
Agree - keep him there and use him only really sparingly
What about Houlihan? Is he worth keeping? I sorta see him as good trade bait. Probs Deluca as well. It'll depend on whether there's anything decent on offer during trade week (Of course, not that anything decent ever happens at trade week)
bluegal1983
6 Jul 2006, 22:01
Keep Houlihan
Agree - keep him there and use him only really sparingly
What about Houlihan? Is he worth keeping? I sorta see him as good trade bait. Probs Deluca as well. It'll depend on whether there's anything decent on offer during trade week (Of course, not that anything decent ever happens at trade week)it wouldn't surprise to see wiggins offered up for trade. we seem to have an array of medium sized marking half forwards and his stocks have definitely risen this year. in saying that i like him and would hate see him go.
BlueWorld
6 Jul 2006, 22:26
Would be surprised if there was much demand for Wiggins from other clubs.
could be used to get a trade over the line??
Reckokn Wiggs is starting to show some real form. Why trade him, why not keep him. What are you going to trade him for pick a 3zillion. Hwy not keep him ???
Reckokn Wiggs is starting to show some real form. Why trade him, why not keep him. What are you going to trade him for pick a 3zillion. Hwy not keep him ???sometimes you have to give something away to get something you really need.;)
TheGeneral
7 Jul 2006, 00:37
Is Lance at Carlton next year? :cool:
sometimes you have to give something away to get something you really need.;)
Well personally, I reckon we have plenty of the Houlihan running it out of half-back/winger type in the team and most of them are young. Plus, the way that Lance is using the ball these days from the back line and with the quality in midfield we're building, I think he's excess.
On the other hand, Wiggins is younger and can still really improve to a medium sized forward target (hopefully a la Brad Johnson - really REALLY hopefully ;))
BlueFeaver
7 Jul 2006, 11:28
Houla will give us polish in a otherwise workman like midfield, I would sooner offload Stevens as I think he is even less committed at a contest. Houla can also creep forward and be dangerous around goal.
Bannister has shown enough to suggest he will stay on the list, the guy has plenty of run and can also take a mark. I see him as a better version of Teague as he develops into his new role.
Deluca to stay, he's bloody big and is going to take a bit more time. How many guys of 202cm can move like him. To me the upside as a 3rd or 4th tall forward is huge.
Saddington has another year and will certainly get it. We should not play him for the rest of the year and let him get his knee right. By the start of the pre-season he should be ready to go for next year. If we can get him up he will be the senior player in our backline while the young guys develop, this will allow Lance to go forward which will be the cream on our forward line.
Wiggins will stay, Pagans loves the kids endevour. He is a real goer, he is brave at the contest and as his body develops will give us good value.
If we end up with the likes of Hansen, O'Brien, Proud, Moss, Houlihan on our list next year I will dance a Jig on Royal Parade. The icing on the cake would be Fabian Deluca via the PSD.
I would be equally happy if some how Gibbs landed in our laps and Hislop in exchange for Hansen and O'Brien.
Best Team (providing all fit & inc draftee's)
B: Bannister - Hartlett- Carazzo
HB: Russell - Thornton- Bower
C: Simpson - Bentick - Walker
HF: Stevens - Kennedy - Waite
F: Whitnall - Fevola - Betts
R: Mclaren - Blackwell - Murphy
Int: F.Deluca - Fisher - Gibbs - Hislop
FWIW
b: carazzo - hartlett - bower
hb: walker - thornton - scotland
c: simpson - blackwell - russell
hf: houlihan - whitnall - waite
f: lappin - fevola - betts
r: mclaren - stevens - murphy
int: bentick - kennedy - (pick 2) - (psd pick)
emer: jackson - flint - edwards - smith - bannister - fisher - deluca - raso - s o'halpin - a o'halpin - teague - french - wiggins - saddington - pick 18 - pick 20 - pick 36 - pick 52 - pick - 68 - rookie pick - rookie pick
this assumes kouta retires,we don't have any trades and all players are available
this team is very much picked on potential and tries to get some decent team balance
FWIW
b: carazzo - hartlett - bower
hb: walker - thornton - scotland
c: simpson - blackwell - russell
hf: houlihan - whitnall - waite
f: lappin - fevola - betts
r: mclaren - stevens - murphy
int: bentick - kennedy - (pick 2) - (psd pick)
emer: jackson - flint - edwards - smith - bannister - fisher - deluca - raso - s o'halpin - a o'halpin - teague - french - wiggins - saddington - pick 18 - pick 20 - pick 36 - pick 52 - pick - 68 - rookie pick - rookie pick
this assumes kouta retires,we don't have any trades and all players are available
this team is very much picked on potential and tries to get some decent team balance
Walker cant stay in the back line, its just cruel to both him, the team and us.
Where is Wiggins ?
Houla will give us polish in a otherwise workman like midfield, I would sooner offload Stevens as I think he is even less committed at a contest. Houla can also creep forward and be dangerous around goal.
Ah.....Id put the ball in Stevos hands in front of goal before ANYONE else in the team. He is one the best kicks in the league. Also take a look at the West Coast game for committment. Three players (including Houla) are standing around the action waiting for a feed. Stevo runs in gathers, delivers and subsequently gets nailed. GUTSY stuff. This Stevo bashing has got to stop. He is a genuine comitted player who, yes, occasionally dosent man up enough, but dont question is toughness or comittment. He has to run all day, has carried the midfield since he arrived (is only getting some relief now) and has had no reward or recognition.
To re-iterate Stevens is VERY tough and committed. Putting him in the houlahan basket is a joke, rating Houlahan higher than Stevo is even more so.
Sorry if this seems to come across as having a go directly at you, its more of a build up at the continuous stream of crap.
2cents.
Ah.....Id put the ball in Stevos hands in front of goal before ANYONE else in the team. He is one the best kicks in the league. Also take a look at the West Coast game for committment. Three players (including Houla) are standing around the action waiting for a feed. Stevo runs in gathers, delivers and subsequently gets nailed. GUTSY stuff. This Stevo bashing has got to stop. He is a genuine comitted player who, yes, occasionally dosent man up enough, but dont question is toughness or comittment. He has to run all day, has carried the midfield since he arrived (is only getting some relief now) and has had no reward or recognition.
To re-iterate Stevens is VERY tough and committed. Putting him in the houlahan basket is a joke, rating Houlahan higher than Stevo is even more so.
Sorry if this seems to come across as having a go directly at you, its more of a build up at the continuous stream of crap.
2cents.
Putting my two cents into this discussion, I agree with you audas - Stevens is no doubt a good player; better than Houlihan by far. Let's not forget that he gets tagged by the opposition's best tagger every week. Unfortunately, during trade week, this also gives us more leverage in any trade. While I would readily trade Houlihan if that were needed, I don't think most clubs would want him. They'd ask straight for players like Stevo. While I'd rather not trade him, if we get a half-decent offer (say a mid 2nd rnd draft pick and someone young and decentish) I'd trade Stevo for that youth.
Putting my two cents into this discussion, I agree with you audas - Stevens is no doubt a good player; better than Houlihan by far. Let's not forget that he gets tagged by the opposition's best tagger every week. Unfortunately, during trade week, this also gives us more leverage in any trade. While I would readily trade Houlihan if that were needed, I don't think most clubs would want him. They'd ask straight for players like Stevo. While I'd rather not trade him, if we get a half-decent offer (say a mid 2nd rnd draft pick and someone young and decentish) I'd trade Stevo for that youth.
logical yes. However it raises the same old debate....is a potential player equal value to a ready made player.
True. I suppose it also falls on whether our younger brigade step up enough to fill any breach that may occur as a result of him being traded. If so, then a resounding yes. But with Murphy out now and players like Walker, Bentick et al not really ready yet, I have my own doubts. Another complication is the extreme depth of this year's draft. All the pundits are commenting that any extra draft picks this time are like gold.
For mine, like I said, 2nd round plus a player at the least for stevo. But not if we lose to essendon (which we won't) cos that'll mean we're in REALLY deep sh1t
TheGeneral
8 Jul 2006, 02:13
Out: Chambers Sporn Teague Davies Longmuir Bryan Livingston Koutoufides Whitnall Prendergast Smith Batson
In: F.Deluca Hansen O'Brien Connors Boak Urquhart Renouf T. Houlihan Millar Flint
B: Simpson Thornton Carrazzo
HB: Russell Hansen(pick 2) Bower
C: Walker Bentick Scotland
HF: Waite Kennedy Fisher
F: Betts Fevola Blackwell
R: French Stevens Murphy
I/C from: Lappin Hartlett Bannister A.Deluca Flint Edwards Houlihan McLaren Wiggins :) Setanta Saddington McGrath B.O'Brien (pick 18) Connors (pick 20) Boak Urquhart (picks traded for Whitnall ;) ) Renouf (pick 36 - a ruckman :eek: ) Tim Houlihan (pick 52 - Paf's pick ;) ) Zac Millar(pick 68 :confused: ) F.Deluca PSD ;)
Out: Chambers Sporn Teague Davies Longmuir Bryan Livingston Koutoufides Whitnall Prendergast Smith Batson
In: F.Deluca Hansen O'Brien Connors Boak Urquhart Renouf T. Houlihan Millar Flint
B: Simpson Thornton Carrazzo
HB: Russell Hansen(pick 2) Bower
C: Walker Bentick Scotland
HF: Waite Kennedy Fisher
F: Betts Fevola Blackwell
R: French Stevens Murphy
I/C from: Lappin Hartlett Bannister A.Deluca Flint Edwards Houlihan McLaren Wiggins :) Setanta Saddington McGrath B.O'Brien (pick 18) Connors (pick 20) Boak Urquhart (picks traded for Whitnall ;) ) Renouf (pick 36 - a ruckman :eek: ) Tim Houlihan (pick 52 - Paf's pick ;) ) Zac Millar(pick 68 :confused: ) F.Deluca PSD ;)
That is a pretty decent list. I think we could do some damage with that list.We would have picked up 6 midfielders in the draft. Not to mention 2 rucks and a super KPP. Bring on 2007
The Old Dark Navy's
9 Jul 2006, 15:59
I highly doubt that we can trade away Whitnall and put Hansen straight to CHB. You can't play a team on pure potential, they actually have to be up to the level they are playing at the time.
TheGeneral
9 Jul 2006, 20:36
I highly doubt that we can trade away Whitnall and put Hansen straight to CHB. You can't play a team on pure potential, they actually have to be up to the level they are playing at the time.
Like when we put Marc Murphy straight into our best 18? :)
I highly doubt that Lance will be as good a player in 2-3 years because his pace will work against him as the game gets faster. If Hansen isn't plug and play we'll just have to pinch hit with Saddington until he's ready. We'll still be a bottom two side next year even if Lance stays at the club and the names of those kids excite me more than a redhead who isn't Gillian Anderson. :cool:
Like when we put Marc Murphy straight into our best 18? :)
I highly doubt that Lance will be as good a player in 2-3 years because his pace will work against him as the game gets faster. If Hansen isn't plug and play we'll just have to pinch hit with Saddington until he's ready. We'll still be a bottom two side next year even if Lance stays at the club and the names of those kids excite me more than a redhead who isn't Gillian Anderson. :cool:
Whitnall certainly is an interesting topic. Personally I dont think the club will have the balls to trade him although we should certainly look to do so if the deal is fair and reasonable.
There won't be too many suitors, probably West Coast & the Bulldogs, with Melbourne a possibility depending on how they go in the finals.
Are they willing to offer a 1st Round Pick for Whitnall?..........unlikely, but having said that he might be enough to win them a Premiership in the next couple of years.
blueheart
10 Jul 2006, 17:48
B. Thornton Hartlett Carrazzo
HB. Russell Whitnall Bower
C. Walker Stevens Simpson
HF. Waite Kennedy Fisher
F. Lappin Fevola Betts
FOL. French Blackwell Murphy
INT. Bentick DeLuca Hansen/Gibbs(1st round pick) F.DeLuca ( PSD )
BlueFeaver
10 Jul 2006, 18:34
Ah.....Id put the ball in Stevos hands in front of goal before ANYONE else in the team. He is one the best kicks in the league. Also take a look at the West Coast game for committment. Three players (including Houla) are standing around the action waiting for a feed. Stevo runs in gathers, delivers and subsequently gets nailed. GUTSY stuff. This Stevo bashing has got to stop. He is a genuine comitted player who, yes, occasionally dosent man up enough, but dont question is toughness or comittment. He has to run all day, has carried the midfield since he arrived (is only getting some relief now) and has had no reward or recognition.
To re-iterate Stevens is VERY tough and committed. Putting him in the houlahan basket is a joke, rating Houlahan higher than Stevo is even more so.
Sorry if this seems to come across as having a go directly at you, its more of a build up at the continuous stream of crap.
2cents.
Have you ever seen Stevens take a contested mark?
Have you ever seen Stevens lay a hip & shoulder?
He will run into a pack but will not put his head over the ball and take a hit.
Yes, Stevens is a good player and in a dominant side would probably be a absolute gun. But his commitment to a 50/50 situation has always been questionable even at Port. As to say you would put the ball in STevens hands before anyones in front of goals is madness. I didn't rate Houla as a better player than Stevens I just think Houla as a HFF/Mid offers good value, Stevens is alot more one dimensional in the sense he is a pure Mid. Plus not to mention he would have very good trade value compared to Houla.
Ah.....Id put the ball in Stevos hands in front of goal before ANYONE else in the team. He is one the best kicks in the league. Also take a look at the West Coast game for committment. Three players (including Houla) are standing around the action waiting for a feed. Stevo runs in gathers, delivers and subsequently gets nailed. GUTSY stuff. This Stevo bashing has got to stop. He is a genuine comitted player who, yes, occasionally dosent man up enough, but dont question is toughness or comittment. He has to run all day, has carried the midfield since he arrived (is only getting some relief now) and has had no reward or recognition.
To re-iterate Stevens is VERY tough and committed. Putting him in the houlahan basket is a joke, rating Houlahan higher than Stevo is even more so.
Sorry if this seems to come across as having a go directly at you, its more of a build up at the continuous stream of crap.
2cents.
How are you so sure about Stevens? To say he is very tough and committed is a very big call. I don't think he was ever thought of as tough even at Port. He is highly skilled but his defensive side is very poor and his toughness average at best.In my opinion Stevens had had far too much recognition for what he has produced.He has the ability to be a star but just doesn't consistently get the best out of what he has.
Also how is it that the opinions of others are crap and yours are not?
The Grover
11 Jul 2006, 14:13
Whitnall certainly is an interesting topic. Personally I dont think the club will have the balls to trade him although we should certainly look to do so if the deal is fair and reasonable.
There won't be too many suitors, probably West Coast & the Bulldogs, with Melbourne a possibility depending on how they go in the finals.
Are they willing to offer a 1st Round Pick for Whitnall?..........unlikely, but having said that he might be enough to win them a Premiership in the next couple of years.
A Whitnall trade is definitely worth considering, would require a 1st round draft pick.
It will probably slow our push up the ladder in the short term, but may be more beneficial in pushing for a flag.
Very hard to get the right mix of players. If you use St.Kilda for example as well as getting the youngsters, they recruited Gehrig & Hamill. Would they have been better not to recruit them.
I couldn't imagine winning a premiership with only a handful of players over 25, therefore might be better to keep Lance.
Also when we can slot him back into forward line, he should continue to play well provided he keeps fit.
Walker cant stay in the back line, its just cruel to both him, the team and us.
Where is Wiggins ?
wiggins is one of the many emergencies listed
if you are winning the ball in the midfield it allows your HBF to be more attacking
IMO if we can strengthen our midfield, then we can utalise walkers run of HBF.
walker can become a very versatile player and cause of this he can be effective off HBF. he has pace and he has height and has shown he can be a defensive player on smalls and talls
the following players murphy, blackwell, bentick, stevens, houlihan are not as effiecient as walker at HBF, hence the reason i put him at HBF
we still need team balance and IMO walker at HBF can provide that for us.
this is not to say he won't play games in the midfield.
look at it like trying to utalise walker like adelaide have with mcleod.
BlueFeaver
11 Jul 2006, 17:35
wiggins is one of the many emergencies listed
if you are winning the ball in the midfield it allows your HBF to be more attacking
IMO if we can strengthen our midfield, then we can utalise walkers run of HBF.
walker can become a very versatile player and cause of this he can be effective off HBF. he has pace and he has height and has shown he can be a defensive player on smalls and talls
the following players murphy, blackwell, bentick, stevens, houlihan are not as effiecient as walker at HBF, hence the reason i put him at HBF
we still need team balance and IMO walker at HBF can provide that for us.
this is not to say he won't play games in the midfield.
look at it like trying to utalise walker like adelaide have with mcleod.
Walker is very appealing as a HBF but I think this approach maybe a little re-active. Yes he will give us run from the back half, but my point is so will Russell and more importantly Bower will also. The idea of Walker playing as mid may seem a little far feched at present but think about all his attributes. This is where he will be the next Kouta, he has pace, endurance, strength, height and my fav natural aggression. I'm not talking about putting him on the wing, I'm talking as a rover or centre. Imagine his break away pace from a pack, not to mention if he gets tagged the ability to drag them forward to a marking contest. It is time to take the reigns off Walker, throw him in the centre and let him get the ball. Rather than him concentrating on stopping someone else. Just give him the instruction "get the ball first".
untapped
12 Jul 2006, 14:04
Out: Chambers Sporn Teague Davies Longmuir Bryan Livingston Koutoufides Whitnall Prendergast Smith Batson
In: F.Deluca Hansen O'Brien Connors Boak Urquhart Renouf T. Houlihan Millar Flint
B: Simpson Thornton Carrazzo
HB: Russell Hansen(pick 2) Bower
C: Walker Bentick Scotland
HF: Waite Kennedy Fisher
F: Betts Fevola Blackwell
R: French Stevens Murphy
I/C from: Lappin Hartlett Bannister A.Deluca Flint Edwards Houlihan McLaren Wiggins :) Setanta Saddington McGrath B.O'Brien (pick 18) Connors (pick 20) Boak Urquhart (picks traded for Whitnall ;) ) Renouf (pick 36 - a ruckman :eek: ) Tim Houlihan (pick 52 - Paf's pick ;) ) Zac Millar(pick 68 :confused: ) F.Deluca PSD ;)
I think you've picked it well. However a few things into account:
Port have said that Fabian Duluca is likely to step up to the second ruck spot in the next 2 years and is planned to be number one after more time. They will not let him go.
With age catching up to Barnaby French despite what has been said about Chirs "WOOF" Bryan's commitment. He should be retained as his rucking skills have improve out of sight, has far better mobility than A. Deluca and in the Bullants has shown ability to play Ruck, Back and Forward. He is a great back up and possible starter for the next few years till the kids come along more.
Whitnall being traded is not the right move you lose to might much for an unlikely return. By far it is he and thronton that have held the backline together. When the new blood are ready to take over in the back line, Lance moves forward where his football smarts shine again. We have seen in few chances when Fev and lance are in the same forward line they create special things together. A brain like Whitnalls is rare to find. he stays.
Questions marks will come up next season on Saddington, Lappin, Mclaren, and McGrath, lets hope all play to their potential.
One last note that you might be interested in Setanta's development is rumoured to be taking longer than coaching staff had expected and are at a loss with what to do. Persist and hope he is able to give more than a few years by the time he is ready or open up a spot for one of the rookies for next year
At the Bullants he has shown ability to create from the backline and lose opentants with blind turns. He tried this against Geelong but kept lossing his footing at the dome. If he holds his feet confidence will rise and he backs himself more.