View Full Version : No top ten picks !!??
Leaping Lindner
7 Jul 2006, 11:34
This made for interesting reading over the morning coffee. This article was in this Morning's Herald Sun. FWIW I tend to find Jon Anderson one of the more Victorian-centric journos so it made a pleasant read.
Building a super team without top 10 picks
07 July 2006 Herald-Sun
Jon Anderson
THERE is a misconception in Victoria that Adelaide's current AFL dominance has come on the back of some favourable draft concessions.
Nothing could be further from the truth as evidenced as recently as last weekend when Adelaide was the only AFL team not to have two or more top-10 draft picks in its 22.
In fact, the Crows didn't have one that was drafted top 10 by themselves and only Kris Massie as someone drafted top 10 elsewhere (Carlton, No.7 in 1997).
That's in comparison to clubs such as Collingwood (eight) with Chris Egan, Alan Didak, Josh Fraser, Scott Pendlebury, Simon Prestigiacomo and Chris Tarrant, plus Anthony Rocca and Shane O'Bree from elsewhere (Dale Thomas was rested) and Fremantle and Hawthorn with seven each.
Only Brent Reilly (No.12) and Brett Burton (16) were drafted at national level in the first round, proving that it isn't all about getting the top picks.
It's a credit to Adelaide recruiting manager James Fantasia and his network and to a coaching and fitness staff that can then turn modestly credentialled draftees into an awesome outfit.
They have scoured the country to piece together the current Adelaide side, although a heavy emphasis has been placed on the SANFL competition and Woodville-West Torrens in particular.
That club has been the source of Rhett Biglands, Nathan Bock, Brett Burton, Trent Hentschel, Ken McGregor, Robert Shirley, Hayden Skipworth and Bernie Vince.
Yes, they did get two club legends in Ben Hart and Mark Ricciuto as pre-draft selections in their early years and have reaped the benefits.
But their empire has been largely built on canny drafting and trading, with the rookie and pre-season drafts particularly bountiful.
When you pick up three homegrowns in Nathan Bock, Martin Mattner and Ben Rutten in one rookie draft (2002) you have the basis of a defence.
That trio were playing in the SANFL prompting ``they hid them away'' comments from the cynics. Such criticism is a nonsense given all three were available to 15 other clubs and if Adelaide was so keen on them, why take the risk by not drafting them in the first place?
The other factor is a coach in Neil Craig who right now sits somewhere alongside Vince Lombardi, Sir Alex Ferguson and Casey Stengel.
Craig will know only too well the current media love affair with him will sour very quickly should he not take the Crows to this year's flag.
The time is now for he has players such as Nathan Bassett at 29, Tyson Edwards (29) Ben Hart (32) Andrew McLeod (29) and Mark Ricciuto ((31).
Even Craig's recruitment came with a minimum of fuss and dollars given he was already assistant to Gary Ayres when the latter chose to walk out on his contract in 2004.
THERE is a misconception in Victoria that Adelaide's current AFL dominance has come on the back of some favourable draft concessions.
Jeez I wish we on BF got paid for trolling.:rolleyes:
It's a credit to Adelaide recruiting manager James Fantasia and his network I am sure somewhere a few of us on this board are cringing at this :D
They have scoured the country to piece together the current Adelaide side, although a heavy emphasis has been placed on the SANFL competition and Woodville-West Torrens in particular. Hey PrideOf...looks like this journo reads BF and your contribution to my thread the other day ;)
Craig will know only too well the current media love affair with him will sour very quickly should he not take the Crows to this year's flag. Interesting comment and one that can only be truly realised after September... I dont know if I as a supporter ''expect'' a flag this year but I do know the club should improve on last years finish position
The time is now for he has players such as Nathan Bassett at 29, Tyson Edwards (29) Ben Hart (32) Andrew McLeod (29) and Mark Ricciuto ((31). This is the driving force and for me one reason they are all , Hart injury aside, having stellar seasons.
birdmanptr
7 Jul 2006, 12:02
This made for interesting reading over the morning coffee. This article was in this Morning's Herald Sun. FWIW I tend to find Jon Anderson one of the more Victorian-centric journos so it made a pleasant read.
Building a super team without top 10 picks
07 July 2006 Herald-Sun
Jon Anderson
THERE is a misconception in Victoria that Adelaide's current AFL dominance has come on the back of some favourable draft concessions.
Nothing could be further from the truth as evidenced as recently as last weekend when Adelaide was the only AFL team not to have two or more top-10 draft picks in its 22.
In fact, the Crows didn't have one that was drafted top 10 by themselves and only Kris Massie as someone drafted top 10 elsewhere (Carlton, No.7 in 1997).
That's in comparison to clubs such as Collingwood (eight) with Chris Egan, Alan Didak, Josh Fraser, Scott Pendlebury, Simon Prestigiacomo and Chris Tarrant, plus Anthony Rocca and Shane O'Bree from elsewhere (Dale Thomas was rested) and Fremantle and Hawthorn with seven each.
Only Brent Reilly (No.12) and Brett Burton (16) were drafted at national level in the first round, proving that it isn't all about getting the top picks.
It's a credit to Adelaide recruiting manager James Fantasia and his network and to a coaching and fitness staff that can then turn modestly credentialled draftees into an awesome outfit.
They have scoured the country to piece together the current Adelaide side, although a heavy emphasis has been placed on the SANFL competition and Woodville-West Torrens in particular.
That club has been the source of Rhett Biglands, Nathan Bock, Brett Burton, Trent Hentschel, Ken McGregor, Robert Shirley, Hayden Skipworth and Bernie Vince.
Yes, they did get two club legends in Ben Hart and Mark Ricciuto as pre-draft selections in their early years and have reaped the benefits.
But their empire has been largely built on canny drafting and trading, with the rookie and pre-season drafts particularly bountiful.
When you pick up three homegrowns in Nathan Bock, Martin Mattner and Ben Rutten in one rookie draft (2002) you have the basis of a defence.
That trio were playing in the SANFL prompting ``they hid them away'' comments from the cynics. Such criticism is a nonsense given all three were available to 15 other clubs and if Adelaide was so keen on them, why take the risk by not drafting them in the first place?
The other factor is a coach in Neil Craig who right now sits somewhere alongside Vince Lombardi, Sir Alex Ferguson and Casey Stengel.
Craig will know only too well the current media love affair with him will sour very quickly should he not take the Crows to this year's flag.
The time is now for he has players such as Nathan Bassett at 29, Tyson Edwards (29) Ben Hart (32) Andrew McLeod (29) and Mark Ricciuto ((31).
Even Craig's recruitment came with a minimum of fuss and dollars given he was already assistant to Gary Ayres when the latter chose to walk out on his contract in 2004.
Bruce Eva must have had this article last night as most of this was said last night on his radio show When talking about the Crows.
Like i have always said does the draft work?
The answer is no perfect example ST.KILDA
Hey PrideOf...looks like this journo reads BF and your contribution to my thread the other day ;)
A journo pinching material from the BF board to look more informed than they actually are? No!!!! :eek:
* waves to Jon Anderson *
Hey Jon, can you use the word serendipitous in your next column?
;)
dyertribe
7 Jul 2006, 16:55
THERE is a misconception in Victoria that Adelaide's current AFL dominance has come on the back of some favourable draft concessions.
Draft concessions?! The Adelaide Football Club?!
Hahaha... when was this supposed to have occurred?
Our highest pick ever was Angwin at #7 or #8 and then Tom Gilligan at #9 or #10 (both absolute superstars) wasn't it?
Unless he's pulled this line out of his arse as a neat seguey into his article, he should name and shame the buffoons who have made such a clueless statement.
Perhaps these unnamed d#ckheads have been in Vlad and Gheydrian's ear? - "Don't let them have Bryce... they've already had a stack of first rounders... I mean, look how good they are now!"
THERE is a misconception in Victoria that Adelaide's current AFL dominance has come on the back of some favourable draft concessions.
Funny don't seem to ever hear in Melbourne about people complaining about these favourable draft concessions....actaully when Victorians talk about the Adelaide list the term "underneath the radar" seems to be in vogue.
The Crows Truth
7 Jul 2006, 19:19
Draft concessions?! The Adelaide Football Club?!
Hahaha... when was this supposed to have occurred?
There was a perception a few yrs ago DT that the Crows had had it good with initial draft/moratorium concessions - roo/hart/rehn/modra/wellman(jarman) etc etc
certainly not the case now
Wayne's-World
7 Jul 2006, 20:52
Was a great article - pity we couldn't post the list of players and their year of drafting/trade ect.
Great reading, spot on journalism and very very interesting reading :thumbsu:
Wayne's-World
7 Jul 2006, 20:54
A journo pinching material from the BF board to look more informed than they actually are? No!!!! :eek:
* waves to Jon Anderson *
Hey Jon, can you use the word serendipitous in your next column?
;)
Article had no origins off Big Footy - don't criticisze it because it was a pro Adelaide article and IMO great reading
There was a perception a few yrs ago DT that the Crows had had it good with initial draft/moratorium concessions - roo/hart/rehn/modra/wellman(jarman) etc etc
certainly not the case now
Of all the exspansion clubs only our Neighbours had a rougher deal:eek:
DT's response is why I think that article was a journalists version of a troll.:rolleyes:
The Crows Truth
7 Jul 2006, 22:14
Of all the exspansion clubs only our Neighbours had a rougher deal:eek:
DT's response is why I think that article was a journalists version of a troll.:rolleyes:
Did Freo get a better deal than us? I didnt realise this :confused:
I know West Coast certainly did - in a big way!
Bue either way it was our initial concessions - which we used very wisely overall in terms of youngsters - allowed us to almost win the bloody thing in only our 3rd year.
Did Freo get a better deal than us? I didnt realise this :confused:
I know West Coast certainly did - in a big way!
Bue either way it was our initial concessions - which we used very wisely overall in terms of youngsters - allowed us to almost win the bloody thing in only our 3rd year.
Have a look at our premiership sides but.:eek:
The Crows Truth
7 Jul 2006, 23:10
Have a look at our premiership sides but.:eek:
:confused: what do you mean?
:confused: what do you mean?
Well James,Ellen,Vardy,samson,goodwin,edwards,johnson,bond,d jarman,mcleod and maybe a couple others were all drafted /traded without the establishment concessions.
basset the next flag too:rolleyes:
Article had no origins off Big Footy - don't criticisze it because it was a pro Adelaide article and IMO great reading
No just highlighting the fact that a thread was made about players drafted by clubs and PrideOf relayed that WWT gave the most..to see the stat appear in the paper a few days later was amusing
Well James,Ellen,Vardy,samson,goodwin,edwards,johnson,bond,d jarman,mcleod and maybe a couple others were all drafted /traded without the establishment concessions.
basset the next flag too:rolleyes:
actually more than one of those players was acquired using assets obtained through concessions. i.e. James, Jarman, Mcleod.
Sampson doesn't belong in this conversation - he's hardly a prime mover in our flags.
Wayne's-World
8 Jul 2006, 09:01
No just highlighting the fact that a thread was made about players drafted by clubs and PrideOf relayed that WWT gave the most..to see the stat appear in the paper a few days later was amusing
PC what was posted here was only half of the article....IMO it was more about how the current team was formed between players drafted, traded ect.
Interesteing that on average we have one player per year who was actually drafted in the National Draft in the current team.....the rest are from PS drafts, trades ect.
The emphasis was not on how many players from SA clubs were provided.
Article had no origins off Big Footy - don't criticisze it because it was a pro Adelaide article and IMO great reading
Hi Jon. :p
Wayne's-World
8 Jul 2006, 17:32
Hi Jon. :p
:confused:
CrowMagnum
9 Jul 2006, 00:36
Article had no origins off Big Footy - don't criticisze it because it was a pro Adelaide article and IMO great reading
Big Footy Thread 15th September 2005 - Adelaide Board
"Who needs high draft picks?"
Last week's team and how they were gained by the AFC shows that high draft picks may not be needed to win at least a minor premiership, with most coming from low picks, trades, rookie lists or the less sexy pre-season draft
B: Bassett (trade) Rutten (rookie), Johncock (pick 67)
HB: Hart (initial squad), Hentschel (preseason), Doughty (rookie)
C: Burton (pick 16), Ricciuto (initial), Mattner (rookie)
HF: McLeod (trade), McGregor (pick 75), Thompson (trade)
F: Edwards (preseason), Welsh (trade), Perrie (pick 49)
FOLL: Biglands (pick 36), Shirley (pick 67 & 56), Goodwin (preseason)
I/C: Clarke (trade), Skipworth (pick 53), Torney (trade), Bock (rookie)
EMG: Massie (trade), Maric (pick 40), Scott Stevens (trade)
dyertribe
9 Jul 2006, 19:12
There was a perception a few yrs ago DT that the Crows had had it good with initial draft/moratorium concessions - roo/hart/rehn/modra/wellman(jarman) etc etc
We'd already missed out on Kernahan, Bradley, Anderson, D. Jarman, Wanganeen, Francis, Russell, Hall, Platten... what were we supposed to come into the comp with?
Just go with Sturt's 1990 squad and hope to shank a gem or two in the ridiculously hit or miss days of the early draft system?
We'd already missed out on Kernahan, Bradley, Anderson, D. Jarman, Wanganeen, Francis, Russell, Hall, Platten... what were we supposed to come into the comp with?
Just go with Sturt's 1990 squad and hope to shank a gem or two in the ridiculously hit or miss days of the early draft system?
exactly right.
our concessions weren't especially favourable, but we were lucky that there were a few good 'uns amongst the crop.
guys like rehn, smart, hart & roo - 15 years on, and we know how rarely players of that ilk turn up. we just lucky that they were there at the time.
The Crows Truth
11 Jul 2006, 00:57
We'd already missed out on Kernahan, Bradley, Anderson, D. Jarman, Wanganeen, Francis, Russell, Hall, Platten... what were we supposed to come into the comp with?
Just go with Sturt's 1990 squad and hope to shank a gem or two in the ridiculously hit or miss days of the early draft system?
DT my point was from having spent a few yrs living in Mlb in the 90s and with Vic mates I can tell you first hand that the perception was the Crows had good early concessions. Im talking absolutes not relative here. Roo, Mods, Rehn, Pittman, Smart, Bickley, Jarman (Wellman) etc.
D Jarman was available to us when we entered the comp. The Hawks (and indeed Jars himself) backdoored us with this one after he had signed a letter of intent with the crows