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The White Tiger
19 Jul 2006, 08:08
Would love to pick this guy up and bring him to Richmond and give him a chance, change of scenery might do him good. Already got one P1ss cat, why not two.
Truetiger
19 Jul 2006, 09:26
No thanks. I think he has had more then enough chances with wc. We dont want Problems or trouble at our club that he would bring.
The Dice Man
19 Jul 2006, 09:28
Agree Truetiger.
No way do we want someone like him at the club. Imagine he and Jay Schulz cruisin about town!
No friggen way!
Difficult to choose words carefully - there is no way that Gardiner will be touched by any AFL club. He is extremely damaged goods and let's just leave it there.
Bojangles17
19 Jul 2006, 10:36
Would love to pick this guy up and bring him to Richmond and give him a chance, change of scenery might do him good. Already got one P1ss cat, why not two.
why would we want to undo all the good work thats been achieved in ridding the club of characters like him. Refer to one of the keystones to the swans rise to premieres last year "No Dic_khead policy"...makes a whole lota sense...will be interesting to see whether in fact it's still in vogue as one Nick Davis appears to have crossed the line
Harvey Leadpipe
19 Jul 2006, 10:48
Ummmm, No. The only thing Rober Downey Jr. would be good for would be the end of season trip.
can't believe you started this moronic thread.
True Thylacine
19 Jul 2006, 11:18
Great idea...get him Nick Davis and Aker, just what we need around the club as it rebuilds its youth. Nothing like setting the kids attitude int he right direction.
Darth_Tiger
19 Jul 2006, 11:40
nah. been down that road. gardiner has shown that he wont learn.
Punt_Road_Roar
19 Jul 2006, 11:54
Would love to pick this guy up and bring him to Richmond and give him a chance, change of scenery might do him good. Already got one P1ss cat, why not two.
No way get ******, **** off !!!! :mad: :thumbsd:
Kurtis G
19 Jul 2006, 12:11
Aside from all Gardiners faults....
we dont need another ruckman.
Bentleigh
19 Jul 2006, 12:54
Aside from all Gardiners faults....
we dont need another ruckman.
People forget very quickly.. Gardiner is not just another ruckman. Before getting hurt he was the AFLs outstanding ruckman, #1 in the comp.
Stafford is about to hang the boots up, Knobel is average and Patto is only a 2nd year player.
Gardiner is only 27yoa, a ruckmans prime. a ruck partnership of Simmonds in his current form, and Gardiner in his 2004ish (?) form would go a long way to us being a top 4 side next season.
Gardiner is his old form would be a huge bonus to our side.
That said we have a no dykehead policy (and rightly so), thus there is little chance we would have a crack at him.
Bentleigh
19 Jul 2006, 12:57
Great idea...get him Nick Davis and Aker, just what we need around the club as it rebuilds its youth. Nothing like setting the kids attitude int he right direction.
Fair point, but Davis, Aka & Gardiner are 3 pretty decent footballers.
Could have used them last week.
People forget very quickly.. Gardiner is not just another ruckman. Before getting hurt he was the AFLs outstanding ruckman, #1 in the comp.
Stafford is about to hang the boots up, Knobel is average and Patto is only a 2nd year player.
Gardiner is only 27yoa, a ruckmans prime. a ruck partnership of Simmonds in his current form, and Gardiner in his 2004ish (?) form would go a long way to us being a top 4 side next season.
Gardiner is his old form would be a huge bonus to our side.
That said we have a no dykehead policy (and rightly so), thus there is little chance we would have a crack at him.
That's the thing though, he was an outstanding ruckman, it's been a long time since he's shown that. As much as a risk it is with his personality, it's equally as much a risk with his body, he's played only 18 games in the last 3 seasons, never managed a full season, there are no guarantees that he will ever get back to that form.
In short, this is the easiest decision the club should ever have to make:
1. no dyckhead policy
2. no risks on injury prone players
3. no recruiting players over 25
Parabola
19 Jul 2006, 14:24
I agree with you Jezza,
Gardnier used to be a very solid contributor but he doesn't play with any passion, he doesn't learn from his mistakes and he's not a team player.
I think we would all love him to play great footy for the tiges but at his age and from his previous record it's not worth the risk.
Definatly do not recruit players over 25!!!! We have made that mistake in the past and recieved players for a year or two, then they retire and we look like d1ckheads. example, Leon Cameron, Mark Graham, Justin BUMFIELD etc, etc.
Spot on Jezza! YEW BEWTAY!!!
C'ARN THE TIGES!!!
That's the thing though, he was an outstanding ruckman, it's been a long time since he's shown that. As much as a risk it is with his personality, it's equally as much a risk with his body, he's played only 18 games in the last 3 seasons, never managed a full season, there are no guarantees that he will ever get back to that form.
In short, this is the easiest decision the club should ever have to make:
1. no dyckhead policy
2. no risks on injury prone players
3. no recruiting players over 25
And no losers :thumbsd:
Bentleigh
19 Jul 2006, 14:34
I agree with you Jezza,
Gardnier used to be a very solid contributor but he doesn't play with any passion, he doesn't learn from his mistakes and he's not a team player.
I think we would all love him to play great footy for the tiges
He was more than a 'very solid contributor', pre-knee reco he was the best ruckman running around.
but at his age and from his previous record it's not worth the risk.
At this age?
He is 27. The prime for a ruckman.
Definatly do not recruit players over 25!!!! We have made that mistake in the past and recieved players for a year or two, then they retire and we look like d1ckheads. example, Leon Cameron, Mark Graham, Justin BUMFIELD etc, etc.
Spot on Jezza! YEW BEWTAY!!!
C'ARN THE TIGES!!!
Unlike Cameron etc. Gardiner would be free, won't cost draft picks.
Punt_Road_Roar
19 Jul 2006, 14:54
The Frankenstein version of Ty Zantuck
No thanks :thumbsd:
At this age?
He is 27. The prime for a ruckman.
Not prime when you're coming off that many serious injuries. Plenty of players never get back to their peak.
Bentleigh
19 Jul 2006, 15:01
Not prime when you're coming off that many serious injuries. Plenty of players never get back to their peak.
Correct.
But at his best Gardiner would command a #1 draft pick. The best ruckman in the AFL (which he clearly was pre-knee injury) in their prime are a rare thing. To get him on free would be huge, assuming he refound that form.
We shouldn't go after him for the reasons mentioned but which ever club does take the gamble will get huge rewards if he stops being a prat and gets his old form back.
Kurtis G
19 Jul 2006, 15:10
Correct.
But at his best Gardiner would command a #1 draft pick. The best ruckman in the AFL (which he clearly was pre-knee injury) in their prime are a rare thing. To get him on free would be huge, assuming he refound that form.
We shouldn't go after him for the reasons mentioned but which ever club does take the gamble will get huge rewards if he stops being a prat and gets his old form back.
St. Kilda.
Surely.
Bentleigh
19 Jul 2006, 15:16
St. Kilda.
Surely.
I would think so - just what the doctor ordered.
If he can get to 50% of his 2004 form he'd be a massive get for the Sainters.
As we know Rix is decent but nothing special. Brooks & Ackland are hacks.
Coughlan
19 Jul 2006, 15:52
what a great idea this is, perfect role model for all the up and coming players on our list to look up to:cool: no way should we get him unless he was willing to undergo a brain transplant
The Dice Man
19 Jul 2006, 15:58
But at his best Gardiner would command a #1 draft pick. The best ruckman in the AFL (which he clearly was pre-knee injury) in their prime are a rare thing. To get him on free would be huge, assuming he refound that form.
You just dont get it!
He is not 'at his best' and never will be again. His attitude stinks!
He is NOT pre-injury.. Pre-iunjury, get it? THATS PRE, we are now past PRE-Injury and he is now nowhere near being the best ruckman.
You can assume he refind his form, but I wouldnt take that risk.
Forgetting about his knee injury for a moment...his head aint right anyway. Look, when I was between 18-22 i did some pretty stupid stuff, but I grew out of it by the time I was 26. Gardiner is 27 and hasn't grown out of it which suggests he probably never will. I'm prepared to forgive kids making mistakes providing they learn from them. Gardiner is still making mistakes at 27...a point in his life when he should have learned a lot but hasn't.
Parabola
19 Jul 2006, 16:12
I think any club that gets Gardiner will regret it.
You can look at the situation like a "romantic" and say, "but he's in his prime" and "he was the best", or you can look at it like a "realist" and realize that he's all rusted up and that it's pure wishfull thinking to believe that he can change.
I think he's a frustrated, dishonest player. He know's the rules just like everyone else. It's ok for someone to make a mistake once. But there is no excuse for making the same stupid mistake twice.
He gets himself in too much trouble and obviously doesn't care about the loyalty of club pride.
He's just floating around and accepting his paycheck not caring about anyone esle but himself. Richmond is a team that works for each other. When players get selfish we get rid of them. Ottens thought he was worth more than Kerry Packer, so we got rid of him and it was a brilliant move by Richmond.
Maybe gardiner should just walk away and become.... well, a "gardiner!".
Punt_Road_Roar
19 Jul 2006, 16:24
Will the guy actually learn anything if he gets rewarded by getting pickup by another team? I doubt it.
Likewise if the Eagles decide to play him again this year, the guy thinks he can do just about anything he wants now, if the Eagles bring him back in a fortnights time does he really learn anything from his continual mistakes?
Hardly.
Interesting thing I heard on the Radio this morning, they were reading an interview that Cousins did for a magazine recently talking about how he let everyone down regarding the run benny run incident, he basically claimed he doesnt care if he let's people down he only cares if he lets down family and friends, also said that he knows in the future there will be more negative indiscretions but thats all part of life...... this from a guy who lost his captaincy and was the butt of all jokes at the start of the year in Perth.
Is there some kind of mental problem at West Coast with their players? They must all think their $hit dont stink, just like Judd coming out and saying he isnt a role model and doesnt want to be a role model for anyone, well I am sorry he plays a national sport he doesnt get to choose whether he is a role model or not its a game where kids pick their favourite players, unfortunately for Judd once he put his name down to be drafted there was a high chance that he would have thousands of kids idolising him.
I think he has downe syndrome and wasn't drunk at all
Goldust
19 Jul 2006, 16:41
:) MORE chance of Richard Lounder, Ty Esler or Steven McKee assuming the ruck duties for the yellow and black next season than this moron!!!!!!!:)
Richo83
19 Jul 2006, 17:09
Unlike Cameron etc. Gardiner would be free, won't cost draft picks.
There isn't such thing as a free player. Paying Gardiner's Contracta and the salary cap restrictions means that we would have to cut him some of Richmond's total salary and take away from some of the young guns (Deledio, Polo)
Parabola
19 Jul 2006, 17:16
Spot on Richo83 :thumbsu:
You don't have to read too much between the lines (http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/07/18/1153166383512.html)to know his career is over.
His only way back in would be to prove himself with a WAFL club (both on and off-field) for a year and hope someone takes a chance on him in the 2007 draft.
TigerFan
19 Jul 2006, 17:51
don't be surprised if he ends up a Bomber
don't be surprised if he ends up a Bomber
Not after Zantuck. Sheedy may want to, but he will be over-ruled. Zantuck took a couple down with him by all accounts.
TigerFan
19 Jul 2006, 17:57
Not after Zantuck. Sheedy may want to, but he will be over-ruled. Zantuck took a couple down with him by all accounts.
picking up Gardiner and getting a couple of good seasons out of him would be a very Sheedy thing to do though :thumbsu:
I very highly doubt Gardiner will play AFL football again, but if he does, my money's on Essendon
The Dice Man
19 Jul 2006, 17:59
I loved this paragraph in the Age article Weaver linked...
Crucially, first ruckman Dean Cox is out with a broken collarbone. Gardiner had returned from exile to take his place, and the Eagles were depending on him. It is as well that they are only playing Collingwood this week.
He shoots and Scores:D:D:D
True Thylacine
19 Jul 2006, 18:05
I loved this paragraph in the Age article Weaver linked...
He shoots and Scores:D:D:D
Yep I agree. They need a ruckman bad and MM is just the mentor for a West Australian who has lost his way!
Punt_Road_Roar
19 Jul 2006, 18:10
Yep I agree. They need a ruckman bad and MM is just the mentor for a West Australian who has lost his way!
Not to mention he would fit in well at Collingwood with their TAC sponsorship and "speed kills" moto. :thumbsu:
Dont want to go near him for reasons we dont speak of and his latest work. Just wouldnt be confident in him.
TigerFan
19 Jul 2006, 18:13
Not to mention he would fit in well at Collingwood with their TAC sponsorship and "speed kills" moto. :thumbsu:
to which 'speed' do you refer? :D
seems Mikey is partial to both kinds
rfctigerarmy
19 Jul 2006, 18:24
Fair point, but Davis, Aka & Gardiner are 3 pretty decent footballers.
Could have used them last week.
Not in a 2008-09 Grand Final.
Goldust
19 Jul 2006, 18:39
:) GARDINER has a malignant case of stupidity!:)
Matty Knights
19 Jul 2006, 22:00
You should hear his old man call the races at Albany and Mt Barker he gets it so wrong sometimes. I never rip up any ticket until correct weight is sounded these days when he calls. Many a time have i been seen sifting through the bins at the tab looking for a third place getting ticket that Rennie has called running 5th or 6th..:eek:
moronic Is as does and says
Does not even warrant conversation
Bentleigh
19 Jul 2006, 22:24
Not in a 2008-09 Grand Final.
'08:
Davis - 28 yoa
Aka - 31 yoa
Gardiner - 29 yoa
I think he has downe syndrome and wasn't drunk at allAlexander or Bob?
I didn`t know he was a pent up gay man with a penchant for sharp suits :confused:
TheBacko
19 Jul 2006, 22:25
You just dont get it!
He is not 'at his best' and never will be again. His attitude stinks!
He is NOT pre-injury.. Pre-iunjury, get it? THATS PRE, we are now past PRE-Injury and he is now nowhere near being the best ruckman.
You can assume he refind his form, but I wouldnt take that risk.
i agree i wouldn't expect him to ever find that form again, no matter how many chances he gets.
when stafford retires at years end, we just might elevate angus graham from the rookie list. thats definatly a better option than recruiting this washed-up troublemaker.
The White Tiger
27 Jul 2006, 14:47
can't believe you started this moronic thread.Great to see Jason Dunstall, 4 time premiership player, a true LEGEND and CHAMPION of the game as well as a top administrator come out on the footy show and say that Hawthorn will look at recruiting Gardiner. This guy KNOWS what he's talking about, KNOWS what you need to do to win flags, any and everything in your power. He is an EXPERT, not like all you arm chair champions. Now who's a MORON?
tigerdan
27 Jul 2006, 14:51
not like all you arm chair champions. Now who's a MORON?
Does that make you an arm chair champion as well?
Dunstall is probably trying to put pressure on Everitt to re-sign. They want to give him a one-year deal and he is refusing to sign it.
No club in the league will touch Gardiner.
Great to see Jason Dunstall, 4 time premiership player, a true LEGEND and CHAMPION of the game as well as a top administrator come out on the footy show and say that Hawthorn will look at recruiting Gardiner. This guy KNOWS what he's talking about, KNOWS what you need to do to win flags, any and everything in your power. He is an EXPERT, not like all you arm chair champions. Now who's a MORON?
Never said you were a moron. Not my style to abuse people. Just said the thread was moronic, which was probably being a bit harsh. Let's face it...we're all armchair champions. If you think that recruiting Gardiner will help the club then good luck to you. I am glad you are well and truly in the minority.
Bojangles17
27 Jul 2006, 15:00
Dunstall is probably trying to put pressure on Everitt to re-sign. They want to give him a one-year deal and he is refusing to sign it.
No club in the league will touch Gardiner.
rubbish they wont, id put some hard earned on it that a Melbourne based side will back the fact that take him out of home state and they might be a half reasonable chance of getting him on the straight and narrow. It's been done before...Lockett was a bad arse at the saints..and Pike also turned things around when he went to the Lions....He's young enough that there could plenty of mileage left in him and I would think he will come at a bargain basement 3rd round pick.
Dont really wanna see him at tigerland....I'd rather see us continue investing in youth
meownotroar
27 Jul 2006, 16:36
Don't we have enough gardeners in Melbourne? Why do we need to import one from WA- does he know how to grow superweed or something?
meownotroar
27 Jul 2006, 16:38
Don't we have enough Gardeners in Melbourne, why import one from the West? Does he know how to grow superweed or something?
itsintheblood
27 Jul 2006, 17:10
We heard you the first time son.
True Thylacine
27 Jul 2006, 17:18
We heard you the first time son.
Tough crowd lmao
Truetiger
27 Jul 2006, 18:02
Surely a side in the Western Australia Football League need a ruckman . As i think thats all he is good for now. Eather that or he spends his time helping out Charities or some other Vounteer work. Surely he would not stuff that up haha!
We dont want him at tigerland
Darth_Tiger
27 Jul 2006, 19:48
rofl. someone called dunstal an expert :D
Truetiger
27 Jul 2006, 19:52
rofl. someone called dunstal an expert :D
One L or 2 on the end of his name :P ... Dunstal or Dunstall?
metallichris
27 Jul 2006, 20:26
One L or 2 on the end of his name
Dunstal2?
Truetiger
27 Jul 2006, 21:32
Dunstal2?
Now, Now know need to be a smart arse you new what i meant :o ;)
Crumden
27 Jul 2006, 23:20
Great to see Jason Dunstall, 4 time premiership player, a true LEGEND and CHAMPION of the game as well as a top administrator come out on the footy show and say that Hawthorn will look at recruiting Gardiner. This guy KNOWS what he's talking about, KNOWS what you need to do to win flags, any and everything in your power. He is an EXPERT, not like all you arm chair champions. Now who's a MORON?You mean the same bloke that thought Clarkson was a better choice for coach than Wallace, Eade and Ayres thinks Gardiner would be a great pick up? WOW!
pantsdown
28 Jul 2006, 00:48
Gaddy Lyon was on the money in regards to Gardiner possibly heading to a certain vic club, mind you Gaddy and Gardy do have a fair bit in common from what has been going round the traps.;)
Runandhyde
28 Jul 2006, 02:29
If the price is right for him why not?
It would have to be under the strictest of contratc however. No Chances, you make a mistake, you out sort of thing.
In his day he was a champion. Everyone deserves a second chance. He has a few months to sort himself out and hopefully reconstruct his life.
Imagine Simmonds and him interchanging thru the ruck with a developed deledio, Tambo, Meyer, Hyde, Cogs, Jon, and co feeding off them.
We would be unstopable!!!
The White Tiger
29 Jul 2006, 08:05
You mean the same bloke that thought Clarkson was a better choice for coach than Wallace, Eade and Ayres thinks Gardiner would be a great pick up? WOW! My point Crum was that respected AFL people are looking at Gardiner, also Laidley and now Mark Williams, as i'm sure all teams are, even though they are not saying it. Brownie on the footy show said we dont need him, after just dribbling a retraction to his statement that we dont want Akermanis. He of all people should know that injury is only a game away and big competent ruckman are rare. With Stafford to retire, Patto still coming on, Knobel questionable, Gardiner is worth a punt IMO and has proven form. All i want is success for the Tigers, to see them regain their greatness and destroy all opposition. We should leave no stone unturned.
Jumpin' Jimmy
29 Jul 2006, 08:12
We should leave no stone unturned.
Gardiner is not the answer. He leaves no turn unstoned.
Darth_Tiger
29 Jul 2006, 10:34
jimmy you on fire boy :D
tomthetiger
29 Jul 2006, 14:20
Gardiner is not the answer. He leaves no turn unstoned.
LMAOOOOOOOO. very good.
It would have to be under the strictest of contratc however. No Chances, you make a mistake, you out sort of thing.
All player contracts in the AFL are the same.
In his day he was a champion. Everyone deserves a second chance. He has a few months to sort himself out and hopefully reconstruct his life.
He allready has had more second chances than any man deserves.
Truetiger
30 Jul 2006, 00:02
He allready has had more second chances than any man deserves.
Agree.
Yes I am all for giving people another chance. However he has had many So no more Chances for Gardiner.:thumbsd:
Crumden
30 Jul 2006, 00:03
My point Crum was that respected AFL people are looking at Gardiner, also Laidley and now Mark Williams, as i'm sure all teams are, even though they are not saying it. Brownie on the footy show said we dont need him, after just dribbling a retraction to his statement that we dont want Akermanis. He of all people should know that injury is only a game away and big competent ruckman are rare. With Stafford to retire, Patto still coming on, Knobel questionable, Gardiner is worth a punt IMO and has proven form. All i want is success for the Tigers, to see them regain their greatness and destroy all opposition. We should leave no stone unturned.Understand what you're saying White Tiger (except the bit about Williams and Laidley being respected AFL people :eek: ), and I think the club should look at every player that is out of contract or up for trade. But apart from his well-known social problems (some of which we aren't allowed to mention on here), there is a lot of doubt over whether Gardiner's body is still up to the rigours of AFL. Its been a few years now since he's put a consistent run of games together.