All Final Aker Discussions

[Grimreepah]

I assume that you Grim and John are in the medical/health field?

Actually, seeing that we're on BigFooty I am an astronaut.

or do you blindly believe everything that is said from the club.Its called spin I am afraid.

Until someone more informed comes along I will go with the professionals on this one. The club isn't the only one with an agenda;)

I have family in the Human Movement area, I am a nurse in ortho and doing a masters.I know my orto and injuries and sports science stuff. Why is it wrong to question.

It's not. It didn't seem to me that you were questioning, but rather you were stating, and I objected because... well you know.

Neil Craig has not increased their training mid season, its jus tnot done.He has specific workloads for specifics parts of the season, skills is worked on a lot midseason along with base fitness.

I remember the footy show last year doing a feature on Craig's fitness regime and this is exactly what he does. He steps up the intensity towards the end of the home and away season. The footy show commented that it was unusual but that his methods seem to work. I would expect other clubs to be looking at his methods and seeing if there is anything to learn from it.

[Snuka]

This article (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19922336-2722,00.html) by Darren Lockyer may be of interest to some...thought he made some good points. In particular this comment...

It is exactly the same off the park. When the Lions list was full of old hard-heads, who had been around the traps, Aker's out-there comments were just water off a duck's back. Most of them would have a chuckle and move on.
But it's not the same when you have a group of kids who are battling just to prove themselves as footballers. The actions of one person working outside the group can set a bad precedent for impressionable young guys.

[bullish23]

This article (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19922336-2722,00.html) by Darren Lockyer may be of interest to some...thought he made some good points. In particular this comment...


I agree. Lockyer's article was very good.

[beatnik]

akermais02,

thanks for your response...

There is no aliases, Jason does not get on here from my knowledge. I have akermanis02 and that's all there is, ask the admin people of the site!

obviously the site admins cant/wont confirm this either way but i appreciate your direct answer

To answer your question about the email. I wrote it just as I was about to go on lunch at work, I rushed it, I was annoyed/angry at this nuff nuff and I didn't write what I was intending in the proper way. Have you seen the full email? Do you know what was really said other than what was reported in the news? My thoughts and nobody elses follows....I labelled Leigh that due to him making a stupid mistake and having a go at Jason's poor form, yes, Jason wasn't playing the greatest at the start but he wasn't the worst but he was the first to be publicly ousted for it and it really got to me that Voss the Boss came out and said it instead of Leigh. I really felt sorry for Vossy that night watching read the statement...... All in all I stuffed up and I have said that to the papers and the radio...Hindsight is a b*#ch....On the other side of it, I didn't expect Tillo to put some of it out for everyone else to see either.....

I have said sorry to Jason and I can tell you that there wasn't a lot of kind words said to me..... I accept that, I'm not hiding from it.

you seem to pride yourself on being a 'straight shooter' so I am sure you will appreciate my directness in return

i dont believe you...

my suspicion is that you were the convenient fall guy and that you took a bullet for your brother but of course I am just a casual bystander and i am unable to prove it (for the record, i respect someone's loyalty to family and would probably do the same for mine)

but if what you say is true then it is good to know you have apologised to your bro - if it was my little brother, he would have copped a serious flogging...

to impersonate someone else is not just dishonest, it is illegal - but as a 'private d-ick', you would of course know this

Do you think I really have caused the club that much grief? and that's a serious question!

absolutely - it is my honest belief that this email was what turned this whole affair around...until then it was just 'slap on the wrist' stuff and just 'aker being aker'

until that email went out, I believe the whole thing could have blown over...but having an email like that in black and white is completely unacceptable from the club's point of view...

in my own opinion, I think it is hypocritical in the extreme for you or Jason to complain about the club taking a stance that you/he forced them into via that email

let me say this in unequivocal terms:

i blame your email for the final breakdown of this scenario - your actions put Jason and the club on an impossible course, one that no amount of reconciliation could bridge

therefore, i am not very surprised about you being very vocal on the issue ever since - in your position I would feel more than a shade of guilt knowing that my actions had turned a small drama into the impasse that would see a home-grown hero traded south amid controversy and, in the eyes of some, disgrace

Everyday you learn something new, sometimes the mistakes you make have bigger consequences and you learn from them quicker, I've learnt not to send people emails from someone elses email account....What have you learnt today?

I have learnt not to hide from my mistakes or to blame others for my actions

i have learnt that the two most important phrases i have are 'thank you' and 'sorry' and that pride is a horrible affliction when it turns to ego

i coach junior sport and have often seen examples where overzealous families get involved on their family member's behalf and generally end up messing things up due to the level of emotion involved

for the record I think you have some brass ones coming on here given the role you have played in the whole sorry tale but that wont bring back our champion and favourite Gabba entertainer

i am ultimately sadder than i am angry and hope that some modicum of dignity can be achieved by all parties

peace

[beatnik]

Oh for Pete's sake can we please stop fighting between all of us.

There are obviously some people who believe that we have far greater problems in our club than just the Aker issue, despite how huge a loss that is for us.

Some people here do have close connections with the club and know things and cannot say. Some people are purely speculating and interpreting to their way of belief and then slagging others for having a different opinion and calling them trolls

Some supporters follow a "club" and just believe and trust in what they are being fed is the "truth

...

Some people actually stand up and question things.

No one ever is going to agree on everything even when it comes down to the game, BOG, goal of the season, mark of the year etc etc.

Can we agree that it is dreadfully sad that Jason a) didn't get to play his 250th in front of all of us in a Lions jumper b) may not be a Lion next year (I know but where there's hope there's life:p )

Can we also agree that none of us know the "truth".

Everything dicsussed here is based on snippets of what some people know as fact, what some people believe something to mean and others purely hypothetical.

For the sake of all of our sanities can we please all take a few days off from this thread and others of the like and concentrate on this weekend's game against the Bombers and as they say in footy take it one game at a time.

Obviously if something else breaks we will need to discuss it.

Thoughts people? Can we chill out a bit and just enjoy the game on Saturday night and talk about that?

gee LL, it's not too much to ask for the moderator of the forum to display a slightly objective perspective is it?

i think that summary is an appallingly one-sided trivialisation of the anti-trolling campaign (a campaign that as a site admin, you should have been waging)

haven't you worked out that this is not about Aker or people agreeing or not disagreeing over issues? it is about the behaviour of certain posters and underperforming moderators on a LIONS board?

i have never had cause to criticise anyone on this board and have spent many hours, like many others, raising and discussing a range of issues related to the club I love

but i have seen a rise in posters seeking to assasinate the club by any means possible

sure they have the courage to 'raise' questions but never to back up with facts or to respond to those who reply with facts or who point out the flaws in the argument

either you dont actually read the posts on this board or there is some little mate's club that I am not party to

you have consistently refused to address any of the points I have raised even though I have quoted your own rules and 'commandments' to qualify my statements

i suggest that you start a new forum for you and your cronies..."The Jason Akermanis Board"

I will pop over every now and again and share my memories on what a brilliant player Aker was but I will spend most of my time talking about the Lions with those who want to be a part of the future

meanwhile, you could all sit around and b*tch and gossip about how the sky is about to fall down at the club while ripping up your season tickets in unison

peace

[Grimreepah]

IMO we somehow need an open conversation so we can hear what people's grievances are and try and work out a common understanding or compromise. I have tried to initiate this conversation in the zero tolerance thread, but I did not get a response.

I agree with beatnik that the thing in bold is not a fair statement, and is not an accurate reflection of where people stand. I also agree that this isn't to do with Aker, so it seems that there will always be tension until this issue gets resolved.

Maybe we can come up with a solution that is good for everyone:)

[AndrewJo]

I assume that you Grim and John are in the medical/health field?or do you blindly believe everything that is said from the club.Its called spin I am afraid.

I have family in the Human Movement area, I am a nurse in ortho and doing a masters.I know my orto and injuries and sports science stuff. Why is it wrong to question.

I ddin't question last season or the one beofre, because our training regimes were the norm.Now we are off base, from preseason to now.

Neil Craig has not increased their training mid season, its jus tnot done.He has specific workloads for specifics parts of the season, skills is worked on a lot midseason along with base fitness.

Ask the Crow players if the workload has been increased!! I have been to a few sessions and can assure you that they have been increased. Sessions have been closed as well.

[John]

Here you go (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257493):cool:

Of course:o.

[John]

From the Courier Mail (http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/story/0,20797,19949282-10389,00.html) today. "Akermanis was again unavailable for comment last night. It is believed any public comments on the issue would put at risk his $400,000-plus contract which has a year to run and remains Brisbane's responsibility to honour."
400,000 big ons:confused:. It was just so easy to be sensible!

Poster CeeBee mentioned an item from Rick Mitchell in Fridays Courier Mail. I was given a copy of this item this morning. Unfortunately there is no link and to type it out would not only be horrendous but mayby there are copyright issues. I have emailed him to see if I can get a copy and will post it for those of you, who like me only read the local rag on online. He articulated my thoughts. I hope he sends it to me so that you can read it if you have not been able to.

I found the question and answer session with Rory Akermanis intersting to say the least but in the end to use an old cliche it was like dancing with your sister. He said nothing of consequence and as he said himself what he knows he is not able to tell anyway. I was shocked that he thinks he did little damage to the club by this question here. "Do you think I really have caused the club that much grief? and that's a serious question!"
If he and Jason are alike then I suspect that tact may not be a trait that they understand.

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

It appears some have used purely circumstantial evidence and decided nothing less than an immediate execution is good enough for Acker. Very, very sad :(

Will he be remembered like some other famous people for their purported last words?

Jesus Christ - "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"

Alexander the Great - "There are no more other worlds to conquer"

Henry the Eighth - "So now all is gone - Empire, Body and Soul"

Roman Emperor Augustus - "Did I play my role well? If so, then applause, because the comedy is finished!"

Stonewall Jackson - "Let us pass over the river and rest in the shade of the trees"

Leonardo da Vinci - "I have offended God and mankind because my work did not reach the quality it should have"

Sir Winston Churchill - "What a fool I have been"

Ned Kelly - "Such is life"

Jason Akermanis - "The coach is a ****wit"

[John]

It appears some have used purely circumstantial evidence and decided nothing less than an immediate execution is good enough for Acker. Very, very sad :(

Will he be remembered like some other famous people for their purported last words?

Jesus Christ - "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"

Alexander the Great - "There are no more other worlds to conquer"

Henry the Eighth - "So now all is gone - Empire, Body and Soul"

Roman Emperor Augustus - "Did I play my role well? If so, then applause, because the comedy is finished!"

Stonewall Jackson - "Let us pass over the river and rest in the shade of the trees"

Leonardo da Vinci - "I have offended God and mankind because my work did not reach the quality it should have"

Sir Winston Churchill - "What a fool I have been"

Ned Kelly - "Such is life"

Jason Akermanis - "The coach is a ****wit"

Funny post Jimmy. But one thing remains clear, You do not watch our man on TV do you?
Do you want another funny. I watched some boxing last night and one of the fighters was from Japan. The ring announcer said "And from the Land Of the Long White Cloud....."

[kimp]

Look I realise that you are attempting humour, but to comapre Aker to any of those listed in really very disrespectful to their standing in history.

I was just wandering - how do you get things sent to Bay 13 (or whatever it is)?

Also whatever happened to the poster Susie?

[kimp]

Ask the Crow players if the workload has been increased!! I have been to a few sessions and can assure you that they have been increased. Sessions have been closed as well.

Very interesting. Thank you for confirming this.

[don vito of fitzroy]

I would suggest that Voss is frustrated like most fans because Aker would be such a great asset to continue to have at the club, but only if he could accomplish the seemingly simple task of not blabbing everything to the media. I don't see it as eratic, but rather trying to weigh up the good against the bad.

Part of the problem of discussing in house issues is that the media then ask other players difficult questions. When Voss gets asked 'do you want Aker in the team', it would be remiss of him to say 'no' even if that's what he thought, because it is important for a club to stay united.

This is the 2nd time you have stated this, so maybe there is something specific you are referring to.I will put it this way. I've been disappointed with Vossy this year. In recent weeks, he has been better on the field but in the first ten rounds or so, he was much slower and it didn't look like he could make a contribution. I'm not expecting a Vossy in peak form and he has been one of the hardest workers ever but this year has looked like a man out of steam. We are lacking another centreman with Hadley out but once Hadley returns next year or whoever will play in the centre, I'd prefer Vossy to move into a back or forward pocket.

In regards to the media situation, there was the first time when Aker was dropped this year and Vossy made the announcement. It would have been appropriate for Leigh to have made the announcement. Another thing is that I don't like it when a person keeps on changing their mind on an issue and when I see a person like Vossy do that, it's disappointing.

[Grimreepah]

I will put it this way. I've been disappointed with Vossy this year. In recent weeks, he has been better on the field but in the first ten rounds or so, he was much slower and it didn't look like he could make a contribution. I'm not expecting a Vossy in peak form and he has been one of the hardest workers ever but this year has looked like a man out of steam. We are lacking another centreman with Hadley out but once Hadley returns next year or whoever will play in the centre, I'd prefer Vossy to move into a back or forward pocket.

Voss' form is a seperate issue to Aker.

In regards to the media situation, there was the first time when Aker was dropped this year and Vossy made the announcement. It would have been appropriate for Leigh to have made the announcement.

I don't agree with this. Aker's comments meant that the media turned the issue into a Leigh vs Aker scenario. I can see why it would not have been appropriate for Leigh to make that press conference. Maybe the press conference wasn't a good idea at all, but if Leigh had done it I think there would have been even more turmoil at the club.

Another thing is that I don't like it when a person keeps on changing their mind on an issue and when I see a person like Vossy do that, it's disappointing.

You keep saying that but I have not seen this, so please provide a reference so I know what you're talking about.

[don vito of fitzroy]

You keep saying that but I have not seen this, so please provide a reference so I know what you're talking about.The Herald Sun in Melbourne. After the Kangas match, Vossy praised Aker and wanted him to stay. A few days before the Hawks match though, Aker was interviewed by Damien Barrett. It was a controversial interview and Voss later said he want Aker out.

[Grimreepah]

The Herald Sun in Melbourne. After the Kangas match, Vossy praised Aker and a few days before the Hawks match, Aker was interviewed by Damien Barrett. It was a controversial interview and Voss later said he want Aker out.

:confused: Well obviously he changed his mind at some point in time. As did 11 other people. Should they not have supported Aker to start or should they have supported him regardless?

[John]

The Herald Sun in Melbourne. After the Kangas match, Vossy praised Aker and wanted him to stay. A few days before the Hawks match though, Aker was interviewed by Damien Barrett. It was a controversial interview and Voss later said he want Aker out.

Funny I have read every thing Voss has written though if it is not on the net I could have missed it. How do I get to read this "controversial interview"? Is there an address I write to. I have google searched but have found nothing.

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Funny post Jimmy. But one thing remains clear, You do not watch our man on TV do you? " Yes, I do.

[John]

Yes, I do.

Then we will have to agree to disagree. :cool:

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Then we will have to agree to disagree. :cool: The fact you disagree does not make me feel like Robinson Crusoe :)

[John]

The fact you disagree does not make me feel like Robinson Crusoe :)

very good.:D.

What did you think of Aker on Qld Rules today?

[Ceebee]

Thought you would enjoy that article by Rick Mitchell, it was excellent wasn't it John

[John]

Thought you would enjoy that article by Rick Mitchell, it was excellent wasn't it John

It articlulated my thoughts Ceebee. I hope that I can get it posted on this thread.

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

John, please answer these questions for me.

As Ackers self-appointed judge, jury and executioner and, on the basis of hearsay and circumstantial evidence, have you unanimously found him guilty on 5 counts of gross misconduct?

Do you propose all 5 sentences be served concurrently, or cumulatively?

On the evening of Saturday 2nd September at the Gabba do you propose Acker be paraded in chains and leg-irons in front of a hostile Lions crowd?

Do you then plan to 1) flog him, 2) hang him like Ned Kelly, 3) shoot him with a firing squad, 4) crucify him on a cross like Jesus, and 5) burn him at the stake like Joan of Arc?

I personally think your obsession with him is becoming more and more like a personal vendetta. Please lighten up :rolleyes:

[John]

John, please answer these questions for me.

As Ackers self-appointed judge, jury and executioner and, on the basis of hearsay and circumstantial evidence, have you unanimously found him guilty on 5 counts of gross misconduct?

Do you propose all 5 sentences be served concurrently, or cumulatively?

On the evening of Saturday 2nd September at the Gabba do you propose Acker be paraded in chains and leg-irons in front of a hostile Lions crowd?

Do you then plan to 1) flog him, 2) hang him like Ned Kelly, 3) shoot him with a firing squad, 4) crucify him on a cross like Jesus, and 5) burn him at the stake like Joan of Arc?

I personally think your obsession with him is becoming more and more like a personal vendetta. Please lighten up :rolleyes:

Yes to all:rolleyes:. Can't help it. He has let me down.:rolleyes:

I am off to have tea and watch the game. Be good. :thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu:

[Rawhead]

I like the thumbs up.

Requesting more thumbs up as the season goes on pls.

[kimp]

John, please answer these questions for me.

As Ackers self-appointed judge, jury and executioner and, on the basis of hearsay and circumstantial evidence, have you unanimously found him guilty on 5 counts of gross misconduct?

Do you propose all 5 sentences be served concurrently, or cumulatively?

On the evening of Saturday 2nd September at the Gabba do you propose Acker be paraded in chains and leg-irons in front of a hostile Lions crowd?

Do you then plan to 1) flog him, 2) hang him like Ned Kelly, 3) shoot him with a firing squad, 4) crucify him on a cross like Jesus, and 5) burn him at the stake like Joan of Arc?

I personally think your obsession with him is becoming more and more like a personal vendetta. Please lighten up :rolleyes:

Well the 6 senior players of the match committee who know the facts have made the decision. If you believe in those 6 individuals then you should support their decision.

[Vipertooth]

I like the thumbs up.

Requesting more thumbs up as the season goes on pls.

Hey my sig on here is "GO LIONS :thumbsu: :thumbsu: :thumbsu: "

I cant believe u have not seen it! i post it all the time :D

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Well the 6 senior players of the match committee who know the facts have made the decision. If you believe in those 6 individuals then you should support their decision. They did not make "the decision".

I see them as firing squad members who carried out an execution under orders from higher authority :eek:

[Grimreepah]

They did not make "the decision".

I see them as firing squad members who carried out an execution under orders from higher authority :eek:

You're in the wrong thread Jimmy. You should have posted that here (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256629).

[campbell]

Could have used his brilliance last night in either the backline or a couple of goals to fire us up in the last quarter like his last match.

Fancy us losing to the bottom placed team, with Aka siting at home watching it, uninjured and fit.How sad.

[Grimreepah]

Could have used his brilliance last night in either the backline or a couple of goals to fire us up in the last quarter like his last match.

Fancy us losing to the bottom placed team, with Aka siting at home watching it, uninjured and fit.How sad.

Yes. It's always so sad:rolleyes:

Actually this year our winning percentage is higher without Aker than with him:cool:

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Look I realise that you are attempting humour, but to comapre Aker to any of those listed in really very disrespectful to their standing in history I was being serious Kimp.

When it comes to AFL Aker's standing in history more than compares. Even "God" was unable to win either a Brownlow or a flag when he played for Geelong :p

[John]

I was being serious Kimp.

When it comes to AFL Aker's standing in history more than compares. Even "God" was unable to win either a Brownlow or a flag when he played for Geelong :p

Eric Cantona played for Geelong?:confused:

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Eric Cantona played for Geelong?:confused: No, I think you are confusing him with Leigh Matthews when he played against Geelong :rolleyes:

[John]

No, I think you are confusing him with Leigh Matthews when he played against Geelong :rolleyes:

And you want me to lighten up.

[Ceebee]

Can't believe we have a Tiger supporter :confused: on our board giving us advice
How long is it since they won a premmiership? Did they win yesterday?
Unreal some people.

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Can't believe we have a Tiger supporter :confused: on our board giving us advice
How long is it since they won a premmiership? It's been a while but I can still remember how to spell it :D

[weevil]

Could have used his brilliance last night in either the backline or a couple of goals to fire us up in the last quarter like his last match.

Fancy us losing to the bottom placed team, with Aka siting at home watching it, uninjured and fit.How sad.Yes it is sad that he had to keep on breaking team rules and keep on breaking team rules, until he left the coaches and players no choice but to leave him out of the side.

If only he had listened and he had had more respect for team rules he would have played last night.

His brother said on this very forum that Aka realises he made a mistake. Did he make a mistake Campbell? Or do you think every AFL player should be allowed to publically talk about destabilising internal club issues whenever they want? He had opportunity after opportunity to pull his head in but he was just kept on putting his own interests ahead of the team’s.

He has finally shut up now though hasn’t he. How sad that he simply didn’t do this months ago, none of this ever would have happened.

Sad he made so many mistakes and sad he doesn’t want to play for us anymore.

[armagedon ready]

Yes it is sad that he wasnt there. I wonder if he felt any remorse as he watched his team battle without him. Some how I dont think so.

[Tezmyster]

Yes it is sad that he wasnt there. I wonder if he felt any remorse as he watched his team battle without him. Some how I dont think so.Why do you think Aka would have not wanted to be playing on Saturday night? Of course he would have wanted to play, he has played his whole career with Brisbane but now on the verge of it ending a dispute rises up and he is basically being shown the door. Thinking he has no remorse over what has happened is the probably the biggest insult you could possibly give him.

[armagedon ready]

You misunderstand me Tezmyster. I would never insult Jason, I have watched him play since he was a red headed kid and he has given me joy as a player.
I am sure he wanted to be out there and would have loved to be out there for any game for the remainder of the season.
I questioned whether he felt any remorse as in (a sense of guilt over a wrong one has done --- self reproach), I firmly believe that Jason just does not understand how he has contributed to this affair, he just doesnt get it and never has all year. He says he wants to make an apology but I am sure he still has no idea why things have come to this and he never will thus he and his brother continue to justify his every step. Some people are unable to reflect on their own actions and I think Jason is one of those people.
I believe that under that brash media persona is the charming, warm, sometimes vulnerable person he has always been and if he could have acknowleged to his team mates that he had some understanding of their concerns things would have been different, but he doesnt understand and so the circus continues.

[John]

Rick Mitchell Kindly gave me permission to post his Courier mail article.

See below. Moderators can delete this post.

[John]

Rick Mitchell Kindly gave me permission to post his Courier mail article. Thaks Rick.



Ask me to nominate the best twenty AFL goals I have seen over the last decade, and he has probably kicked a quarter of them.
He’s someone whose play I have enjoyed and applauded for years. I doubt if I have ever seen a more natural player than Jason Akermanis.
As a member of one of the greatest AFL sides ever, Aka’s place in football history is assured. After all, few players share the spoils of three consecutive championships. When his goal sealed the 2002 premiership over Collingwood, like many in this neck of the woods, I leapt to my feet and punched the air. When he dobbed that cracker from the boundary in the 2003 decider, I simply stared in disbelief at its audacity and brilliant execution.
Lately, much of what has been written about Aka has seen divided opinion. Some suggest that he is the major contributor to the Lion’s profile in an historically rugby league state. Really? Not Voss, Lynch, Matthews? Not 3 premierships?
Others see him as the scapegoat for the mid-ladder season the Lions are experiencing, adding that when they were roaring, his comments were ok.
I’m unconvinced that Aka has been hard done by. He is well paid by the Lions and they are his employer. Sure, Aka may have taken under market rates for a player of his ability to have a crack at an historic threepeat, but didn’t he sign the contract? Surely, with that, comes the employer / employee relationship that now exists between him and the Lions.
Scratch my head as I might, I cannot think of any employer tolerating public criticism of their company’s approach, a la Aka’s criticism of Leigh Matthews’ tactics against Geelong in round 1.
And try suggesting via a website you sponsor, that your CEO is a f***wit who cannot do their job, or tell your employer via a public forum that you are only a 5% chance to be there next year, and see how long you last.
That’s what Aka’s done. Yet people suggest that because he had opportunities to develop media interests were part of his contract the comments had to come.
That’s nonsense.
Anyone who works in the media will tell you there are plenty of angles for stories each week that provide opportunity for comment without damaging your own, especially your boss.
Let’s look at Aka's media commitments differently. The opportunity to pursue his media interests has given Aka a considerable head start towards post retirement income over his current peers.
Neither Simon Black, Clark Keating, nor Mal Michael, or Chris Johnson, all as three time premiership winners, has that opportunity. They don't bleat about it. They simply honour the relationship they have with their club and respect the chance and support it gave them.
So what’s this really about? Is it Aka’s recognition need? Is it acceptance he desires? Or is he looking to position himself in Melbourne for a better crack at media work when he retires, for that's the place to be if you really want the big AFL opportunities? Who knows?
To me this is about a bigger cause. It’s about a club that will be here long after Aka, Voss and all the current players are gone. It’s about giving the exciting new crop of youngsters at the Lions the message that the club is only ever as good as the sum of its parts and for that to happen, everyone must sing from the same song sheet.
"All for one and one for all, we will answer to the call, go Lions, Brisbane Lions…" These are words that Aka must have sung with his team mates close to two hundred times in the rooms after great victories, including that fabulous hat-trick of flags.
It’s sad when once profitable relationships break down. But even sadder is the thought that while Aka stood arm in arm, singing with his team mates who shared the journey, he paid scant regard to those words and what they really mean.

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

What a complete bunch of bleeding heart drivel :(

Aker was to AFL football in Queensland what Wally Lewis was to Rugby League in Queensland. The lemmings will not rest until they have hounded him out of the game in a similar manner to what they did to "King Wally".

Fortunately many true Lions supporters will never forget the thrills Acker was instrumental in helping to provide them with.

[Grimreepah]

What a complete bunch of bleeding heart drivel :(


Oh the irony:rolleyes:

[John]

What a complete bunch of bleeding heart drivel :(

Aker was to AFL football in Queensland what Wally Lewis was to Rugby League in Queensland. The lemmings will not rest until they have hounded him out of the game in a similar manner to what they did to "King Wally".

Fortunately many true Lions supporters will never forget the thrills Acker was instrumental in helping to provide them with.

Bleeding heart drivel? And you posted that homo erotic ode to aker?.
HWAAAHHHWAAAHHHWAAAHHHWAAAHHHWAAAHH

[John]

How about this Jimmy.

Goodbye and I choke
I try to walk away and I stumble
Though I try to hide it, it's clear
My world crumbles when you are not near

You p:Dsted that.

Deadset mate y:Du claim n:Dt to be a tr:Dll. I agree your a c:Dmedian.

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Bleeding heart drivel? And you posted that homo erotic ode to aker?.
HWAAAHHHWAAAHHHWAAAHHHWAAAHHHWAAAHH
And lemming like you are doing a great job in elevating Acker to martyr status. Keep up the vitriol boys :D

At this phrenetic rate I can see a bronze statue of Acker being erected outside the Gabba by 2010 :p

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

How about this Jimmy.

Goodbye and I choke
I try to walk away and I stumble
Though I try to hide it, it's clear
My world crumbles when you are not near

You p:Dsted that.

Deadset mate y:Du claim n:Dt to be a tr:Dll. I agree your a c:Dmedian.

Never heard of Macy Gray. Classical music fan are you John?

[irel]

What a complete bunch of bleeding heart drivel :(

Aker was to AFL football in Queensland what Wally Lewis was to Rugby League in Queensland. The lemmings will not rest until they have hounded him out of the game in a similar manner to what they did to "King Wally".

Fortunately many true Lions supporters will never forget the thrills Acker was instrumental in helping to provide them with.

Jimmy boy, the Tigers have expressed an interest in your "Poster Boy Aker".
You never know you may yet get an opportunity to gaze longingly into Aker's eyes and recite your poem.

Hello as I choke
I try to walk foward and I stumble
Though I try to hide it, it's clear
My world crumbles when you are near

...and you call our supporters' posts "complete bunch of bleeding heart drivel"

[John]

Never heard of Macy Gray. Classical music fan are you John?

Jimmy I am a classical music fan as I am a punk rock fan as I am jazz fan as I am folk fan as I am whatever music you want to mention. Whats your point?

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Jimmy I am a classical music fan as I am a punk rock fan as I am jazz fan as I am folk fan as I am whatever music you want to mention. Whats your point? Now I understand why your senses have been so dulled ;)

[John]

Now I understand why your senses have been so dulled ;)

Chortle Chortle.

As usual Jimmy you can't answer the question. Again I ask what was your point?

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Chortle Chortle.

As usual Jimmy you can't answer the question. Again I ask what was your point? I can but choose not to.

[Lady Lawrence]

Jimmy your first few posts over here were respectful of our posters and our club and you shared your positive thoughts on Aker. It is always good to share things with supporters of other clubs, however you are crossing the line here and I ask that if you cannot refrain from your current style of posting please post on other boards but not our team.

And John, thanks for posting Rick's article. Whether we agree or disagree with his opinion on things it is a well written piece which I think many people if they could have taken the emotion out of their posts would have put forward.

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Jimmy your first few posts over here were respectful of our posters and our club and you shared your positive thoughts on Aker. It is always good to share things with supporters of other clubs, however you are crossing the line here and I ask that if you cannot refrain from your current style of posting please post on other boards but not our team Thanks for the warning Lady Lawrence. I appreciate how well you perform the moderator role on this Board and will respect whatever decisions you make in future.

As I said at the outset I am an unabashed Acker fan. What has happened at the Lions is upsetting for everyone concerned. All I hope for is that when the dust finally settles a proper perspective can be re-established. The Lions, Acker included, have achieved far too much for it all to be permanently tarnished by recent upheavals.

In respect of Lions supporters I elected to stay off this thread a week ago when things were getting very emotional between them. Then someone selectively quoted out of context a part of my post on the "Thank You" thread onto here. Since then I guess I've been trying to get the message "dont crucify Acker" across in my usual subtle way :)

If anyone has been offended I'm sorry. Please dont take it too seriously. It is, after all, only a game.

[beatnik]

What a complete bunch of bleeding heart drivel :(

Aker was to AFL football in Queensland what Wally Lewis was to Rugby League in Queensland. The lemmings will not rest until they have hounded him out of the game in a similar manner to what they did to "King Wally".

Fortunately many true Lions supporters will never forget the thrills Acker was instrumental in helping to provide them with.

jimmy

Ask me to nominate the best twenty AFL goals I have seen over the last decade, and he has probably kicked a quarter of them. He’s someone whose play I have enjoyed and applauded for years. I doubt if I have ever seen a more natural player than Jason Akermanis.

how did that article 'hound' your favourite centrefo...I mean pin-up boy? you need to lay off the crack pipe buddy :rolleyes:

let me suggest a more realistic comparison:

a) Vossy is the King Wally of Qld AFL - end of story (and that comparison flatters Lewis)

b) Aker is the Alfie Langer - an absolute champion player but a larrikin who get into a few spots of bother off the park

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Two points if I may Beatnik.

1) The media is far, far more interested in Aker than any other Lion. Whether this is his fault, or that of the media, is the old "which came first, the chicken or the egg" argument.

2) When it comes to recognition by the general public the first name on everyones lips concerning Queensland Rugby League has always been Wally Lewis, not Alfie Langer. It is not whether they loved him or hated him(with many they did both) but that he stirred the passion within them. The same is true concerning Queensland AFL and Aker. If a poll was taken among Queensland school children asking them who was the most recognised/favourite AFL player I'm sure he would romp in.

[campbell]

They didn't give wally a statue for no reason.
I agree about the Aka thing.living in Rugby League territory as we do. the only person people know in AFL is Aka.Its been the saem for many years though.
You talk about brown or Voss or matthews, they don't know them.Its just the way it is up here I am afraid.
The local school Bushy went to can't even do anything special for him, He was given a rough time for not playing league, and his AFL stuff is irrelevant here.Even at parade after winning the GF. No recogntion locally at all.The towns never had a league player play in the big legue, but it doesn't matter to them.

So we got a long way to go in grabbing the hearts and souls of some local Queenslanders to understanding our game and who plays it.

[kimp]

I really don't understand the relevance to the Aker situation and why he was removed from the club. You don't keep around a disruptive influence in a club just because the person is a media personality. At some stage the club comes first.

[Grimreepah]

Thanks for the warning Lady Lawrence. I appreciate how well you perform the moderator role on this Board and will respect whatever decisions you make in future.

:eek:

That's not what you said to me the other day:p

[Rawhead]

My next door neighbour is a pom, knows absolutely nothing about AFL


He knows who Aker is though.

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

:eek:

That's not what you said to me the other day:p Shhhh Grim, or I'll write you a love poem too :D

[Grimreepah]

Shhhh Grim, or I'll write you a love poem too :D

:eek:

My lips are sealed.

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

:eek:

My lips are sealed. :cool:

[Grimreepah]

:cool:

Not that there's anything wrong with that;):p

[beatnik]

Two points if I may Beatnik.

1) The media is far, far more interested in Aker than any other Lion. Whether this is his fault, or that of the media, is the old "which came first, the chicken or the egg" argument.

2) When it comes to recognition by the general public the first name on everyones lips concerning Queensland Rugby League has always been Wally Lewis, not Alfie Langer. It is not whether they loved him or hated him(with many they did both) but that he stirred the passion within them. The same is true concerning Queensland AFL and Aker. If a poll was taken among Queensland school children asking them who was the most recognised/favourite AFL player I'm sure he would romp in.

i dont want to start another tangent relating to Aker but...

aker is not a patch on Vossy in terms of his standing in the game

same number of brownlows and premierships but vossy has also been club captain for many years and voted by players/coaches as the best player and best captain in AFL many times

besides vossy was an elite player for 3-4 years before Aker finally arrived with a bang!

trust me, Aker might have a bigger recognition factor due to the recent controversy but if you put their careers side by side, I reckon Vossy is Qld's no.1 player by a mile

...and i'm sure if you ran that poll, you'd find that you were wrong :p

[beatnik]

They didn't give wally a statue for no reason.
I agree about the Aka thing.living in Rugby League territory as we do. the only person people know in AFL is Aka.Its been the saem for many years though.
You talk about brown or Voss or matthews, they don't know them.Its just the way it is up here I am afraid.
The local school Bushy went to can't even do anything special for him, He was given a rough time for not playing league, and his AFL stuff is irrelevant here.Even at parade after winning the GF. No recogntion locally at all.The towns never had a league player play in the big legue, but it doesn't matter to them.

So we got a long way to go in grabbing the hearts and souls of some local Queenslanders to understanding our game and who plays it.

thank you for those colourful, if rambling, thoughts on the matter

[philhawk]

Can I just ask guys, despite all thats happened with Aka, will you be glad to see the back of him now? ...

[beatnik]

Can I just ask guys, despite all thats happened with Aka, will you be glad to see the back of him now? ...

nope - not at all

very sad that a favoured son fell out of favour

glad to see an end to the conflict but not to see an end to one of the most gifted AFL footballers to ever pull on a pair of boots

I wish him the best and accept that the Lions/Aker marraige had run his course

when he is not playing against Brisbane, I will cheer him on :D

[campbell]

Says he is off to japan for 2 weeks to climb mt Fuji, still training and coming back for minor shoulder surgery.

[Rawhead]

I'm still hopeful of some kind of reconciliation.


Dont look at me like that, it could happen, I mean, who ever thought John Howard would keep getting re-elected?

[Lady Lawrence]

I'm still hopeful of some kind of reconciliation.


Dont look at me like that, it could happen, I mean, who ever thought John Howard would keep getting re-elected?

I felt the same way for a while but it is NOT going to happen. Would lay my house on that. And I actualy don't think I would want it now either.

Did I just say that out loud!!

I am over the initial emotional reactions and whilst still devastated by all that happened and still have a lot of issues on how it was handled, what was actually said etc etc etc I believe that we can't go back and we are better to move forward without him.

[campbell]

I'm still hopeful of some kind of reconciliation.


Dont look at me like that, it could happen, I mean, who ever thought John Howard would keep getting re-elected?

I suppose whilst he is still on the list their is hope of sorts.

Has anyone seen the schick add on TV.