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year of the roo
29 Jul 2006, 08:01
Cook and Bell have surely cemented their spots in the side now, Panesar continues to impress more than Giles did, Strauss has done what Vaughan never managed - to make runs whilst captain. So what do you think their best side is with no injuries?
For mine:
Strauss (c)
Cook
Collingwood
Pieterson
Bell
Flintoff
G.Jones
Hoggard
Harmison
S.Jones
Panesar
Can't fit in Vaughan, Trescothick or Giles.
usalion
29 Jul 2006, 08:23
Don't think you could bat the Slopster at 3, Also wouldn't move Cook- Tresco just in a little rough patch the last couple Tests. Freddie obviously comes back in when fit, and it hjas to be either the Slopster or Bell to go- even though bell is showing good form with the bat, the Slopster at least gives them good fielding- and probably gets his edge there. Very rough on bell, but's that's the breaks.
No problems on the bowling. Monty has definitely shown some ability this summer, and the other quicks have yet to step up and grab the chance given- maybe Tremlett is next on the chain if Harmisson is gone with his side strain. Stuart Broad also getting talked up.
Don't forget that Gary Pratt has to be 12th man:rolleyes:
Browney2006
29 Jul 2006, 17:45
Cook and Bell have surely cemented their spots in the side now, Panesar continues to impress more than Giles did, Strauss has done what Vaughan never managed - to make runs whilst captain. So what do you think their best side is with no injuries?
For mine:
Strauss (c)
Cook
Collingwood
Pieterson
Bell
Flintoff
G.Jones
Hoggard
Harmison
S.Jones
Panesar
Can't fit in Vaughan, Trescothick or Giles.
I'm not even going to comment on this trash, your an idiot
eddiesmith
29 Jul 2006, 21:16
Trescothick
Strauss
Cook
Pietersen
Collingwood
Bell
Flintoff
Read
Hoggard
Harmison
Panesar
Cassius_Clay
29 Jul 2006, 21:22
your an idiot
It seems you are too.
Browney2006
29 Jul 2006, 21:25
It seems you are too.
Care to add anything or nothing at all? So you wouldn't have Trescothick in the Current England side? What a stupid comment, Trescothick is the best batsmen in that line-up, ridiculous :rolleyes:
usalion
29 Jul 2006, 22:10
Care to add anything or nothing at all? So you wouldn't have Trescothick in the Current England side? What a stupid comment, Trescothick is the best batsmen in that line-up, ridiculous :rolleyes:
Not on this summer's results- Strauss is hitting a nice patch, and both Cook and Bell are doing well. Tresco had his ton in the First test back in May, not much after that. But I can't see breaking up the top four as it is now constituted- that would be sheer madness.
Browney2006
29 Jul 2006, 22:16
Not on this summer's results- Strauss is hitting a nice patch, and both Cook and Bell are doing well. Tresco had his ton in the First test back in May, not much after that. But I can't see breaking up the top four as it is now constituted- that would be sheer madness.
Obviosuely not on this summers results, as i said his career shows that he is our most consistent and best batsmen, dropping him after a few poor innings? ****ing Ridiculous.
Cook and Bell have surely cemented their spots in the side now, Panesar continues to impress more than Giles did, Strauss has done what Vaughan never managed - to make runs whilst captain. So what do you think their best side is with no injuries?
For mine:
Strauss (c)
Cook
Collingwood
Pieterson
Bell
Flintoff
G.Jones
Hoggard
Harmison
S.Jones
Panesar
Can't fit in Vaughan, Trescothick or Giles.
Who cares about England.
year of the roo
30 Jul 2006, 10:24
Trescothick is a hack, always has been, always will be. Terrible technique, very little movement of his feet, and only one shot - that slash through point (again with no movement of the feet). I would drop him in a heart beat, and I am keen to play England at their best. His record in Australia is rubbish too, he is only marginally effective when he plays on pitches that don't do a hell of a lot, ie in the sub-continent. He is England's Ganguly.
year of the roo
30 Jul 2006, 10:26
Who cares about England.
Me and at least 3 others on here. I resisted against making yet another thread about Australia and who should or shouldn't be in it. Given England are touring very soon I thought it was relevant enough and would provoke some discussion.
What do you think England's best side is?
Me and at least 3 others on here.Thats not a great percentage. I resisted against making yet another thread about Australia and who should or shouldn't be in it. Given England are touring very soon I thought it was relevant enough and would provoke some discussion.
Fair enough.But the Australian line up is probably whats of more interest to Australians regardless of the amount of threads made about it.Unless we're talking Australians who think the team is 'boring' or should 'lose' once in a while to keep it interesting.In other words, knobs.
What do you think England's best side is?
I don't know enough about their lesser likes to make a side.But of what I do know I agree with you about Trescothick but disagree with Vaughan.Trescothick should be kept to the ODI's where his regular quickfire 40's and 50's would be of a benefit.Vaughan is the best captain they have.While Flintoff has a good head on his shoulders, he is going to find out in Vaughans absence that there is a lot more involved in captaining a side than being a sometimes gamebreaker.
year of the roo
30 Jul 2006, 12:16
Thats not a great percentage.
How can you draw a percentage from an unknown quantity?
Fair enough.But the Australian line up is probably whats of more interest to Australians regardless of the amount of threads made about it.Unless we're talking Australians who think the team is 'boring' or should 'lose' once in a while to keep it interesting.In other words, knobs.
No doubt, but from my point of view discussion about the Australian side has been done to death and no longer interests me. I'm sure there are plenty out there who will discuss until they are blue in the face though.
I don't know enough about their lesser likes to make a side.But of what I do know I agree with you about Trescothick but disagree with Vaughan.Trescothick should be kept to the ODI's where his regular quickfire 40's and 50's would be of a benefit.Vaughan is the best captain they have.While Flintoff has a good head on his shoulders, he is going to find out in Vaughans absence that there is a lot more involved in captaining a side than being a sometimes gamebreaker.
I think Strauss is their best captain. His ability to make runs whilst in charge is something that previous captains have not been able to do. Vaughan I rate as a captain, but not as a player. His batting record whilst captain was poor and I can't include him in the side in front of the in-form Bell, Cook or Collingwood.
Cooldude
30 Jul 2006, 12:55
While I wouldn't pick Trescothick, the England selectors would
Their best realistic team selection would be:
Strauss (C)
Trescothick
Cook
Pieterson
Flintoff
Bell
Jones
Hoggard
Harmison
S Jones
Monty
Hmmm...IMO this would be a potent lineup if they could get them all fit.
Vaughan
Strauss
Cook
Pietersen
Trescothick
Flintoff
Read
Giles
Hoggard
Jones
Harmison
Ian Bell is very unlucky, but I just reckon (Based on what I saw last time) he suffers from being too nice a guy and not being desperate enough.
Collingwood is 12 man for mine, he does a little bit of everything and tries really hard but just isn't as good as the others(Except for fielding). It's a pity because I really like him as a player. Could almost snag Trescothiks spot.
Giles is probably not as good a bowler as Monty, but provides better fielding, batting and that extra niggle that upsets batsmen. Modern cricket demands you have a certain standard of fielding, and I don't think he has it.
Jones - well ...I don't know how the selectors can keep giving him a go. A wicket keeper has to be able to keep wickets first and foremost. Read is a much better option.
How can you draw a percentage from an unknown quantity?
You said yourself and three others.
Obviosuely not on this summers results, as i said his career shows that he is our most consistent and best batsmen, dropping him after a few poor innings? ****ing Ridiculous.
Mate with all due respect it's not at all outrageous to say that Trescothick might not be part of England's best side.
Since his well documented 'breakdown' in India he's looked a shadow of himself, he made a ton against Sri Lanka when the going was at it's best but aprt from that he hasn't looked at the races.In fact there was a piece in today's Sunday Times saying that they don't reckon he'll go on past the Ashes & WC.
Basically for me if we're naming a best england XI then the key thing is will Simon Jones be fit, as much as it saddens me as along with Cook he's my favourite player, but not only don't I think he'll be back in time for the Ashes but I doubt he'll ever be back as a major threat who can regularly play without breaking down with injury.
If he was raring to go then no doubts he'd be in but as he's not fit at present then i think you have to discount him.
Then you've got the key question, do we play with 6 batsmen & only 4 bowlers like in this current game or go back to our tried & trusted 4 pacemen plus spinner.
I think if Plunkett or Mahmmod are going to play as the 4th quick then i'd rather go with 6 batsmen & leave them both out, there's only one quick bowler who can bat at 8 & so allow us to play 5 bowlers & who's a good enough Bowler & that's Stuart Broad.
So if we're gonna play 4 quicks then this:
Strauss
Cook
Bell
Pietersen
Collingwood
Flintoff
Jones (reluctantly)
Broad
Harmison
Hoggard
Panesar
I can't see them having the balls to go with Broad, it's a bit late now really, he should have played this game instead of Mahmood, to those who've never seen him he's about 6 foot 7 & still growing, pretty quick & he can bat, as you'd expect when your old man is Chris Broad.
So I reckon 6 batsmen is the answer in which case
Trescothick
Strauss
Cook
Pietersen
Collingwood
Bell
Flintoff
Read
Harmison
Hoggard
Panesar
brought in Read as we bat a bit further down & with only 3 quicks Monty is gonna do a lot fo work & it would sap moral to have irongloves screwing up off of him.
Of course depends on the pitches, if it's gonna turn then they're either gonna have to give Pietersen a lot more bowling or maybe find room for Darymple ahead of one of the front line batsmen.
I really can't see either Plunkett or Mahmood being else but cannon fodder down there at their present level of performance so I'd put Anderson ahead of both if he's fit but once again they can't play 4 bowlers out of those lot because the tail would be way too long, the idea that Plunkett can bat at 8 seems ridiculous at present.
Broad would be an inspired selection for the Ashes squad IMO.
year of the roo
31 Jul 2006, 05:26
You said yourself and three others.
No I didn't.
year of the roo
31 Jul 2006, 05:29
Broad would be an inspired selection for the Ashes squad IMO.
He isn't in England's best side yet but I think he will get chosen for the Ashes. He has been super impressive. Certainly looks a better prospect than Mahmood and Plunkett.
England will definitely persist with Geraint Jones. His keeping has improved out of site in recent times. At the moment his batting has tapered off a bit, but once he returns to form and can put it altogether he will be a very valuable part of the England line-up. Read is unlucky.
No I didn't.
They've been pantsed for 17 years.They scraped home to regain the ashes and have been pathetic since.They'll be pantsed in december.Hardly a reason for opposition fans to take an interest.Again, who cares.
year of the roo
31 Jul 2006, 10:52
They've been pantsed for 17 years.They scraped home to regain the ashes and have been pathetic since.They'll be pantsed in december.Hardly a reason for opposition fans to take an interest.Again, who cares.
Well 6 others and me now. If you don't care Mark, you could always stop returning to this thread. Pathetic since the Ashes? An innings and 120 run victory over Pakistan just yesterday isn't too shabby.
Dogboy21
31 Jul 2006, 11:31
1.Gooch
2.Larkins
3.Gatting
4.Hussain
5.Thorpe
6.Hick
7.Irani
8.Russell
9.Cork
10.Caddick
11.Emburey
12th. Illott
Good line up i reckon, and all with a good shout of coming out. I think they all still play FC cricket in the UK...If not then ask for a leave pass from their retirement homes, splash out on some new zimmer frames and get them out here.
rubbers0ul
31 Jul 2006, 20:00
having just returned from London and read about 6 pages of cricket in the sport every day for a week i can assure you that when England play Australia in tests assuming FLINTOFF plays they will field a 5-prong attack.
S.Jones is about 40/60 to play the series while from all reports Vaughan is probably about a 2/98!
Trescothic will be in there no question without Vaughan his leadership knowledge is sooooooooo valuebale. So will Collingwood. If Flintoff plays Bell wont.
So it looks as if it will be:
Trescothick
Strauss
Cook
Pieterson
CW
Flintoff
Read
Hoggard
Harmison
Panesar
????????????? - 4th pace bowler pending to the conditions assuming Jones isnt fit
having just returned from London and read about 6 pages of cricket in the sport every day for a week i can assure you that when England play Australia in tests assuming FLINTOFF plays they will field a 5-prong attack.
S.Jones is about 40/60 to play the series while from all reports Vaughan is probably about a 2/98!
Trescothic will be in there no question without Vaughan his leadership knowledge is sooooooooo valuebale. So will Collingwood. If Flintoff plays Bell wont.
So it looks as if it will be:
Trescothick
Strauss
Cook
Pieterson
CW
Flintoff
Read
Hoggard
Harmison
Panesar
????????????? - 4th pace bowler pending to the conditions assuming Jones isnt fit
Mate they're not gonna play Hoggard at 8, no way.I read all the sports pages too & it's looking more & more like 6 batsmen, 4 bowlers.
The only way it won't be is if Giles gets back & Fletcher sticks him in ahead of Monty, it would be outrageous but he's already started hinting that way.
Ray Nolan
2 Aug 2006, 10:48
If all were fit & in form:
Strauss
Trescothick
Vaughan (c)
Cook
Pietersen
Flintoff
Read
Hoggard
Jones
Harmison
Panesar
12th: Pratt :thumbsu:
Collingwood, Bell & Giles all unlucky.
Given who's likely to be fit come Ashes time:
Strauss
Trescothick
Cook
Pietersen
Collingwood
Flintoff (c)
Read
Hoggard
Harmison
Anderson
Panesar
Bell again very unlucky, Anderson just ahead of Broad & Mahmood based on experience - admittedly not much more but some at least!