View Full Version : Is Hille doing to much work?
Shedmania
2 Aug 2006, 14:20
It is universally excepted that the modern game is creating all sorts of new injury concerns because of the way the game is progressing. AFL football is now pushing the bodies of its participants to the limits of their capabilities. Players bodies are braking down under the pressure of stress related and fatigue related injuries due to the ridiculous amount of yards that are covered now in thet average game.
I was stoked with D. Hille's performance on the weekend. Fantastic. However, is anyone else concerned with the amount of work he is doing around the ground? I mean, the bloke is just about carrying the ruck duties by himself and yet countless times during the game he absolutely rapes himself to push forward to space whenever he can. If a man of his size is doing that week in week out for 100-120 minutes, is anyone else concerned about his body's deterioration?
I find this difficult because there is nothing better than seeing your ruckman work so hard and provide such great run. However, you don't want to see it if he risks breaking down and risking long term injury. Thoughts?
Pevers-Legend
2 Aug 2006, 14:28
No. he's paid to ruck. he should ruck. He siad it himself, he rested up forward a fair bit.
Ruckmen who share the duties too much oftne lose form. Ruckman need to ruck for 80% of the game to be confident and in form.
Philzsay
2 Aug 2006, 14:31
Yes probably, but he has too.
Ryder is too young and raw at the moment.
Laycock is the key. At the moment he is injured too often. If he was able to play for nearly a whole season it would make a huge difference.
I thought the club might have recruited an experienced ruckman last year ala Barnes, Salmon and Allan. Wonder whether they will think about it this year? If Laycock were guaranteed to hold up I don't think we would need to...but that is a big 'If'....
PS I havent forgotten about Cartledge, I just don't see himself forcing his way into the side and there would be a fair chance he may be traded/delisted.
Your're right Laycock is a big key. I do think Hille needs a bit more rest than he got on the weekend, but it was only 1 game, it's not going to happen every week.
The writing is on the wall for Cartledge, he has continously been over looked in favour of Ryder and I would be surprised to see him back next year.
jules101
2 Aug 2006, 15:37
Your're right Laycock is a big key. I do think Hille needs a bit more rest than he got on the weekend, but it was only 1 game, it's not going to happen every week.
The writing is on the wall for Cartledge, he has continously been over looked in favour of Ryder and I would be surprised to see him back next year.
Yeah at the start of the season I said Cartledge needed to make a huge improvement to stay on the list.
However, I would probably give him one more year. Bigger players take longer then the smaller players to adjust to AFL
austinthedog
2 Aug 2006, 15:51
With Lloyd back as captain next year, i think Hille will play a major role in essendons resurgence. He is starting to show glimpses of being a superstar, with his confidence up after last weeks win he will continue to improve
prediction- Hille AA next year:thumbsu:
see i always think this that a full time defender rucks in the back 50 meters, say bradley and they concentrate on tapping it down field, whilst someone in the forward line rucks full time like johns, and concentrates on tapping it onto the little fellas and hille rucks in the middle of the ground. by doing this wouldnt it free him up to play a more CHB/CHF roll in those areas.... just and idea
Longy413
2 Aug 2006, 16:56
Who picks up Bradley's opponent while he's is doing the ruckwork?
play an attacking 1st touch type game, where u play off your man surround the ball and get it out of the backline
Longy413
2 Aug 2006, 17:30
And leave Barry Hall/Warren Tredrea/Jonathan Brown running free?
Big John
2 Aug 2006, 18:38
I thought the club might have recruited an experienced ruckman last year ala Barnes, Salmon and Allan. Wonder whether they will think about it this year? If Laycock were guaranteed to hold up I don't think we would need to...but that is a big 'If'....
There was no point bringing in another experienced ruck this year. Hille has had enough years as apprentice, it was his time to take over. He can handle the main ruck duties himself.
The game he worked hardest in, was his bst game by a long way, so run him ragged.
There was no point bringing in another experienced ruck this year. Hille has had enough years as apprentice, it was his time to take over. He can handle the main ruck duties himself.
The game he worked hardest in, was his bst game by a long way, so run him ragged.
Hird has run himself ragged since 1992.
There was no point bringing in another experienced ruck this year. Hille has had enough years as apprentice, it was his time to take over. He can handle the main ruck duties himself.
The game he worked hardest in, was his bst game by a long way, so run him ragged.
Why dont you try running around all day carrying 100 kgs plus all day, then jump 60 plus times at regular intervals, whilst having someone of equal or similar mass colliding into you all day long. Yeah, work the guy into the ground for at least 30 weeks of the year competitively.
Why dont you try running around all day carrying 100 kgs plus all day, then jump 60 plus times at regular intervals, whilst having someone of equal or similar mass colliding into you all day long. Yeah, work the guy into the ground for at least 30 weeks of the year competitively.
Gives him about 18 weeks to recover- hope he doesn't have a day job.
Gives him about 18 weeks to recover- hope he doesn't have a day job.
There would be noone that could keep up that sort of intensity for weeks on end, let alone for 2 straight hours..not to mention chase your opponent should he be given the slip. Fatigue affects EVERY part of a person, from physically being the most obvious to the mental aspect of performance.
Only needed to read the papers a week ago about jabs in AFL to realise what these blokes go through week in, week out and still be asked to perform at their peak relentlessly.
There would be noone that could keep up that sort of intensity for weeks on end, let alone for 2 straight hours..not to mention chase your opponent should he be given the slip. Fatigue affects EVERY part of a person, from physically being the most obvious to the mental aspect of performance.
Only needed to read the papers a week ago about jabs in AFL to realise what these blokes go through week in, week out and still be asked to perform at their peak relentlessly.
S.Madden didn't complain too much.
Longy413
2 Aug 2006, 20:28
S.Madden didn't complain too much.
Could see that coming.
Footy's changed a bit.
Could see that coming.
Footy's changed a bit.
He asked for it.
Longy413
2 Aug 2006, 20:38
I thought he made a rather valid point.
I thought he made a rather valid point.
Had a good chuckle anyway when you saw it coming Longy !
keepzitreal
2 Aug 2006, 21:04
From what I recall, weeks ago people were complaining that he wasnt rucking enough. Leave him in there and make him work. His been a passenger for far too long and its about time he gives it everything his got. I hope he can keep moving forward and have some consistency next year and make an impact.
He asked for it.
Did I, or did it need to be spelt out to you? Every coach and analyst will agree that with the way footy is going now, we wont see many players have extremely long careers (300+) SO, to expect the biggest bloke in your side to be 'run ragged' with the increased speed and intensity of each contest is ridiculous to say the least...unless you'd be willing to attend Hile's farewell game in less than 5 years time....sure! Lets burn him out as often as possible!
From what I recall, weeks ago people were complaining that he wasnt rucking enough. Leave him in there and make him work. His been a passenger for far too long and its about time he gives it everything his got. I hope he can keep moving forward and have some consistency next year and make an impact.
My argument is he would greatly appreciate some support, so when he isnt being rested (which is a common occurrence with ruckmen during any game), he can have a far greater impact at every contest without having to deal with fatigue.
You manage a player properly, you prolong his career...simple!
Some players are being used as 'impact' players due to this very method of playing them off the bench as they cant keep up with the progressive speed and intensity of the game (Bewick should jog your memory). Short bursts of brilliance instead of painfully watching your favourite son looking lethargic as his opponent evades him too easily.
Theres a test carried out with each player..(hope someone can assist me with its name) whereas a player is tested for measurement of oxygen expenditure during a prolonged periods of duress (excercise). VO2 or something like that. Treadmill running whilst it gradually ascends vertically till the test subject cant run any further.
Did I, or did it need to be spelt out to you? Every coach and analyst will agree that with the way footy is going now, we wont see many players have extremely long careers (300+) SO, to expect the biggest bloke in your side to be 'run ragged' with the increased speed and intensity of each contest is ridiculous to say the least...unless you'd be willing to attend Hile's farewell game in less than 5 years time....sure! Lets burn him out as often as possible!
You could also ask the leviathan himself whether he would prefer to ruck most of the game or part of the game. I suspect he would be greedy. Incidentally, he has already chalked up 6 years and 100 games and is moving very nicely.
Greedy, or wanting to be a lead by example, I think Hille would know his own limits, hopefully anyway
You could also ask the leviathan himself whether he would prefer to ruck most of the game or part of the game. I suspect he would be greedy. Incidentally, he has already chalked up 6 years and 100 games and is moving very nicely.
Im sure he'd know his own limitations...which is besides the point here incidently
greysong
3 Aug 2006, 11:30
i may get pummelled for this suggestion but i'd like to see us pick up michael gardiner in the preseason draft if he's available. would be great having gardiner and hille working in tandem, particular if laycock can't get over his injury woes.
i may get pummelled for this suggestion but i'd like to see us pick up michael gardiner in the preseason draft if he's available. would be great having gardiner and hille working in tandem, particular if laycock can't get over his injury woes.
What if he does and has a good pre-season? Gardiner would be ok I spose since he shouldn't really be in a position to ask for much money, just that a) we've only just gotten rid of all our knobs last years and b) I'd hope there are better players available in the PSD ie. a young promising midfielder
Shedmania
3 Aug 2006, 15:06
Did I, or did it need to be spelt out to you? Every coach and analyst will agree that with the way footy is going now, we wont see many players have extremely long careers (300+) SO, to expect the biggest bloke in your side to be 'run ragged' with the increased speed and intensity of each contest is ridiculous to say the least...unless you'd be willing to attend Hile's farewell game in less than 5 years time....sure! Lets burn him out as often as possible!
Crave, this was the exact point i was trying to make when starting this post. I hope he doesn't burn out in less than 5 years time but i genuinely fear he will. A guy his size moving as well as he did the other night is a fantastic sight for this football club. Our future success is heavily reliant on it. But if he keeps rucking all game, all season by himself the way he did the other night....hmmmm. He needs some help.
Crave, this was the exact point i was trying to make when starting this post. I hope he doesn't burn out in less than 5 years time but i genuinely fear he will. A guy his size moving as well as he did the other night is a fantastic sight for this football club. Our future success is heavily reliant on it. But if he keeps rucking all game, all season by himself the way he did the other night....hmmmm. He needs some help.
Definitely with you on this one :thumbsu:
i may get pummelled for this suggestion but i'd like to see us pick up michael gardiner in the preseason draft if he's available. would be great having gardiner and hille working in tandem, particular if laycock can't get over his injury woes.
Apparently Gardiner played pretty well- we could end up with Akermanis and Gardiner. Perish the thought.
HalfMan-HalfAmazing
9 Aug 2006, 12:52
Definitely with you on this one :thumbsu:
As am I.
Anyone who disagrees is certainly entitled to their opinion, but clearly dont understand much about playing football and/or have never rucked a game. Simple as that.
Sure he can probably put up with rucking 80% of matches this year, while he's still fairly young, but the longer he does it, the shorter his career will get.