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dreamkillers
3 Feb 2002, 14:38
I read with interest in today's paper that the govt is about to introduce new laws in relation to the leaking or receiving of government documents.

Courts will reportedly be able to jail people for up to 2 years for leaking or receiving of government documents without authorisation.

The proposed laws have been blasted for censoring the press. This law means that stories such as the 'Peter Reith phone card scandal' or minister travel rorts would never have come to light.

Some comments from various outlets about the proposed new laws..........

"This is becoming a serious problem, where in the wake of September 11 the community has legitimate fears about security, but government has been acting by bringing in sweeping new powers that are simply going too far.

All governments are fearful of people leaking (information) but that's part of the democratic process, and it is something that we should be upholding and protecting, not something that the government should be cracking down on.

Unfortunately, they talk about espionage but the focus of this legislation is going to be on ordinary public servants who are just trying to do what is in the community's benefit, and they're going to face severe penalties along with anybody that decides to publish the information that they leak.

If the government doesn't fear the information that's being leaked, there shouldn't be a problem but they're going to try and cover their tracks by bringing in these significant penalties, and that's only going to work to the community's detriment.

If the government goes ahead with them, they should contain definitions which limits the penalties to espionage."



Yet at the same time we have our foreign minister speaking out against Zimbabwe's new media laws.......

The federal government condemned Zimbabwe's new media law as a violation of democratic principles by President Robert Mugabe's government.

The new law restricts access to foreign reporters and imposes tight control on local media, with a state appointed commission set up to license journalists.

Mr Downer said the new Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, which passed through the Zimbabwe Parliament on Thursday, further demonstrated the current regime's contempt for democracy.

"Australia condemns the passage of this law, which unfairly limits free speech, prohibits foreign media access and places an even deeper doubt over the chance of a free and fair presidential election on 9-10 March," he said in a statement.


Not that I support what is going on in Zimbabwe but it does appear to be a slight case of hypocrisy by our govt as both laws are designed to limit free speech........

At least our bill will need to go through parliament where the Senate should knock it on the head...........

but one wonders as some headlines have suggested does the "Govt have something to hide".............

Captain Sensible
4 Feb 2002, 08:34
The suprise here is that any of us are suprised.



This is, after all, the least honest, most secretive and most morally (and legally) corrupt government in our history.

They have much to hide from us but never fear their day will come.

Pessimistic
5 Feb 2002, 06:48
They are buying shredders waiting for the big day.

I await with interest the topic of the day that Howard uses in the next election. eg GST, Asylum seekers


Bet your life its not the drug problem, no fear, even though it is probably the biggest problem facing this country.

London Dave
5 Feb 2002, 06:54
There's shredders for sale at the Enron liquidators auction over here. apparently they are quite good at destroying sensitive material!

Bee
5 Feb 2002, 07:03
The scary thing about it is, the new Bill is so broad that it covers "Whistleblowers" who leak information or speak up about corruption in Government departments by ministers, their staff or publis servants in general.
Once again Johnny will convince the gullible of the community that the legislation is to protect the security of Australia. Went in fact it is censoring anyone who has discovered wrong doing within the Government or the Public Service. What ever happened to freedom of speech?

mantis
5 Feb 2002, 07:37
Originally posted by Bee
The scary thing about it is, the new Bill is so broad that it covers "Whistleblowers" who leak information or speak up about corruption in Government departments by ministers, their staff or publis servants in general.
Once again Johnny will convince the gullible of the community that the legislation is to protect the security of Australia. Went in fact it is censoring anyone who has discovered wrong doing within the Government or the Public Service. What ever happened to freedom of speech?

Bee

I am just waiting for little Johnny to grow a tiny moustache, he is sounding more & more like a certain hated man from the second world war. :mad:

London Dave
5 Feb 2002, 07:40
spot on Bee, just been reading up on this. Some intersting press over here latley, which has called Alexander Downer on is double face....cant bag the **** out of Zimbabwe and ignore justifiable criticisms of your own government Ally! This would make the kind of 'whistleblowing' which exposed Peter Reiths telecard fraud etc illegal. And, I hear the govt has tried to ban the press (or sections thereof) from going near Woomera.

dreamkillers
13 Feb 2002, 01:50
Well the fun never seems to stop with little Johnny's elctioneering strategies at the last election.

This latest story about Australia's Spy Agency breaking the rules sounds like it will make very interesting reading if we get to here the full (real) story.

As quoted in the news today

'THE Federal Government has admitted its top-secret defence spying agency broke the rules during the Tampa crisis. News Limited yesterday revealed the Government used phone intercepts from the top-secret Defence Signals Directorate for political purposes during the standoff last August.

Defence Minister Robert Hill last night issued a statement denying any wrongdoing connected with the two unions named in the story.

Senator Hill, however, revealed there had been an "inadvertent error" in DSD's reporting relating to "border protection". The Tampa is not mentioned anywhere in the two-page statement.

"The error did not relate to the Maritime Union of Australia or the International Transport Federation," Senator Hill said.

A senior source close to Cabinet told News Limited the Government monitored and used Australian communications with the ship last August.

Senator Hill's unprecedented statement said DSD did not target the Maritime Union of Australia or the International Transport Federation between August 29 and September 10.

The Tampa picked up its human cargo on August 26.

"The director has advised that DSD did not provide any reporting to the Government on communications from the MUA or the ITF," Senator Hill said.

He said the director also ruled out that any "comments" by the MUA or ITF were "provided" to government. No mention was made of faxes or of material being "shown" to anyone or other communications.

Senator Hill has asked the nation's spying watchdog, Inspector General of Intelligence and Security Bill Blick, to review all the records.

The Opposition said unless the Government came clean on the spying allegations it would lodge a formal complaint with Mr Blick.

"I think it's outrageous. It's un-Australian and it shows that the Government is prepared to stop at nothing," Opposition Leader Simon Crean said.

Greens Senator Bob Brown demanded an independent inquiry.'


Bee - I wholeheartedly agree with your comments - Little Johnny will use anything he can convince the gullible apathetic majority in this country to believe him.

I hope we do see a fully independant inquiry to see what this supposed 'inadvetant error' actually was. Senator Hill's statements only heighten the suspicion of what did occur.

I wonder if this senior source close to cabinet would have made the revelations if the proposed law was in place - sounds like the sort of thing it is designed to prevent.

As for the shredders I'm sure the CLP up here in Darwin would have a few to spare now they have had time to destroy all the documents from their 26 years in power that could possibly in-criminate them.